Was Sandy Hook Based on the Dunblane Massacre?

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Evil visited us yesterday and we don't know why we don't understand it and I guess we never will. Evil visited this community today and it's too early to speak of recovery. Good evening. It is a tragedy without precedent. A crazed gunman bursts into a primary school class in Dunblane and kills or wounds almost every child and the one teacher present. In just three minutes 16 children are dead, 13 are wounded and the man has killed himself. Tonight the parents are having to formally identify the children they have lost. Not one of whom was older than six. We'll try to explain what happened and ask why and what we can do about it. Lannex the news was broken about the children and teacher who'd been killed. It's really to talk about only to him, kinetic and the similarities that the narrative has to the Dunblane Masker. I would also like to just say that the Dunblane Masker was not a hoax. I was born and raised in Central Scotland and I lived a few miles away that day and how do I know it wasn't a hoax? Well a few reasons but the main one was my father who was the chief press photographer for the biggest newspaper in Central Scotland at the time. He was assigned to the Masker on the Wednesday the 13th of March 1996 like all the other journalists and he was a witness to the dead bodies of the children being taken to the morgue at Falkirk Royal Infirmary. He witnessed some of the wounded children and adults that were taken to the same hospital. There were three hospitals involved in the Dunblane massacre, Sterling Royal Infirmary, Falkirk Royal Infirmary and the Royal Hospital for Sick Kids in Glasgow. There were four ambulance services which include Falkirk calendar, Sterling and again Glasgow and there were two morgue, because there are mortgary as you may know them. One was at Sterling Royal Infirmary where eventually all the children ended up and one was at Falkirk Royal Infirmary. Children ended up at Sterling Royal Infirmary, mortgary or morgue as we know it here because that's where the parents were taken to identify the bodies of their children unlike Newtown, Connecticut who were shown polaroid photographs of their children which is just mental if you ask me. You can investigate that for yourself it's well documented but furthermore a new one of the children that died and I still currently know the father of that child. I also knew of Thomas Hamilton and his reputation because of his involvement in this subsequent dismissal from the scout movement. Again my father was a scout leader during the 70s and 80s but there were many members of my family that were involved in the scout movement and the cub movement as it was known then. So if anybody would be able to tell you about Dumbly not being a hoax it will have to be me because nobody talks about it in Scotland it's just a cultural way of dealing with a huge event like that or an atrocity like that. It's a way of dealing with trauma, a cultural way you know we're not like Americans we don't talk about things certainly not right away you know that as far as I know there are very few parents that have spoken out about Dumblyne there's two that I know of actually that have been interviewed on television for example and it took them five years to do so and one of them it was 10 years so not 48 hours like some of the parents in Newtown, Connecticut. So it's I mean it's difficult for me to make a video like this because of the memories of that day and I guess I'm just asking for a wee bit respect in the comments please. The purpose of the video is not really a bright Dumblyne it's to offer a perspective on a real event as opposed to a hoax event. A hoax event whose narrative I believe was plucked directly from the Dumblyne massacre at the time Dumblyne which is like they say city of Dumblyne but it's really a village I mean it's tiny. Was the biggest school shooter prior to 2012? Prior to Sandy Hook so haven't said that I've done a lot of research into Dumblyne and I have my doubts about the official story. A lot of doubts I do believe it was likely to have been a false flag with Tomas Hamilton the alleged perpetrator as the perfect patsy and you will see exactly why as this video unfolds few people witnessed Tomas Hamilton's supposed precision shooting of the children because when he or whoever entered the gymnasium that day they shot the adults first. One teacher died instantly and the other two adults a PE teacher and a teaching assistant who were shot and wounded immediately made their way to an open plan store cupboard with some of the children. They waited there and they were bleeding and they were out of sight while the shots were fired for a duration of about three and a half minutes and most of the deceased children were shot more than once which beggars belief in a Hamilton did have firearms and he was part of a gun club but he was not known to be very good you know he was not not known to be a precision shooter and Hamilton himself was shot at least twice with two exit wins in his head these are documented in his course mortem and how anybody puts a gun in their mouth and shoots himself through the skull from two different angles twice I will never know. Anyway I'll touch on that a bit in the video and leave links in the description to my sources there are a lot of similarities between Dumb Lane and the events of Port Arthur in Australia not least because Port Arthur happened just four to six days after Dumb Lane with a similar outcome new laws on gun control by 1997 there was a total ban on handguns in the UK and like Port Arthur there was a voluntary armist shortly after the massacre and here in the UK it was mostly pellet guns or air rifles as they are known because we just didn't have a gun culture basically at least not not a legal gun culture we had a hunting gun culture and you know the ordinary person could buy a pellet gun to kill a pigeon or a cat but that was kind of it you know I'm pretty sure that the US looked a bit Dumb Lane and thought of the outcome so mainly the gun laws and constructed Sandihoot with the same narrative and hoping for a similar outcome I'll not be showing any footage of the event in new town Connecticut here because I've just had my second copyright strike from the Disc Honor Network Penny Lawsna but I'm sure that those Sandi researchers out there who have delved into that subject a lot deeper than I have will see a lot more than I do and it's really what I'm hoping for that you'll see a kind of blueprint a kind of event that came before that I'm sure the US government thought would work so with Sandihoot and new town Connecticut in our minds let's have a look at Dumb Lane he came to the door just bang the door right open and from the moment he approached the adults first and he walked towards me and started shooting and I never stopped for the next three minutes the half minutes of Carnage he was carrying 743 rounds of ammunition school had a roll of about 700 pupils so there was enough ammunition there to kill every single person in that school what happened there at Sandihoot Elementary in new town is sadly so similar to what happened in a small town a long way away from here in Scotland almost 17 years ago the people there more than most know what new town is going through and what may lie ahead for them tonight NBC's Kier Simmons reports from the town of Dumb Lane in Dumb Lane tonight they are lighting candles for the children of new town and for their own 16 children ages five and six and their elementary school teacher killed in 1996 by a heavily armed government who then killed himself the security and innocence of a Scottish village was shattered in the most horrifying fashion the local priest found himself burying children he had baptized it fell on one man to bury many of those children I baptized some of these children I married some of these parents my senior Robert Weiss of St. Rose of Lima presided over eight of the funerals Dumb Lane like new town is a tight knit community everybody knows each other here and even after almost 17 years many are reticent to talk about what happened it is still that painful Mick North lost his daughter Sophie we've found that we could say things in front of the other families that we just couldn't say even to our closest friends even to our closest relatives for 20 years parents trusted Thomas Hamilton with the care of their children for almost as long society entrusted him with lethal weapons of destruction in 10 minutes last Wednesday the two worlds of Thomas Hamilton collided and left Dumb Lane with a terrible loss people in Dumb Lane pay their respects to the victims of Thomas Hamilton's last moments of madness it had started as an ordinary week in the life of a Scottish community by Wednesday Dumb Lane had seen one of the worst mass murders in British history of 16 children and their teacher 10 survivors still lie in hospital tonight the small cathedral city is suffering a loss almost too deep to endure but why when use broke of the murders in Dumb Lane the identity of the culprit soon spread the perpetrator was not some unknown killer from the shadows Thomas Hamilton was familiar to many in Dumb Lane and in a wider world people who had met Hamilton didn't easily forget him i just thought he was a very sleazy character he came over with a very soft voice so i didn't think that he'd be violent at all violence didn't come into my way of thinking to me he was more a a type of chap who would be touching up young boys i think he just made my flesh keep i felt very very uncomfortable and it's not something i normally do the first clues to Hamilton's tortured mind emerge here at his boyhood home in sterling five mile south of Dumb Lane his beginnings were surrounded by confusion his father left his mother before he was born for years he believed that his mother was his sister and that his grandmother was his mother as a young man Hamilton was already seeking ways of being around young boys in later years more and more questions would be asked about this interest just yards from Hamilton's childhood home is the local scout hall at 21 he joined the organization as an assistant scout leader with a sterling scout group an opportunity arose late in 1973 when a new scout group was opened in Bannockburden and i thought this would be an opportunity for Tom to realize his full potential as a leader during my occasional visits to the tube to see how he and the boys were progressing some evenings the program was very well but his scout career was abruptly ended by two disastrous mountaineering expeditions involving young boys they had slept in an open van in the month of March in the Scottish Highlands for the weather can change with the nearest I felt it was a desperate action and that had these boys whose clothing was by this time wet slept overnight in the bike of a transit van and if once again the temperatures had plummeted then I think we would afford a crisis on our hunt I was so upset that I did not ask him for an explanation I just asked him for his warmth and that was the finish of Tommy Harbourn's of ours I was concerned Hamilton never forgot his dismissal from the scouts but he found new ways of gathering boys around him ways that authority found almost impossible to police a cross central Scotland Hamilton set up a web of self-appointed boys groups clubs he ran under grand sounding names he had no qualifications to run them one such club was in done blame in 1983 Hamilton's right to hire council premises was revoked after boys of nine and ten started making allegations against him I think it was nice not to do the things he was doing with them and to them and at the same time he kept on digging couplets some nights of photographs the the youngsters felt very unhappy about this very uncomfortable and there was some allegations of touching Hamilton fought his case right up to the local government ombudsman and won back his club and his access to boys his success set a pattern of parents voicing concerns but unsure how to pursue them of authorities unable to turn those concerns into hard evidence and of fair minded people who felt that Hamilton deserve the benefit of the doubt when rumours beset him for getting back to the storyline to one of the things we've not spoken about is the profile of the shooter his name was Tom's Hamilton correct can you just give us a thumbnail more or less of how he was portrayed either accurately or otherwise by the media well actually I do think the media portrayal of him was probably pretty accurate he was a very shady disgusting character really he was a known pedophile he at the time of committing the massacre if indeed he did commit massacre he was 43 years old and he lived in small flats in sterling with unemployed but basically he seemed to make a reasonable income out of well I believe this selling images of children he ran endless boys club every night at the week boys of a particular age boys of a particular size you know he wouldn't even have it wouldn't have boys in each club he wouldn't have tall boys in each club he had very specific favorite boys he photographed them and he the woman thousands of negative and photographs found in his house but I actually believe that most of the really incriminating ones were seized by the police on the day and there were definitely police in his house within about an hour of the massacre happening photographers who have been to take my photograph for anything to do with the book and told me you know we were there on the day the police moved into that house very quickly and he was undoubtedly a supply-out child pornography and had a lot of connections with a lot of people and he was a well-known he was quite the opposite lived in a dingy little flat and yet he had lots of male visitors well dressed men arriving in large flashy cars every day I went to see his neighbours before I left them laying to speak to them about about this and the aspects of Thomas Hamilton's life because it was a very closely confined little street and because we would all know he does business and this is Oglesy who gave evidence that the inquiry I mean she told me quite categorically Thomas Hamilton's male visitors continued coming right up until the day before the massacre whereas every man that was called to give evidence of the inquiry you know either the acquaintance as they call Corby's cells and acquaintance with Thomas Hamilton they all claimed to have seen him for about six weeks to two months but this Oglesy told me that was just nonsense I mean he he wasn't a loner broad-colon certainly tried to portray him as a loner and the media did that where I think it fits in with other gunnuckers that they have that's how they have to portray these men but Thomas Hamilton had you the probably weren't friends that you and I might think of people as friends but he was certainly connected to an awful lot of people because he was supplying service and we have to remember he was probably most active in the supply and the child pornography in the pre-internet era where you know demand it was so great but he I mean he was just everybody's friend everybody wants every pedophile in Scotland wanted to know Thomas Hamilton you they've had primary ones coming in and I could hear them in the assembly singing away their hymns as I prepared because there was a big class they were a particularly beautiful class actually they were gorgeous children they were lots of different individuals so they weren't I wouldn't say they were totally easy class they knew what they wanted to do and they had strong wills and they were very bright intelligent alert enthusiastic and put all that mix into the melting pot and you've got quite a handful of children at some point they would have changed into their their gym clothes before going to assembly from assembly they went straight into the gym at the uphaz nine no one is entirely clear which route he used but it was probably through a side door he then went to the assembly hall where the assembly had finished five minutes before and one shot was fired he then moved round to the gym which was next door to the assembly hall enter the gym and immediately started firing first at the adults and then the children it was a few minutes after 9.30 a class of excited five and six adults was starting a session in the gym the police took the first call soon after half past nine moments later heavily armed officers went in this all began just after 9.30 eastern time this morning at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut they went straight into the gym at the uphaz nine it was a few minutes after 9.30 the police took the first call soon after half past nine this all began just after 9.30 eastern time this morning so we just started the warm up and and that's when it happened literally I would say about five minutes into the lesson I was quite near the door and he came to the door a glass door just banged the door right open and then the moment he approached the adults first and he walked towards me and started shooting I managed to react to my arms up which is what I did so that's why I was put shot through the arms okay you said you have a bunch of adults with you including one that was shot one two three six of us there's six of you that in one was shot twice twice is she bleeding badly or she breathing badly how are you she's breathing she's breathing okay just just stay with me please we have somebody on the way you were in the meeting okay and going and Natalie French well and vice French well when I was talking right back in seven shot twice just make sure that Natalie's okay but you can are you near her one of the teachers is not okay she's not okay she's breathing bad okay she can okay she can talk she can talk so she's breathing okay that's good that's good can they give direct pressure to where she's injured can can somebody put direct pressure on her wounds okay let's try to do that okay can you put direct pressure tell them there's going to be a way that they can put direct pressure on her wounds we're going to get medical attention to her as soon as possible somebody take a jacket off or rip a sweater just something to put as a bandage on her where is she shot all right is she is she still bleeding pretty bad do you guys have her do you have anything put on her anything like that to try to still the bleeding does anybody have does anybody can you direct pressure on Natalie she's okay she's okay um and um from then on in it was rapid fire shooting and killing instantly instantly because the after returned from me turned to go in who was sitting at a bench at the back of the gym and then the other adult who was a teacher helper and it was also shot and then he targeted the children at very close range in the classroom closest to the gym a group of 11 year olds was settling down to a maths lesson we hear bangs basically first of all you're thinking is this just somebody dropping something or somebody playing around with things but you couldn't believe it first that would be a somebody shooting it a loud bang we thought that something fell and we heard another and then he thought that was a gun shot we hear bangs basically it's not a loud bang is this just somebody dropping something or somebody playing around with things we thought that something fell he always had it in the back of your mind that it could be but it's not the first thing that came to mind and then just after a couple of minutes of hearing we're thinking it's continuing on so long that this is more and more likely that that was what it was gunfire and very sad that was a gun shot I knew that there was people dead yes yes oh yeah instantly oh yeah to the side there was a huge storage area where all the larger equipment and that's etc were kept and I somehow managed to realize that that's where we had to make our way to for some shelter and that's what some of us managed to do a group of children, Mary and myself and covered in the floor. Next Hamilton turned his attention to the primary 7-plus opposite. Our first reaction when he did come out of the 5-X it was I think it came naturally to us to hit the ground because he's going to be shooting through the windows get down on the floor but it was the first thing the teacher said we couldn't get to ground. Hamilton fired nine rounds through the classroom windows missing Stephen and his classmates by just a few feet. When we were first shot at through the windows you could hear obviously the glass and there was glass all over the floor at that point that that was the main problem we know okay the bullets had come into the classroom but there was so much more glass coming towards you you were thinking strike keep it keep it the way of it and hide. What happens in that situation where you're in a lay threatening situation is some of your senses clamp down it's some become so heightened and my sense of hearing was so heightened I was aware I couldn't actually see him or where he was and what he was doing and I was trying to be proactive and think about how we could protect ourselves and what we could do in that situation. The echo of the gym and the gym had a terrible echo anyway but it was repeatedly the close shots of Fisk on going off. That was trying to be aware of where he was in the gym that's I was trying to do. We resisted at the top of the gym as he coming our way just trying to be aware not I really could do anything about it but just trying to be aware of where he was. By the time I got to ground the bullets would have been three feet above me coming in through the windows. I saw some of the bullets going past the hall that I was right next to and then a teacher pulled me into her classroom. We weren't lying there thinking while I was going to die or thinking more if he comes in this classroom what's the fastest way getting out and where to be run to where can he not find us for example. Against this background reports are coming in that one person is dead and several people have been injured after a shooting incident at Duncline Primary School. It's understood that the gunman burst into the small primary school in the village. The murderer who was armed with four handguns then killed himself. A law enforcement official has told CBS News Justice Correspondent Bob Orr that one child has been killed and one gunman is dead as well. The phone call came in and said that I've been shooting at Duncline Primary School. We didn't believe it at first and then ran into the gym and we saw the devastation that was there. The children lying on the floor and it is the one or two children that we were dealing with in the story. I kept going back to this one wee boy. I don't know if that was my point of connection but I just kept going back to him to make sure he was okay until such times as we could get an ambulance up to take him away. After the sound of gunfire, confusion and bewilderment and the anxiety of waiting for news, a stricken crowd of parents waiting in dread to be told who lived and who died. An unreal situation really. They were screaming from fear and from pain. Strangely enough, I never actually was. Although I was aware that I'd been shot, pain wasn't my initial reaction actually. It was an awareness of what exactly was happening in the gym because I felt responsible. As the bullet stopped, your mind started to think we survived this so it's ended. What's happened to him? He was arrested and what's going on. And also to an extent, particularly for people like me and loads of people in my class at that time, my odd brothers or sisters in the school. Wait a day. What's happened to them? When I went to the fire department, when I didn't see thin, I was like, oh my god, what happened to my brother? It's okay. And then when I finally found Ethan, I was very, very relieved. And we stuck together. Most of the children in the gym were dead. The other children that were in the gym were critically injured. There's only one child that survived that whole incident with no gunshot injuries or a little girl called Victoria Portes who lay down and pretended she was dead and she just didn't move. We're hearing how one little girl survived the massacre and my colleague Lara is back now with that story. It's an incredible story. Dan, it is an unbelievable story of 16 kids in this classroom. Middle-aged loner fixated on youngsters, guns and his own grievances killed 16 children and their teacher. 16 kids in, 16 kids in, 16 kids in, six kids in, six kids in. This classroom, one survived. I spoke last night with the pastor who has been counseling this little girl's mother. It is a howling story of how a first-grader lived by playing dead. You have one parishioner who was right there, a little girl, a first-grader. She was the first student who ran out of the Sandy Hook School. Six and a half years old. She ran out of the school building covered in blood from head to toe. In the first word she said to her mom when she got outside was mommy. I'm okay but all of my friends are dead. Somehow in that moment my God's grace was able to act as if she was already deceased. Most of the children in the gym were dead. The other children that were in the gym were critically injured. There's only one child that survived that whole incident with no gunshot injuries or a little girl called Victoria Portes who lay down and pretended she was dead and she just didn't lose. How it's six and a half years old can you be that smart, that brave? I think it's impossible outside of divine intervention. She has wisdom beyond her years. How are the mom and dad doing? I think as well as you can expect them to do. And they must be relieved to have their child but on the other hand, so many feelings. Yes, the mom told me and I thought this was very insightful that she was suffering from what she called survivor's guilt. Survivor's guilt because so many of their friends don't want to have their children but she has hers. A long road ahead, just an incredible story of survival and all by a six-year-old girl. 2021 found Incredible. For Trin and Gary. Charlotte was their first child. I was there to join us. We'd been married five years before we decided to have a family. So she was a little girl. Richard and Krista Rico say that talking about their Jessica brings tiny moments of comfort. She was a ball of fire. She ruled the roost. She had a little CEO we called her. You know, she was the boss. Sophie was unsure of a very typical five-year-old girl, full of life, bubbly. I found her a joy to be with. We could have intelligent conversations together. Are you angry? That hasn't registered to me. The killers face the name, everything. I just, I see through it right now. I just want to keep talking about her and all the things she loved to do. It was exactly what I needed. Because it says I love you so much, Mama. It's like she knew that we were going to need something to help us get through this. My little girl who's so full of life and who wants a horse so badly and who's going to get cowgirl boots for Christmas. She grew up. As a few years went on, she was a tomboy. She liked climbing the trees and rolling in the garden. She was, you know, a life and sorrow of the ocean. She had a brother, all of a sudden, to just start beating up as well. And she was bright and intelligent and a good person. What do you want people to know about Grace? Well, Grace had such a great spirit. She was a kind and gentle soul. And she was just the light and love of our family. She was just truly a special, special little girl that we loved. And she loved her brother so much. We had a very intimate family life. Sophie's mum had died two and a half years beforehand. So we spent a lot of time in each other's company. We had our own sort of routine way of doing things. Sophie became a companion as well as a daughter. Because we did go to so many places together, she was with me much of the time. Charlotte loved going to school, so there was not a problem of saying, come on, get ready. She was open ready. She was bubbly. She loved her school, Sandy Hook. In fact, this week I was telling somebody she had a stomachache one day. And I said to her, why don't you stay home with mum? And she said, no way. Have too much fun there. And I don't want to miss anything. I remember that morning.우 Putting her on the bus, she had a habit of bluing kisses. Then she'd give me a big little liver like, Cooper at skate pool. Big liver like. But then, she was so happy to go off and get there. We got up somewhere between 7 and 730. I made sure that Sophie got dressed. I'm going to go. Good girl. We were planning to move away from Scotland because of job movements. So although we'd only been here at a very short time, we were going to be moving south within the month. One of the children killed that day was born in Howard County, and moved with her family in a new town. Joey Gay was seven. Joey died three days before her birthday. Friday, December 14, 2012. Joey was excited about her birthday party coming the next day. She was inviting her whole first grade class from Sandy Hook Elementary School. What did you think when someone said we want to build a playground in your daughter's honor? She was like, uh, a breath of fresh air. You know, it was like, oh, somebody gets it. This is a kid that was about fun, joy, and happiness. She spent half her life on a playground. The volunteer builders, mostly firefighters, set the ribbon cutting for December 11, 2013, a very good day. Happy birthday, Joey. That's her birthday. It was a normal morning. It was breakfast time. Charlotte loved going to school, so there was not a problem of saying, come on, get ready. She was up and ready. She was bubbly. She loved her school, Sandy Hook. She packed her ever long insolent and a baggy. You know, every morning it was the backpack, was packed the night before and ready to get on the bus in the morning and head off to school. A little liver lip like. Ooh. But then she, I knew she was so happy to go off and get there. So I like to say that she was at a place that she loved and so we take comfort in that. That we know she was in a place that she really loved. Place that she really loved. And I take comfort that she was with all her friends and I just envision all of them holding hands and they're all together up there and they're up there with their wonderful principle. I mean, they have so many people up there helping them and I said to somebody, like, just Sandy Hook, we have so many angels and so many bright stars shining over all of us in this town right now. And each one of those children was, look at their pictures. They were so beautiful. And I know that like my wife, I just look forward to one day living my life in a way that she loved and she loved me. So I feel like I'm going to be in a place that I can't live in. So I feel like I'm going to be in a place that I can't live in. I feel like I'm going to be in a place that I can't live in. Like my wife, I just look forward to one day living my life in a way that I can see my little girl again in heaven because I know that's where she is now. So do you actually have any hope that you'll see Sophie again? No, I don't have that. I mean, it doesn't take a state extent to that. Is that, would that have been a comfort? I mean, is it tempting sometimes to try and persuade yourself that there's some kind of afterlife because then you'll see Sophie again or is that? Since I don't believe in an afterlife and haven't thought about it, I just find it impossible to imagine. And I guess I have this difficulty in imagining an afterlife where all you do is meet up with the people you know already. Is this the scientist and you that you realize? I think there's very much the scientist in me being, you know, rather to, you know, to say logical about it. With three children at school, I had volunteered to help in the nurse's ship and much 13th is my second morning helping. Started like any other day where I had breakfast with the kids, got Daniel on the bus, came back up to the house, and then for whatever reason it occurred to me, I'm like, oh, Daniel forgot his library book. So I kissed the kids and picked up the book and drove to Sandy Hook. I drove into the car park and I don't know why. I don't know why but I sent something was wrong and I didn't know what it was. All the while I'm thinking to myself the building is so quiet and why is it so quiet? There was another parent came up and I remarked to her there's something wrong and she said yeah, she didn't know what it was either. She said, I don't know but look and as I went in I opened up the nursery door and Mrs. Isles of the children sitting on the corner and I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, there's a buzzer, you have to buzz in to the building, the whole plate glass window to the right of the door was shattered and there was glass everywhere. And I just found out that stage in you it was primary one and I found out that it wasn't my daughters. I felt relieved and I felt terribly guilty and I felt relieved. And then you saw him. And then I saw him. I saw it, I saw it, did you know? He must feel so lucky. Yes, yes, it's overwhelming relief, luck, grace. I mean, yes, absolutely. People didn't feel they could be sure their children were safe until they actually saw them and held them. And I knew I'm like, I don't want to make him the star. I don't want him to see me in a circle with relief that he's there. So I just waited for him to come to me and then I went over and said, hey, man, you know how are you? Mom, you look what's going on? I'm like, it's just crazy, isn't it? I'm going to give him a big hug and I said, well, I'm going to walk you down to the firehouse and he said, okay, come on, come with us. Okay, so I held a stand and you have two, you have twins who are in that kindergarten class, but they're in the afternoon program. They got, my twins are in the afternoon kindergarten, yes. So they weren't in the building. My three children at school, they were safe at home. So that was a blessing. He looks up at me and he goes, you know, it's a good thing you're not dead, right mom? And I said, well, what do you mean, honey? And he said, well, the bad man who came to my school. And there was something that's a boy who kept saying over and over again, well, a bad man, he's a bad man. Well, the bad man who came to my school. Well, a bad man, he's a bad man, well, the bad man, well, the bad man. He's a bad man. He's a bad man. I was working in Sterling at the time. So it was just a normal day in the office. I was approximately 10 o'clock at a phone call from one of our sites. Some guys saying, have you heard the news? My phone rang as I was about five minutes away from my fitness class. And it was my friend. And normally I would not answer, but I did. And she said, are you aware there's a shooting in Sandy Hook? After I'd been at work for two hours, a colleague came to my office door and asked if I'd heard anything about a shooting at Dumbline High School. What's happened? He then corrected himself and said, primary school. He'd had a phone call from one of our students. He'd heard on the radio about a shooting. An email came through the school messenger system saying, schools were in lockdown. And then the local media reporting said, shooting at the school. It's been an incident in Dumbline. It's been a shooting. It's on the news. And that was quite a shock because in Sandy Hook in Newtown, shooting's on the head. A shooting at a school was difficult to comprehend. With limited details, the fathers began searching for more information. I happened to pick up on social media, not just one person shot, but 26 people dead. And we were just told, yes, there'd been an incident. Could you please come to the school and fetch your children? I tried phoning the police. The line was engaged. I didn't know the school's number off the top of my head. So I didn't find that. And then somebody offered me a lift along with another colleague of mine who had a child at the school. And we were driven up to Dumbline. I just ran into the firehouse and there are just mothers and fathers and kids everywhere. It was only when I arrived there saw all the hundreds of people milling around in the street. There were roadblocks. It was all, well, it has to be something very serious. When the call came on Friday morning that Sandy Hook Elementary was on lockdown, Christa Rico's rushed through the town where she and her husband were both raised. And I just, as I was running out, just kept thinking and coming for you, honey, I'm coming. I got back towards Dumbline and it was chaos. I mean, the roads were jammed. I ended up parking on the local Tesco's car park, made my way up to the school. On foot, there was lines of police officers there asking who the child was, what year she was in. And people were then being sent along by all of us. It was just off. They just stood outside in the cold, hundreds of them. And there was little information just watching ambulance and police cars and journalists and really not knowing. And rumours going running. And there are just mothers and fathers and kids everywhere. And ran into one room and you're just seeking the faces that you recognize. And someone said, Nicole, Jake's over here. That was good, but I hadn't actually seen him. I got sent at that time across the road to a house. The other side of the school was told to go there. When I got there, my wife was already inside waiting. And that's when they heard it. Nicely heard it. A bunch of us into another room. Those parents concerned were taken out of the house and moved inside the school to wait for further news. We were just waiting and waiting. There was no information coming through. Eventually, somebody came in and said that the incident only concerned one class. And that was Mrs. Mayors. Someone else said, who are you? Which teacher is your other son? And I said, Miss Soto. And this one mother, I feel so bad for her. She said, I heard she was shot. And I said, don't you dare say that to me. If you don't know, it's true. And I just kind of pushed her out of the way and kept going in. And I kept, I could see all the kindergarten classes, but I couldn't see Dylan's class. We just started to sit and wait. Other parents came along and then we suddenly realized this was all the one particular class. So we started to realize, I think, at that time that we were different to all the other families. So the family's Dunblane Primary School was one of the largest in Scotland. So there were over 600, nearly 700 pupils there. So the chances that your own child has been affected by anything are quite small. But of course, as soon as you told that it only affects her class, then everything changes. And then all of a sudden some people came into the room, read out a list of names, and asked those people to move on. And obviously at that time we didn't know, are those the people that I mean, got bad news? Or are you good news? The kids are all leaving. Their parents, and you just start wandering around thinking, where's mine? I sat there as patiently as possible. I probably wasn't one of those people sort of demanding immediate information. But two hours after I'd been there, a group of three people came in and called out to speak to the North family. The next thing Derek, the police officer said, was, you'll know there's been an incident shooting incident in which 16 children have died. That was the first time I'd heard the number 16. And it changed my thoughts on everything. Once he said there were 16, that matched a number of us who were left. So he didn't need to be telling me, which he did next, that so if he was one of them, because I'd already worked that out very quickly. Can you possibly describe that scene? It's funny because you spent two hours fearing the worst. And then that's that moment that your fears are realised. And because it's a child, that's not even when you can prepare yourself for. But just imagine that situation that you're worried about something, and you run through various scenarios in that two hours of what you'll do. And then it comes upon you and your mind almost goes blank. It's funny because you spent two hours fearing the worst. But two hours after I'd been there. And then that's that moment that your fears are realised. A group of three people came in and called out to speak to the North family. And because it's a child, that's not even when you can prepare yourself for. It's always been very hard to recall exactly how I felt the moment that the news was confirmed. But just imagine that situation that you're worried about something. And perhaps it was only then that I started getting really concerned. And you run through various scenarios in that two hours of what you'll do. Everything was going through our heads. Is she alive? Is she alive? Is she injured? Is she waiting desperately to meet up with me? Or is she dead? They were all thoughts. They were all possibilities. And then it comes upon you and your mind almost goes blank. And then it just felt numb. I suspect the brain sort of shuts down. Lots of the thought processes because they're too hard at that time. And that's how numbness kicks in. They told me so whose teacher had been killed and that the perpetrator was dead. And then around 1.15, asked everybody to sit down. And they said that it was a tragic day in Newtown today and 20 children were killed. And it was around 3 o'clock that they came in to give their status report. They finally around 1.15. And it was around 3 o'clock that they came in to give their status report. And really, it had to be announced at that point that everybody that was left in the school was dead. And that's really when everybody in the room realized that whoever they were missing, whether it was one of the adults or one of the children that they were gone. Five-year-old Sophie North had just started gym class with the rest of her group. When a gunman entered the school and began shooting. This point in blank found that a state trooper and was like, are there any survivors? Are you telling me that standing here as a parent, my child is gone? And he said yes. My particular role was to meet the families as they came to identify their dead children and to go through with them into the mortuary and identify them there. You can understand how hurrying it was for these families because those children had left home at half past 8 in the morning. And the next time they saw them, they were dead in the hospital. So no two people grieve alike and no two people can face that kind of thing alike either. So you'd expect a range of emotions and that's what happened. There were people that found it very difficult to take it at all. People in deep grief. One of the things we were able to do of course was to allow them to say goodbye to their children properly. They could stroke them and kiss them. And a lot of them took advantage of that and it was very moving. They spoke to them. They call them angels. They remarked which was perfectly true about how they looked like they were asleep because the hospital did a wonderful job with them. They could have had a great range of energy. I'll have to listen. Yeah. What's that come up? And we took identification photographs. I did preliminary identification on all victims. What kind of bodies were there for the family? We did not bring the bodies and the families into contact. We took pictures of them of their facial features. It's easier on the families when you do that. We felt it would be best to do it this way. You can sort of control the situation. You don't know. You have to check it. It's got to be hard not to have been able to actually see her. Well, at first I thought that and I had questioned maybe wanting to see her. But then I thought she was just so, so beautiful. We took pictures of them of their facial features. She was just so, so beautiful. It's easier on the families when you do that. And she wouldn't want us to remember her looking any different than her perfect hair bow on the side of her beautiful long blonde hair. It's easier on the families when you do that. I hope they and I hope the people of Newtown don't have a crush on the head later. You can see the beautiful faces of the family. You can see the beautiful faces of the family. You can see the beautiful faces of the family. You can see the beautiful faces of the family. But in 1996 Lorraine found herself back in Scotland reporting on another devastating news story, the Dumblay massacre. The 13th of March 1996 was the worst possible day that you could really ever imagine. Gunman Thomas Hamilton had opened fire at Dumblay in primary school, killing school teacher Gwen Mayer and 16 children including five-year-old Joanna Ross. If you look at this picture here, look at the wee faces, look at those wee angels. Joanna's mum, Solorraine on TV, and decided she wanted to meet her. There was just some things, a personal. You could see that she really cared. How do you get inside the mind of somebody who would do something so terrible? She would have met and connected and became friends. She didn't think there was anything that she could possibly do or say that would help, but if just speaking to me with what I wanted and I thought that would help, then she was willing and happy to do it. The people in Dumblay embraced her. There was a myriad of reporters who came and talked to them and maybe some pushing their mics in the face, but here was someone that they could talk to. Her relationship with the families and we're taking with Pam continues to this day. It wasn't just a relationship formed by journalists around a good news story. The reason we met was because we lost our daughter. But Lorraine has become a friend that I know I will have for life. Thank you. What do you think that Pam felt that connection with you that she clearly to this day has? I don't know. It's one of those, we just really did connect. You know, when I came in and spoke to her and we just talked and talked and talked for ages. And then Pam and Kenny said, do you want to see her? And Joanna was upstairs. I'm so sorry. I promised I wouldn't do this, but nevermind. I'm not going to say good time. So... Sorry. And you know, when I saw her, she was just lying there. She didn't look, she just looked asleep. But she was on her bed in a little white coffin with her wee naughty one and it was just... There was a moment when one of your visits, I'm told, when Pam asked me to look at the window, I'll tell me about it. Oh gosh, that was... Obviously rushed to the window and our handprints were still in the window. And you know, obviously you're never going to wipe those away and it was just... It was just brought it home to you, so vividly, you know, what they'd lost. That morning, you know, Neil pulls up, I walked Jesse out as I usually do. And then I remember turning around and seeing that Jesse had written on my car, I love you, with little hearts etched in the windows and the frost. I was so present that I thought, oh my, that is just... This is a moment, this is one of those moments, you need to capture it. I was looking, um, the morning after I was in the bathroom, and I used to dry her hair next to the window and the window would fog up and she would write notes in the window to me. And on Saturday morning, I was standing at that window in the bathroom and it had fogged up and I looked and there was her peace sign in the window and I was like, that's a sign from my grace. And the pain above it said, Grace, mom, and she drew a heart. That Jesse had written on my car, I love you, with little hearts etched in the windows and the frost. And she would write notes in the window to me. She'd obviously rushed to the window and our handprints were still in the window. And, you know, obviously you're not going to write those away and it up and I looked and there was her peace sign in the window. That Jesse had written on my car, I love you, with little hearts etched in the windows and the frost. And our handprints were still in the window. Our handprints were still in the window. Our handprints were still in the window. In the window, our handprints were still in the window. Do you have any memories of that? Yeah, I mean this thing is something I never spoke about really ever since I went on the tour because, you know, since I started getting asked about it a lot in the press because it was something that was obviously, I think, for, you know, all of my family and, you know, the time. We're finished, I don't know why, I think. No, it's okay. Yeah, so I think, yeah, it's just something that I think just all of my family and all of the people and done blind. Because, you know, there's a lot of, you know, at the time, you have no idea how tough something like that is. But yeah, then as you start to get older, you realize. And, yeah, the thing that is nice. The whole town, they recovered from it so well. And, you know, there was, you know, it wasn't until, you know, a few years ago that I started to actually, you know, research it and look it into a lot because I didn't want, you know, I didn't really want to know. People will grieve in different ways. And at different times, and to not necessarily assume that people are over it because for some people, it will take it awfully, awfully long time. And the slightest thing can reopen the wounds and the hurts. But as soon as the news of the Sandy Hook school shootings broke, old wounds reopened. Obviously our hearts go out to them. And sorry. I'm not really giving them the best advert for someone who's moved on. But I think out of the most tragic circumstances, some good does appear. And hopefully that will happen for them. At the Dunblane Community Centre, they're lighting candles of condolence and sending sympathy from one of the only places on earth that really understands the depth of Newtown's grief. Elizabeth Palmer CBS News, Dumbly. Well, two massive shootings, 16 years apart, both at schools, one in Connecticut and one in Dumblyne, Scotland, and they have some similarities. Tell us about Dumblyne and the similarities. Similarities start with the fact that you had in both cases in elementary school where a man, a mentally troubled man in each case walks in in Dumblyne. Somebody walked in with several handguns, found five and six year olds in a gymnasium, began shooting. 16 of those kids died. One teacher, several other teachers wounded. In Newtown, Connecticut, obviously, somebody walked in, found also similarly young students, six and seven year olds in this case. Open fire, 20 died and six adults, administrators and teachers had the same scenes of parents rushing to the school, trying to figure out what happened to their children, a nation that went into a sort of shock and disbelief. So I think the events themselves are eerily similar in their specifics. We were the first non-ambulance there and we basically went from our triage center at the firehouse up to the triage center at the school. The phone call came in and said that I've been shooting at Dumblyne Primary School. We didn't believe it, first, and then ran into the gym and saw the event station that was here. It was more or less a big deep breath, going into auto-drive and carrying on with what to do. We're all experiencing frustration, anger, we're dealing with it. You'll always carry those things with you. I always think at the time somebody has sent their child off to school and probably argued in the morning that most people do, sent them off to school, which should be a happy and secure place. And then that's what happens, that child doesn't come home. You remember it vividly. It's something you'll never forget. We'll heal, but we'll never forget. We'll heal. You remember it vividly. We'll heal. We'll heal. We'll heal. We'll heal. Emma Krozier. Melissa Cary. Charlotte. I'll be out with you. I'll be out with you. I'll be out with you. I'm sorry to hear that in South of being shot in that sort of a new school. This is a very close-knit place. It's the main school in this area. Do you think this is going to have an effect for a very long time? I think we've got to go over the next few days. I think Monday is going to be extremely difficult when we look about how this is going. I think the gym is going to be unusable. I mean, Ailee is saying she doesn't want to go into the gym. I really do think any of the teachers I want to go into there. I think they're going to have to probably rule those that. Do something different there. A few hours, you know, an hour into it. Now we're getting potential confirmation of Mrs. Hawks' problem having been a victim. I was so worried that some of the kids would die and thankfully they didn't. They were fourth grade and they were in the back of the building. So I haven't talked to every parent but the assumption and the ones I have talked to that those kids are all safely home. So I don't want to go to the gym. She approached me yesterday morning saying that I don't want to go anymore to the school. I said, why? She said someone will come and kill me. Oh, and said it. Yesterday he said, my school is dead. I said, no, you know, the kids are still and everything. He said, no, mom, but the school is dead. You know, Mrs. Hawks' problem isn't going to be there and we'll all know when we go to school. So my school for me is dead. And I think in his bio, it is never going to be the same. You feel guilty because you took your kid to school for the day like that. It's unfair that I'm not experiencing it. It's not fair to all those other parents that I didn't go through this the same way. I feel guilty. Although I was pleased that my children had survived and very, very relieved. I felt guilty because I knew that other parents were going through what they must have gone through. To be able to sit here and know that he was going to come home safely to me. Like, this he was with me. I wouldn't even begin to imagine what it's like as it would be unfair to do that. I think people from blame will put together. From the trouble it will be. The labeling of the place. I don't remember for all the wrong reasons. It's, but the town's resurgent. We're going to come back. What can I tell you? That is a plan. That's what it means to me. We're all, you know, quiet little town that nothing ever happens. Now suddenly we're in the record books. Not because we won someone won the lottery last week, but. Or something awful. I just want to go to the service. He let's get the emergency report there. He's on Robert Pobys, who is five years of age. The shot and arm in emergency. He had surgery to his arms in the doctor's or prison to progress so far. The doctor said that the doctor was not going to be able to do that. The doctor said that the doctor was not going to be able to do that. The doctor said that the doctor was not going to be able to do that. The doctor said that the doctor was not going to be able to do that. The doctor said that the doctor was not going to be able to do that. The doctor said that the doctor was not going to be able to do that. The doctor said that the doctor was not going to be able to do that. My only child, Amy Hutchson, was shot in lemonade. on Wednesday, whilst in a gym class. Emeas five years old. The doctors are treated on Emea again yesterday and they're all pleased that she's doing well, although she's a scabbling all out of pain. All her family are finding a really difficult to believe that the strategy has been dumbling. Most of the families involved meet each other and the children were all friends. The hospital staff had stuff, it'd been wonderful. And I'd like to thank each and every one of them from the bosom of my heart. The staff at Dumblink, trying to school and emergency services. We have received kind messages of support from lots of people and gifts from strangers. And I am now learning the best way to explain to any what has happened, what it is very hard knowing what is the other thing to see. All the parents, whose children were in Mrs. Mayor's class felt the same agony and terror. Those waiting in years of which children were hurt. I thank God that I am looking to have Ameas meet and I feel so sad and upset for the parents of those children. My thoughts and prayers are with everyone who is suffering because of this awful, senseless tragedy. We will never forget Mrs. Mayor or the 16 innocent or one two times. I am just trying to concentrate on helping Ame. Get better now. I'm going away and lucky to have the chance to do that. Thank you. First of all, I'd really like to offer our deepest condolences to all the families who were directly affected by this shooting. It's an horrific tragedy and we want everybody to know that our hearts and our prayers go out to them. Can you tell me what your feelings are towards the man who did this? To be honest, it's very difficult because I can't understand him. So I really don't know what to feel about him. I can't understand anyone who can do this. So your feelings, you don't know what to feel. It's very, very difficult. Sishing is a little children. Can you tell me what your feelings are towards the man who did this? You know, the person that chose to act in this way was acting with a God-given right that he was given by God with his own free agency. And that free agency is given to all of us to act and choose to do whatever we want and God can't take that away from us. Can you tell me what your feelings are towards the man who did this? It's okay to be angry because sure we have anger and we're upset and we don't know why. So we'll just take the lead from them and we will not go down that road. Can you tell me what your feelings are towards the man who did this? I believe that December 14th was the greatest day of compassion the world has ever known. Can you tell me what your feelings are towards the man who did this? Good for them, good for fucking them. Thank you. I'd be happy to answer any questions as long as I see them to be within reason. I'm not in here. I'm not in here. I'm not in here. I'm not in here. I'm not in here. I'm not in here. I'm not in here. I'm not in here. I'm not in here. I'm not in here. In London, Tony Blair, with young children of his own, seemed close to tears. These were little children who the weekend would have been playing with their brothers and sisters and their mothers and fathers who went out to school today with the whole of their lives in front of them and now nothing. The majority of those who died today were children. Beautiful little kids between the ages of five and ten years old. We remember the little ones that died. Let me tell you, the people here they don't forget. Grace's dad's not forgetting that he has moms hasn't forgotten. The notion that two months or three months after something as horrific as what happened in Newtown happens, and we've moved on to other things, that's not who we are. We grieve with their parents and their friends and they will not be lost in the memory of this nation. It will say first of all that we're not forgotten. We'll always remember these children. The candles will go out, but the memory won't. Also, we are expecting and hoping that we'll also remind people of the message about guns. Guns must go. I think people were very close on pay. They may have been quite a gun. I think hopefully we'll never know. I hope you don't think of it as a whole. No, I didn't think so. I remember when we visited the school, we stayed out for the same time as the young major. And I went back to my family in the evening. Very beautiful. We got deep inside. Making the rounds in hopes it'll make a difference. The parents of Sandy Hook Elementary victims move throughout the halls of the heart building today, meeting with senators. The 11 family members flew to Washington last night on Air Force One along with the president. Today, instead of pleading their case in front of the reporters and cameras staked out, they tried to make their case face to face with more than a half dozen senators. Miss Sochi was asking us to call out that news talking from the newspapers. With Corvio reinforcement, one last on Tuesday, we refused to answer the question. A PD switched right into another community. Chris & Nicole glossons the topic of the news here, bringing more confidence to our community. Thanks, Chris. offer our heartfelt sympathy and prayers to all involved. I'm proud to say that I'm a physician assistant and I work in the Danbury Newborn intensive care unit. Now there are many in the community who still need our support. And we are operating a crisis intervention service 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Anyone who would like to access those services is encouraged to call 203-739-7007. You know it's hard for me to talk about because I was at work at the hospital. I think every memory staff in the hospital thoughts are with the memory staff who has lost the child. And we are trying to provide as much support as we can at this stage. We would like to respect her period of grief and appreciate the media's handling of it at this stage. A woman doctor who was on duty here yesterday also had a daughter at the school. She was part of the medical team waiting for the injured children to arrive. She soon realized the boys and girls she was treating were her daughter's classmates, her daughter's friends. Friends and relatives at Dr. Catherine Morton's home today, there was nothing she could have done for her five-year-old daughter Emily. My daughter Emily. And unfortunately I cannot disclose any information about patients who are in the hospital at this time, matter of respect for their privacy. Three patients were transported from the scene and I am unable out of respect for them and their families to share any information on identification or patient condition. There is privacy rules in HIPAA and just preventing me from actually detailing the type of wounds with respect to the families who lost loved ones. I have them come into the merge room and for HIPAA rules I can't describe this specific. Most of the injured children were brought here to Sterling Royal in February despite the best efforts of the surgeons, one of them died in the hospital. A team of seven doctors including myself, supportive and nurse seasoned paramedic staff, went to the school and brought injured patients back to this hospital following initial treatment and stabilization. 13 children and three adults were brought to the hospital. One child died shortly after arrival. Psychologists and social workers here are counselling parents and children some of whom witnessed the massacre. Two children, a boy and a girl were taken by air ambulance to Glasgow. The boy who is the most serious ill has injuries to his foot, to his chest and to one of his eyes. He is serious ill but in a stable condition and at present a little girl is less ill. Her general condition is good but she has a very bad fracture of the thigh bone of the femur. 11 children are still being treated in Sterling, two more in nearby forecud. The seven have undergone emergency surgery. The hellish scene in the gymnasium at Dunblane Primary School has been described today by some of the medical teams who fought to save the children's lives. The casualty consultant who led the emergency team said she simply couldn't believe what she saw. In the gym there was one child who was awake and crying with a teacher comforting their child. As I walked through the door the teacher who died and a young girl was just at my feet and were right. The rest of the room was just spread with bodies and it looked as though they had just died where they fell. It didn't look as though they'd survived long enough even to move an arm or leg. When I first went to the room I went to a body to body feeling positive that people were alive or not. You do things and you do things because you know you've taught, you've learned. You go into your routin