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Okay folks on behalf of Project A's International I'd like to thank you for coming to this press conference. Dr. Wilner, MDEP, HG, will be giving an explanation in just a moment on what we're doing here. What he will be doing is our volunteer who is Kim Prius, who is an HIV positive individual. Today Dr. Wilner will be infecting himself. He will first explain what he will be doing as well as why he will be doing. Directly after his inoculation, Dr. Wilner will be explaining any questions that you have. There will be a question and answer period. And I would like to take this opportunity to welcome Dr. Wilner. Hey Kim. I don't know if you can hear me without the mic. I can hear it. And because I've done this needle sticking several times already, I'm familiar with some of the things that are put into the press afterwards. And so I want to make a few things very clear before I even start. I have a certificate in sex education and I taught for a couple of years at the University of Miami Medical School during sex education week two the medical students. I want to make it perfectly clear that I support responsible sex. I call it responsible sex because it goes much further than the concept of safe sex. And I'm not so sure that I know what safe sex is. During this period of time in which the especially young people of this country have been threatened with AIDS, a death dealing disease supposedly. As a consequence of irresponsible sexual behavior, the incidence of an aerial disease has climbed and the incidence of births without benefit of marriage has also climbed but not AIDS. Really very interesting. So this apparently does not have an effect on the sexual behavior of our young people. And I never for once thought that ever would, that never has throughout history, there's only one thing that will affect sexual behavior. And that's understanding what the responsibilities of sex are. That number one, you're dealing with the feelings and emotions and the lives of another human being when you enter into a sexual contract. Number two, you can contract six venereal diseases. And number three, an unwanted pregnancy can occur amongst heterosexuals at least. These are very serious and very important considerations. And a lack of consideration and responsibility in this area creates a cost in human suffering that's incalculable and a cost in monies that is incredible. So don't anyone out there say that I am for irresponsible sex. I am against lying to our young people. I am against causing death and destruction through that lie. I am against telling a lie to the young people so that they continue in other behaviors which are truly causing AIDS. Now you've got to ask yourself the reason that I'm here today. And it's been suggested that I'm here to sell a book called Deadly Deception. There's only two ways that you can get the truth to people. By your own words out of your own mouth and by putting them on paper. And that's the reason for the book. We're talking about probably the most horrible scandal and scam ever perpetrated, not only in the name of science but in humanity and in all history. Today is December 7th. And I was 12 years old when the attack on Pearl Harbor came. And I remember World War II very well. And it's a very significant day today because I see an incredible parallel between what is going on in the so-called AIDS epidemic and what happened in the years proceeding and resulting in World War II. The great lie of Hitler. It's amazing. I think he would envy the job being done by members of the National Institutes of Health and even the media, especially in this country. I charged the media with part of the responsibility and a very significant one in a current holocaust that can end up being worse than the one that occurred during World War II. When it was first announced that Dr. Robert Gallo had found the virus that probably caused AIDS and that announcement was made with Margaret Heckler in 1984 to the press and to the media without one single scientific document appearing in any journal in the United States. And as we know now, without any proof whatsoever that the virus caused any disease, the media picked up on it for the sake of a story. And soon the virus that probably caused AIDS was now the virus that caused AIDS, it was proven in the press and nowhere else. Now, it's interesting. A lot of questions are asked of me whenever I appear before the cameras and do what some people have called a stunt to sell books. I'm from the planet Earth. I honestly believe that these individuals are from the planet, Uranus. How anyone could suggest that I would stick myself with a virus that is supposedly deadly for the purpose of selling a book that's complete insanity. And I will put the lie through the individuals of the NIH, particularly Gallo and Falsi and Hazelthine and Essex and the rest of these scoundrels of the worst order. Criminals guilty of genocide without a doubt. I invite them to take me to court. I wish Burrows welcome would take me to court because they have been putting out a killer drug knowingly. Because in a court of law, I would have the opportunity to provide the absolute proof and evidence as I have in my book, Deadly Deception. Now, I'm not alone in what I'm doing here today. How does the press escape such obvious truths? Why would the finest virologist in the world, the most noted virologist, member of our National Academy of Sciences, Peter Duzberg? Why would he put his entire career on the line? What did he have to gain? He's already lost his laboratory and his funding. They can't take away his professorship because he's tenured. Why would a Charles A. Thomas professor emeritus of Harvard say the same thing? Why would Carrie Mullis, who won the Nobel Prize in virology last year? Why would he stick his neck out? What did he have to gain? These are the questions reporters should be asking. And in order to sell a book, I would inoculate myself with a virus that supposedly is deadly. Everything that maybe we all know something that you just don't get, that if you take the virus out of the equation, you have a perfectly understandable disease with a perfectly understandable answer. And I might remind you, in case you are not aware of it, and if you haven't read my book, that we have known what causes acquired immune deficiency diseases for at least 70 years. It's in the medical textbooks. It's there for you to read. The level one cause on the face of this earth is non-nutrition and starvation. That's African. Look to the headlines of the October 3rd issue of the London Times, Sunday Times last year. And the inside headlines that screamed across two pages, the plague that never was. Speak to Philip and Evelyn Crinon, who head part Taj with an organization of 250 people, their own hospital, their own doctors, their own laboratories, who have lived in the heart of the epidemic, supposedly, or the supposed epidemic, for five years. There is no epidemic. It doesn't exist. They are there. They're not some character who goes through from the World Health Organization and says, oh, I've seen the people dying. Of course you have. We all saw them on television in Somalia. What do you think you were looking at? That was AIDS. Do the starvation. Do the malnutrition. It's no big secret what's causing AIDS. We've known it for 70 years. Number two is drugs. And don't just think of street drugs. Because the number one cause of AIDS today is actually two medical drugs, AZT, a drug that was discovered in the 60s as a chemotherapy drug for cancer and was shelled because it was too toxic to treat cancer. A drug worse than cancer is being to use to treat people who are immunosuppressed. Now let's go back to the other causes of AIDS. So it's not only street drugs, but medical drugs, but now three is radiation. What do they worry about? It's Chernobyl and Nagasaki and Hiroshima. What number four is chemotherapy? Number four. The number four cause of death of acquired immune deficiency diseases. Chemotherapy. And the most toxic, chemotherapeutic drug of all times, AZT is what they're now using to treat AIDS. And the Concord study completed last year. Now can you imagine saying to the world, where worse is a press? Where are you people? Here they're giving a drug that costs thousands of dollars a year and it doesn't do any good. That's if you want to believe that. But did anybody here bother to look at the insert, the paper that comes with the drug? It's a DNA terminator. It means it is a terminator just like the movie. It terminates life. You terminate DNA. You terminate life. And they talk about side effects in the insert. When you're going to learn there is no such thing as a side effect in medicine, it's an unwanted direct effect. You know what one of the unwanted direct effects of AZT is? lymphoma, cancer, one of the diseases of AIDS as they call it. Oh, another so called side effect, which is really an unwanted direct effect. Pan cytopenia. You need a definition? Pan cytopenia. Pan, all cytosels. Pan cytopenia, loss of all your cells. That's AIDS. That is the definition of AIDS. So AZT by definition, by their own drug insert, causes AIDS and nobody survives AZT. That will eventually lead to your death and they've cut the dosage way down because it was killing them too fast. It's like giving somebody a large dose of strict nine and they die within five minutes. So the next person, you give them a few drops of it and they last four or five days and you say, strict nine is a wonderful drug. This person lasts five times longer. This is the kind of thing that they present to the world. Now I have offered it for over a year now and I continue to offer it. One hundred thousand dollars to anyone who will give me one scientific document that proves that HIV causes any serious disease. It doesn't. It is a scandal and a scam beyond belief. The virologists who are responsible for this, what do they have to gain? Now I don't know what Ducebury had to gain or Charles A. Thomas or Carrie Mullis. He already got his Nobel Prize. Why does he come out and say it? And he's the one that found the test, the PCR reaction. And he said that there is nobody of evidence that supports that the virus causes any disease, whatsoever. But what about the individuals who have perpetrated this lie? They are all multi-millionaires. What do we have to say about the National Institute's health when a private laboratory, independent laboratory, found AZT to be one thousand times more toxic than the laboratory of the NIH. We can understand a 5% error in a laboratory, even a 10% error. But a 10,000% ever? A hundred thousand percent error? That's fraud. And as I understand that the word has gone out and there's even documents and letters to prove it, that the CDC, the same organization, that blacks go untreated with syphilis, well documented, just to see what would happen with the disease. This same organization who had to admit that they can't give in on the AIDS thing now, because nobody would ever be able to trust the government. I think the last election tells us what the people think about government. But science is acting no differently than politicians do. And now we have disease by politics. Isn't it strange that the same day or the day after Robert Gallo filed for a test for HIV after it was announced? This sounds like free meditation. You mean he just happened to have this test available? And so the same day or the following day, he filed for a patent? He had a test. He was simply looking for some kind of a disease he wanted to apply it to. And that test, 30,000 Russians who tested positive for HIV, were then tested with another test that supposedly far more accurate to confirm the positivity. And 66 out of 30,000 proved to be positive. That means that the test HIV is 99.997% inaccurate. You want to take a test that's 3,000% right, and you're going to rely on that, but that's what they're doing to people out there. They're taking a test that is not only invalid, it's totally misleading. In fact, when you get results like that, then I would say you're going to be more correct that if you're red as being negative, consider yourself positive. And if you're positive, consider yourself negative. By the way, at the request of many individuals, I did go for a test a couple of weeks ago in New York City at the biggest clinic there that does more testing than anybody else. And the doctor who ran it was bragging about the fact that he did more. When I told him about the book I wrote, he said, don't say anything. My patients might hear it. I test the negative. And of course, Falsy said that you need, when he was answering what I did in Cleveland a week ago, he said, well, he's going to have to stick himself 300 times to transmit the virus. Where are you people in the press? 300 times to transmit a virus? You cannot have an epidemic under those circumstances. If you can't transmit it by blood, you certainly can't transmit it sexually. Unless you're in such a real sadistic act during sex, I don't know how much blood you want to draw, it's literally unbelievable what they're getting away with. The child is the press let this go. Oh, an epidemic. United States government says 12,000 people died each year from 1985 to 1992. Now a child in public school will tell you an epidemic starts out in one year, you got everybody's involved. That's where they would put it. 12,000 a year for seven years in a row. That's not epidemic by definition. It's endemic. You would expect in seven years considering it spreads sexually, that you'd have probably 15 to 20 million, where a pretty active country when it comes to sex. We like to put it down, but we sure rely it and the behavior that we do. Oh, an epidemic really. In Russia, 105 deaths from AIDS since 1987. In Philippines, 80 deaths since 1984. Epidemics. There is no epidemic. But who has to gain from this, Dr. Duzberg? What is he gaining from this? That alone should alert the press to who's telling the truth. And if you hear an argument amongst politicians, and one calls the other names and doesn't answer the specific charges scientifically, who's the liar? Fauci and Gallo, instead of answering the scientific conflicts and contradictions, Dr. Duzberg has brilliantly pointed out, instead of answering them, they call them a homophob. Can you imagine? I've been called a homophob too. I wonder. I come here with a message of hope to not only the gaze, but to the blacks and the Hispanics and the all the other outcasts of society, which strangely enough are the only groups that have been connected with the so-called AIDS, because you see, if you belong to one of those groups, you've got AIDS. But if you don't belong to one of those groups, you get the respectable diagnosis of you have tuberculosis, you have lymphoma, you have leukemia, you have paposi sarcoma, you have a cystic pneumonia, 30 plus diseases. Where is the press? How do they buy a story that a virus knows what country it's in? Three symptoms in Africa, but 30 diseases in the United States and Europe. How do they buy the story that a virus has prejudices? It prefers men of a woman, nine to one in the United States and Europe, but men and women equally in Africa. It knows whether you're gay or straight, married or single, black or white. It should be hired by the immigration department because it does one heck of a job. This is what they've been feeding to the public, and this is what you and the press have published. Funny every time that I've stuck myself with a needle, I get calls from major television shows by excited young people who want to tell the truth. Then I get a call three days later telling me that it's been nixed at a higher level. That's no surprise. After all, who am I fighting? Two drug industries. One supposedly legitimate and the other illegitimate. And they do an awful lot of advertising, the supposedly legitimate ones. All those things out there that they sell for your calls and everything else, that's a pharmaceutical industry. And they also put out prescription drugs, most of them. And they pull the purse strings. And so we have a better propaganda machine in the United States than Hitler had in his time. You see, Hitler pulled off a lie and he was condemned for it by most of the world, although believed by three major groups of the Axis powers. The liars and killers like Falsy and Gallo and Hazelkine and Essex and Flossybunch-Tal and the market officials. These people are getting by with the lie and getting paid immense sums of money for it and praise from the rest of the world while they murder. The study at the University of Miami was completely fraudulent. You see, I believed that the virus caused AIDS from 1984 to 88. And I treated AIDS patients. One of the few doctors willing to. Doctors were scared for their lives to even treat patients. By the way, sticking my finger, nothing new. I did it lots of times in treating my AIDS patients. And in fact, it's amazing that, despite the fact that we are at such great exposure to this deadly disease, the incidence of the disease amongst medical personnel of all types is less than the general population. This is the first in history of science. Think about that. How is it possible? Maybe the virus has nothing to do with it. Not only maybe the virus has nothing to do with it. In 1988, I was invited to a dinner where Burrows Welcom was going to push AZT as a drug for treating AIDS. And we were told we could ask questions during the dinner because Margaret Fischel was going to be speaking. And once she mentioned that the drug AZT had 56 side effects, I raised my hand. And I said, Dr. Fischel, how do you do a double blind study on a drug with 56 side effects? You've got to know if you're on the drug. And she said to me, and the rest of the doctor sitting there, well, Clopolisibo had 31. And I raised my hand again. How could a placebo have 31 side effects? How could an inert substance have 31 side effects? I didn't know what was wrong then. But I knew there was something wrong. I knew there was something dreadfully wrong. And I didn't know how dreadfully wrong and how deadly wrong it was. But the answer came years later. The FDA, as you probably know, released AZT after four months of a proposed six-month study. They cut it short because one group in this double blind study where nobody knew who was on what. One group was doing better than another group. And so out of compassion, they terminated the study. I don't blame them for that. And sure enough, the AZT group was doing so much better than the placebo group. And so they released the drug. But then 18 months later, their own investigator from the FDA brought back his report and guess what it showed. The participants in the study knew the first week who was on the drug and who wasn't. You didn't have a double blind study. It wasn't the catalytic of studies. Not only did that, some of those on AZT admitted to sharing their drug with members of the placebo group. That explains the 31 side effects in a placebo group. Some of them were taking AZT side effects. But, and by the way, that makes it a complete washout as a scientific study. Right then and there, the drug should have been discontinued, called back. But then came the kicker in this report. The individuals on the AZT in the four months of the study received six times more blood transfusions than a placebo group. What happens when you get a blood transfusion? You look better, you feel better, and you live a little bit longer. But the most important question and lesson from all of this, you must ask the question, why the those on AZT need six times more transfusions in a four month period than the individuals on the placebo because you're dealing with a killer drug. And you need those blood transfusions to survive. And coincidentally, they made you look a little bit better and healthier than the other group. And then after I go through all this invariably, some of you are going to ask the question, so what really causes AIDS? And I have to say it ten times or twenty times in my book and I'm going to say it again now. We have known for seventy years why the other individuals in the study died. The number one cause is malnutrition and starvation. Well to an extent that was true, some of these individuals, but only true because of the second reason. The number two cause is drugs. You recall you fellows and gals and oppressed a couple of weeks ago, you reported in your newspapers that we were killing off our senior citizens with too many drugs. Now how do you cure them? You get them off the drugs. And how are these people dying of so-called AIDS from the number two cause drugs? Both medical and street drugs. But one in particular that stood out and has been linked by twenty four scientific papers with Kaposi Sarcoma and that's Poppers or Amel Nite Trite. It's very rare that you see a case of Kaposi Sarcoma in Africa because they don't use Poppers. And this is the first disease. Human disease we can't give to a semi-in-monkey. And I'm talking about legitimate diseases because you see the virologists have been coming up with more diseases than you can imagine. And haven't you bothered to notice most of them never pan out. They disappear from the headlines and they never heard of again because they weren't diseases really in the first place. Like SMOMN, a disease in Japan for fifteen years they pursued viruses. What it turned out to be, enter a biiform, a drug for diarrhea that they were using over there. Amazing isn't it? And they spent fifteen years and lots of millions of dollars but guess what our virologists have done. Wow, they hold a candle to no one. For twenty years in Nixon's war on cancer they spent over twenty billion dollars looking for a virus that caused cancer and they came up empty handed. They not only couldn't find a retro virus which was the ideal choice because it doesn't kill cells and it's multiplied by the cells which is what cancer cells do. But they never found any disease that it caused but guess what they chose for the scam of AIDS. A retro virus. Already twenty billion dollars and twenty years we found nothing that it does and we also found that absolutely it doesn't kill cells because if it did it would commit suicide. AIDS needs a cell in order to replicate to be alive. So the epidemic would be over before it began as impossible but this is the virus. They've just spent another twenty billion dollars in only ten years time and they're asking for more and now they want to give us a vaccine. See? Oh well they make money with that. They not only have a test for HIV which by the way is not for the virus. It's for immunity. Like I say it's the first disease in the history of medicine when you're immune to it you're going to die from it. But now they want to give us a vaccine. The test HIV. Test for antibodies not for the virus. Well antibodies is what you get when you use a vaccine. You want to produce antibodies to fight the disease. I'm at a loss to understand. If we already have the antibodies why do we want to create the antibodies? Kind of redundant doesn't it? Oh by the way if you take these very same antibodies and you put them in Gallows culture in his laboratory you just ruined his multi-million dollar culture. He's making a fortune out of it because you see these antibodies destroy your culture. Does the press bother reading? Do they understand the English language? And yet you want to condemn me and say that I'm alphabetical blessed. Well what is it that Peter Doosberg is out for? He held the reputation and still amongst honest scientists as being the foremost biologist in the world. What does Carrie Mullis out for? He just won the Nobel Prize. Why does he want to put at risk that incredibly marvelous reputation of being a Nobel Prize winner? Why would he put that at risk? Unless maybe there's still some honest scientists around. Now what about the rest of them out there? When I often asked them myself the question if my children were still in school and I had house payments to make and I had to put them through school etc. What I'd be doing what I'm doing today. I don't think I've ever answered the question because I'm kind of afraid of what I might answer if I was going to answer honestly and he used without sin shouldn't be casting any stones. So I won't cast the stones at the thousands and thousands of biologists out there who were going along with this scam because you see they would be out of jobs if they dared criticize Margaret Heckler or the heads of the NIH. They'd be out of jobs and they'd have families that they have to support and futures that would be down the drain you don't cross the establishment. And so the lie is being perpetuated by the silence. And even Gallo would say to the press and answer to the question what does he have to say about Doosberg's challenges and he says well if we're wrong why do so many people believe us? I mean I could just see Hitler and his stormtroopers saying to the press if we're wrong why does everybody do what we tell them to do because they're running the show and you're looking at not just a simple lie of science. From the back of my book I have the picture of Pedro Ticino, a Spain father of two young girls, a hemophiliac nothing wrong with the man but because he received so-called painted blood they had him on AZT. I stuck myself to get that man off AZT. I said if I stick myself with your blood we'll convince you there's nothing to worry about. Pedro Ticino now over a year later is very healthy having a wonderful life enjoying his two young daughters but all of his friends are dying or are dead. This is real and I don't blame those scientists out there keeping their mouth shut because their jobs depend on it and I understand that exists in the press too but you've got organizations and in a way so do the virologists have organizations and if enough of the honest ones would stand up and take that chance if you all stand together you make a statement and you can do that in your press associations even though the people who own the newspapers and the television shows are afraid of losing their sponsors you can at least keep your dignity that's the choice you have to make and that's the choice that I have had to make. I figured that if I didn't do what I knew was right I'd end up cutting my throat shaving in the morning because I wouldn't be able to live with myself and that's the honest simple truth. I am sticking my finger to bring attention to the current holocaust and it's a dreadful one. When you terminate the DNA of a human being they waste away and die in an inhuman fashion we all have the right to die with dignity but if we told them the truth a lot of them wouldn't die at all they'd simply get off the poppers and off the drugs and there's no dishonor in being gay and admitting that you've been on drugs. The decent human beings in this world will give you the support and help you like we help drug addicts of of all following so to speak. Those that would turn against you have turned against you anyway because of what you feel and what you are and there are even some religious groups who have turned against the gays and said it was God's vengeance. How can you believe in a loving God and believe that that God would cause such a terrible disease amongst humans? Now this is a man caused disease but we all make mistakes in life and that shouldn't stop the compassion and the love and the understanding of decent human beings. And so I do the act of sticking my finger and create another blood brother in my life as the ancient Indians have done and I will get another one today because I'm not afraid of getting aids. I know as a scientist that there is nothing to fear. I know what causes aids. I am not going to lie to others know myself about it. I don't like sticking myself with a needle because it hurts. And if you've ever seen my expression on pictures you know that to be true. So you know, hidden praetists. And, Gamer, you hear? We're going to become blood brothers. And please to the present to everyone else. I don't intend to stick myself 300 times because it wouldn't prove anything anyway. Oh I might say that a doctor got leab who achieved fame for being the doctor that noted the first four, five cases of AIDS. Who said to me on a radio broadcast the other night, he would believe me if I took a leader of blood. That's a transfusion of blood. And I said you know you must be mad. What is that going to prove? If you need a leader of blood to get aids then nobody's going to get aids. In any case. Well I got to do myself first and I don't have to do you. Yeah but let me do your finger. Okay. I mean I got to do you first. Right. Excuse me. Then I'm going to do me. Excuse me. I have that backwards. All right. 30 minutes. How to find it. This is as a heck of a time to lose my I need there we go. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen this is a typical butterfly needle set if somebody has a scissor. No I got it. Okay. It's sterile. And usually we use it to take blood by sticking this in and then we can eject things also. So let's do that. We got this. Okay. Yeah. Let me put my glasses on. Okay. I think you'd rather I do that. I got to tell you a cute little story shortly after my son was born many years ago. He's now 40. He got some kind of an infection or whatnot. And I spoke to pediatrician at the hospital. I was an intern at the time and he said go home and give him a shot of panacellum. So I took the syringen everything home and my wife held Bruce over her shoulder and I grabbed this little bottom cheek and I go like this and I stuck it right into my thumb. So careful. You can tell I don't like doing this. Never have that. Okay. Now we want to get a lot of blood. There we go. Okay. There we go. I'm wiping this needle thoroughly in this blood and I say to my friends Falsi and got Lib and Dalpin and uh all Dalo and all the rest of those criminals. All right. That this is for the sake of humanity and no other reason. Oh, and believe me it hurts. And this is in the hope that it'll save the lives of millions of individuals who will die because of the greatest lie ever told. Get off drugs. He's right. Get off drugs. Now I will be happy to take questions from the press or from anyone for that matter to clarify in your minds if there's any doubt whatsoever. Yes. You said oh I can still go questions actually. You said that you were tested in New York by a leading physician there. Can you say that was in by? Yes it was in the Greenwich Village area. In fact, Karen I think you have the issue of the native that ad should be in the back of the ad if you'll get it will give you the name and the address of the clinic because it's widely advertised and that's where I went where everybody else is going and he's recognized by the state of New York and the forms he uses which I filled out from the state of New York and by the way I do have a copy of the document which states that I and he gives you the answer of the test in 15 minutes. So it's quite a racket. And by the way it's very interesting because that you ask the question because you see I was in a quandary as to what possible purpose could this serve. If you have a test that's 99.997% inaccurate what are you proving? You would treat somebody with a deadly drug on the basis of a test that totally worthless and by the way let me point out that a research group in Australia in the past year have stated that not only is the test completely inaccurate it's totally non-specific that you could be positive if you had the measles. If you had the flu if you had a flu shot from your doctor or if you had any one of a hundred diseases let's look at the scenario this is serious business. Somebody gets the flu or gets a flu shot this year. But so what you're finally suggesting is that the man that you give this prominent physician an ingrownage village he in fact said don't tell anybody about this because I'm making money off of these tests. Do you finally say people don't get tested? I am saying absolutely do not get tested. Would you advise anybody to take a test that's 99.997% wrong? And you're saying that that's insanity. And by the way when I said to this physician when he asked me why I was there and I told him I was a doctor I said because I'm in a heavy risk group. He said aren't we all and laughed about it because everybody knows that the medical profession sticks itself all the times and the only individuals are going to die of AIDS who are part of the medical profession in any way shape or form. Now those who are taking AZT or other drugs. Grant. You said that AIDS is not an epidemic it's an endemic circumstance but a variety of factors including malnutrition and drug use. How then can you explain the years of potential life loss in the 250,000 plus people who have died of AIDS according to CDC definition where drug use has been going on for centuries and suddenly we're losing people in their 20s and 30s because I'm not sure what you're okay that's an excellent question really and you're using your head that's the kind of question should have been asked of Gallo at the very beginning. And by the way you said 20s and 30s are healthiest people in its strange you got a disease the first disease in the history of mankind that affects our healthiest but what happened in the 60s the drug culture began what happened in the 70s it heated up at the end of the 70s the gays came out of the closet and became an identifiable group. Now I'll ask you in the sense of redundant question but yeah I think it'll get the point across I'm gonna name five of 30 diseases tuberculosis a new disease lymphoma oh that's a new disease too leukemia oh yes that's a very new disease too new my sister's pneumonia another new disease but let's your known one and Kaposi Sarkoma another new disease now these diseases in the other 25 have always been around it's real easy it's real simple to create an epidemic you simply take a bunch of diseases and put them under one heading and then claim that one virus is responsible for it well that's nonsense first of all let me offer the proof you the reason it appeared which I think is the essence of your question as though it were some new epidemic coming on is because it appeared in a select population the gay population but only is appearing in gays who are on drugs and especially and substance abuse right and remember by the way too that alcohol is a drug and remember these individuals many of them extremely promiscuous would get one venereal disease after another and they'd be taking antibiotics for these diseases all year long and it's a matter of medical fact that antibiotics are immune suppressive now let me offer one very important bit of investigative reporting for you it was reported in the newspapers a couple of years ago that this HIV was found in blood that had been preserved in laboratories in the 1940s they went back and looked at some of these samples they found HIV which by the way has been around certainly for thousands of years but let's just use that one example if we had HIV in the population in the 1940s and we had homosexuals in the 1940s and by the way according to Kinsey 10 to 15 percent of the heterosexual population preferred anal intercourse where in the world was your epidemic it wasn't suitable for a scoundrel like Robert Gallo in the 1940s it wasn't old enough or maybe he was born just about that time for somebody to come along and to pull off a scam of this magnitude and now they're caught up in a mailstrom now if the truth gets out yes it will deal a blow to the credibility of the NIH and the CDC and the FDA and the AMA and my god it is sorely needed that blow is necessary to clean up the app the usual lifetime drug users all eventually come down to the syndrome they could be attributable to AIDS absolutely in fact these people that is true no on the contrary remember its dose related so it depends upon how many drugs you're using and how much of them over how long a period of time now if you overdose you never get to that point yes couldn't the combination of lifestyle practices of mycobule the best place for microbes are dark wet places aren't fat houses any excellent place to increase the exponential representation of microbes around the world it would be for them with that section of a thousand of that for the year have contact with those same men with themselves are very similar do you think that that adds an even more credible amount of the human suppression that is not suffered by the rest of the population of drugs or those of those who think that that is well I don't know the you see the Romans and the Greeks had bath houses and there's no evidence that that part me with ecstasy mda poppers and all the things that sort of I agree that mda and all the rest of these drugs are causing immune suppression now I don't believe that sex itself causes immune suppression but I do believe that recurring binereal disease will cause immune suppression but the simple fact is is that the virus has nothing to do with it and that's the important thing that I am certainly for people having a healthy lifestyle absolutely but let's not get into the idea that this is again a contagious disease you cannot give aids to anyone and you cannot get aids from anyone yes Michael Elmer 22 years ago I urinated pure blood without pain I knew immediately what the diagnosis was it was bladder cancer I cannot fully describe what I felt at that moment it is unbelievable it's like taking a crash dive into the depths of anonymity total isolation fear and panic and all the faith in God or whatever faith you may have cannot handle that at that moment when you start to get your wits together and if you use your intelligence and then your faith yes spirit and mind are wonderful things what you're saying is true it's a sentence of death for most people and immediately their body metabolism goes into negative phases everything becomes destructive this is modern medical voodoo if a doctor tells you you are going to die I'm willing to bet you're going to die I'll be the first one to put money on the line and say the chances are you're going to beat the statistics you will die because you've been told so this is American voodoo let me I'll get back to you but let me take someone else yes Dr. Wollner I really appreciate what you're doing I've been out here trying to inform people about this disinformation for a number of years now Robert Gallo who was a proven medical fraud and a multi-millionaire marketing attest of the the AMA itself in its own medical journals in the 80s have said that this is these tests are bad science the microbiologist have said in their own medical texts that this is bad science is these tests do not work the hematology said that this is this is false these tests they say that they have used ozone to to inactivate HIV which HIV if it's a virus it's a template or patterns so what can it do I mean these are just basic medical facts how is it that this has gotten by the entire population you know in the media is pushing this lie Arthur Ash for example was on 30 pills a day the three months before he succumbed including AZT how is that in that eye after genics and how is it that that the medical profession can murder a million people a year according to their own study the only haven study that came out this year they are meant to die for killing a million people a year why aren't they on trial that's the left way by the way I thank you for your comments and I'd love to have a copy of that study and some of the information you talked about I really would because I've been going around saying it's the number three cause of death is I at your genetic disease and when I lecture before groups I don't tell them what I have to genic diseases and I say to them you know here we're worried about the so-called AIDS epidemic and I don't believe that anybody should die I think we should all live forever but 12,000 a year that's not an epidemic 60,000 died from automobile accidents 120,000 I've been saying and I hope you're going to help me change 120,000 died each year they admit to from my atrogenic disease 500,000 from cancer and 800,000 from heart disease and I'm glad you're telling me it's a minute because I've been saying they say it's number three I really believe in my heart it's number one I agree with him absolutely now if we took the figure of 120,000 being killed by doctors not malpractice but as a normal course of everyday medicine then doctors are 10 times more dangerous than HIV now you're telling me it's 100 times yeah I want those figures really desperately 1960 please I will be indebted because that's powerful stuff and I really you know it's funny you never know where the figures are going to go but with medicine anything's possible yes that part me just the USA round later due to an article by the way fantastic talk about those issues yes man I guess today the effort group announced it's three years after the Americans died annually from the disease and illnesses related to being overweight but I'm not supposed to punch out it it would certainly be a lot more dangerous to be overweight than to be HIV infected you know that's that's a very good point yes there you go thank you that's a very good point you know I pick up some marvelous ideas from some very bright people and I I can't tell you how much I appreciate it I'm going to be using those I do I have your permission now okay could you send some insight on how this mechanism works with the pf base oh okay that is another good question first of all I challenge anybody except there are always exceptions and the exceptions are of course as we know genetics and children sometimes born under circumstances where we don't have all the facts but I would say 99% or better of the individuals born with AIDS if they actually have AIDS the mother was a crack mother was on drugs no question about it or had an obvious incredible immune suppression for what are the medical reasons as they say I'm thinking of particulars is a little bit lazy and her her child got it from her she had blood transfusion for the birth of her child with the pain and blood of it's either cyanide she then passed it on to her child she passed on HIV okay let's call things HIV not AIDS right now what happened after about three years got very sick they didn't know what the problem was doctor said nobody knows what it is they find it in HIV test on the child found out that she had it and then she died aerial died but there's a gap there we're safe found out she's HIV positive and then she died how much time and what was done in that period of time I mean listen I was in the practice of general medicine for a lot of years I had one of the largest practices in the state of Florida and I can tell you I treat a lot of kids over period of time they got very ill in their first three years of life you mean they had AIDS now they did a test I will guarantee you I don't know what she died of and I can't answer but I will tell you these kids who are diagnosed as HIV if they're given AZT they will die of AIDS absolutely most of them will not die just like most of the kids I treated did not die but I had occasional child that ended up with a meningitis and died by the way our current Miss America who's deaf and dumb got DPT that's what made her deaf and dumb yes sudden infant death syndrome yes now we'll go back to you grand how can how you explain the T cell decline and those who have not taken age as I know to psychologically affect you know don't fully have to be a wonderful question really great now let me tell you a little bit about medicine she always always confused by this T cell thing because T cells are nothing more than lymphocytes and leukocytes there are bodies way of fighting infection now when somebody came into my office with a belly ache I would do a white count which includes the T cells now if the white count was like five six seven thousand didn't think anything of it is a belly ache some bad food maybe of a viral infection you know the great dumping ground viruses they even had me thinking that way but if it was twenty thousand I alerted a surgeon you see the body creates the T cells when it needs it if you don't need it you don't got it why would you walk around with a lot of T cells when you've got nothing to fight and I can tell you one thing we have always known there is no correlation between severity of disease in AIDS so to speak and the T cell count doesn't match it might not tell you why you look a little bit confused when I said the fact that you will not have a high white count unless you have a severe infection however which means that if you don't have a high white count it's it's not bad if you're there's nothing else wrong with you then I'd say well that's normal what why do you want a high white count if you got a bad cold you'd get an elevation in your white count now we know for a fact it's well documented that you have individuals who have died with AIDS with elevated T cells and we have individuals who've been healthy and when I tell you healthy I feel sick by comparison at looking at some of these individuals and they test out incredibly well the best healthiest specimens I've seen the kind that most women say oh my god why is he gay is he because he's so good looking and so handsome and so strong and so healthy is he they have no like they have no T cells T cells you don't count T cells are a raw meter of how one is no because you yes you can use it to some degree as a barometer depending upon the situation but basically no you can't not tell you why you know that you can change the T cell count if you worry somebody completely established I worry about these individuals who go in and get these T cell counts one after another because their whole life is focused on these T cell counts and when it goes down a little bit instead of being reassured which is the way I would interpret it they get panicky now they're really doing damage and at some point if they're on drugs and sometimes even if they're not on anything but because they've been told they're going to die like the which doctors of african elsewhere these individuals will die because they literally worry themselves to death it's a crime beyond belief the other rare ones I admit but the fact is T cell counts absolutely have no correlation with severity of disease they can be low because you have wiped out your immune system and they can be low because you don't need them that's the important thing to understand it is not a barometer for anything and they lie they lie they lie and then they lie some more this is a real case scenario I'm going I get tested I am told I may try to be positive my T cell count who I've heard from cancer research because it happened I was 50 percent of your T cell go on strike and get a 50 people I got news see the other scenario can happen to it can go why why I'll go way up if it goes down because I'm told I'm going to die isn't that enough to get me on a CT oh sure absolutely first of all let me tell you something the CDC that let syphiletics untreated when they had drugs that could have treated just to observe this same CDC has already admitted that between 40 and 60 percent of the cases listed at AIDS whenever even tested for HIV and not that it makes any difference because the test is meaningless so could this scenario also happen I take AZT because it is a far invader my T cell will go up yes they initially do and that's exactly what happens when you challenge the immune system which AZT does you get an initial rise but then the AZT begins to do it begins to do its dirty work and suppresses your entire reproduction of your T cells and eventually it goes through the floor absolutely that is the scenario yes we're going to try to finish one or two more of your questions you know I get to say that HIV is somewhere in this you say that HIV itself is a harmless tissue it's an innocuous retro virus are you then saying that as you said earlier about you don't know what safe sex is that if I go back and report to my gay and lesbian readers young gay men in particular and there has been a rise in medicine among young gay men of HIV again with the test that you don't believe in right well it means nothing until you give me one single document that proves HIV causes anything it's meaningless but what I need to here's what I need yes is HIV sexually transmitted shall be shall I go and report to the show gay men that they need not worry okay HIV this harmless virus can be sexually transmitted with incredible difficulty to the point where it becomes meaningless all right that hasn't been proven right and that hasn't been definitely proven by the way in one of the studies which they were present presenting of 25 males where the semen was examined who were HIV positive they were able to demonstrate only in two out of 25 the virus and they only found one in a million cells that is not disease there's no way in the world and especially with a virus retrovirus that supposedly is killing off the cells that it needs in order to replicate even if you transmitted one virus and it did kill off and it was this terrible disease you say it is there's no way it could cause disease it's impossible the lie is so compounded and so idiotic and so unbelievable that you literally have to fight your way out of the maze of these lies they are all unadulterated lies and the men responsible for them and women belong in jail yes and then we'll give yourself free hundred project i.e. blood using a given free needle to protect them no one said that the drugs might cause AIDS in an art experience in New York but certainly the largest population of AIDS cases there is a clear kind of thing that anyone looking at it will find the people using drugs developed at the diseases core of the AIDS and the people who want recover their health it's that simple yes and by the way for that population that you're writing for let me simply point out you again using the government's figures they say it takes an average of a thousand acts of intercourse over ten years in the United States and ten thousand acts of intercourse over ten years in Africa to transmit the AIDS virus that's twice a week in the United States for ten years on an average to transmit the virus in Africa that's twenty times a week on an average and if you know what the bell curve is there's got to be some individual out in Africa that's doing it two hundred times a week i want to meet that individual and now let me give you a set of figures which you must produce for your readers please the world health organization says that the annual conversion rate in the United States for HIV is one to one point five percent a year now according to the figures giving us by the cvc there are constantly for ten years now one million hiv positives in the United States now that defies all definitions of an epidemic how does it stay steady at one million if this is an epidemic that's going to kill everybody and by the way their predictions from ten years ago were ninety one percent wrong as far as deaths were concerned think of that now hold on one to one point five percent per year would average out to sixty seven point five years for everybody who's hiv positive in the United States today to become full blown AIDS that the annual conversion rate published not by me by the world health organization but in Haiti it's one tent that so if you're hiv positive i would advise all your readers to go to Haiti they got a ten times better chance of survival if they go to Haiti because there it will take one thousand years for everybody this is world health organization figures for everybody who's hiv positive today to become full blown AIDS but hold your hats hold the presses young lady tell your readers this and I quote the world health organization I maybe I should put my hand like this while I say it but they say that in zaire you have a hundred to hundred and fifty times better chance of survival if you're in zaire than if you live in the United States in other words there it will take twenty five thousand years for everybody who's hiv positive today to become full blown AIDS now I think you ought to urge your readers all those with compassion and with heart to take the first plane to zaire and to stop anyone on the street and ask them are you hiv positive and if they answer in the affirmative I think you owe it to them as a conscientious human being to say sir or madam are you aware that in the next twenty five thousand years you're alive able to die of AIDS those are government figures they're not mine the ridiculousness of it demands that you print those figures that they give them to your readers aren't is it interesting that Africa and Haiti have similar situations in North America and Europe although Africa is closer to Europe you would think that in infectious spread would spread closer to the center of the of origin the answers very simple malnutrition and starvation can lead to death and at a very variable rate depending upon the malnutrition but AIDS due to drugs is a much shorter period of time and Iodokinol Iodokinol it's a drug from seabagaggi or no look a rock the roo se I think they've been injecting people in zaire and angola and Haiti with this Iodokinol since the 1970s and this is a hepatic drug this kills the liver and the liver is your biggest culture of the drug you've led in the body and if you destroy the liver it has more than five hundred functions in the body in your dead by the way let me throw out I think an overall principle to take a look at very seriously from the point of view of disease and death and this applies to to AIDS as it would apply to any disease problem in humanity and with this I'm going to end the bubonic plague killed half the population of Europe the question you must ask and must answer if you're going to be a rational thinking human being is why didn't it kill the other half in the United States in 1919 18 million people died of the flu my question is why didn't the other 92 million die the answer to that and every reporter owes it to their readers is very simple the bugs do not cause the disease unless there's a suitable terrain and so the answer to all disease is not to take a shotgun and blow a human being apart but to simply prevent the disease to begin with by living at peace and in harmony not only with your fellow human beings but with every organism on this planet and thank you you