Chris Pawley Manchester

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I know in my last video I mentioned that we're going to look at the different people from the Queen's visit, but the research is taking far too long because there's a lot of elements to it that I'm trying to find all the information out in order to put it into a video. So for now I want to focus on this guy just for a moment, it's a guy called Chris Pauli. I find Chris's story really interesting because he's effectively another Zack Bruce. He's somebody who left early and then ended up filming something which then the news went on to use. So just like Zack Chris went to do an interview with an American news station Fox News. There's a 10 minute interview which I'm going to play in a second, but the interesting part to take on board is that he left early. He wasn't that far away from the blast once it went off, but the biggest thing that he says is that there was two blasts. Now I'm eventually going to do a video about the amount of people that said that they heard two blasts because I think it's very significant because it adds an extra element to the story that there's obviously something else going on because there's not just one or two people that are saying it, there's lots of people saying it, and in this case Chris is also saying it. Now what's interesting is that he also did an interview with an Australian station and then he's backtracking on that and says that it was definitely only one. So of course somebody had must have told him that he's got his lines wrong there, so it's backtracking on it. But in any case let's play the Fox interview first. A witness, someone who was there, it's a man called Chris Polly, he was on the scene, he shot video of what he saw. Thankfully he and his friends escaped the scene without being injured. Here's part of what he shot right there. Are we assuming this is Chris you on the line? Yeah, yeah, I'm here. What are we looking at? Is this the lobby? Yeah, so that was actually in the station. So as we was coming out the arena just before Ariana finished the long song to try and beat the rush. We come out a few minutes early. We could just out of where the box office is situated in the arena and then you go into the train station as we get to the top of the steps. We heard the biggest explosion and it was literally about 20 meters from where we were stood. Everyone started panicking. We initially thought it was a terrorist attack because that's just what you think because of what's going on. We ran down the stairs and then started to head for the door. Before we got to the door we hesitated because of past things what we'd seen. We thought we did not set a bomb off and then we had to people to rush so we stopped and then as we stopped we got told to leave. The tan ice was going off. People were screaming and shouting. It was the worst experience ever. So you heard one explosion. We're hearing reports there are multiple explosions but you say there was one. We heard what we was actually in the building when one went off and then as we left that's when the second explosion must have taken a place. Once we got rid of it and left the building and we just ran to the car. He's describing the second blast. He's not talking about the controlled one that happened an hour and a half after. He's talking about one that happens soon after the first one. Like didn't stop running. Is there any security between any security checkpoint between when you get off the train underneath the arena and the area where the bomb apparently went off the lot ago? The similarities between this and Zach Bruce interview. It's exactly the same sort of format whereby they're asking the questions to what happened and then they dropped a security question in there purposely so that this person openly admits that there was no security on which from people who won't understand the layout there wouldn't be security there. It's a public area is to try and get across the lack of security was the reason why this happened which isn't quite the case to push for more security. This would be the best way to do it. No. Even going into the into the concert tonight. I've been to concerts before and we get sometimes you get paid down and get to 20 pockets. There was absolutely nothing at this concert tonight. We just literally got our tickets scanned and was straight in. But this is going into the concerts of these not security whatsoever on the outside rather where the explosion took place. So anybody could have brought anything into where the bomb went off? Yeah, anyone as we left because there was so many young children in there and teenagers and as we in the fire where the explosion took place as I would walk you through a set of a partner. There was lots of parents stood there and I said look at them all wearing for the kids because I'd never seen it like that before like so many people. So obviously they was waiting for the children to come out. So they would be the people rather than the people because 20 seconds later and was walking to the steps when it went off. Now this is another important thing to remember is that his story is based on him leaving early. He goes through the fire, he sees adults waiting for kids waiting for the gig to finish. So he's left early, the gig has not finished. So when the bomb has gone off nobody has left at this point which is why you've got primarily adults that are involved in this. So the only people that would be caught in the blast children-wise will be people who also left early. Thank you for your time. Thank you Christ so it's the parents waiting for their kids to come out of the concert as parents do at things like this. Standing outside waiting for it to be over and then the bomb goes off and then the parents, some of them ran inside the building. Yeah it was just chaos and the train station where we was and then as we left the phones were working because we were trying to ring our friends to see if they was okay because they were still inside at this point and there was just panic and chaos. So the cell phone service was down? Yeah you couldn't ring anybody. Whilst I haven't come across anybody who corroborates that sort of story, there are people that have said that they were trying to ring the loved ones and couldn't get hold of them. So whether that's because of what he's just said where the signal was down then that's revealing. Especially if you remember from my Crisis Management seminar video where the fellow who was doing the seminar was talking about how the police will purposely turn off the phone signal in a particular radius on the assumption that if a second bomb was to go off and if it was done remotely, turning off the mobile and that work would be a way around it. But the thing is that they've turned it off before they've even arrived so they can only do that with four knowledge. Did you see anyone injured? I didn't see anyone injured nor I think if we would have left 30 seconds later we would have been caught right up in it. So really just a further confirmation there they left early and if they'd left 30 seconds earlier than that they would have been in the blast. So therefore the concept must have still been going on at the time. So they're looking. There are certainly aren't there there were reports that this might have been a suicide bombing and I certainly don't want to pass those on without evidence but a number of British publications are reporting that did you hear from any other witnesses that is possibly true. No, I've just literally watching the news now and they've only just started using the word terrorist and stuff so before that they were just saying an incident and then it went to serious incident and then fair tell it is and now they're saying it's a terrorist attack. I don't know whether it's just. We don't know that either authorities are calling it a terrorist investigation that appears to be the operating assumption and of course it would be you said it was your first thought. Is this something that you worry about in Manchester? I mean I did my partner left me because I always say like when we go shopping and stuff I always just like look around for exits and stuff just because it's in the back of my mind I don't know just must be the person I saw I am and he always left me all the time and as we were going as we were nearly in the car away from it all that was what I said to him I said say what do I always say to you and you laugh at me and look what's happened now. Yeah, I think it's in a lot of our minds with what's going on in the world. What did he say when you said that to him? He's still shook up now is here and it weren't like a told yourself and it was just because we're just two school boys just all sorts going through your mind. I'm just glad we're okay boys. I'm not breaking when that people have died it's it's making it make it feel even like when we come away we didn't know that anyone had died or we didn't know if it was so it could be didn't know if it was an accident or something so now we know in that people have died and someone's done it intentionally it's just making the whole situation a lot more worse. Are there any you live in Manchester? Have you gotten a sense that there was something like this coming recently? Was there talk of terror? Was there any kind of unrest political unrest religious unrest? You got no sense of it at all. No, no, so obviously just what the reason the news and took but nothing in Manchester it's normally London isn't it? Yes. So the focus is on you always think of London as a place where something like this like this happens. How quickly did authorities get to the scene? Very fast very fast as soon as we'd exit the building it was police cars there sirens. I mean that is quick I mean bear in mind that he leaves early and he's runaway because of the blast and his video shows him running outside and he's saying that the police were there and you've got to remember that the police said they got the first phone call of it at 1033 so he would have been well out of the building by that point. And then we ran to the car at Soljukodere and then as we're driving away I hope the Lord will live just a little bit. The Lord's still in Manchester and there must have been about six police vehicles driving about 80 miles per hour heading for the city centre. So yeah the police responded really fast. Are there checkpoints at public events typically in Manchester when people gather for a concert is there a metal detector or any kind of pat down typically as always in London? No we never have any metal detectors we only have them in airports. And pat down like I said they have been to a concert before and they've done it once or twice but more often than not these not you don't get pat down or anything and definitely on this one we didn't get any checks whatsoever. Yeah. You said there were a lot of kids at the concert. By that you mean teenagers and what percentage of the people would you say you saw there were young people from about eight right up to 16 and that was a majority of the people children because the people with them was parents taking to them like where I was at. Now maybe I'm reading this a bit too much but he's asked the question is to how young the kids were at this particular gig and he has said from eight to 16 that's very specifically said eight because ultimately we're going to find out that what the youngest girl who died in this was eight rather than saying they were really young and when right through up to teen ages he's very specific with the numbers. Now that could just be lucky guess but like I said it's just something that I found interesting I went just to give you some bearing he was sitting in 102 at the time. Twenty seats all around me it was old children with just a parent with them like three and four kids and just one parent accompanying them and then there was two young girls sat next to me who was there they must have been about 13. So whoever did this whatever whatever it was done this they've known that it's a concert what what's more specific. So there was no doubt that this was a concert with children at it lots of children a million percent and whatever's happened or whoever's done it would have known that it's bad enough people dying anywhere but then when you bring children into it he's just. What does this make you think why do you think this happened. I don't know I just just confused that why anybody would want to do this to to anyone. I just I haven't got any was anyone you said there was panic after the bomb went off and of course there would be. Do you think it was hurt in the panic. No one was hurt because I was in front of the explosion so the people behind me would have would have been the people. I got injured but obviously I already got running as fast as I could by that point so I didn't see anyone injured. Were people yelling. Yeah screaming there was women crying and stuff. But I think people learn trying to get through on the phones you know trying to get hold of the kids and crying because they couldn't. You're describing something that's really awful worse even than I thought it was when we first went to the story and I'm glad you're okay and I'm glad you're able to tell us about what you saw because it's it's horrifying. Thank you. Chris, thanks for joining us tonight. So there we have a story and of course we're always skeptical when people who have been involved in these things one of the first things they do is going front of new stations. So a 10 minute interview with Fox News is a bit of a red flag the moment after he's just got home in order to do that is that really the first thing you're going to be doing. But if you look on his Twitter and he's got the video there that I'm talking about and like I say the news used and the BBC actually asked them as to what term the explosion was and he says that he took the video to 31 minutes past 10. So the explosion was at half 10. Well that's obviously not correct and in order for him to get into this area the bomb must have been before 22 31 which again it can't be because they're saying that that is the official time. So as I say Chris then went on to do an interview with an Australian news station so we'll listen to that version as well and just to let you know that Chris does one half of it and then another fellow called Gary he ends up doing it sort of the ending of it. But what's interesting about this is that because Chris backtracks on the amount of blasts that he says in this interview and Gary who you're going to listen to he confirms that there were two blasts which like I say leads us into this question of was it one or was it two. I want to check on this horrible incident Manchester police have confirmed several deaths we don't know how many are under ground it was performing there was a loud blast of some kind. Des and injuries but no details on why witnesses reported a huge bang. It's really huge bang Chris Paulie was one of the people at the concert it was actually leaving as the explosion hit Chris Paulie are you okay. Yeah yeah okay we're on the actual club how were you when it happened. Literally we were about 20 years from it we just we left the concert just before Ariana finished her last songs or we didn't get all the crowds of the concerts in the car and we're crossing the bridge like a bridge over the stations come down with steps and just as we're at the top of the steps we heard the biggest fight we've ever heard everyone just started screaming part of the kid we run down with staff. It was about to even then head to about we think because we thought you know just like what you hear on the news about terrorism was just about terrorism and we're now trying to repost. So just to let you know the bridge that goes over the train station that he's talking about is a fets over the catwalk and that leads you towards the Zach Bruce video so he's talking about there. And then the ton I should tell everyone so to X there and then like there was some security something told us to check out with the stations we just left out and because it's just a panic you probably see it on the video. Was it one or two explosions you heard. We deserved one definitely just one. Was there a panic crimping? So there it is it's the change of story it's now definitely just one yet in his fox interview it was two. It would be fascinating to know as to why he now is absolutely confident that it was only one and of course I can only speculate and I believe that if he's done the fox interview someone has watched it, vetted it, realized that he said something that is not going to go with the official story and he's been told next time you do an interview you will definitely confirm it's only one. You understand the world. Massive, massive panic happened people was crying and as we come out we were eating up there was like all parents stood there waiting for the kids to get in the market in there so they were stood as well as were the explosion what the man couldn't saw. How many, how big is the stadium? I have a lot of people, how many food? I think it's about 20, 26,000 and it was sold out. If Wikipedia is anything to go by which channel you shouldn't really trust it as a source it actually suggests that the capacity is 21,000 at the arena but at the particular gig there was actually only 14,000 people there so it's a bit of an over exaggeration on that part. Sorry it was big, a lot of kids in there so that's one where it now is. Obviously it's not about anyone's died but you know one of the red children have died. Well we haven't heard any detail here yet have you heard anything else about the injuries or deaths? Now this interview is a bit like the fox news interview he's only just got home when he's talking to this guy so he knows details that have yet to be released officially so he's talking about children have died. Well he can only know that if he'd seen it but he didn't because he'd left early everybody in the fire was still just waiting there so how does he know children have died? It's not that the comfort and the people I've died and a lot of people have injured so great much have to please have comfort and love now. I suppose we don't know yet but I imagine the food may well be an accident but the first thing that went through your mind would be terrorism wouldn't it? Fear, fear, fear. People are so much like when we've started running just before the concert the doors would stop because just what you've seen in the past is only sat a bomb off and then get people out of the running awareness or this or that's just what we've all. Yeah, Chris just saying on from moment you might want to hear this Gary Norman is also on the line from Manchester he was inside as you were at so he was at the concert. Gary Norman are you okay? So we won't hear now from Chris in the remaining of this interview but we'll listen to Gary anyway because he talks about the second blast which is important because that's going to lead us on to you know a future video. So really we're not going to scrutinize Gary too much because he's inside the arena and he's just talking about him and his experiences is evacuating so yeah listen to what he's got to say. Yeah, I'm just a little bit to talk about all. I wonder what did you see what did you hear? So I was on the TV and I was expecting the old stand up on the exit building and I was waiting to get out of the building which had loud explosion but it didn't come out of it that says the moon was dropped from the ceiling. Now this is the problem with journalism. He's within that first sort of sentence he's already gone and described a completely different version of events to Chris. He's saying that the gig had finished the lights have come on. He's then about to get a stand up and go and then a blast has happened whereas in Chris's version he's left early. The gig hasn't finished by at this point and a bomb has gone off so he's telling the correct story the person in the arena or the person outside the arena. So we're sorry I'm just saying that but it's okay. It's okay. We're waiting anytime. We've seen people running back into the arena because of that almost it was mainly for a children. We're getting a car, obviously. We eventually got out of the building and people start panicking again because we had a little respiration so we'll match this book at the door because the crowd was too big. So there we go we've got the mention of the second blast. We've got out of the building and people just falling over each person out there. Parents crying for their children. The victims of cars and then we're off the high run. I've got to test. I don't really know what happens. I've got work. No I can just imagine the panic on the parents outside with the kids inside. How old were we talking about that? What very young or ten years old? I said I wasn't going to screw tonight's Gary too much but he has also just been asked the question about how old the children were and he has specifically said eight as being the starting range of these kids. Again seems really specific especially when we know that the youngest person who died was eight. I shouldn't have good security at the concerts that usually is. Yeah well even the topic of the first couple of panicked soldiers make no difference. Look I can hear you very upset you make sure you look after yourself. It's a terrifying thing to go through. Any sense of what it could have been would you expect accident now or not? I'm not too sure because the sound came from the back of the room. People say to know that people had thrown them from the building from off the shore. You sort of initially it could have been one of the balloons in retrospect. You think it was balloons or not? Well I'm hoping it was for you taking a little bit of care of that people as well. Thank you Gary. Take care of yourself. Gary Norman from Manchester was inside the concert before that Chris Paulie who was just outside by minutes. At some like there has simply been balloons, experiments, some sort of new vise around the balloons. If you've got people killed and the police say there are people dead. Okay so there we go we've got Chris with an inconsistent story and again our comparators at Bruce because it's got very similarities to it. But who is Chris exactly? Well a quick search of Chris will show you that in 2013 he was convicted of dealing drugs. And this wasn't his first time either. It says that he's had four offences on record. And from reading the whole article it seems he got off quite lightly with it. He got a suspended sentence. And then interestingly there's an article that came out a month before the Arianna Grande concert. And by pure coincidence it features Chris. So here it is you've got the mirror talking about Chris being a convicted drug dealer. His business now is to buy tickets and sell them at extortion at prices. The article doesn't go into much detail about Chris. It's all about ticket tell, it's extorting everybody. And it was sort of flavor of the month for a little while. So it's interesting that it features Chris in this. And here's the company that he effectively does his trading under. Now there's no website for this particular company. There's nothing to it at all. It's just simply a front for obviously what he's doing. Now there's nothing illegal about buying tickets and then selling them on. It's just frowned upon at the moment and certainly it's a form of extortion. Which for a guy who's a previous drug dealer extortion is going to be nothing to him. So three days after the actual event itself you've got here on his Facebook that he's going to buy himself a very expensive car. Now I don't know who Gary is but I've seen his name on other people's Facebook posts. And he seems to be on point with what he's talking about. So well done to Gary for this but he's quite right. He's obviously sniffing something's not right with this. And he's also asking him the question how he's managed to get his hands on such an expensive car. Now he's either done it one of two ways. Either one he's being paid for his role in the stories that he's telling through the news or it's through his extortion of ticket sales. So in any case it's two degree ill gone gains. Now one thing that fascinates me really is the similarities between this event and the Orlando Night Club event because a lot of the people that were involved in that had criminal records. So you can imagine that the leverage that the authorities would have over that person say if this whatever he's done maybe he was caught doing the ticket talent thing and he was going to be thrown away or he was threatened in some way and the only way to get around that was to participate in this which is why he features so prominently. Then finally it's interesting on Chris's Twitter feed that Martin's brother Matt tweets out saying that his brother is missing if anybody's seen him to let him know and that Chris out of everybody all 14,000, 21,000, 26,000 people, however many people were there, Chris is the one that says that he's seen him twice. Now what are the odds that you would spot this guy? Recognize him to the point where you've memorized it, you know, not just somebody you bumped into or passed whilst walking away and that he recognizes him to the point that he's then gone, yes I saw him twice. They must have then direct message each other because the conversation just ends there so who knows what was actually discussed thereafter. The thing is is you've got to remember the term in his interviews Chris says that he was surrounded by children, there were so many kids there and near him and he said that there was something like 20 seats all around him that was just children. So he's obviously seen Martin somewhere else and as I say to recognize him to the point that he's seen him on his Twitter feed and he's gone, oh yeah I saw him twice. I just can't buy it especially along with all the previous stuff where just by chance it, you know, he happens to be the guy who does a film that the news use, he's on Fox News, he's obviously been in the mirror, you know, this is not just a normal person we're talking about, this is somebody who's been focused on a lot. And once again, it always comes back to, if we don't believe Chris's story, then who's to say that we believe him about seeing Martin at it? Well thanks very much again for watching, I'll get back to trying to get dig out some more stuff to do with the Queen's visit. Thanks.