Barbara Honegger Interviewed by Ole Dammegard — Light On Conspiracies

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Ladies and gentlemen, the red or the blue pill. The choice is yours. Welcome to Light on Conspiracies, the place where truth and love transcend the darkness. Your host, peace award-winning researcher, Ole Damagad. I'm here today with my beautiful friend Barbara Hannager, who I feel very honored to have on the show. She is not only a very well-known researcher, author and speaker in different topics, but she's also a very courageous lady and human being who has been standing up against great forces and exposed on their dark secrets that I must have been very costly on in your own life and so on. And when it comes to relationships and so it's with a great joy and honor that I welcome you to the show. Well, thank you, Oli. This is the first for us and I'm really happy to be here and share information that really matters with your viewers and listeners. That's very kind of you. I'm very once again I really appreciate you taking time. The first time, I mean your name has come up since I've been doing research for such a long time. It's come up many, many times over the years and especially in connection with Reagan, with George Bush senior and also with what was called the October surprise. I think the October surprise has almost become like a saying of when it comes to unexpected events in October which is just before the US elections and because the closer you get the more important these events can have. You were in the whole circle and ring in a circle in the 1980 elections. That is correct, Jan. That's right. Would you mind telling us a little bit about your background and then how you ended up in the White House and how it was to work for these people? Well, my background. I would like to add that you've probably also heard my name connected with with the 9-11. Which is my major focus now. But going back to my background, well I guess that the that what people need to know that's relevant to what we're talking about today is that I have worked for over a decade and a half. I'm now retired from it. But I work for over a decade and a half with the Naval Post Graduate School as the senior military affairs journalist there. And the Naval Post Graduate School in the United States is the Department of Defense, the Pentagon's Premier Science Technology and National Security Affairs Graduate University. So you can imagine doing that, doing stories that were highly technical, highly scientific and military and intelligence related for over 16 years with one or two stories a week. And the interviews and all the vetting that's required to do that, you can imagine that I'm a very careful researcher. And I'm also a very informed one. So I want people to know about that of my background. But I think what you're referring to in particular is almost a fluke, Ollie. But I did by this incredible cosmic synchronicity is what it was. I ended up in the West Wing of the Reagan Bush Senior White House. Also in the 1980 Reagan Bush campaign at the very top level, I was working for the Chief Domestic Policy Advisor to then presidential candidate Ronald Reagan. And then when Reagan won, I was on the top floor of the Reagan Bush Senior Transition Team Office in National Headquarters, which is an official office then, because we're talking about the president elect. And then I was actually one of the handful of domestic policy staffers who was sent into the Carter White House before Carter even left to set up to help set up the domestic policy council. And then once Reagan took the oath of office, then I was in the West Wing effectively over the oval office on the second floor for about three years, something like that. So probably those are the most important parts of my background that are relevant to what we're talking about. Also, I have a master's level certification in national security decision making from the Naval War College in the United States. And I have both master of science, accredited fully accredited master of science in experimental parapsychology and consciousness studies in the United States. And also I got my bachelor of science degree at Stanford University. So that's probably the thumbnail sketch of my background. Oh, very impressive. I must say. But how is I'm always intrigued by how it is to meet the people like Reagan and Bush in person. So because it's one thing to see this leader on TV. And so, but it's a totally different thing. I'm sure to meet them in person and be close to them here, them love, or be young, whatever. So what was your impression of Reagan and Bush? Very, very different people, I suppose. Oh, that's an understatement. Yes. Well, the first thing is you should know that I interacted with Reagan on a personal basis, not every day, but in the campaign, actually at the Hoover institution where I was before I went to even the Reagan campaign, where Ronald Reagan had been made an honorary fellow. And then also interacted with him in the campaign, interacted with him in the White House. And the, their photographs of me that you've probably seen like on the back of my book, October Surprise with both Reagan and Bush in the cabinet room of the White House. I would just like to go on record here. This will surprise a lot of people. But Ronald Reagan was an amazing human being. Obviously, I did not agree with many of his policies, especially in the domestic policy side in the United States. The Republicans began their war on American women and our individual and constitutional rights during the Reagan Bush senior Republican convention, actually, where I was the only woman at the round table, three stories down from the top of the Renaissance Center, where the Republican hierarchy made the decision not to support the equal rights amendment that would enshrine in our constitution equal rights for individuals, for citizens, regardless of gender. And so you can imagine what it was like to then be appointed as the top women's rights official in the entire federal government under Reagan and Bush. And it's actually that over, which I resigned publicly in late August of 1983 to about 10 days of international as well as national escalating publicity. So I just wanted to let you know that I'm about to tell you my take on the measure of the man of Ronald Reagan. But I want to be very clear that I totally disagreed with his domestic policies. I thought they were cruel. I thought they were unfeeling. And I resigned publicly over it. And I was the first public resignation of conscience from the Reagan Bush White House Justice Department. But given that background in context, what was Ronald Reagan like as a man? He was an amazing human being. Most people think that he was kind of inattentive and wasn't very smart, that he was, you know, a affable, that he was a likable person. That's really an understatement. When you were in his presence, he was not only, he made you feel, and I really believe he meant it. He made you feel like you were the most important person in the world. He was doing roughly you. And he was really connecting. Unlike almost anybody I know certainly nobody in my personal family is anything as, as a personable, as he was. And genuinely seemed to be genuinely caring on an individual one-on-one basis, which is what was so shocking that he allowed the, his top officials and his administration to actually try to inflict upon the American people, especially female American citizens, the kinds of domestic policies that he tried to get away with. And my resignation, my public resignation through a huge monkey wrench into his secret plan to try to destroy the enforcement authority of all 56 of our civil rights statutes, let alone that it's just a quality for women, a quality for anybody in our country. But he was, he was genuinely personable and this will surprise you. He had an amazing memory. I understand from reading, not from actually asking him in my interactions with him in the White House and the campaign. I never actually asked him, but I've read that he had a photographic memory called an Idea memory for those of us in the field of psychology. And that was very clear. I remember one interaction with him actually in the Roosevelt room of the White House, this is just across the hall from the cabinet room in the West Wing, an interaction with him that I had that showed me his phenomenal memory. I don't know if you're interested in that, but he did have an incredible memory. And it was only much many, many years later that his memory began to have problems because we're told of Alzheimer's. And then we have Bush Senior, which in my book is a totally different character. Oh, Bush Senior. I have to tell you that I didn't interact with Bush Senior on a regular basis of any kind. There's a photograph of him and myself and the president Reagan on the back of my book, October Surprise, which I don't know if you have a website, Ollie, but I will send you that photograph if you'd like to post it. Okay. I didn't interact with Bush in any way, the way that I interacted with Reagan. However, I did. I wasn't his presence a number of times. And I had the sense of a kind of ultimate evil about this person. And in my book, October Surprise at the end, and of course there are other books on the subject, but not very many. And I don't think there's any on the subject directly, but I actually believe that Bush and or his factions in the in the deep state, certainly the CIA were actually behind the assassination attempt on Reagan. And I believe that was May 30th of 1981, not long after Reagan became president. And that was a miraculous survival of President Reagan. And I was there for all of that. I actually think that that Bush and his faction tried to take over the presidency by killing Reagan. He was very evil person. My research totally backs what you're saying. And I totally, my findings, I exactly that that was a very brutal attempt for a crude attempt, but so that it wouldn't it would be invisible that that was to take over. Yes. If you're interested, I could tell you briefly what happens and how I was involved on the day of the assassination attempt. Please do. Please do. Okay. Well, that was if I recall correctly, that's been a while, but it's checkable on Wikipedia, of course. I believe that assassination attempt was May 30th of 1981. Anyway, it wasn't very long after Reagan became president and Bush became vice president. And that morning, now I should say that my office, my desk was right over the Oval Office, along with the person who was my mentor and boss, as it were, who was the chief domestic policy advisor from president Reagan. And his name was, he's now deceased, unfortunately, Dr. Martin Anderson. He was the chief domestic policy advisor to the president. So he was at the same level as the national security advisor on the the national security side of policy making and decision making in the in the White House and the the Reagan Bush senior White House and administration. So on the morning of 9-11, excuse me, not 9-11, that was another coup attempt, wasn't it? But on the morning of the assassination attempt of Ronald Reagan in in the spring of 1981, I had gone to lunch with a friend, not far from the White House in a little diner. And I was sitting on one of those round stools that you could spin on, even though of course I wasn't spinning. And we were talking. And if I recall, it was not, you know, my lunch break was around noon. And so at some point during our luncheon, I'm told I don't remember, but I am told by, I was told by him after the fact when he called me the next day or two, that I started spinning. I literally started spinning on my stool. And after I stopped spinning, I said to him, I have to go, I have to go back to my office, I have to go. And there was a sense of urgency, a true sense of danger and urgency that for summaries, and I needed to be back in my office instantly. It was about a block and a half or two from the White House. And I remember taking off my high heel shoes and running over the cobblestones in the grass all the way to the gate, to the security gate off of the outside of the west wing of the White House. And of course, I showed my ID, which I had around my neck. And I literally ran out of breath into the White House, past the Marine Corps guard who always salutes and up the stairs. And just flop down in my chair. And literally, Ollie, 10 to 15 seconds after I did this, the door to Dr. Martin Anderson's office opened. And he literally whispered to me, come in here, don't say a word, close the door. And I did that. And of course, he looked ash and faced. And he, everything was very urgent. He sat me down in a chair. He said, I'm putting you in charge of the domestic policy staff. Reagan has been shot. He's at the White House. Don't tell anyone yet. Turn on the television. Turn it on to, I believe he said CNN. Anyway, I turned on the TV in his office, a pretty large screen. And he said, I'm going to tell everyone, I'm going to tell my deputy at Gray to have everyone come into my office. I want you to be sitting in my desk, chair. And then I'm going to come in after a few minutes. I'm going down to the situation room in the basement of the White House. And I will be the domestic end of things here in the White House in the administration, tracking what's happening. And I will keep you posted. And I did that. I did that. And Dr. Anderson went down to the situation room. I don't know what was happening down there, except for the famous, what you now know about Alexander Hague, until Vice President Bush, who was on a plane and had his plane had to turn around and come back to Washington, D.C. And in the meantime, Alexander Hague was in charge. And of course, his famous saying, I'm in charge here. That's all he meant that he was in charge of the situation room. And that was really blown up against him unfairly. But anyway, so here we are. And I was sitting in my boss's office above the Oval Office, knowing what had happened, very much afraid, not only for Reagan, but for the country, already suspecting George Bush's senior, frankly, when everyone came into the office, into Marty's office and closed the door, there were about maybe a dozen of us in the domestic policy staff in the West Wing. And it wasn't long before Dr. Anderson came back up, about after 20 minutes. We were watching the TV. And of course, it was now known what had happened on the television. And the door opened. Dr. Anderson came in. He stood there ashen faced. And there was a pause. And he said, Jim Brady, who was the White House press secretary, he said, Jim Brady is dead. And I looked at him from his own seat, his own desk chair across his own desk. He was standing just inside the door, pretty big office. And we were all, we'd all turn around looking at him for the latest update to see if Reagan was alive. And when we heard that, I looked at him and I don't know where it came from, Ollie. But I just looked him in the eye and I said, no, Marty, he's not dead. Go check again. And he looked at me. If you had ever known Dr. Anderson, you do not question Dr. Anderson, especially in front of his entire staff. But this information came from some higher source. And he looked at me, but he knew that about me. This is the reason I had earned the first ever accredited graduate degree in consciousness studies in the world because of my life experience in this regard. Anyway, he looked at me. He knew that about me. He looked at me. And suddenly, at the beginning, he looked angry like he was going to fire me on the spot. And then something came over him as well. And he said, oh, all right, I'll go check. And he went back down to the situation immediately about 10 minutes later. He came back, walked in the door. He was beaming with light. And he said, Jim Brady is alive. Wow. He had been brained for 45 minutes. We were told. I must say, I got a little confused when you said he was dead because I never heard that he died. So he was not really happy. But not really. Yes, it was an amazingly historic moment. And interestingly, there were people who came to me in the next few days who were from his staff. Who knew this about my background? And one of Marty's top aides, his name was Kevin. Came to my desk a few days later when we knew that Reagan would survive. But he was, of course, extremely injured. And there was going to be a major recovery, which went on for at least a month as I recall. And also for Jim Brady. And no one who was shot, including one of the Secret Service agents, died. Three people were shot. And of course, Hinckley was the allegedly lone assassin. I don't believe he was the only one. But anyway, one of one of President Reagan's and my boss, Dr. Martin Anderson's top aides named Kevin, came to me a few days later when we knew everyone was going to be okay. But there would be a long period of recuperation and recovery. He came to be announced if he could go out to dinner with me. And we did that. And over that dinner, again, this is some kind of higher information. He said to me, he said, you know, Barbara, I've been talking to a lot of people here. And we believe that there's something about you that saved the President. Now I should tell you that not long before that, my father died unexpectedly. And my friend Kevin actually said to me that the moment Reagan was shot, and we learned he had survived. The first thing that came into my mind was your father dying so unexpectedly, that he believed, I'm not claiming this, that he believed there was some kind of a connection. I have no idea, Ollie. But my experience is really very personal during that period of time. Powerful, very powerful, and very beautiful as well. But you said that when this happened, you suspected Bush right away. Yes. Was that just by intuition, or was there anything else? Was there things signs that was coming up to this point? Well, of course, of course, there's always both intuition or your gut instinct, whatever you want to call it. You know, having a graduate degree in parapsychology, not only parapsychology, but also experimental psychology. And having studied human and nonhuman primate communication for a very long time at Stanford University with some of the best professors and scholars in the world, we know that these so-called instincts or intuitions, they're a function of your right hemisphere, 95% of us. But of course, there was also my very well developed left hemisphere analysis, and I'm a very informed person. And it wasn't long after, so yes, it was intuition, but it was instant intuition. And following that, it wasn't long before the mainstream media was reporting. It was a blip and it went away pretty soon, but it was immediately reported that, and it's in my book, October, Surprise, towards the end, it was immediately reported by the mainstream media after the assassination attempt. That was, I just got to know that my internet connection is, quote, unstable. So hopefully we will be able to continue here. In any case, what I was going to say is immediately after the assassination attempt, within 24 hours, as I recall, anyway, it's checkable on the way back that the mainstream media reported that Vice President Bush's one of his sons was prescheduled to have what appeared to be a celebratory dinner that night with Hinckley's brother, with the assassin's brother. And not only that, but the assassin, the alleged solo assassins father, was the individual very high up in the Republican party who had actually nominated Bush, proposed Bush senior for the Vice Presidential running mate for Reagan. So it was all too tight, all very much too tight. And again, who benefits? Who would have benefited from Reagan being assassinated that morning, that horrible, that horrible noon, new time? I think it's important to point out that I think maybe some listeners are not aware, but George Bush's senior as a young man was actually the paymaster for an also secret hit team called Operation 40, which was deeply taking very big part of the assassination of JFK. He was on location as was Nixon and many other high people. A daily plaza. So yeah. Yeah, he was present in Dallas that day at the class there. Yeah. Yes. And also, I mean, we're talking about weird connections with the Hinckley family, but also he was with Bin Laden family when 9-11 happened. And he- a Bin Laden family member, yes, with a Carlisle group meeting. Yeah. So it's like, in my world, he is a super, super, super criminal person. Absolutely. I believe he is the criminal person on the planet. And you know, he's he's he's probably not going to be around too much longer. Just yesterday, or maybe it was this morning, I don't know if it's brand new. I believe it is, but I received an email with a link. I haven't opened it yet. I'm claiming that a new cache of documents has been released CIA documents or some kind of documents. I have to go there to the effect that proving that Bush, when he was CIA director, when he took over a CIA director right after another coup, which is called Watergate, where they got rid of Nixon, right? And immediately- Lincol hear so once every time. Who immediately put who George Bush Sr. is headed the CIA, and he started destroying documents. And I just got the link with the proof that he in fact did destroy all those MK-Ultra and other Hitler Nazi-related documents or at least stashed them away someplace probably in his own basement right in Houston. But anyway, yes, he is he is one of the if not the I used to call them the spider in the middle of the deep state web. Yes. And that is also my impression after all of these years. And I spoke many times with Chip Tate and who is a CIA whistleblower who was- A very courageous person. Sorry. He's a very courageous person. Yes, I very much respect not what he did during his career. I cannot accept that, but I truly respect his courage for standing up and exposing what he's been part of. And I asked him about Bush Sr. because he was actually the commander of an ultrasonic hit team called Pegasus under the direct control of George Bush Sr. being taken part of at least 17 assassinations in the Western world. And I asked him about Bush. And he said Bush that he interacted with a lot. I mean, he flew him into many different countries and he was delivering drugs to Clinton and Bush and Mina and so personally. And so he said that Bush Sr. was one of if not the most intelligent person he ever met with a very strategic- I'm sure that's true, but he's using it for evil. And he also said he was by far the most evil person he ever met. And that comes from a person with a military background who's been surrounded by assassins and killers and soldiers of fortune his whole life. So to say a thing like that that sort of gives me chills down the back. So this is why I can I ask you you as being so intuitive and sensitive when you are close to him Bush, what was the feeling sort of like that you got? I've always been interested in if I met such a person, how would I react and so on. Well, you know, that's very interesting. I'd like to back up for a moment. If you'll remember that question, I do want to answer it, but there was something you just said that's important for me to bounce off of. I just wanted to make it clear like with people like Chiptatan who did hate his things when they were in the government, the military intelligence complex, whatever you want to call it. They detained his things and then when they got out suddenly they found their conscience. That's not good enough. What the reason that there was 10 days, 10 days of escalating national and international publicity when I resigned from the Reagan White House Justice Department on national television. I resigned publicly live on either the today's show or good morning America. I can't remember which one one of the two. And the reason there was so much publicity for so long and it kept escalating and shook the foundations of the Reagan Bush senior White House and administration was because I was still in the job. I had the courage to resign and tell the truth while I was still in the position, the official position. And when I retired, when I resigned, excuse me, 10 days later or a few days later, the publicity ended when KAL 007 was finally shut out of the sky and there was another subject for the mainstream media in the whole world to focus on. When that happened, time magazine, as I recall, it was timer news week. I'm almost certain time, but one of the two. They did a two-page article on my resignation, my public resignation, as a top political appointee. And I learned myself after they had done the historical research and background research in the first paragraph or two of that article in one of our mainstream magazines in the United States, top magazines. I learned that no one in the executive branches of federal government had had the courage or had for whatever reason resigned publicly and criticized a sitting president since, guess what year? 1946. I was going to say 1792 or something like that. 1789. I was like Dorothy and I as I still am, that's my personality. I mean, I don't, there's, I really do, it's in my DNA. I'm an egalitarian and these people are all authoritarian hierarchicalists. I really think there are two kinds of people on the planet and that we're kind of wired that way. We're either egalitarians and we tend to be on the democratic side of things and progressive or authoritarian and people like Chip Tatum and George Bush see you there, they're wired to be authoritarian. It's like the ultimate was Adolf Hitler and it's not a coincidence that George Bush seniors was his grandfather, right? It was his father's grandfather was a father. It was Hitler's banker in New York. You know? It's Prescott Bush. Prescott Bush Jr. I believe. Prescott's father. His father. His father was, yes, George Bush seniors father. Let me involve with the dollar banker in New York. Yeah, together with the Dallas Brothers, Alan Dallas and John Foster. Yes, who one of them came ahead of the CIA, big surprise, you know, and the CIA headquarters outside of Washington, E.C., in Langley, Virginia, is the George Bush senior, the George HW Bush CIA headquarters. What can you say? Okay, so remind me of your next question. My question was how did you, since you are so intuitive and sensitive physically and to energies and so on, how when you got close to George Bush senior, what I mean, how when you looked into his eyes and you saw a smile and what was your feeling, what was your experience? Well, I can tell you the time and it's actually captured on a photograph. If I could find it, I'm not saying I can find it quickly, but the next time I come across it, if I still have it, I do somewhere, that might take months to come across it, but there's a photograph of him that was taken by the White House photographer when he first came in contact with me. And it was actually the same few, oh, I don't know, the same hour or so, that the photograph was taken by the White House photographer on the back of my book October Surprise, where I'm standing there with Bush and, and, and, President Reagan in the cabinet room. So this was in the cabinet room, but it was, it was after that photograph was taken and there was a kind of more informal gathering of the people who were in the cabinet room. And Vice President Bush senior was there. And there's a photograph of him standing to my, well, it would have been to my left, that it looks like to my right. And my God, the way he's looking at me, it makes you feel he was, there was something about me that he was zeroing in on and trying to understand at many levels. And I actually, I, I, I can't tell you that I had chills, but I knew that this was not a person I wanted to be physically around ever. But when I actually saw that photograph in the White House photographer would, it was wonderful. He would come around to your desk and bring you these wonderful, black and white, eight and a half by 11 glossy photographs of whatever you were in as a White House staffer for your own use. And one of those is on the back of my book, October Surprise. But when I look at that photograph, because I was making a point not to look in his eyes. But he was trying to get me to do that. I knew that and I wouldn't do it. And, and when I looked at the photograph, I thought, it's as if he's studying a bug in a jar. He was trying to figure me out. There was something about me that he had never come in, apparently, come into contact with before. I was sitting there. I say that my book, October Surprise, marshals the evidence that George Bush seen your committed high treason. And at the time that my book came out, which was right after he became president, by the way, he became president on January 20, 1989. My book came out on May 12, 1989. And Marshall the evidence that George Bush senior had committed high treason by cutting a secret and treasonous deal with the Chomeini regime in Iran, then holding our 52 hostages to delay their release for another 400 or so days, whatever, not 400 another about three months until Reagan and Bush got into the White House and had the power to send and we now know at least $5 billion worth of secret arms through the Israelis to the Iranians to delay the release of the hostages. And they, of course, were released the moment. Interestingly, that Reagan and Bush senior took the oath of office on January 20, 1981. And at the time my book was published, I was accusing the sitting president and marshalling the evidence that he committed high treason, the statutory punishment for which in our law to this day is execution. I just want to let the listeners take the time just to let this thing in. The courage and integrity it has taken for you to be publishing a book against the person you see as the most even on a kingping in this whole international global crime syndicate sitting as president and still releasing this book. I salute you, Barbara. I really, really do that is some achievement. Well, what they say is angels Russian or fools Russian where angels fear to tread. I think you've been surrounded by angels, though. I think you have been surrounded by angels. Otherwise, you wouldn't have been still around. Well, you have to ask about chiptator. He's still around too, isn't he? It's interesting. Yeah, but he has a lot what is called, what he calls insurance, Colby, William Colby, the CIA director. He was the one that recruited him as a 19 year old. And he took him under his wings. And he said when Bush came in and Colby was stepping down, he said that listen, son, there's this very evil person coming in and you need to get yourself some heavy insurance. Otherwise, you you will be taken out. And he's Colby, Colby was taken out. That's what I say. And he told chip, it's too late for myself. I know my time is that my days are counted, but you still have a chance. So from that day on, chips started, you know, mounting cameras inside the planes when he was flying in and out with the drugs and weapons and so on. And also he says he has some material that's very, very heavy material against Bush and Clinton. Because it came to a point in 92 where I think it was 92 where Bush senior got very upset with Ross Perot that was going to run. Oh, yes. And so he threatened to rush Ross Perot's daughter. Exactly. Bush commanded the chip to terminate Ross Perot. And that came just to a point where chip exploded and said, I refuse to do this. Absolutely. No way. It had just come to a point where he couldn't take it anymore. And then they wanted to kill him right away. But that is when he said, before you do that, please have a look. And then he showed the evidence he has against them, which is hidden in like eight different places globally, which would be. Did he say who he showed it to? Sorry. Did chips say he showed whom he showed the evidence to? Bush senior for sure. Oh. Then I know. And so they backed off, but they made a deal that he had to take a prison sentence to discredit himself. But they would let him stay alive. And but I tell you, it's interesting because it's now in April when there's this the gag he's been equipped with by from the court is being released. I think it's April. It's April 2017. Which may put him in a bit of a dangerous situation, I would say, but also in a fantastic position because from now on, he has no legal blockages anymore that stops him from speaking out. Because he says hopefully, you know, Bush senior isn't going to live very much longer. And hopefully when that time comes for chip, that he has, I'm sure he probably has an agreement with the at least eight parties who are holding this evidence against Bush senior that if something were to happen to chip or he doesn't check in every week at a certain time, that it will be released. And it certainly can be released once Bush senior passes that that is the setup, you know, that is what has kept him alive because they sure would have liked him dead many, many times. And they just make explicit for your viewers and listeners that we're talking about George Bush senior. Now you've just heard that Chiptade and one of his Pegasus operations assassins was asked was ordered actually by Bush senior to kill Ross Perot who was then rival Republican candidate for the Republican nomination. And that Chiptade and thought that that was oversliding. It was okay for Chipt to kill lower level persons, right? But let me just point out that this is the same George Bush senior who my intuition as well as the mainstream reporting the day or two after the Reagan assassination attempt when George Bush senior was vice president and the major beneficiary of the assassination of president Reagan, that this is the same man who you think he didn't order someone to take Reagan out who is then president? Of course, he did. In my according to my research what I found out is that he was behind the Watergate Agri to get rhythm Nixon. Yeah, Nixon was set up for that. He was, yeah, that was it was an attempt of a coup or actually it was a coup. It was a coup. He had Len Kaladny's book Silent Coo. In fact, it's the best book on Watergate. Everyone should read it. It's a very good title. I have written a book about the assassination of all of parliament which Bush was also involved in big time connected to the Holy Round Contras and international legal arms. Which is uncovered in my book. Exactly. And my one is called coup d'état in slow motion. Oh, yeah. So the silence. That was all our promise. That was in all that slow. No, but the way that they in Sweden that they carried it out there, you know, like in some countries with a military coup you can do it overnight. But in a country like Sweden you have to sort of persuade people to believe in that nothing actually happens. They did it in slow motion instead and to go with the country that way. Yeah. Now I understand. In my book October surprise, one of the at that time anonymous I had in order to get the information. I had to agree to not reveal the identity, but the identity has now been revealed. An operative as CIA and Pentagon intelligence operative named Oswald the Winter. At least that's the name he is known by by most people who are in this field. Oswald the Winter was one of the three top sources for my book October surprise. Well, one of many, but one of the three that I could not name at the time. I can't name them all. They've now been made public by other other October surprise researchers who published years after I did. My book was the first by at least three years before the next one. But Oswald the Winter told me and it's in my book that the moment that Olaf Palm died that that George Bush senior was either I forget it's in my book. He was either called or he called someone and said the tree has been felt. Palm meaning a pun on a palm tree. The tree has been felt. It was actually three days before the assassination where three days before. Yeah it was from the P2 large in Italy. Yeah. It's on a lodge on the Littio Gello. Yeah. He sent to a very close associate to Bush saying the Swedish tree will be fell in. We'll be felt. Yeah. Okay, well Oswald the Winter told me that after he died it was confirmed that Bush was told the tree has been filled. I'm sure I'm sure they confirmed it after it was done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would be it would be great things. We only have about 15 minutes a little bit left to go. Maybe we can unless you have other burning questions. I know you have a lot. But I'd like to I'd like to make explicit for people the parallels between what is happening right now in the United States, which is a true constitutional crisis with all the evidence that's pouring out every single day now, even in the mainstream media with at least four independent invest parallel investigations of the evidence for Trump campaign collusion with the Russians to hijack our democracy in the last 2016 November election. The parallels of that with the October surprise. I just like to make that explicit for people before we end here. No, please continue. I would be very interesting to get you a take on Trump and and what actually happened there. Well, of course, I'm not on the inside of the Trump campaign. Thank God. I was on the inside of the the Reagan Bush senior campaign. By the way, I was also the national coordinator for women for the Jesse Jackson presidential campaign. And that was right after I resigned publicly on national television from the Reagan Bush senior White House and Justice Department back in 1983. I then became then presidential candidate in 1994 Jesse Jackson's national coordinator for women. Because I had resigned over the Reagan Bush senior administrations were against women, women's rights in this country, which is still going on. Witness the massive, the massive demonstrations of the so-called women's marches around the world, especially in Washington, D.C. One day after Trump's inauguration speech. So anyway, I just wanted to make clear that it's not just the Reagan Bush senior administration I've been in or campaign also Jesse Jackson. And I was also the elected congressional district coordinator here in the central coast of California for Ross Perot's United We Stand America. And then I've run for Congress here in the central coast of California congressional district 20 twice, including just this past June in the primary where I was the Bernie Sanders independent here. I didn't win because I was running against, it was a for a day in conclusion, obviously politically. I was running against none other than Leon Pineda's son, Jimmy Pineda, who was the sole Democratic candidate and we're a 75% voting Democratic congressional district, which is a good thing. And Jimmy's a very guy. But it was clear Leon Pineda, who was of course the CIA director and also Secretary of Defense under President Obama, there was little little chance that any of the rest of us were going to be to him in the election. But I ran a very strong campaign. I was number three out of five candidates. I was the number one ranking vote getter on the independent side. And I used the campaign to get out a huge amount of 9-11 truth information into the mainstream media here, including the front pages of our papers and drive time radio. It was incredible what I was able to accomplish. And of course all my radio ads. But anyway, getting back to what's happening now in the United States in the last 10 minutes or so, because it's so vitally important. First, let me say without going into the details because I know what you know from reading the mainstream press and mainstream media television in our country and following international press as well. I should say that I don't know anything from the inside. But I'm very smart. I'm very informed and I put together all of the dots very, very well. There is no question in my mind whatsoever. A hundred percent that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. To defeat Hillary Clinton, which by the way, I'm glad for, but I wasn't for Trump either. They were both extremely dangerous for different reasons. Hillary Clinton was more likely to get us into a hot war with Russia. But Trump's top White House strategist and advisor Steve Vannon has gone public. It was in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal just a couple of weeks ago. He went public saying that it was inevitable that the United States would be at war with China in five to ten years. Of course, they're hoping that that would be during a second Trump administration, which would go for eight years. So take your pick. You want to go to war with Russia with Hillary, or do you want to go to war with China with Trump? Okay, so I was against both of them. So I want to make that clear. But anyway, so there's no question in my mind that the Trump campaign in Russia colluded actively through the persons of the campaign manager and longtime friend of Donald Trump, Paul Manafort. Paul Manafort also happens to have a flat, a condominium or apartment in Trump tower in New York City, which we now know was surveilled. It was surveilled by the FBI and the NSA precisely because the top Trump campaign officials and for all we know Trump himself, probably not for plausible deniability on his part. But Paul Manafort, the campaign manager, Roger Stone, who was one of the top advisors to the Trump campaign and was for two decades, at least, the partner in Manafort and Stone, Black Manafort and Stones, dirty trickster, so-called lobbying firm in Washington, D.C. with Paul Manafort. Roger Stone has, we now have proof that he was in communication with Joseph or 2.0, who has been identified as being a Russian military intelligence operative, who was hacking into the DNC and other Democratic Party organizations. And also we know that we have 16 of his communications that have now been made public between Roger Stone, top Trump friend for years. They had the same mentor, Ray Cohn, who happened to be the mentor to none other than McCarthy, of redvading McCarthy and the Red Scare here in the United States. So Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, long time, two decades, lobbying partners and dirty tricks partners for the Republican Party. Roger Stone even calls himself the Republican Party's hitman. So in the context of George Bush's senior, you have to wonder what hitman really refers to, and not just dirty tricks maybe. So Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, the campaign manager and many other persons, including horribly, the Attorney General of the United States, were Jeff Sessions, now Attorney General for Trump. We're in communication with the Russian ambassador, and we could go on and on and on. This information was saved, these even transcripts of these NSA and the Fiscal Court taps, the captured as they say, the Trump campaign top officials on the other end of phone conversations and email communications, probably also, with the top dirty tricksters and hackers for the Russian military intelligence and top oligarchs directly connected to Putin, et cetera, et cetera, and the Russian ambassador throughout the campaign and the transition. These transcripts have been salted, if you will, seated throughout the different branches of the United States government, and they're now in the hands, we know of the Democrats who are on these House and Senate Intelligence Committee investigations of the Trump Russia collusion. I frankly do not believe that Trump will last very long. In fact, after being briefed by FBI director Komi in a classified briefing to the top members of the Senate Intelligence Committee about a week ago, the ranking top Democratic member of the Senate Intelligence Committee Diane Feinstein, one of our two Senators here in California in the US, came out to the microphone in the hall in the Senate building and she was asked, now that you've seen and been fully brief by FBI director Komi and this was before he testified and acknowledged the ongoing official investigation by the FBI through the Fiscal Court and also NSA taps only a few days ago, I think this past Monday. So she comes out in the hall and she's asked by one of the members of the press, so now that you've seen this information, I know you can't tell us the details, but do you believe that they could rise to the level of President Trump being impeached? And her answer, her very immediate answer was, I think that President Trump will take himself out like Nick and I add, like Nixon did. There's they have too much on him. And the Republicans are trying to use their illegitimate office of the presidency to push through as many really heinous Republican policies as they can while they're still in this illegitimate office. So that's what's happening in the United States right now. And let me just make explicit for people that the last time that a US presidential campaign colluded with what is being called a hostile foreign power. Now I don't believe Russia is, however, that's what they're being called by our mainstream media. The last time that a US presidential campaign colluded, secretly colluded with a hostile foreign power was the October surprise. And that was when the Comaini regime was still at that time in October 1980 during the campaign between the Reagan Bush senior campaign on the Republican side and President Carter's White House. So it was legitimately trying to get our 52 hostages home. The Reagan Bush campaign in the person of George Bush senior himself and then campaign director William Casey soon to become not surprisingly the CIA director for CIA director. Yes, what? Under Reagan and Bush senior when they gained the White House illegitimately and illegally because of the October surprise. We now know that they cut this secret and treasonous deal with the Comaini regime to delay the release of the hostages in exchange for a promise of arms once they gained power and we know that those did flow at least five billion dollars of them most of them through the Israeli intermediaries only the very tip of the iceberg of these at least of these billions of dollars of illegal arms flowing to Iran throughout the mid the early to mid 1980s were finally revealed the tip of the iceberg arms in the so-called October surprise Iran contra-arm shipments which were only a few hundred million dollars worth of that billions of dollars of huge iceberg under the water which is exposed in my book October surprise. So this is not the first time by any means that a Republican and let me underline they're always Republicans that the Republican campaigns which simply cannot win otherwise without pulling these illegitimate dirty tricks. It's not the this Trump campaign Russian collusion is by no means the first time that a Republican campaign has colluded with a foreign power to effectively seal a US presidential election. It happened in the October surprise and before that it happened when none other than the same person one of the same top officials in the Republican Reagan Bush senior campaign Richard Vialan who was the chief national security advisor to Reagan and then he came his first national security advisor in the White House. He actually was the intermediary for Nixon for the for the dirty tricks where where Nixon sent Richard Vialan to interfere with with the Paris Peace negotiations in Paris by Johnson. So the Republicans routinely steal elections. They Bush seniors behind assassination attempts of Ross Perot and I'm certain that he was behind the assassination attempt of President Ronald Reagan with whom I worked at the time and had great respect for. Listen, Barbara we're coming to the end and I really really want to thank you for taking the time. I hope that you might consider coming back on this show because there's so many different areas so many questions I would like to ask you but I've got one question that I ask all my guests and I hope you won't be offended because in. Well, we'll see. Because in these days I mean there's so much information disinformation people trust for the people and absolute plants. So my question to all my guests and to you included is how can we know that you are not part of controlled opposition? Oh my god. What they did to me number one. I mean I was I was a person in on grata. I was attacked by the Reagan Bush senior White House. Oh my god they tried to destroy my life. When I left the Reagan Bush White House and resigned publicly from the Reagan Bush administration and then I came back to California after 10 days of international publicity. When I came back to California I was reduced as you will. I had to I'm not a wealthy person. I have like everybody else had to have a job. I ran I would take jobs doing writing or administrative jobs sometimes with with temporary employment agencies and I even ran Ben breakfast in here in the central coast of Monterey beautiful place you should come and at the end of the three weeks which is usually excuse me three months which is usually when you are when if you're placed with a temporary agency your boss decides well are we going to keep you or not then they have to pay a little bit of money to the temporary agency and then you're permanent. There would be these two obvious FBI guys just sitting in the hall with their shiny black shoes and they would go in and talk to the boss and I wouldn't be hired. Now the miracle is the miracle is that in 1995 in the winter of 1995 I was again just looking for any job to pay my rent while I was by the way doing some very important work on my book October Surprise which was then published in 1989 right after Bush senior became president. However by a true miracle and it's what gets me to where I am today in my life. I simply looked in the Monterey herald our local paper for the next job because I couldn't hold one it would no fall of my own it was being interfered with by clearly by our government which was then headed by George Bush senior. I applied for a job that was advertised in our local paper and it was for a journalist for the Naval Postgraduate School and I was hired. I was hired and once you are a federal employee you almost have to assassinate the president's daughter on live television in order to lose your job and I held that position because I'm a very good writer and investigator and everything was vetted of course all the way to the Pope for 16 years. Wow. Liz and Barbara has been an absolute pleasure they're very interesting and I really especially these personal experiences around the Reagan the assassination and also your experience of Bush that has been very interesting for me personally and well I really wish that one day you would like to come back until then thank you so so much. Thank you I look forward to the link to this show.