The New JFK Show #237 Beverly Brunson THE GREAT

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Pandate Michael standing on the first floor watching the parade. Using unprecedented modern day digital computer technology, Larry Rivera presents Scientific Evidence, which in any court of law would exonerate Lee Oswald of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Rivera meticulously takes the reader through the intricacies of digital overlays, which proved that Lee was standing in the book The Pository Doorway while the assassination was taking place, that the backyard photos were cleverly manufactured a frame kill. In how the 3D program blender can recreate Deely Posit was on 22 November 1963, so we can finally determine where GFK was really shot that faithful day. As if this were not enough, Rivera reveals what really happened on Elv Street as recently transcribed interviews with the motorcycle S-Quan officers who were closest to JFK that day, described a here-to-for unknown version of the events that shook our nation to its core and affected the history of the world forever. Don't miss it. Hi, this is Gary King. You're for interested in the book and go to patreonradiobooks.com. at patreonradiobooks.com Hi, this is Gary King. Quick has up all 200 shows deleted by YouTube will soon be available at patreonradiobooks.com. Go there and sign up with our email list and we'll contact you as soon as available. Enjoy the JFK show. Welcome to the JFK show number 237. We call it new because we do new research but we found a picture of one of the original researchers and fellas you know it's a long time ago we had the JFK hoties and you have to admit there's not many hoties in JFK and we won't even bring up ladybirds but we've got Marilyn Monroe, Jackie Kennedy, we've got the lady we talked to. No, just cleverly all of her. Leverly Oliver and we've got a new one. Now you talk about new research. We've got a new hotie in JFK so Larry we're going to turn it over to you and show the first picture that we've ever seen. Well I have to think my good friends you know David Knight Brian Edwards, Casey Quinlan going on to to Jay Gary Shaw who in a way was you know indirectly a mentor of mine who pointed me in the right direction back in the very early 90s and he's now reading my book which to me is you know awesome you know it's such such an honor you know that he would you know buy and start reading my book but as you all know one of the main chapters in the book has to do with a researcher from Baxter Springs Kansas by the name of Beverly Brunson who we have talked about so many times here and we have followed her research and because of Harold Weisberg's site you know where he had a lot of her a lot of the documents stored which had been laying dormant for so many years you know until you know I start to review those documents into read her papers and read her correspondence with Harold Weisberg and unfortunately Harold Weisberg did not see the case the way that she saw it okay and in terms of the photographic evidence being completely tainted you know and I'm going to give you a very good example last week we were talking about the A. Sham cable remember where they were talking about retouching you know the photograph to make it so it doesn't look like Ruby remember guys and and that is so telling because it tells you right there you know that everything you know they were working to create this monster you know of Leozwald being the man who shot Kennedy you know and to railroad him in a way where they would even in falsify obfuscate you know and alter the evidence and you know Beverly said it from the beginning and we're talking about 1967 1968 you know let me ask real quick Larry was on to the touching up of the limousine Larry was on to the touching up of the Oswald photographs she was so just give us a quick recap absolutely Beverly Beverly said it look the all chance six has been altered the Z film has been altered you know she's talked about the blue painted on to the side of the limousine and why shane had been painted out of the Z film you know and we're talking about at a time where she never she hadn't she hadn't even seen the Z film you know what years were these Larry I'm sorry I was making these observations how early I'm talking about 67 68 where she was she was working and she was working she was working based on these still that had been published in Life Magazine you know she wasn't even you know she hadn't even seen the the the film itself you know she was just saying hey you know this just doesn't work out you know and and so you know I'm proud to write magazine and newspaper yeah news and the one commission because the one commission did publish a lot of the frames but in very poor very poor quality and black and white you know it was in Life Magazine you know where they did start to publish them in color okay and without any further ado and I want to thank David and and I want to thank Brian and Kaci and especially take every shot you know and you know this is probably the first time that anybody has presented this and this is this is Queen and Hacadi herself yeah Beverly Brunson we'll take it and we'll work two weeks photograph well it's a it's a year book and I want David to explain a little bit on this go ahead Dave well from what I understand Brian had contacted Gary and said about he was talking about your book and about Beverly Brunson and you know he said we I can't he's he's a photograph guy he gets on the internet and that's what one thing he does a lot of is he will go to several sites and fold down photographs from everywhere and then he analyzes those and sees you know how how some compared to the others and he said I cannot find a photograph of Beverly Brunson and Gary said I've got one I'll send it right to you so I mean it's one of the things where you know the keeper of the of the secrets or the files you know it's nice you know we have researchers like first-year-old research or Jay Gary Shaw they can pull something out you know just by going hey I'm looking for something and here it is so yeah yeah that's got it and let's talk a little bit about her research you know especially you know the no writer which is my all-time favorite which was which was hidden it was covered up you know even in the report the 888 page report where they even dedicated a couple of paragraphs saying oh you know there's some rumors of this motorcycle cop you know driving his motorcycle up the embankment you know and then we go and we look at the and Beverly says oh wait a minute you know what about all these witnesses and what about all these newspaper reports you know so what's going on here you know and and then we keep researching you know and and putting you know things together and we go and look at somehow Holland what he has to say and some Holland you know when he was testifying before the Warren Commission what was the name of the attorney you know who cut him short when he was about to talk about you know this and then it was Mark Lane who who went and he expanded he said well what exactly was it that you were about to say say oh well you know this guy he drove you know the motorcycle up the embankment you know and then after that you know you've got Simmons and you've got even Lee Bowers talking to Mark Lane about the no writer and then and we've did a show and we mentioned this recently Bob Jackson you know and then in an interview with the Sixth Floor Museum and he says oh yeah you know this motorcycle guy you know he wrote up the embankment he let go of the motorcycle motorcycle get gone until it you know flipped over you know I mean did you six floor museum yeah exactly you know it's even fagging of all people interviewing him you know I'm going like wow you know so you know Beverly is the one who brought this and nobody ever talked about it nobody ever wrote about it nobody ever brought it out you know you know this was hidden away when Douglas Jackson when I had you know contact with his son you know he was so freaked out that I was talking about this you know but to me it was pretty obvious that you know he knew about it you know and may I just want to you know shut up you know because I'm so excited about seeing a picture of her you know I love it where are you the scrapes terrific it's coming across the water with her wait I'm gonna tell you right now I hope you wise night in the room the Larry's in love I'm gonna tell you yeah yeah you know and and then you know when and I wrote about this in the book you know what I I termed this about you know the job of an incident you know who of all the researchers that you know and the first generation researchers ever got you know learned into a meeting drug kidnap you know you know I mean you know and and you know and obvious in an obvious situation to shut her up you know Larry did she ever have any contact with Jim Garrison that you know uh no and that's a very interesting very very interesting question Gary I maybe a David David you want to comment because I know you have been researching Beverly now and stuff and you know backs of springs and everything yeah I tell you what and and and reading of course you know the book got it right here my new bible I think I sleep with this damn book but anyway I have not I have not come across you know her connected to Jim Garrison which I find it kind of strange uh that you know at that time when when Garrison is the you know the the only person that brought a case against you anybody in the Kennedy assassination yeah he never talked to her uh I find it odd and I also want to find out more about her story so uh you know thanks to Larry bring her to light I I had never even heard of of Beverly Brunson before and and back to your springs and job on Missouri I mean I was a truck driver for years I drove through those towns all the time and now I told this to Larry I said you know me and Brian and Casey are gonna be working on a documentary about Beverly Brunson's life and thanks to Gary or thanks sorry thanks to Larry bringing her to light a day for for us you know the three of us I said you know she she came along at a time when you know they're just they're she was she was a but she was before her time in research absolutely that's I agree I agree I agree yeah and I said you know we we need to do a story on her because more people need to one by by Larry's book and number two they need to find out her story because she's one of the pioneers in this assassination information and research so and and give her the recognition and and she deserves the recognition absolutely because why do you give us a recap of her life Larry to the extent you're able to recount it well you know she was a poet uh and she was a writer okay and at an early age she went to New York City and lived the Bohemian life you know probably in Greenwich Village you know and all right and give us the years the years here let's see well she graduates I believe in she's a class in Newverson University Missouri I think it's class of 51 I believe she went to the University of Missouri yeah yeah Missouri of course it's not known to be kind of all liberal hippie on clive yeah well you know and and her father uh interesting me enough was the mayor of Baxter Springs for 10 years and then later on he also served not in the House of Representatives in Kansas you know so her family was very well known when I uh I reached the uh Baxter Springs Historical Society and I spoke to this woman by the name of Erleane Spalding and she told me yeah this family was very well known and she sent me some articles about her father Leroy okay and uh so you know little by little you know I was able to gather more information I actually spoke to a second third cousin of hers uh who you know at the time she had terminal cancer you know uh Blana Shanks uh Blana Shanks and and uh I've never been in touch with her after that and she you know she wasn't really she didn't really remember that much about her you know just very you know broad and very you know vague information so that's why there was such a void you know and I remember reading uh in the in the vice-burg uh letters where he actually asked her for a photograph you know I'd like to see a photograph and see what also tell him hey if you ever come by which of tie you know the closest airport you know and we can meet you know for a couple of hours because I've got so much so many things to talk to you about you know and and that was the only relationship that she had you know with uh with researchers you know and vice-burg you know put away all of her stuff you know and so she sent all her stuff to Hyrule Weisberg he didn't really look into it that much until you came along you discovered it and then basically had been confirming her research remember her her health Weisberg took great offense at the very idea that's the pruders film had been altered in fact maybe he got into the wrong girl yeah he did the wrong girl if you know yeah and and not only that uh he was so overwhelmed by researchers across the country yeah sending him stuff that he he would just say hey you know I I can't really do anything with this I'll put it away and it's what's it which is exactly what he told her you know I'm gonna put this away and maybe in the future some kind of cook like me process stuff you know and develop it you know and and make you know heads and tails about you know about what the hell you're talking about here you know and so and and you know that's the way it panned out you know but I want to talk about other things that she brought about okay for example silence weapons okay because as she analyzed his the Z-film not the Z-film but the uh the uh frames she noticed that the reactions of Kennedy and Conley did not add up you know and vis-a-vis the sounds supposed sounds uh that the witnesses were reporting okay because she was putting those two together okay and uh and then so many other things yeah no I mean obviously uh Leozwa on the doorway she was I mean hell bad she was hell bent on that you know she knew it was Leozwa you know in the doorway you know she talked about uh for example streamers and and uh and other um paraphernalia that might have been thrown to divert attention distractions distractions yeah of course which is a fundamental thing when you have this type of operation you know and I know that Brian talked about this you know with uh you know firecrackers and smoke and stuff like that coming from other directions and then you know you've got uh what's really going on you know from from other positions like we have talked about the cup of whole you know and one of my favorite positions which I know that Jim is still you know thinking about you know the uh the storm drain you know but there's so many other things that Beverly talked about in these letters and in these uh papers that she wrote for example uh the third victim okay of the shooting there was and she and all she did was she read you know the DPD uh radio logs and she wrote the testimony she read the testimony and she said wait a minute it's pretty obvious that there was a third victim here you know not just she have came calling but somebody got shot up there up the steps you know and there was blood and then there was an ambulance that was being chased around you know they got lost you know and then there was a nurse at the uh parkland by a name of Bertha Luzano who witnessed this guy come in in a suit his his head was covered you know with uh his suit jacket you know and he was never registered he was never checked in it did blood work on him you know and poof he disappeared you know so what happened to this guy you know what i mean and uh and so many other things you know uh the woman photographed you know the the uh the uh reflections remember shaini we talked about shaini being uh disappearing from the zirprudah film you know and why that would have happened because shaini would have been in the line of fire from a shot from the uh six floor southeast corner of the six four of the of the Texas School of Depository the ballistics would not have worked out area you know and and so many other things you know and it's in the book you know i'm gonna plug it again and thanks to david and and kasey and brine who have been really promoting the book and uh even though it's been a year now that's been out but you know uh i read lara lara you're not he looks don't usually take off right at the start it usually takes a while for them to grow yeah yeah you're you're picking up plenty of momentum don't don't you worry about that yeah and i think this is one of the key chapters you know everyone thinks that book should be an instant best seller the weekends out and i had this information he got it getting me yeah and uh you know and again you know uh if if she was so crazy if she was so out there why did the joplin incident happen you know and i mean it's so obvious to me you know and uh and uh that her male with a widespread was being and it was so incredible incredible about this Gary david and jim is that after the joplin incident all of her research stopped right there never i mean finito it's done you know nothing after that was done you know as far as jfk and she lived a recluse life you know with her partner partner margipson uh and uh that was it she never did any any research and that is why the case of Beverly is so mysterious to me it's so attracting you know as far as the fk i don't think of any researcher who has this mystique okay around tell us again Larry what brought her research to in a abrupt halt well she uh she gets approached you know by some people uh to meet uh to compare notes on research you know and she lived in back so spring joplin was i think about an eight or nine or ten mile uh david can correct me if i'm wrong you know uh you know drive away and uh and you know and she meets up with uh this young couple uh one was a very young thin slender girl with a very short haircut and stuff you know and they lure her to this bar and they wanted to talk about jfk stuff they wanted to see some of her documents and whatever and then after they go to this bar and she never drank she didn't drink okay so after she the the the next thing she she uh she uh knows you know it's like two or three hours later and she's been you know uh she's been in an accident and an ambulance is there you know and she's bleeding she's got a big nod on her on her forehead you know and the cops are there you know and they tell her that she's been driving like a maniac you know uh hitting cars running red lights she must have been drug larry this stuff like you have an LSD or something and that's exactly what she talks about on the letters you said you know uh they must have slipped something in my drink yeah they were trying to kill her for her research she was too good absolutely and that's exactly you know the way you know and and in the book you know i don't really you know what i do in the book i just give you the documents you know hey read the documents and make up your mind you know i give a little bit of you know opinions and stuff you know but you know uh i think the documents speak for themselves too you know this is where larry really documents don't speak for themselves you have to speak for them you do i do but i'm talking about the letters between she and and widespread that's that's what i'm talking about right after that is when the research stopped when they drove to right right right right and from what i understand you know she got the message for Christ sake they were gonna kill her yeah yeah would you say about all this stuff man what part is that larry what year did the incident occur 1968 68 yeah 68 and and i think it's come common with the garrison thing i think i think i think jim what they were trying to maybe in a way and this is like a hypothesis of mine that they didn't want her to get and that's why i you know i i agree with gary said you know that uh to together with garrison have her maybe join that team you know and hey you know work with garrison to uh you know i miss you know well why but hey i know i know you're ready to uh explode there come on talk to me well i tell you what i'd like to i'd like to interject here i mean the the research it's in the book uh in and in the jfk horseman i tell you what if if she would have continued she was i mean like i said earlier she was ahead of her time for her research if if the if the eastern didn't happen and she would have continued uh she was on she was on point in her research and for what i've read in in the the documents that larry puts in the book and then what i've been going through looking on the white spurg site picking apart all the other documents that are on there if she would have continued research and i think she would have made a hell of a dent in this and that's probably why the instant happened was because they knew she was you know she was like a dog with bones she wasn't gonna let this go yeah and unfortunately you know it just and like larry said it's mysterious to just she just stopped researching and you know there was no more correspondence between her and wasperg and i'm just like we we lost a you know we lost a a faucet of you know information that was pouring out of her that you know what have helped us out in this case years and years and years ago yes she was just as dangerous as i would also mention that when uh Vince slander read because i sent him this as a paper before i published the book you know and Vince uh you know came back to me i said you know what the hell how come this didn't happen to me you know uh i said well you know you were good but you know she was a better you know so but yeah you know uh so many so many so much information there and i want to say this that there's only i think uh 31 and 32 files there but there is such a trove of information you know and the Brunson papers which i have to say you know i have to uh you know call those you know the Brunson papers uh and uh there's so much information there that you know probably researchers are still gonna you know be interpreting them you know for for a long long time uh well she was a true genius i mean it's amazing very that she would be so discerning and so early on i mean and and they obviously told her she could continue her her research and die or discontinue it and live i mean that was the this junction those were the option yeah yeah i agree you know and uh you know there uh there's you know there's a point here where she has to make that decision you know uh you know i think i'm in deep water here you know i'm taking on the deep state you know and i'm not like Jim Garrison you know what did she die and of what caused just natural causes in in the year 2000 you know everybody's that uh i think 79 73 i think 73 or something like that and she married that children never never never never never never she just uh she was with her partner Mary Mary Gibson uh she never married you know and uh she lived like uh the reckless life you know and uh and the uh secluded part of town i believe uh uh Erlene's falling told me that uh they had this big uh rot iron gate that uh looked like uh some like a cemetery or something like that there's something that you would see in a cemetery you know and there was always clothes you know i mean which adds to the mystique of uh you know of uh Ms. Brunson you know and uh but you know again you know i think uh the main tell us about her parents i'm interested in her genetics you know what led her to be so perceptive and analytic you know what pain I was saying that her her father was the mayor of back to spring they were they were the academic or intellectual right yeah oh yes oh yeah and uh and her uh she was a salutatorian there in uh salutatorian there in the uh yearbook of uh of her uh high school you know which is what uh was sent to me you know by David and uh and again you know uh the mystique you know the mystery you know of Beverly to me to me is is really fascinating it just fascinated me you know and uh the stuff you know that she put out the papers if you read them when you read them and you analyze them and you see that she she referenced everything you know she i mean there's nothing that she would write that you could not go and corroborate you know with documents you know she would say oh but it says this and this and this and this and the one more in commission you know when uh she's talking about Kellerman you know and i and i wrote about this you know in the book when he's talking about Kellerman talking about an upshot into the vehicle you know and she said wait a minute this means that the headshot came from down below you know and here's Kellerman talking about it and she sites the whole thing you know and and you know and and like i said i was talking about the the no writer you know she went and she picked the part you know that that concept you know she went and she talked about Simmons, Wilborn, Johnson, uh uh uh uh SM Holland you know and on and on and on you know and for these witnesses we're not even uh they're not even testified before the war in commission you know and then you go and you look at and she talks about all but the other papers were replete you know with information about a no writer you know and and then she uh talked about how this no writer was being hidden away you know by Dallas you know and which is exactly what happened Douglas Jackson you know it was being it's constantly completely nobody wanted they did not want anybody to come and talk to Douglas Jackson you know and now we know what you know then we look at the at the uh newcom tapes and what Douglas Jackson had to say there when he talks about five agents you know dismounted the Queen Mary surrounded the vehicle the Jeff K Limmo with Gunstron you know you don't see that in this particular film he talks about Douglas Jackson talks about the Z film being all cut up it's been edited you know and it's all in in the uh in the newcom tapes you know so it it confirms you know uh Beverly's uh uh research and you know i'm just so happy to have seen this picture you know i guess you pick up and add further to what Larry's been saved well i tell you what um reading through the book and finding all the information and the nuggets of information that Larry's put in there and as a researcher myself i'm setting there going okay there's so much information that i didn't know about and thanks to his book i found it uh and we me and Brian we just got back from Dallas we went down there last Sunday evening while we got down their Monday morning and we went down to do field work uh information um you know we met up with um um jay gary Shaw and also um um god my my brain locked sorry it'll go back Brian Brian well we went down there to uh to do research and stuff and i'm looking at now i'm getting a chance to actually take i took Larry's book with me and i'm going through and i'm looking at stuff and i'm seeing you know what he's what he's got in there photographs and even 56 years later i'm sitting there replaying what i read in the book now i'm standing down there i'm looking at him i go okay there is and i went straight to the uh what we talked about in the last episode i was on i'm going back and i'm doing measurements with the laser finder to find out exactly what the yardage was you know we looked at uh where the no writer was i'm just i'm sitting there and i'm i'm i'm being able to piece together the missing pieces i feel and it's because of Larry's book i got that David David why don't you why don't you tell Jim about the abon uh uh slides and what you found and what you showed us you know with the uh uh uh the virtual reality uh oh yeah absolutely uh we uh we got a copy of the original bond slides and i took uh i took the bond slides i hadn't digitized and then i took and put those on my cell phone dropping into a vr viewer and what's nice about is you can view it 2d i mean it's right up in your face but you can also make it in 360 so when you put the when you put the goggles on and you're looking at a 2d photograph you're able to look down up left right completely all the way around you and you're seeing things that just pop well i want you to take down on the photographs and we can um just temporarily we can put it back up i want to keep going well what we're this is leading Jim is because uh and i know that you have this in your presentations remember the bell uh slide that shows those tie tracks going up the uh uh yeah that's what that's where he's going with this yeah you know i know that i know that i'm just saying visually we can see each other better if you take down the Beverly photograph down there there there we go uh but yeah being able to being able to take the the photographs and the slides from 1963 and seeing them in today's technology we're seeing things we've never seen before uh it's one thing to look at it in a photograph on a slide on a projector or on your computer screen but being able to see it in uh in virtual reality right you literally just inches from your eyeball you're able to pick out so many better things that you haven't been able to see before and you see those tie-in tracks pop out in the bond slides that you're sitting there you're going okay well i've seen those but your eyes never really pay attention to it until you see it in reality and when i started having people at the conference that we were at an only they they got a chance to see it and to visualize it they were just blown away they're like i've never seen the i've seen these slides several times but i've never seen them in this in this uh in this avenue of of seeing them in this new format they're not in this new film yeah and i i took the i took this app reader film and i've been looking at that also and i sent Larry a video just recently uh of the uh much more film and there's a gentleman that uh put a video up it's been up for four years and there was only seventeen people that saw it before i did and i'm sitting there going okay it's been up for for years and nobody's paid attention to this but they take the uh film and they put a red filter and then a green filter and you see the tail lights you know plane is day come up on the on the x100 limousine and then when you see clinhill get off the limo and run to uh or the follow car run to the limo his leg literally disappears and then reappears i don't know anywhere in human history that people's legs can de-materialize and rematerialize this isn't doctor who this is not science fiction so i'm a fascination so i the things that we got a chance to do this weekend and uh this past week in Dallas i hadn't got a chance to tell Larry just yet but we went to the Dallas public library by the way david why don't you prepare to do a whole show about that i mean that's really good yeah absolutely Jim i'd be i'd be more than happy to um well i i was going to tell you that uh for i wanted to get this out there because we met with uh Christine Charbro she's the manager at that library on the seventh floor and it's the one on young street at uh 15 15 young street in Dallas, Texas they have things that we have never seen never knew they even had uh during the ruby trial they didn't let photographers in the courtroom they only had sketch artists they have they have murals basically these sands are like basically four foot by five foot drawings that we have never seen before they had first generation photographs uh they had the the times herald on microfiche i mean they had just they brought out we were only there for probably four and a half almost five hours and we didn't see a tenth of what they have so we're going to be going back down again uh real soon and just spend a couple days just at the library to see what they have and everything that they have you can take photographs of some things we can scan in and we're going to be putting that on the website uh it's just a plethora of information that you know it's a it's i kind of feel it's almost like an untabbed resource you know it's it's kind of like going to a miniature national archives so but the nice part about is is they're they're easier people to deal with down there yeah hey you never know you might even find some photographs there uh you know showing Lee uh you know outside the depository you know uh yeah you know you never know well the the stuff that they have i mean i told her i said well we're gonna we're definitely going to be putting this information out i said because you know visitors have come down to do research i said they need to come here and see what you have how we we even got a chance to see one of the block charters of the Declaration of Independence it's on display at that library uh when we got there they they just brought it in by armored truck and you you would not figure going to the Dallas Public Library you're gonna see that piece of history in person you know i'm just i we we were all amazed about going going down there and seeing everything but yeah it's uh it was it was a great field trip force so well it says like Larry's book is proving to be a road map what's important in Dele Plaza and Dallas generally in fact i mean you know i love it it is and i just remember Betty Windsor i i i apologize for not remembering her name earlier but we went down and met up with Betty Windsor and she went to the library with us and she was kind of a guide into the times herald stuff because her husband worked at the times herald and it was nice to take her with us and kind of get a little bit of a of a history lesson from her for what we were looking at at the library so yeah i got to give kudos to Betty for for joining us on that trip you know uh not that you mentioned the times herald uh i want to i want to and i talk about this i wrote about this in the book uh the times herald and and the Dallas Morning News were mortal enemies okay so when i when i wrote about you know what what's going on with the allchins you know uh and this whole scenario of getting you know the best photographs you know on the wire you know before anybody else you know that really happened you know and uh and uh specifically when i when i questioned the timing of the allchins six photograph uh being uh transmitted one oh three p.m. that day which is impossible it's just a physical impossibility Jim and Gary and David you know as a calibration and as a benchmark mechanism i used a photograph taken at Love Field which shows jack jackie and connolly and that's famous uh photograph where connolly is frowning you know and jackie's got the roses in there you know and they're right outside the the plane and everything you know and how long it took for that photograph photograph to be shown on television that day it took about two hours two and a half hours you know so that's that's the great means of calibrating you know you know the how long it would take to get a photograph on you know uh developed you know uh crop you know this and that you know the screening process you know the zinc plates and everything that i described in the book you know which thanks to uh uh Roy Schaefer you know who was an expert and who was very knowledgeable you know and you know uh in the process uh and how long that photograph in particular took to be shown on national television and we're talking about it was taken around maybe 11 o'clock in the morning and it doesn't show up on tv until maybe two thirty so how in the hell does the allchins six photograph get shown it's transmitted at one oh three when allchins was in db Plaza for you know at least 20 minutes then he supposedly goes to a phone booth you know finds a phone he calls you know it just didn't happen that way you know you guys right now they were making up a story to account for missing time yeah time stamp and the time stamp that is shown in the transmission has been obviously falsified you know and well think of how many ways they try to argue that there it wasn't possible that these films or or photographs could have been altered because those i have Thompson to moralize these arguments it was the absurd right and then and then uh Cronkite does not show the allchins six and seven until six thirty four p.m. Eastern that day that night you know and it does not start to show up you know on late editions of the of the East Coast papers you know until that night they you know at the same time that uh you know it was being distributed now I you know and if you have to understand that you know at the time the uh a wire photo would be sent you know and distributed in a certain manner okay it would not it was not sent individually to every newspaper was sent to a hub from there that you had multiple lines and went to other hubs you know and that's how it got distributed okay and and the the auction six photograph you know does not show up in which it uh uh canzes you know at two thirty in the afternoon no way okay just it's just no way you know to be able to be delivered in newspapers you know at four o'clock or three o'clock in the afternoon you know I'm sorry well you know they actually reprinted some newspapers I mean it was Ralph who discovered that they put out new editions so they could put the auldgings in it in a fake copy of yeah original edition yeah that that was a really stunning find of Ralph yeah yeah well yeah they had you know different versions you know of the covers you know and uh you know so you know this whole uh this you know we all put it in the context you know that you know the story as it develops you know and as chronic and ABC and NBC you know they disseminate the news as it's coming out of Dallas you know for example and we talked about this previously with David uh and the rifles you know the first report of the rifles was an enfield and a mauser and then it doesn't morph into a manlica in a carcano until you know late at afternoon you know all right next day it was the next day you know yeah because even in even at midnight they were still classified as a uh as a mauser yeah and I'm saying they're going the next the next day they finally come out say oh guess what it was a carcano yeah it was a mauser it would have been a very appropriate weapon for uh the sex use of the manlica for a carcano no one would have had yeah yeah but then David wrote a known as the humanitarian rifle in world war two for never actually harming anyone on purpose yeah and then David wrote the whole thing about the frontal shot you know with the the Henry you know the 5.5 you know that we did the other day the armolite AR5 that's right yeah the armolite AR5 yeah yeah so you know at the beginning you know all this all this information is coming out for example prongkite okay and you know the first thing that comes out of his mouth he says and the secret servicemen you know being so efficient in their job you know found out in the crowd looking for the assassin where did that come from you know right you know where did that into the crowd looking for the assassin yeah looking for the assassin you know that's what really happened because that's what Jackson wrote in his manuscript and that's what that was Jackson said you know in the tapes you know and and by the way talking about Douglas Jackson the manuscript you know and I was and I'm glad that we talked about this and only that Douglas Jackson the he was the only motorcycle escort who was asked to write write an account of what happened that night that day and night okay and he turns it in you know and it somehow it ends up with with a district attorney Henry Wade and Henry Wade has has a clerk type it up okay and Henry Wade after he returns the manuscript sends the manuscript to Harold Weisberg okay and not too many people know about the relationship that Henry Wade and Harold Weisberg had everybody thinks that Henry Wade you know it was so gone ho on Leoswell being guilty but in the context of Dallas in 1963 you have to understand the pressure that he was under you know and that later on you know he developed you know this relationship with Harold Weisberg where he actually helped he'll Weisberg in his research and he helped Harold Weisberg get documents out of Dallas you know and not too many people know about this you know so that's how Harold Weisberg gets his hands on Douglas Jackson's manuscript you know and it's so telling me and by the way David it's in those it's in that pen drive that I that I sent you but and you'll see it and all that's fun there there and when I was in touch with Douglas Jackson's son he said to me oh you know I have my by the way I have my dad's original manuscript in his own handwriting and I'm thinking about giving it to the Sixth Form Museum I see that's it really are you kidding me you know nobody it will ever see that you know if you do that and he said yeah well what should I do with it I said well you know I don't care what you do with it because I already have a copy of it thanks to you know Henry Wade who you know did this this that with Harold Weisberg I know what's in it and there was a a book by the written by the a guy by the name of Jim Bolts who was would have been a sergeant I believe or Lieutenant in the DPD and he wrote a book a manuscript it wasn't published but it was circulated around you know about the Dallas Police Department and their views you know about what really happened that day and especially about the McLean thing you know the McLean take a big the belt you know and he cited a lot of the information that was contained in that manuscript and he never even mentioned Douglas Jackson so he had a copy he was given a copy of that you know Jim B.O.W. L.E.S. okay if you guys so anyway you know I'm going off on a tangent here but this ball you know he actually had his hands on Douglas Jackson manuscript you know which was such a rare commodity you know at the time and I was able to get it you know from the Weisberg site and I don't know exactly you know if it was under Henry Wade or whatever but I did get the and I and that's when Douglas Jackson Jr. said to me you know I have it you know what should I do with it and I say well you know I don't care what you do with it you know I already have a copy of it you know see but you know Larry the reality of what actually happened is so much more interesting even fascinating than the fairy tales I mean it's just ridiculous the dicker dick deeper you dig the more interesting it becomes yeah yeah it's like I say the documents are out there you know and in the new documents there's a lot of new stuff you know and which we have been able to dig up you know and interpret and stuff you know you just got to you know you know and and I'm so glad to you know meet up with David and Brian and Casey you know now and that we're at another level you know research you know and which is really really good what's going? Yeah I have to play this for everyone oh oh by the way Gary I you know I have to say the JFK Horseman one and two are still number one they are we're gonna get those up real quick all right so here we're talking about the Malikur or Karno yeah go for it hit play yeah all I messed up hang on I'll find it you cut it out yeah yeah you share it boom the boss said it is a Mauser and pointed to the 7.65 Mauser stamp on the belt there's an information to that state you could it should mean something well the shells were found came from the 6.5 I tell you that back yeah we have seen got to down to one of the same packages they sent the hierarchical documents we have made already found on these southeast shrubs it came from the 6.5 I tell you The Dallas PD were clowns. They had the task of framing us while they did a fist for a gentleman. The lacers have the department of the Rainbow That's a great compilation. Boy, it just goes to show you even back then. We had to fake dooms and stuff. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you're absolutely right. That's very good news. I'm for New Year's and the Association of President Kennedy. It was not a major association with President but we were most of the yesterday and today. But an Italian man or a little bit of tempo. And with that, you've been the Italian town of Coachaco. Yeah. Two solid days. Yeah. Every one of those clowns, every one of them was. It's right there. I mean, if that doesn't do it for you, I don't know what does. You know, well, I went back and watched. I've got the it's either six or nine hours from the NBC shows. And NBC was recording it. They went from a 30 out six to a British infield 30 30. And I'm just sitting there going, OK, you have you have three rifles. You know, you've got the mouse or you've got the 30 30 and you then you end up with the 303 British infield. Not a damn one of those is, you know, linked to Oswald. And I just it really I'm sitting back and I'm looking at this. I'm like, I know you guys are getting this stuff off the AP wire. But you know, who the hell is riding the narrative here? Because it sure isn't, you know, what's going on on the ground in in in Deley Plaza. But the infield does get linked to our new friend, Buell. Lesson. Freshly Frazier. That's right. Exactly right. Now look, we're talking down Texas here. They can figure out what gun is what then take two days. And so I was saying, you know what? Man, we've been blowing it for two solid days. It was really a man like Ergurkana. Well, even even Henry Wade at midnight was calling it a male. Or he was calling it a a Malzer weapon, you know. And I was sitting there on a K. Wade's getting his information from Dallas PD. You've got all the stuff that's in the book on trail the assassin's. I think it's page 113 and they're coming back going, you know, it's a it's a 7.65 Malzer. It just, you know, you look at the narrative. They were trying to set up, you know, they look this way here. They couldn't get one. They had a backup plan. Yeah, yeah. Are you ready to always got a backup plan? No, plan, plan, they don't work go to plan B's. Love it. And and talking about Wade, I think that he was thrown into a very difficult situation, you know, where he had to keep all the parties, you know, satisfied yet he didn't know what was going on. He knew that there was a lot of information coming in about multiple shooters. He knew, you know, what Hoover was doing to the Dallas police department, you know, putting all this pressure on them, you know, hey, you know, you guys, you know, need to, you know, give it up, you know, we're going to take over, you know, and he's, you know, and then he's, he's got this situation where there's also, I don't know, any of you guys have ever heard this that way, he even talked about that he had been. I think in the river basin there in Dallas, you know, and he had been there and he target practicing or something like that, he saw these guys target practicing, you know, and he even talks about this in some of the, one of the letters, you know, to widespread, you know, which I thought was very, you know, very strange, you know, but Wade was a very, very key figure in this whole thing because he was trying to keep a lot of people happy, a lot of people satisfied, you know, yeah, he's been pulled in so many different directions, you know, and so I would not want to have been in his shoes. All right, this has been one of the most lively conversation we've ever had on the show. You and David have done a terrific job, Gary, am I right that the time has come? Yeah, I think we should call it there. It's been a good show. So all right, so David, get a little PowerPoint together. We're going to have another show with some information. Well, it's not just a PowerPoint because we want to see, you know, we'll watch the film and talk about all the points David was making. Larry, this was just riveting really good, really fast. I think it starts to be up. Yeah, Beverly, yes, yes, yes. I loved it. I loved it. You know, I was, you know, very, like I said, you know, this is the first time I see a picture of her, you know, I've been researching her for what six years now, you know, and it's part of the book and she needs to, you know, when you talk about Sylvia Mar, you know, and I'm not going to say Mary Farrow, you know, but Sylvia Mar, you know, and you talk about Shirley Martin, Lily Castelanos, you know, all these early first generation researchers, I believe that she needs to be up there with them, you know, clearly, clearly she was in class of her own, my goodness. She's got a genius. She had a genius for this Larry. We're going to have to talk about this more. Larry, you want to take us out? No, I want to thank Gary. I'm very, okay. All right. Don't forget, he was Beverly Bronson saying this, he film was altered and it was leading the doorway. That's right. Seven. So black up. The no writer, Gary, the no writer. The writer and brilliant, the limousine, so many things. Black up, come on, come on over to the true side. We'll see you next week with JFK 238. We'll see you next time. In Dallas, Texas, three shots were fired at President Kennedy's motor case. That's what we were told. Most Americans never believed Leoswald was the lone gunman for excellent reasons. In fact, there were at least six shooters who fired from eight to ten shots or more who identified here. We have finally the solution to the greatest murder mystery in history laid out for the world to see proof after a proof after a proof. Photos were fake, the body was changed, X-rays were altered, the whole movies were fixed. 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