Russianvids Livestream Podcast W/ Mark Sargent Talking Flat Earth

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All right, just want to verify everybody can hear me at the chat box before we get started. Just give me a yes and then we're going to be good to go. All right, just want to verify pretty good. I don't know what happened to my voice there. Okay. Can you guys hear me? Okay, there we go. Good enough. As you can see, we have Mark Sargent and I really appreciate Mark Sargent taking the time to come and visit and speak on my channel. It's a long time basically overdue for this to happen. We spoke before here and there, but no actual live stream or podcast together. So this is going to be something good. Hopefully, we're going to get into a lot of topics, but we're going to, of course, the main topic of course is Flatter. And again, thanks so much, Mark, for joining in and welcome. Happy to be here. And thank you so much for inviting me. Sure thing. Absolutely. We're going to talk about a lot of things that had been taken place recently, the Jimmy Kimmel Fiasco with the with the troll getting to that. And but first off, I want to ask you is, you know, basically starting off, you know, from the very start, your childhood and your outlook and life and the whole aspect of how you got involved with Flatter. I'm sure there's a lot out there that know maybe some don't just wanted to just, you know, run through that real quickly before we get into the potatoes. Sure. Sure. My childhood was a little bit unusual because I grew up in an island north west of Seattle, Washington, just just below the San Wands and just below Canada, basically. And it was a very rural environment, but we could see Seattle from our, you know, from our island. And the civilization was not very far away. And I was, it was a very sheltered life. And so I didn't believe in any conspiracies at all. I didn't think that people ever lied to be honest until I got to university and I saw Oliver Stone's opus, you know, his JFK in the theater. That was the first conspire, I think I'd ever watched that even broached conspiracies for me. You know, this predated the internet by a few years. And all of a sudden I realized, and I saw it during a packtouse and I realized it's like, wow, you know, people, people in positions of authority do lie. And there are reasons why. And then I started kind of learning the rules of power slowly, but surely. And over the course of the next still 20 years, I had an opinion on just about every conspiracy you can think of because it's like, why not? You know, you have the news, you have the mainstream news, and then you have what else is out there. You know, the stories that people don't talk about. And I know there's a lot of people, you know, friends and family of everybody that's listening that believe that whatever happens, you know, from God's lips to NBC or Fox or CNN or whatever. And that's the truth and whatever you see on the news is the truth. And I had to learn how to build a filter to that. And I had looked at enough conspiracies. I was I was starting to get bored with them. It's like, oh JFK and 9-11 in the moon landing, Pearl Harbor and so on and so on and so on and so on. I had literally an opinion on everything. What am I like? It's something I didn't like. And then just in the summer of 2014, I got bored to the point where I was like, all right, what haven't I looked at? And flat earth just happened to show up in the corner of my screen in YouTube and I was like, okay, why not? It's not on my bucket list. Let's, let's, you know, turn this thing out and see what's there. And I figured I could just shoot this thing down in a weekend. That was the biggest mistake of my life because it just never would end. I kept trying to hammer the thing out. I kept trying to disprove it like everybody else in flat earth. I became a flat earther because I tried to destroy it. And because I hated it like everybody else does. I still get up mornings. I mean, literally I get up every morning trying to kill flat earth and every morning I fail. And then all of a sudden, so for about nine months from the summer of 2014, I was like, if you're 14 all the way to the beginning of 2015, and then I just woke up. I had that Jeremy McGuire moment where I just said, you know what? I'm going the other way with this and I decided to put the series of videos out on YouTube. Never admit a YouTube video. You know, my YouTube account was out there, but very little activity whatsoever. And I called it flat earth clues. And it was a series of very, very short videos. And the reason why they were short is because when you're brand new to YouTube, you can't even make long videos. You have to make them less than 15 minutes. And put them out there and thought, okay, well, some academics going to shoot me down. There was a problem I couldn't answer, which was, okay, why can't I prove the globe anymore? And over the period of the next six months, I just had this wave after wave of people contacting me. The average person on the street and saying, wow, this is really interesting. I don't want to know more mainstream media going, wow, why has no one ever talked about this? I want to know more. And then subject matter experts getting a hold of me from all branches of the military and engineers and pilots and air traffic controllers. Then they're all saying the same thing, which is like, you know what? Not that crazy. Not that crazy at all. And that was 2015 and started this whirlwind of things. Things, if literally if I live long enough to write an autobiography, it's going to be called unsolicited. I didn't have to do anything. It just kept coming to me. You know, being like a publisher. It's like, hey, you want to turn your clues into a book? It's like, sure, do I have to do anything? No. TFR. Hey, you want to turn your thing into a weekly radio show? Sure. Why not? And so on and so on and so on to where 2019, you know, we just finished it up. And I did, I did speaking things in what eight cities and five or six countries. And I didn't have to, I didn't have to solicit any of them. And to where two days ago and I know we'll get to it, we were on Jimmy Kimmel. Go figure. American mainstream late night television. And also the commercial you've been on. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I got, yeah, forgot to leave for good with that. You may have, I have to remind you, you've been involved so many things. I gotta remind you. Yeah, yeah. I did. I was called. In fact, it was really weird because I just got back from the New Zealand flat earth conference, which, which I was a speaker at. And I get home and that was not, you know, I'd not done much work out there. And I get back and literally as soon as I get back an Australian online gambling company contacted me, said, hey, how would you like to come down to Melbourne and shoot a commercial? It's like, what do I have to do? You go, oh, you just have to hold a phone up for a whole, what entire day. And we'll pay it. And it's like, you know, can you be here in 10 days? I mean, it was really, really short notice. It's like, okay. So I flew down there and spent a week in Melbourne and lived in an apartment and had fun. And to where yeah. And then then they ran that just, I mean, that was a national television spot in Australia. And they put it on billboards and buses and airports. It's like, oh, wow. And that was really cool. It was the first flat earth official endorsement. But the neat thing about that was is that we didn't, you know, if you saw the big campaign, you know, it was called foolproof. The big campaign had different Americans in it, like American beauty queens and American protestors and stuff like that. But they were all played by Australians. I was the only American that was actually flown in for this. And the reason why is because we had members working in that company. They didn't have to use me. They could have created a flat earth or out of thin air if they wanted to. But they say, hey, if we're going to do that, why not bring in, you know, the real thing. And so it was great. I got to meet, you know, some flat earthers down there. And it was, it was a lot of fun. So yeah, it's been a wild, wild ride so far. And if 2020, as of two days ago, what just happened is any indication of what that's going to be. I mean, come on, it's an election. You're already, which is going to be super, super weird. I have high hopes for what's going to happen to the flyers community. Well, I want to thank you, Mark, because my very first video presentation in flat earth included your work. Oh, thank you. And yeah, absolutely. And I forgot the name of you mentioned this one crater on the moon. It was after those named after a, I believe, oh, oh, it was, it's a, yeah, Barani. It's a, it's a, he's an Iranian philosopher from a thousand years ago. Yeah. Al Baruni. Al Baruni. Yeah, that's it. And that's it. I'll never forget that because that was one thing I really spotlighted. I think he was basically a flat earth and then named a crater after him, you know, a moon crater after him. Yeah. So I found that very fascinating. And you know, it's like this whenever, well, let me just back up here and say this. You know, you, you mentioned everything you've been through us, you know, for the, you know, rounded up. And you talk about all these experiences. You never imagine that it was snowballing to where you are today. I mean, from 2014 to where it's, where it is now, right, can't dream of that taking place. I don't know. For sure. Go ahead, I'm sure. Oh, no, not at all. As a matter of fact, I'm collecting actually magazine covers on my coffee table right now. We were on the cover, for example, of Newsweek, popular science and skeptic magazine all in one year, all in 2019. And then, you know, we, the trailer for that was the cover of National Geographic back in 2015, but that was basically the war on science, the beginning of that. And then we were part of a television special that they did. And then we were on CBS Good Morning with Jane Polly. I mean, yeah, there's so much media has been generated because of Flat Earth. We've become kind of media spoiled where, you know, I kind of joke with some of the people I remember when, when Jaren was complaining that Newsweek was picking on it. It's like, dude, if that's the thing that you got to complain about, you don't have a lot to complain about because there's all sorts of people out there that are just dying to get any sort of media attention because media is really, really fragmented right now. And we are, we, they just come to us. They just keep coming to us. In fact, you want to have some fun. Have your, have your listeners do a look at the end of 2019, kind of the retrospective, set the filter to one month. The most interesting stories of 2019, you know, just about every list that you can see, we're in there. Why not? Of course, we're the most interesting story of 2019 and 2018. And by the way, to all the trolls that may be listening, doesn't it bother you that we're still here? Because in 2015, they were making all these videos, all Flat Earth's dead, RIP, Clay's closed. Yeah. Really? Because I said that Mark, I said in the beginning, when I started making Flat Earth videos, I said, look, you know, of course, I looked into it, a tremendous amount of time looking into it before I put my foot in the water and actually produce videos on it. But I said to myself, you know, if this Flat Earth is false, it's not true, it's going to go away rather quickly. Not. It has it. It's just build up. Another thing I want to, I'm going to be very transparent and very blunt for anybody out there listening and like you said, Mark, that says, oh, but Mark's been on mainstream media. He's a shill. Look, if we talk to amongst ourselves only, we don't get this out there. How's it going to grow? So we have to really, really think long and hard before we throw things at these words around. And, you know, I hate to say it, but the truth is this, the less people do, the more they complain about people like me, yourself, who's done a tremendous amount of work, put your neck out there and taking all the criticism while they sit back at their popcorn at people like you and me, Mark. Yeah. Armchair quarterbacks, of course. And look, there's some old sayings that the most popular of it is that all press is good press. But that actually I think originated from the saying that even bad press is free. And what I'm trying to tell people is like, look, you don't know how difficult it is to get, I've used this analogy many times, which is when any branch of the media takes, takes shots at us, they're basically just shooting wooden arrows into a bonfire, which is, you know, from a distance, it looks like there's a lot of stuff happening. There's a lot of activity, but you're really just making the fire bigger. And it's so difficult to break into media in any capacity. And we've hit just the full spectrum. I mean, look back at when, you know, back two years ago when LeBron James said flat earth on international television, you know, he actually said flat earth, we could, you don't understand the power, the meat, the marketing power of that. We could have gone to him and offered him a briefcase with $5 million and he still probably wouldn't have said it because of, you know, his reputation, right? He said it for free. Yeah. They heard him. He heard him was involved with that. So they were going back and forth and kind of jabbing each other about it. Yeah. But the key word is mentioned. It's mentioned. Yeah. And that's the huge thing is getting out there. So again, that to be done. Well, no, no, let me, let me, let me throw one more thing in there. This kind of, kind of solidify it, which is when you bring up a topic on your, to your audience, in fact, I don't even care about the host. When I'm talking to these different groups in mainstream, I don't care about the host. I give a rat's ass about what those things. What I care about is the viewers. Yes. Because I know the host is never going to change his or her mind while I'm talking to them because look, it's part of their network. It'd be amazing if they actually did. Now, I've caught some off guard, sure. But it's the people at home watching because yeah, but who knows? And maybe 99 out of 100, I'm not going to get. But there's going to be a few of them. Absolutely. They're going to look into it. They're going to think it's so crazy that they're going to start looking into it. And that's how we get them because flatter if they keep forgetting is that that's how we got into it. We got into it because we, somebody brought it up. It's like, oh, this is the craziest thing ever. And like I put in the book, I just wrote, which I thanked Amy Adams, the actress, because she went, you know, in some of her different Hollywood parties, she went off on tears and was going after us. And people forget, and I learned this from producers. It doesn't matter whether you love a topic or you hate a topic as long as you're passionate one way or another about a topic because people will pay attention. In fact, most often people will pay attention if you hate something more than you love it. It's like, oh, that's a great thing. Blah blah blah. It's like, yeah, yeah, whatever. But, you know, it's like, oh, flatter. I hate them so much. It's like really click, click, click, click, click. You know, you've got them. So. Yeah. And people have heard divisive, of course, online, you know, in public, you know, there's a lot of banter going on. I remember back, I think it was 2015 or 2016, there's actually a fist fight at a pizza parlor in Canada over debating over flatter. That's how certain that's how people, you know, when it comes down to, I always say it's ego. Ego's the biggest enemy of truth. And people want to be right. And it's just every, every major YouTube channel at this point has covered Flat Earth. It's done at least one video. And they haven't just done it because they think it's interesting. They've done it because what you just said, because it's polarizing. Love it or hate it. Flat Earth is something you can't rarely can ignore. They've done, they, the people look at the metrics. If you do a flat earth video, yeah, you're going to get a boost in, in thumbs up and thumbs down, but you're going to get a massive boost in comments and comments count as part of the metric system in YouTube. Yeah. And you'll get like a 500% boost in comments for that video. And in that spreads and the word got out some years ago, it's like, dude, if you want to get some hits, make a frickin flat earth video. And it's true. Even today, you make it now. It's tougher to break in because YouTube has changed the algorithm somewhat. But for three straight years, they were recommending us a lot. And I don't know if you heard me say this before, but I think it bears repeating, which is, there was a great little article that's out there. You can find it if you want where there was a YouTube programmer who can't, you know, was was done with programming, at least for that company. And people asked him, it's like, hey, why do things get recommended, you know, on their side recommended for you, you know, on the on the sidebar over there. And he said, I remember how many topics there are on YouTube, thousands, 10,000 topics, at least, right, in YouTube. And he out of all those topics, he picked one. And he said, well, if you have a person that gets into flat earth, watches 20 videos in a row, what do you think we're going to recommend? Yeah. That pretty much that at all. It was like, that's how I knew that the numbers kept, you know, kept trending and trending and trending to where, you know, YouTube turned off its own scoreboard, turned it off. And people say, oh, your delusional thing was because of flat earth. It was like, are you kidding? We were owning the scoreboard. Absolutely owning. Relevant search results. We were the relevant search result. We were tracking better than anybody, tracking better than PewDiePie, tracking better than Lady Gaga. In fact, I knew that how good we had gotten because when we hit 20.9 million relevant search results, Trump was at 20.8. That says something because Trump, as you know, was a controversial president. And I made a video, literally calling, you can look back. It's in the last year. It says flat earth catches the president of the United States. And two weeks later, that scoreboard was removed entirely to where you can't, it doesn't matter what topic you do on YouTube. There is no relevant search results anymore. It's gone. You're welcome. I'm not the algorithm completely. Yeah. Because of us. Yeah. And getting back to what you're saying, Mark, about this topic, besides flat earth, we're talking about it like that, such as yourself and myself and others. And the new, I don't want to say the new, it's not the flat earth society person, the disinfo site claiming, you know, we're just moving up and that's supposed to gravity. But, you know, none of us actually obviously believe any of that nonsense. But what I'm getting at is besides us, it was like, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe it was Vsauce was the first one that really touched upon the flat earth. And that, that his channel, I mean, his, his video on flat earth just rocketed so many. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was, he was the bane of my existence for the first year because he was always at the top, always, always. Now, he's a, he's a huge channel to begin with. He was probably the biggest channel to even broach the topic. And what he didn't count, well, I mean, not that he cared. But what happened was there were so many other channels that got involved. But basically, yeah, if you have millions of channels, you know, I'm sorry, millions of subs like, you know, PewDiePie or Logan Paul or Shane Dawson or people like that, you know, you'll, you'll get up there. But if you are, you also get special treatment if you're a network, you know, ABC news, CBS, you know, like Jimmy Kimmel, top of the charts right now, he's going to stay top of the charts for a while. They give you the benefit of the doubt and keep you up there. The guardian at the top of the, you know, that's the BBC thing tech insider verified channels that are verified with media credentials as well. But yeah, it's Vsauce. And he's still, in fact, he brought it up, he brought it up even just the other day on, I think it was H3. He brought it up again. I'm sure people, you know, bothering him about it all the time. Yeah, you know, I think is though, they're actually doing this a favor, bringing more attention to this topic, you know, so it's going to back for it. Yeah, in the beginning, it's like all these people are, you know, they're mocking flattered. But again, you know, this is the truth and the truth that always come out in the end. And that's what it comes down to even people such as ourselves, the beginning, we were, you know, of course, with flattered, the horrible stigma placed on it. Oh, you're so dumb, you think the earth is flat. Of course. So we all been programmed. We all have this uncomfortable feeling first getting involved flattered. But once you understand the more, more you understand the more and more you grasp it, you become, when you become very comfortable, I have no problem bringing up to anybody. So someone in the streets will bring up politics, while bringing up flattered. So that's the thing and I have a problem doing it because, and here's the thing is, and I said this before, the more and more people talk about out in the streets in public during like social gatherings at parties, it becomes less and less uncomfortable for everybody. Absolutely. The, and I've got to bring up the documentary because, you know, the flattered community and what I predicted basically came true, which was the flattered community was going to hate it and they did. But the rest of the world that saw it were very, very curious. And Mark, you're frozen a bit. I think we lost Mark. Let's see what, let's see if he's going to, uh, I knew this because of the what? Okay. I'm sorry, Mark, you froze for a bit on my side. I did. Yeah. I'm still, I'm going to kill my email and my other stuff. So, yeah. All right. My back is stuck. Yeah, you're fine now. Okay. So, so the, um, the documentary, when I was sitting with people watching it, the reason why they were so compelled is because it wasn't pure. I'll use a drug reference here. It wasn't pure, uncut, flat earth, right? It wasn't 100% pure. It was a balance between science related people and us, you know, you know, professional scientists or astronauts or psychologists or whatever they threw in there and us. And so the audience was like, you know, listening to us is like, oh, my God, it's too much. And it's like, okay, okay, it's Neil Tyson. Oh, okay, it's an astronaut. And they'd be relieved. And so by the time they got, you know, to the end, it was this back and forth, they had sat through and they were engaged for the full 100 minutes. And there were a lot of people that got into it because of that. That ends, of course, um, the, the demographics because most people don't understand that if you're under the age of 30, the best media bang for your buck is Netflix. It's cheap. And there's a lot of stuff on there. And kids don't have a lot of money. So under, so what really freaked science out was the U.gov survey that was released in 2017, which said that the 18 to 24 year olds over a third of them were skeptical of the globe. That's what freaked people out. That's when national geographic contact, I mean, they were really, really concerned. And then just this year, just a couple of months ago, I watched the, um, oh, I think it was asmungold. I don't know if you saw it. Did you ever see the asmungold video I put out? Actually, I haven't seen that one. Oh, it's brilliant. So this guy, you know, kids are still, I said kids getting old. Kids, they don't even play their own video games nowadays. A lot of them just watch recordings of people playing video games or live streams. They watch other people playing video games. Like, okay, I don't think I, I mean, it's not me. I mean, I like to either play or not do anything at all. Anyway, so he was, he's one of those gamers that also does things on the side. He's constantly doing things. He's got his picture up on the side. And he decided to do a straw poll because somebody when chat was saying, ask him about flat earth, you know, because we're everywhere. And he was fine. He just did an impromptu chat. And he has a lot of people watching him. And he said, fine, let's do it. Is the earth actually flat? Yes or no? Ready? Go. There were so many, there were thousands of people watching him. And he was tracking at about 120 votes a second. And at no point was flat earth losing. To where by the time he gave up, we were at 53%. And you remember that demographic is usually under 20 years old. Well, that makes sense because we were, as you track younger than the demographics, our numbers go up and up because, you know, why wouldn't younger people be more accepting? You know, the cement of their mind hasn't really hardened yet. They've never watched a Apollo on television live. You know, they never watch any of the space shuttle missions. In fact, the space shuttle for a lot of them was just something that happened a long time ago. And so yeah, we just keep tracking more and more to where, you know, I did not mind. And I did it sort of deliberately in the book. I said, yeah, you don't have to worry about us going after the children. We already have them. Yeah. And I think it's important, you know, people are going to look back and look at these, the groundbreaking work when it comes to flat earth, starting in 2015 again with you and several others that really pioneered it. And you're, you know, basically people didn't understand this. Well, why is Mark all over the media? Well, you know, it's just snowball effect. You get on there. You do a great job presenting the flat earth and people say, hey, we've seen that. We're going to get them, get them on. Why? Oh, yeah, yeah. It's really, really easy. People don't understand. The media is, I hate to say this, you can get to listening. They're lazy. And so if you have, first off, by that, I mean, if you put your phone number out there, it helps a lot. Or your, your actual name and your email. I mean, that's everyone that I did things for, that's how they contacted me. They shot me an email. And the other thing is they watch, like you said, the snowball effect. So they watch a couple interviews. And if they don't even watch 10 minutes of it, they watch, it's like, yeah, he sounds okay. And it's kind of like the, the reason why, and I talked about this in the book, why Bill Nye gets as many gigs as he does. Why is he on television as much as he is? It's because he's available and he sounds somewhat credible about science, even though he is not a scientist in any way, shape or form. He is, the producers realize that your average masters or PhD scientists, and I don't care if it's astrophysics or normal physics or any of the physical sciences, they're really, really dry. We all know this, right? When you, the higher you, higher you go on the nerd scale, your social skills, just plummet. Yeah, absolutely. It's like one syllable, two syllables, your, your nervous, you, it's like pulling teeth, trying to get these guys to talk. And it's like, well, Bill looks like a nerd. Let's give him his freaking jacket and his bow tie. And let's have him talk about stuff like, I don't know, the Mars Rover or quantum physics or climate change. I mean, I've seen him on stuff. It's like, I, I just blows my mind. I was like, what are you doing? But I know now it's because it's like the, the, if you have a, a large section of your audience, because remember, Bill and I had a science guy, guy was syndicated by Disney. And so there's a lot of kids that grew up with that. And so they just think, oh, well, he's got to be a scientist. He wears the jacket. I mean, that was the inspiration behind the clue I did called the Code of Credibility, which was Bill and I and his freaking coat. He's thin. He's angular. He talks like a scientist and people don't, I mean, I'm in the Seattle area. He wasn't even an actor from Los Angeles. He was an actor from Seattle, a small sketch troop. I remember that skiddy day with as a speed walker. Speed walker. Yeah. And then he would, he'd enter the, the kingdom, which is biblical, the kingdom, the kingdom. And we're saying, imploded, of course, but he walks in there with the, was it the dynamite they put in there? So, yeah, just, but what you're getting at is getting a little bit off topic, but you're getting at is, you know, you present yourself a certain way and you have a certain look. And it's not what you're saying almost. It's pretty much the whole package, the package deal, how articulate you are. And like you said, some, some of these scientists, they're not very articulate. They're shy introverts and they can't, they don't have any personality. They're boring and people are just going to switch off. So, you need someone right. Right. You're absolutely right. And I've had producers, I've listened to them in the background on, on earpieces. They'll let me run. The producers love someone who doesn't have a lot of awkward pauses. Someone who can just go, go, go, go. And there's a lot of factoids in my head. I mean, they did, they did, they did, it's getting worse every month. And so, if I get on a roll, I can, I can keep it going. And the producers are like, should we go to commercial? Nope. Just let them go. Let them go through another segment. Because they like, they like pieces to where a lot of information can get packed in in a short amount of time. And I've had to do that in some cases. You know, I go in and it's like, you know, talking to a radio station, I go, how long they got? I got, you got eight minutes. It's like, cool. Okay. And then, and they wait for you. They go, give your, your best points. Go. And it's like, that's what they want. And so you kind of have to adjust for all audiences. And if you can do that, they're going to ask you for more things. And so no, I don't mind. I mean, turns out I can do a decent interview. Yeah. And you never lost for words. You can just, like, now, here's a prime example. You just, you can go, you know, and my sorry, people like myself, I do nine hour podcasts straight. Kids, you not. Kids, you know, so, you know, maybe, you know, when I touch upon and I don't have my, like, for example, my phone number, my address underneath my videos, like you do. But again, it's all about timing. It's all about timing. And the combination of so many factors, like you said, a big well spoke and having a personality, you put it all together, the right time, the right place, and again, the snowball effect. Yeah. And, you know, so many things. And like I've been watching David Weiss, you know, from DITRH. He's been doing a lot of interviews recently. And that's because again, the snowball. Exactly. I was going to mention that with David Weiss, you know, he went from, you know, doing a podcast here and they're talking about, like Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing in 9-11, then he, you know, when Flatters happened, he jumped aboard that. And then he became very well known. And now, for example, CNN interviewed him, you know, it's just a spiral effect or I should say spiral, but it's the domino effect and the snowball effect. And it really helps. And, you know, you have, you only have that, like the old saying goes, you know, you only have one time to make that first impression. And you start off good and then you're going to get that, you know, again, the snowball and that's happening. And again, it's so important. But I'll be honest to you, Mark, in the beginning, like I told you earlier, like I said earlier, you know, about this whole thing about appearing on the media, the media is controlled and this and that. Screw that. If we can get on there, get on there. That's why when David Weiss showed up on Info Wars, we fell totally against it. But now, like, what, you want to just preach the choir? We're not going to get anywhere. We'll be spinning wheels. So definitely the more you get on the mainstream media, and that's what I want to get into your appearances with the Flatter Conference. But I definitely want to talk about the video you sent me last night through Skype, Jimmy Kimmel. Oh, Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah. So what, what I honestly didn't think that was going to run and I don't think they were going to run it either, but there was a lot of things recently that were jogging their memory, including the most recent Golden Globe Awards. So Jimmy Kimmel asked to be there. He asked, could I send a team down there? And he's like, OK, you know, I'm sorry, the conference guys were saying, OK, you know, that's fine. But what we didn't know, so he sent a four-man team, you know, a camera guy, a sound guy, a producer, and I can't remember what the other person did. The camera guy, sound guy, producer, and some other, anyway, they had to send a four-man team. But there was a fifth guy. And the fifth guy, they snuck in under general admission. So the four guys came under media, right? And you know, they had to register as media. But the fifth guy, they had dress up in the parking lot. He came in as general admission with a fake leg cast. And he came in early on that first day and he sat during my session and he made sure he was the first person to ask a question. Heck, he even got a door prize. Because he asked the producer's question. I know, go figure. I thought he was, I gave him Beth to the doubt and I thought he was absolutely real. And he said, come on, let's face it. When it comes to the conspiracy crowd, there's, you know, he wasn't the weirdest I've ever seen. Yeah, I was just stereotype. But how, you know, greasy hair, don't comb the hair, don't take a shower maybe, show up with, yeah, I mean, he was wearing all, you know, but he was wearing a lot of memorabilia. The cast, the cast was a little munch. And so, but he started budding into, there's quite a bit of media there from different venues. And he started budding into other people's segments. And I didn't, and he caught me afterwards. And what people don't understand was when I was talking to the, to the camera, when I was talking to the media, that was Jimmy Kimmel's guys that I was talking to. And he kept trying to budded. And so I was going, no, no, no, get out of here, right? I was trying to be as nice as I could. Look, I was in a great mood. My set was over. I was done. I didn't have to do anything to the award show. And I, I should have guessed, it was like because normally you have a producer there that's chewing people away, getting people out of frame. And they weren't doing that to this guy. And it didn't, it didn't quite register. And so anyway, so our staff figured it out pretty quickly. Right, right during that time, you know, that I was, that, that part, they figured it out. So he didn't even get it to, to see anybody else see the, the recording, anybody else on stage except for me. And that's when Rick and John and, and those guys, they got them out of there. And because Jimmy Campbell's team stuck him in, they kicked out the whole team. They kicked out the, the whole group, the whole, the, the five, the official five man team. And then the few phone calls were made and then you know, some angry words were exchanged. And we didn't think anything was going to run. And November ended and December came, came and left. And then here we are, you know, 2020. And they just happened to throw that in there a couple nights ago. And I just found out just just after a strange world show. So I think Karen, Karen B sent me a thing. She goes, she goes, oh God, that we're on Jimmy Kimmel. It's like, oh no. And so I was a little nervous because I knew that I was the only guy that was up on stage that they had time to record. I was going, oh God, I'm going to be in this. So, but it was fine. Again, he covered it. And it's not the first time Jimmy has mentioned this, but it was a long skit. It ran. In fact, this segment ran. Wow. Almost nine minutes. It was a long skit to put in your opening monologue. I mean, they went to commercial after this. I mean, it was, it was a long monologue. And it was an interesting take. So, so to clarify, because they didn't, they didn't, if it was me if I was doing that segment, I would have showed him kind of dressing up and putting on the fake cast because they just had him go in. And there were some people that says, was he real? Was he not known? He was absolutely fake. He was not part of us in any way, shape or form. He's just an actor and infiltrator that works for Jimmy Kimmel. And he was hoping to stir things up and try to be as ridiculous as possible in a mocking way. But, you know what, as far as the segment goes, I've seen worse. He, you know, they let me talk. They could have chewed me up and editing and they didn't. Yeah. And they used a lot of the stuff I was talking about. I mean, they didn't go into my speech, which was weird. They showed my opening line and my closing line. And for the most part, it ended pretty good. And, you know, if it makes people curious. And I think, by the way, I think Jimmy's curious about the whole thing I really, really do because why, why run it? Why run it after all this time and why make it nine minutes long? Why not just take some shots and be done with it? So. Well, you know, I find interesting, you know, over the years, you know, I've covered so much flatter, you know, the topic of flatter over the years. What I find interesting is you had Dave Chappelle, make an appearance, talk about flatter on Jimmy Kimmel. You had Jim Kerry go on, talk about the illuminati illuminati. So, he brought you to Kilo Neil and asked him about flatter on Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah. And also too, I find interesting, very interesting is the studio where Jimmy Kimmel operates out of is a former Masonic lodge with Temple. And if you look above it, the entrance, and I showed that in a video presentation, you can see it in print, you know, in it. So it's not like a banner that's hanging there. This is actually, there's evidence it was an old Masonic temple or lodge. And that's the funny thing is one thing I found interesting to do, the guy that infiltrated basically the, the flat of conference and made a complete, you know, the guy's a complete screw ball. But the funny thing is besides everybody else that, you know, he butted in. He kind of like, all the other people just kind of like let him kind of like, you know, impose himself. Yeah. Besides you. And I love the way you kind of, I'll probably want to deck the guy myself. But, well, no, because I thought he was one of ours. Yeah. I mean, I treat, I treat all our members as kind as I can. Because look, there's some that are more eccentric than others. Yeah. But yeah, he was the most outlandish. Everybody else kept their composure on camera. You know what I find interesting to mark is the guy's name. I believe it. What is it? It's Jake Bird. It's like, I'm a bird. You know, well, isn't that, isn't that interesting? Because, you know, Admiral Bird, it's like if they'd done any research, they, they could have done half the routine where they made a connection to him. Yeah. You could have claimed to be like the great, great grandson of Admiral Bird. And who knows? People might have even bought it. Don't know. I mean, I don't know if it's his real name, but I think it is though. Yeah. Yeah. It's a visual last name. I had a relative that was a bird. Yeah. So, yeah. And like a lady was that lady bird. So that bird thing is, you know, Larry Bird in the number 33, right? Something says, well, but yeah, it was kind of, you know, I first I was really kicked off with the way I'll end it up and ended up, you know, it's like you said, it's a good thing. It's getting it out there. And the word, I hate to say it with all the flat earth, you know, flat big mansion, the mainstream media, we don't want that to die down. No. You know, get it out there. It's like possible. And that's one thing that you said earlier, Mark. It's not slowing down. It's picking up steam. And that's the thing is, I said this before, make this analogy. It's like, it's like this, Mark, it's like you go into the gym. And if you go there every day and you're not getting a result, you can say, screw this, I give up. I'm going to go back to eating donuts and burgers and fries. When you get result, you want to keep at it. Right. You keep doing it and pushing for that. And that's exactly what I see you doing, David and vice as well and many others. So it's fantastic after all this time. It's going strong. It's getting bigger. It's getting larger. And you know, it's, it's, it's, we, we want to see. We made this cover, what I was down in Florida over Christmas break. We made the cover of skeptic magazine. And remember, this is skeptic magazine. They hate everything. They're like Mikey, you know, in that serial commercial. Mike, yeah. And he, he, they, he wrote a 13 page article on it. And it took me, it was like an hour to narrate it and put it up on the thing. He wrote back and he's really curious about, you know, what we were doing. But yeah, he's job skeptic magazine debunks everything. And in this case, they said, well, they debunked themselves because the only thing they watch was the documentary. And I sent him a lot of stuff. But we went back and forth on, on different things and turns out his special, specialty is crypto zoology, you know, which is, you know, lockness and big foot and stuff like that, you know, tried to debunk it. And we went back and forth on that for a little while offline. But the fact that we made the cover of a, of a, of a magazine that debunks things, I said, said something. I mean, you know, we were not, we're not going away anytime soon. I can tell you that right now. Yeah. And that's the important thing you talked about this, this individual, you know, covers big foot and locked in and all that stuff. What I find interesting is what I was talking about is, is, you know, the big Hollywood and music industry presence when it comes to flatter. Like I remember years ago when I put that song by total 21st century blooms, and I had my own clips playing through the song, how can we believe the earth is round? I just can't believe it. I just can't conceive it. I remember you, you actually posted a message or an underneath a video and you said, I'm going to have this on my playlist. And so what I'm getting at is there's so many songs, you know, I always talk about duality free masonry, you give us truth and movies, music, comedy, TV shows and live to us in the news, the school textbook, textbooks, but also like, people don't realize it's like that song by Thomas Dolby, Blanond by science. Yeah, but there's also a song by foreigner, Blanond by science. In the Illuminary Car game, there's that car Blanond by science. So they know, you know, the people that run this world, they know they have, like, say, get them all their young type of thing, programming. And I look at it this way, you know, I just see it this simply as, you know, a five year old child who can barely tie their own shoes of that age. They don't have the tools to look at these analyze things critically and make a decision. They're just being obviously spoon fed information. It's like a CD. It's being pressed. A CD rom that's being pressed. That can't be unpressed. And that's what happens and they grow up for five years old. From that, from that very young age, they grow up not questioning at five. They grow up at 20, 30, not questioning ever again. Never, never looking at it again, analyzing it again. And if you dare do that to them, they get all bent out of shape. And that's what I want to ask you, Mark. You do so many interviews, Dr. So many people about a flared has ever come a point where it's gotten like so very heated. It almost got physical or really awkward. I just want to ask you about that. One, one, yeah, good question. And only once did I ever start to lose my temper. And it was a radio show where it was three guys against me. Usually when you have, you know, those radio booths where you have three people in the room, they're all, and they do that to make sure there's absolutely no dead air, you know, toward there's banter between them. And this one guy was just coming at me saying, you know, it's stupid, it's ridiculous. And at some point, you know, he didn't even know have the basic knowledge of our concepts. And I go, have you looked into this at all? And he's like, no, I don't have to. It's stupid. I don't have to do any research on this. And that's when I started, I really got snippy. And in fact, it's the interview still out there. I can't remember which one it is where I said, okay, so I had, you know, I had the decency to do research on science stuff. And you didn't have the decency to research this at all. And he was getting really sure with me. I said, fine, I go, give me a reason why I shouldn't end this interview right now. I go, you got 10 seconds. And the producer, you could hear him in the background back and back in this guy off. Because they don't want to end the interview, you know, they want to keep going. But it was, but again, I understood and since then I've been a lot more sympathetic or empathetic, which is, you know, I keep forgetting to have to put myself in their shoes. And which is something that Rob Skiva said and he and I go back and forth on this, which is I can't get mad at him because I used to be them. But I know how powerful denial is, you know, it shakes people to the core to where you go through the five stages of acceptance with flat earth without a question. You go, you know, it's denial, then anger, bargaining, depression, and then finally acceptance. And denial is a powerful thing. And it's so close to anger that, you know, when people get into him, we see this with trolls. There are trolls that, you know, that do stuff in YouTube that they can't get out of denial. They're just going to keep hammering us as long. And that's like fine. You want to keep making more videos. I'd like a thousand more like you because you're just helping our metrics. Yeah. You know, Mark, I look at this way. For more people oppose the flat earth, they're more like, like, solid against it. And they're putting themselves out there. It's going to their ego. You know, they can't, you know, go to the other side type of thing, you know, it's like, yeah, it's like when people are heavily invested into it into this lie of the spinning water rocket balls that be through space. Yeah. And they're again, just defending it until to no end and going to every single flat earth channel and just harass them. They're not, they're the last ones. The first thing is what it comes down to subconsciously getting back to your interview with this individual and they're getting a bit snippy with you and all and getting you made your attitude. It's like this, it's like an attack on the subconscious. Like how dare you insinuate that I'm deceived that they like to me and I bought it. Yeah. Become more than all of them. You know, I know that Mark Twain didn't coin it, but he was the one that came up with it, which is it's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled. Yes. I'm so very, very true. No one likes to be tricked. No one likes to admit that they were tricked. And there was a guy, I remember, Hacker was back in 2016 as a matter of fact, in early 2016, I think it was ground zero radio where the guy calls in and he's, you know, his father worked at NASA and turned a ranch or something. And he came at me and he sees it. He's like, how dare you? How dare you tell me the world isn't what I think it is. And it kind of struck a chord with me because I realized what we were dealing with here was very, very matrix-ish, which is there are some conspiracy, there's a lot of conspiracies you can walk away from. You know, you can, you know, they can be buried in the desert. You know, you don't have to even think about them. But the flat earth is something you can't walk away from because it's your world. And you either have to resolve it one way or the other. And for a lot of people, yeah, you're really, really shaken them up. I mean, it's like, you know, the Olsen, they start looking around and it scares them. And people get angry at things that they fear. Yeah. And that's the whole thing is because I think subconsciously, of course, if they, if they, if they're told, look, you know, you've been lied to about this, that we live in this, again, a rocket water ball. Right. Now they got to start over with everything. This is the foundation of everything in their life. Now I got a question. Everything. I don't want to do that. You know, I have my mortgage. I have my bills, wife and kids. Now you're just making my life more complicated. Don't do that to me. That's what it comes down to with a lot of people. But you know, the whole thing is that's exactly it. You know, it's the controllers of this world, you know, keeping people. But yeah, my sister was repeated that what you just said, almost verbatim, which what is she, you know, is like, look, I have a lot of things to deal with already. I don't, I don't need this. And it's like, well, you're going to have to get used to it. Because your friends are going to be calling you. It's, hey, just see what your brother just was just doing. So, yeah. Well, the thing is this, you know, I look at this way, Mark, too, with a lot of topics throughout history, for example, at one point, gorillas were like just a theory, conspiracy theory, did they really exist? And when you first want to point it out, you're going to be considered crazy. So then after a while, like, oh, it's just a known fact. And I believe that's what's going to happen with this, with this truth. It can't be kept. It can't be stopped. Absolutely right. As a matter of fact, the crypto zoology guy, I, you know, I even stumped him for a second there because, you know, I was talking about this and that. And I brought up the, the seal of campfish, which is one of those prehistoric fish that was supposedly dead 70, extinct 70 million years. And then they caught one off of South Africa and then one off of both. And as well, the what? They caught up. This thing is, I know the story about this, Mark. What happened was this, you know, these, these scientists were, you heard a rumor. It is basically before South Africa, they actually found them in the Indian ocean. Sure. And Americans and also scientists from the UK, they went to India because they heard a rumor about the seal of camp being rediscovered. So they went out there. They were fishing daily, every day for like weeks, they'd find anything. Then through a translator, Indian fishermen says, no, you're doing it wrong. They only pop up at night. They'll capture their first one. And basically, I don't get it again. I'm going to interrupt you. Go ahead about. Oh, no, you're absolutely right, though. I mean, my point was, and I built it into my speech in 2019, which was, it's like, look, if you would have asked every single scientist in the world that was tied to that fish in one way or another, you know, related sciences, they would have bet everything they had that has been extinct for 70 million years. And every single one of them was wrong. I mean, it was it. And so when people say, well, you're saying that all the everybody in science is wrong, going, yeah, they've been wrong before. Yes. And so in fact, it was interesting because the guy from Skeptic Magazine, he specialized one of his big articles with debunking Loch Ness. And I don't, I'm not going to get into it with him because it's like, okay, I mean, you know, he does Skeptics, you debunk stuff for a living. But it's like, okay, but when I say the same, but he's admitted, he goes, oh, yeah, the seal of camp, that's a weird one. Don't really know what to think about that. It's like, are you kidding? I go, that's the main argument for Loch Ness. You say, why aren't there pleasey assores swimming around Loch Ness? Well, because they've been dead for 100 million years. That fish over there, that fish, it's not dead. So tell me again, why you don't think there's pleasey assores. I mean, my point was this, if you would have weighed, if that fish was even a little more elusive, they'd be joking about it today. You know, be the guys, you know, the fishermen's like, oh, yeah, I count one of those in scientists ago, you're drunk or crazy or both, because that fish has been dead for a long time. Science is only right until the day they're not. And then all of a sudden, and the follow up thing to the seal camp, I don't want to dwell too much on this, the follow up was, is that science immediately put it under their umbrella. You know, it just came up with bait, made up reasons why it was still around. It's like, well, it's a living fossil. And it's an evolutionary state of stasis, which means it's not evolving right now, but it might in the future. It's like, yeah, what's it been doing for 70 million years, not to mention it's like, how is the sea not absolutely swarming with these things if they've been hanging around for 70 million years? I believe it's 700 million, but I could be off on that. No, no, it's 70. 70. Hey, what's 100 million years, friends? Yeah. Well, no, this is the thing getting what you're saying, Mark, is this seal camp fish hasn't evolved in whatever time frame. And when it comes down to everything, when it comes down to its masonic duality, they say where a heliocentric or actually geocentric, when they say the sun is far, large, far and very large, you know, it's actually close and small, you know, when they say there's no career, there's a career. So whatever they're pushing, you know, is basically opposite. It's very simple to me to break it down because I said it a million times on my channel, the human mind can't go from 8 to Z. You couldn't debate, example, the distance of the sun of science has 9, 3 miles away. Another scientist might come along and say, oh, no, it's 83 or 75. But when you come down to 3000 or 4000, then you just, you can't go there because it's too far off. So that's again, why they teach off duality, the human mind can't go from 8 to Z. Yeah. Yeah. Again, let me end the crypto thing on this. It's like everything we've had myths for years and years and years, the giant panda was a myth. The giant squid and he was even arguing that with me, I go and look, we've never found, oh, no, we found them though, not the big ones you haven't, not the ones that eat sharks, not those things because they're too deep and they're too fast. But until science, until they see something, they think it's a myth and then they put their stamp on it and it's like, well, it's just part of science at this point. It's like, yeah, that's exactly it. I don't get it. You're basically getting at it. What we say until proven wrong by us, not by you by us. And that you're going to stick by their own narrative and you can't question it. Well, the thing is this, if anybody outsize questions, well, that's not the scientific method. This is the truth until science as the ones that are dictating it come up with another answer, of course. Yeah. Neil Tyson's quote again, one of the most arrogant things I've ever heard since Kanye said speaks because everything he says is ridiculous. But Neil Tyson when he said that science is true whether or not you believe in it. It's like, wow. It's like, we're religion. Rest of religion. Yeah, it is. That is a religion at that point. That's when it jumps the rails and it goes from science to scientism. So when I've been very clear with people, it's like, oh, I don't hate science. I love science. I'm talking to you on science right now. But when science makes massive leaps of faith that are unwarranted and irresponsible, it's going to become scientism. And we got to rope that stuff in. You've been beating people over the head with textbooks for a long time now. And luckily for us, the internet highway runs both ways. Yeah. Mark, you mentioned something off-air about, or you actually mentioned on air as well, when you talk to people, people have basically thrown things information at you, the snowball effect of, you know, you're out there and people are contacting you. Just like in 2015, when I was talking about satellites being a hoax, and the video presentation on that, saying, show me some real photos of satellites in space. And when it comes down to, after that video was done, approximately a week after I had that video uploaded, I was contacted by someone in Canada who worked for Roger Telecommunication. Telecommunications. He told me, because look, you're absolutely right. I worked for Roger's. And we, I think he said four or five sports franchises, each one, of course, worth an excess of $100 million each. He goes, look, we have all these sports franchises. But we don't have a single satellite in space. And guess what I did for Roger's? I laid under Ocean Fiber on the cable. Sure. Works off that and high-based ground tower. So again, dealing in this realm, you get information, your spoof at information. A guy that does, he works for a cruise ship. He goes, I try to make cell phone calls out in the ocean. He goes, I can't contact my wife when I get closer shore. Moment works. It's all about tower work. Yeah. The movies have changed, have really augmented our reality with what is science true and what's not. Satphones, for example, always work in the fricking movies. And sad phones in real life? Not so reliable. Yeah. I mean, little things like, I'll give you two quick ones. Movie blood. Movie blood is always red. Always, always, always. Why? Because when blood dries, it dries black. And most people don't know what a little, quite a bit of blood looks like when it dries black. And they tried that on movies back in the day. And they're like, what's that black stuff doing on a shirt? What blood looks like when it dries? It's like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not feeling it. So they made sure that movie blood was always red. But the thing that got me the most, the thing that drew me insane was the airlock stuff, which was when you see a hole in a pressurized system, some sort of space vehicle, a hole shows up. It's like, oh my god, we only got two minutes of air left. Get the duct tape. And they're running around. It's like, you don't, and I granted, I had to learn this myself, which was kind of like, do you remember, oh, this would be for example, you remember the end of aliens, the second one, where Sigorni, you know, she's blowing the thing out of the airlock and she's climbing up the ladder and all this wind and stuff is going past her? Yes. That's not how it would work. Yeah. It would be instant. People don't get it, which is why I put it in the beginning of my strange world things. It's like, you can look at us up on YouTube, type in, so I have a flat earth video, type in vacuum versus steel rail car. It's instant. It's absolutely fraction of a second instant. You lose all the air, you lose all the, every bit of atmosphere, everything out of your lungs, you're dead. You're dead instant, right? On a fraction of a second. But that's not good Hollywood. So they can't show that. You know, it's funny, Marcus, talking about Hollywood. I find it interesting how they love to mock the masses. And I mentioned this before, where you have, like for example, Star Wars, the biggest sci-fi franchise out there, you know, $5 billion franchise. And you have, like for example, George Lucas, his logo is the flat earth dome with the sun underneath it. Every single Star Wars movie, Star Serger, there's your flat earth model. Where you look at aliens from other worlds, distant planets and zooming through space, it's like, it's like so many movies that give you like little hints of truth. Like, neither revolving around flat earth, like for example, you watch back to the future. We know about the flat earth clock, the back of the future in the opening scene. But people miss this. There's actually, we know later in the movie, of course, Doc is hanged by the clock tower. You know, you know, here's the thing is, people have to look at the clocks. He's actually hanging. There's a little model of Doc hanging from a clock tower in the beginning of back to the future. They're telling you what's going to happen before it happens in the beginning. Just like I told a recall where, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, the character is in the, he's in that one lab and they're basically, they're basically telling you what's going to happen is what's going to plan through the whole movie and the beginning of the movie. You know, so they like to like, it's almost like we're playing with you. Like we're going to tell you the whole story before even happened. So these people, and I said a million times with people trying to enter Hollywood or the music industry, you're not going to just walk into Hollywood being a, say, a director, writer, producer out of the streets. They're like, oh, I got a great movie. It's not about that. It's about programming for a condition, the masses and all the entertainment is just the skies as entertainment one is really programming first. By the way, as you know, I watch a ton of movies in a lot of media, you know, television shows just about you name it. I've watched it. I've been reviewing a lot of movies lately. I've been watching with a friend recently just catching, catching her up on a whole bunch of films. And I am so hyper aware of Globes now, so hyper aware that I can spot a, I have spotted them in with, you know, just a blink of an eye. It's like, globe, globe. And it's amazing how many globes are inserted into different movies for no apparent reason, whatsoever. They are always in frame. And I'm going to tell you something because I've covered this as well. I'm glad you brought up this point. Indiana Graselow Stark, I seen that movie way back when at a drive and it was back in 81. And, you know, being a big fan of the movie, you know, I watch it so many times. One thing I always noticed when Indiana Jones is in the classroom as a professor, you look at the globe from different angles. You see it moving around the table. It's positioned based on camera angle. It's there every time. There's like, there's a shot of him looking at like, I forgot the character's name, the older man that comes in the classroom. He picked you off the table. When they show him walk in, it's like, there's Indies face and there's a globe like right there next to head. So they're always positioning and I see what they're doing. And so again, it's all about conditioning programming. You hit the nail on the head when it comes to globes everywhere in movies, just, you know, I, it, it may sound like a silly, silly conspiracy. I mean, come on. I wake up with flat earth, but it would not take much to do silent producers. A lot of people don't know this about the production community in Hollywood, which is, you know, producers, when you see producer credits on a screen, that's just somebody that gave money to the studio, to the, to that production. And when you give money, they'll usually come back and say, okay, what do you want? You know, you gave us 20,000, you gave us 50,000, you gave us 100,000. What do you want for that? And it would take nothing. It's like, I want to help set up, you know, some background, little do hikki set design for this scene or this scene. And most people that the globe is so benign, it's so trivial for most directors like whatever, it's just a globe who cares. They wouldn't even think twice about it. And so, and but it's been, I mean, you wait. I mean, you go flip channels and start watching movies, watch for a little while. You'll spot it in just about every movie. And sometimes it makes sense and other times it doesn't make sense. You know, I mean, yeah, fine. You want to show it in every freaking classroom ever. That's fine. But to show it in like a doctor's office or a lawyer's office or I don't know, the ones that were throwing me like cop shows, like on top of filing cabinets in cop shows, it's like there's no reason for a freaking globe to be up there. Yeah. Yeah, they're cop shows. You know, it just amazes to me. And but yeah, I'm hyper aware of it now. It's like, oh, okay, this is the subtle reinforcement that's been going on basically for the last 50 years. And it's very, very effective. I mean, why not? Why not? Just, you know, they realize it's like, well, after they get out of high school, there's no more globes, you know, even in universities and not that many. But if we put them in media, at Americans, well, the world is so big on digesting media. Well, even when it comes to like seeing a soap opera as the world turns and they show the actual, you know, of the world spinning in the very beginning, here's the funny thing is, you know, again, I talked about George Lucas and the flat earth model before Star World sta