(mirror) 9/11 WTC dismantled and hollow vs mini-nukes edited

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This is Jim Petzer, your host on the real deal where I have my special feature guest today, Steve Dacuz, invested over a decade of research on 9-11, especially on the World Trade Center and how it was destroyed. Don Foxes here who has done brilliant work on the use of nudes to take out the World Trade Center, I myself, of course, and the founder of Scholars for 9-11 Truth, we ought to be joined by Joe Olson, who is a licensed civil and structural engineer who is with us yesterday, but appears to have been delayed. We're going to begin and this will be dominated by a lengthy detailed presentation by Steve back to which Don and Joe and I will offer comments and observation, Steve, take it away. Yeah, thanks, Jim. I look forward to this. So we're going to start at the beginning with just a video here of the construction of the World Trade Center Tower, I mean, just to give people a starting point, that's the tower, the complex. So we can look at the, you know, the, what I'm looking at is the steel of the actual impact of the lobby area and that's what I was trying to get at for this beginning here was to show folks what we're looking at. This here is just a view of the courtyard area so we can see the tritance at the bottom there where the columns meet at the bottom. So I want you to get a view of the scale and see where the courtyard floor is and you see this smaller little spangial area here and I'll start going over photographs that I've taken still shots from that construction video I first started with. So these are screenshots of the construction of the towers right away what I notice are temporary floors. Okay, I'll take you to the next screen. This is a temporary floor that was built as a platform to work on. I'll take you back. We can look at the at the, remember the lobby, the courtyard, the height of that first little spangial thing is right there and so the actual courtyard would be down here. So this is a temporary floor that they put up. The tip, well, you know, they have to have a work platform. Okay, well up here at this level and I'll get a little closer here, you can see that these are eye beams. This is the top of the lobby, the lobby ceiling. Okay, this is very important stuff here. So these are eye beams and we can see that this material was not there at the time of destruction. This is where the whole new idea comes from. This is where the directed energy, all of that dust, right? This is the stuff that drives people crazy for 9-11. What happened to that material? We can see it used to be there and it's a little closer. You can see the eye beam structure here. This is where it met the top of these little tridence where the columns met towards the bottom of the courtyard area and then spread out to have the doorway openings there. Here you can see, now I know a lot of people believe that the core was wrapped in concrete. It was it was wrapped in gypsum and you can see that this is the core structure right here. There's no framing for any concrete boards going on here. This is just the central courtyard. This is where the elevator shafts would be and there's nothing being, there's no concrete forms going on there. We can see that they're working on the decking, the floor decking here. This is you can see that that's just their trust supported decks. You can see a little bit of it over here. This is where they're building another section and that's how they put them together. Floor by floor, they build a floor to work on a platform and that's what I was showing you over here. They had a temporary platform there. Building a floor and taking out a floor was apparently part of the construction of these buildings. Here you can see here they've put down what looks like planking on the floor, the decking so that they're not damaging it while they're working on it. They've got their fuel for their big cranes here and they've got their bolts and boxes of bolts and other material they're working with. They've got a work platform. If you're building a building like this, you don't want people falling through the floor. You'll have a safe platform upon which to work. They did that as they moved up. They put these temporary floors in. You can see it in the lobby and then they took them away and you can see here it's no longer there. They're spraying the fire retardant in here and right up here you can't really see it. That's where the eye beams met at the top of the lobby ceiling area. On normal floors we had trusses holding them up but on the mechanical floors and in the lobby area, very up here that was eye beam. This is how the lobbies would have looked in the inside. Kind of kitschy, not really looking like a modern marvel to me but that's just me. It was the 70s. Here is how that looks from before they put the internal finishes on. I've highlighted this. I showed you this yesterday but it was too dim so I brightened it up a little so you can see the straps that I'm referring to. Right here, this is what I want to hear from Don a lot about these particular straps. These I don't know the term is in the construction world. I call them truss straps but these aren't trusses. They're just the straps that you can see highlighted in the drawings of the official drawings. They're right here. For the lobby ceiling and all the eye beam supported floors, they were not in case in concrete. They were under the floor pan. Okay? But for the truss supported floors, they were poured into the concrete. And this is what really bugs me about the damage it is. This is just to demonstrate how the trusses met against the spandrels. Every spandrel allegedly had a truss supported concrete floor on it. At least those which weren't not the mechanical floors that had the eye beams, every other floor was a truss supported floor. 60 feet on the long end, 40 feet on the short end for the trusses. They met against the spandrel with a bracket here at the top. I don't know if you can see that but at the below that is a damping unit. That's a visco elastic damping unit because these things had a lot of flex. They would I don't have the article I meant to get that but it showed it flexed three feet at the top. People hated these buildings. They were crappy and they moved a lot and they were built to move a lot. Buildings actually are built like airplanes with the flex in mind. You don't want to have a whole lot of wells because they're not flexed flexible. And these were built to move. In fact, they had a fake optometry office put up in Seattle when they were first constructing these things on a moving platform, on a hydraulic platform to get people to take these optometrists exams and to see how much sway they could get before people would I guess barf. I guess it was 11 inches but they actually swayed up to three feet at the top. And there's reports of like when they were having a topping off ceremony, they were doing a Mexican hat dance on one of the floors up there and they were dancing around and there was a heavy reverberation and heavy it just felt like it was very unstable and this was even reported by the Port Authority and the joke was well just don't play that song anymore. Here I can see I showed you the visco elastic dampers I digress but the visco elastic dampers are here. Here you can see on the debris there's a visco elastic damper. So, Don, the trusses that these were attached to were gone. This is this go elastic material that's plastic right or something like that it's flexible it's not heat resistant it's not you know steel oh hey joke. Oh there we go. Hi Joe welcome. You with us? I can't hear you Joe if you're talking. What's a proceed Stephen let Joe comment as appropriate? Okay so I was just getting to this point here Joe where let me just back up a bit. Joe and I were talking about the connections to the spangials yesterday about how the trusses connected to the spangels and he was concerned about this bottom cord here and this is just Joe I was explaining if you're still with us that this connected via this damping unit here at the bottom and these damping units can be seen here I guess they're plastic or some sort of this go elastic material and that was designed to get to help with the sway that the floors would I mean these were sales huge steel sales in some of the windiest area of Manhattan they had a lot of wind gusts and they were actually a keyhole effect they got between the towers that would knock people off their feet it was so strong so they they were not very very popular buildings but what I'm getting at with these visco elastic damperages is if a nuclear blast destroyed the entire interior of the interior finishes you know there was what sheet rock marble whatever on the lobby it was like marble but these visco elastic damperages were not wiped out the trusses they were attached to were gone the floor there was something there some material used to be here it looks like you can see that on the spandrel but it's way too high for a normal spandrel and I'll show you that later because there was like a I don't know a 14 inch space from the top of the floor to the top of the window where the electric heaters would be okay so the heaters panels with the bottom of that spand the bottom of the window on the spandrel so how the hell you guys you guys are all nukers now and I'm really asking this seriously I'm not making fun of anybody because I have no room to talk about anything I've been so wrong so much about I've been more wrong than right okay so I'm assuming I'm wrong and I want to be shown where these things are plastic or something like that they would melt pretty easily the trusses are gone all of the interior finishes are totally gone nothing at all visible but these guys are hanging there if that was a nuclear blast these things would have been gone too to me this is evidence of dismantling what are your thoughts on this I can take you back and look at the these are the visco elastic dampers I'm talking about I can go up one more to the this guy here you can see that that bottom cord is where they were and these damper connections would be right there so how could those dampers be there if the entire truss structure had been wiped out by a nuclear blast to me there's no other way to explain that other than dismantling well okay that's just that's just the dampers we'll get onto the other stuff but we'll stop here for now I want to hear what you have to say okay so just as an FYI I've got I mean the nuisance is the biggest part of my theory but conventional charges are also and my my contentions been that the nuclear bombs were small and they were placed in the center of building the main job of the nuisance to get rid of those 47 core columns and I believe they used conventional charges on the other parts of the building okay fair enough and I appreciate that given that and knowing how the charges would have to be placed and I can I'll I'll throughout the demonstration I'll show you I've got graphic examples of models of the building and how they were put together so that it all makes sense but what I'm getting at is how could these charges be planted without the tenants knowing about it just looking at the way these buildings are put together you'd have to put charges right here for example to take out this seam you'd have to put charges where I mean where I would put them on all these seams and you'd want to break away these things too so those would have to be broken so you know you've got pretty obvious connections you'd have to break with your charges and there's no way to reach those without the tenants being aware of it so however this was done that couldn't have been tenants in there because they would have been aware of all of it nuisance charges whatever and from what I'm looking at that's if you look at the damage evidence that's what's supported by the evidence and the damage I'll carry on I'm just trying to get get to this is just one example of the the very curious questions that I think eliminate the exotic means from being used that these things look to me like they were dismantled and there's very few ways to explain that other than that so if you can come up with them let me know I'll move on here is here is at the lobby level the first mechanical floor level this is where the ibeams used to rest okay I think right down here would be the top of the ibeam so this is your thick eight inch I think they had probably eight inch floors for the mechanical levels to support all the heavy equipment elevator motors and such but so there's you know there's your concrete the straps were below that this is probably just the tips of the straps right there and then you look here if this was a nuclear blast why is this this is the mechanical level which was wrapped with aluminum cladding on all four sides of the column okay this is this is underside again I'm gonna get past that okay get up here sorry so these straps were installed under that concrete that I just showed you up here this is below that course here they're every floor above the lobby area they report in concrete so that's the difference between the ibeams under concrete over concrete here is how the official drawing shows how the decks were put to receive the concrete the straps would be in there here though we can see that the concrete decks are upside down for receiving concrete exactly opposite from what they were showing in the picture below and I wanted to stress here that there's a this is where I was talking about that Mexican hat dance oh shoot they had reports of during construction I heard a rumor which I dismissed at the time as being absurd that they were using sheet rock instead of concrete on the floors at the upper levels of the buildings however if they had used two layers of two inch gypsum board over the steel pan and covering it with carpet it would probably support the office loads well we look at the construction photos and see that those trusses with support the loads just fine even without concrete on them it's just that when they're supporting a lot of heavy loads on them yeah you'd want to have a floor structure there and gypsum was a valid option for the time 1968 gypsum planks were used on trust supported floors so if they were pulling a con job over us guys the materials were there and that's that gets me to the concrete contractors who were contracted for the 10 million square feet of concrete for the World Trade Center and that was signed by fortune pope who was the head of colonial concrete now the pope family is a very very colorful family they are the most the wealthiest Italian immigrant family in the history of Italian immigrants they have direct ties to the CIA the mafia and the media uh generouso pope I think that's his name used to work for the CIA before he opened the national inquirer so we get you know tabloid journalism thanks to these guys and this is fortune pope the guy who signed the concrete contract for the 10 million square feet he's meeting with Kennedy in the month he was killed Truman with the the masonry handshake there and he's having uh we're going to church with Sinatra here not your average concrete contractors okay oh sorry a couple of blanks so if the uh if they were built as a 30 year con job by the CIA they had a source for their dust and they had a source for the concrete now the thing with the popes is they were so proud of their heritage that all of their trucks were painted in the Italian color the Italian flag colors the red green uh white and red so you would see these fleets of Italian flags coming into the World Trade Center delivering concrete for that 10 million square feet that's a lot of stinking concrete and you will not find that image you will not find any any mixing stations or pumps pumping stations that's a whole lot of concrete to get up there even by today's standards builders have a hard time pumping concrete to those heights so you should see a lot of concrete activity you don't you know the official story is according to Leslie Robertson which I was privy to a conversation with between he and Phil J. Han the official stories that they brought the concrete up through the court but uh okay so we have to take their word for it and that's what brings me to the uh what did he get the slides for that but the the history of the the port authority is like reading the history of organized crime every building that was built by the port authority was built with mob contracted labor I mean you can it's been going on for generations how New York is probably the most corrupt atmosphere for business building in the country every building every kind of city has this problem with mob labor controlling the you can probably say that about every big building in every major city exactly every city and every every every actually big and small city yeah so yeah this nothing do there but again we have all kinds of shady background here and we have no proof of the concrete ever being poured and a very shady contractor who if anybody was be able to keep their mouths closed for say getting paid for I don't know six million square feet of concrete that never got poured it would be the pope family so I'm just going through here to demonstrate what we're we're looking at in the damage because like this goes a long time this is a big demonstration and this this can take a long time but most people don't know that this is how the towers were built these were not modern marvels they were advertised as modern marvels you know heavily marketed from the beginning in fact the even the port authority admitted that they were built as marketing gimmicks to attract new tenants to their 10 million square feet it didn't work moving on so after they had these wall panels built they put them together like bricks and they were bolted together and to end side to side behind each spandrel was an acre of four inch thick concrete floor allegedly and that's what we're talking about has turned to dust okay this is how they should have been poured we can see them all up here that's how it works behind each each wall panel which is the three three columns three floors is one wall panel each panel is backed top bottom and middle by a acre of concrete floor that's what turned to dust this is how they're put together we can see that right down here at the bottom uh cord is where that damper would connect that I showed again just driving it home damper connection damper connection stresses meet here dampers on the bottom cord the straps we're talking about right here would be poured into concrete every floor that had concrete would have the straps poured in them every wall end was bolted at the middle of the floor level so the bolts to dismantle the towers would be reached by mid floors so there's no way a tenant would be unaware that any bolts were removed this is how they were we're bolted together again so the windows are another thing I mean we're talking about the chimneys effect right the the nuclear blasts creating the chimney that that funneled this all through there well it isn't a solid wall it's it's perforated by windows and these windows are nothing special about these windows at all it's just a steel frame with a little bracket mounted on the outside of the spandrel on which they would attach their cladding for the spandrel the aluminum sheeting and then they just put a gasket they stick a window on that bracket and a gasket around the whole window opening and there's your window these buildings would have been freaking freezing in the winter okay there's no insulation here steel you're in one of the windiest places of New York City and you're surrounded by steel and just a little bit of of fire retardant for insulation so these little brackets I'll show you here are visible right here okay but look at the thickness of the spandrel steel here you see the differences these are not modern marvels by any means look at the way these things are constructed they were fludging together stuff and making it work and you can see that they're bolted together everywhere you look it's all bolts modern marvels my ass these are snapped together tourist traps and again you can see the thickness of the steel there more of the same just demonstrating the the window gaskets and cladding I think I already showed you that one here's what an interior wall looks like okay so look up up here at the top you see the the trusses I think this was a contractor who was going to mitigate the the crappy fire retardant they had on the trusses it's all flaking off so he's taking a picture of the inside look at your your space here where are you going to get your dust from you have hardly any sheet rock on the walls this is all going to be an extended ceiling you know quirk board or whatever that stuff is and if it's all in the concrete they turn to dust that there's a problem with that story again from a different side each floor and acre and size so each floor and acre and size yay but you can see there's not much to these and again this is a modern marvel what's so special about this this is a low ceiling now they were they were depressing dimly lit and cold in the winter this is we've all heard about the the art students right the Israeli artists well they were from Austria actually and there was a hole the I think this is part of the propaganda that was put out by the poor authority actually to make it look like these things were these occupied cities have been the city because of the 91st and 2nd floor of the north tower we had the gelatin and the e-team guys i'm just going to show you some of the interior shots both of these guys were using helicopters in their art e-team was taken pictures from the helicopter of their you know they're trying to they're going through they're putting down shades to be able to light certain windows and spell e-team across the face of the towers if that means something believe that this is their way of making empty towers look occupied but you can see that the e-team used a helicopter and they had their performance start but look at the way these things are formed they had heaters right below the windows i want you to pay pay notice that right below the knee is where they came to i've been watching for about 15 i didn't know if you knew i was logged on or not yeah we just can't hear you okay all right oh okay super oh wonderful okay bless you guys thanks yeah i can hear him now okay yeah okay so so this is just to give you an idea as to what you're looking at and what the material was to turn to dust in there so there wasn't much of anything in there to turn to dust but the the contents and what little sheet rock was on the wall and whatever was on the floor whether it was gypsum or whether it was concrete well that remains to be seen this is gelatin we've all heard about where they uh they took out one of those windows which i demonstrated how difficult that was not that hard really they just had a little bracket uh you know liner around the gasket they take it out with a window with a suction cup they're about 80 pounds they were they're built to disc to withstand wings wind gusts like 150 miles an hour but it's a big deal because if you take it out you've got 150 mile an hour wind gust going on you know you could blow you right into the into the the room so that the the the port of farty was pissed off about these guys because they allegedly did this performance art they built this balcony and stuck it out the window and you can see the guy here uh out the window uh i don't know it's very difficult to see their photograph aircraft but he's he's one guy's cantilevering the weight here he's sitting on the end of this thing and the other guy's out the window and they took a picture of him from the outside from their helicopter that was their performance art guys yeah brilliant so this is him out the window it really showed nothing and that's what the New York Times article was about it's like a whole lot of nothing on this performance art but what what i see is that they were they were trying to figure out the best angles for the helicopters to be staged in and uh and that sort of thing and and making it look like these crappy buildings were were worth a shit but the other thing about that is that they were only there in the spring of 2000 gelatin so this whole assumption that they were planting bombs and they were the ones that did you know the the planting of the bomb that's that couldn't have occurred without the port authorities assistance because the port authority had 42 officers stationed there all the time the port authority police i believe is the 26th at the time of 9-11 was the 26th largest in the country and they had an armed guard there at all times so nobody could just wander around the building and like any place any office building that had an empty floor between tenets or something you know those the stairwells are going to be closed and elevators aren't going to stop there so nobody is going to know or be able to visit any of these floors if they were dismantling them you wouldn't know you'd have to take the port authorities word on it and the port authority only answers to two people on the planet that's the governors of new york and new jersey they are not publicly uh they do not answer to the public so we have to take their word for all this stuff these good guys these wise guys so again looking at the interior there's not much sheetrock there there's not much interior coverings at all but you won't find any of these interior coverings anywhere in the debris field so if it's if it was a nuke that had done that i would assume that the straps that were attached to the concrete floors or that that were to attach to the concrete floors would be wiped out too but the straps are still there and i'll get to that not much sheetrock in those columns agreed and there's none of this stuff which was on every spandial this is the spandial he's sitting on there none of that stuff is visible in the debris field not even a bit of it hanging there i would think that if it was explosive something you'd see chunks of concrete just as you see chunks of concrete where the lobby ceiling met the lobby walls and look at this fully occupied cities within the city my ass who would want this place this is a shitty office space be grade and overpriced and they're dangerous as i'll get out as we as we saw look at that how long is this space been empty who would want that space apparently the port authority thought it was pretty hot stuff just another example of how much space was there and how little was there to turn to dust interesting aside here the tenants on the 91st floor with the the the art students were staying one of them was the american bureau of shipping and another was silverstein properties so silverstein properties was sharing the same level as the lower man hat and cultural council who are the art students up there and silverstein i know he's like we think of him as the bad guy with his pullet gaff and all that but i think that was all staged and all planned he was an inside man since the beginning he built the original world trade center seven and uh he was even having a hard time uh filling uh his new office building anyway i'll get into that later again i mentioned the no floors and this is what we should see in the impact hole look at all that material now a jet's engine isn't going to damage a column it's not going to hit okay you got to want a 12-foot engine 13 feet however big they are i'm not sure how big the fan is on that thing i might be dying feet i'm not sure but it's going to hit no more than like three columns because these are 40 inches apart on center and it best if it hit at an angle it's going to hit four so the idea that you've got whole call all columns snapped out where it wasn't impacted by an engine is beyond belief it's parallel parallel columns it's not going to be damaged by something that didn't hit it so an engine is going to go right through one column and you got 18 inches between that and the next column the edge of that column it missed it's not going to damage the column inside it now the spandrel might bend it aside you know it might tug it inside because of the connecting floors if they were there on the inside but there should be a lot of floor material here now one of the things they really bugs me about this is this curled spandrel section up here at the top where you've got these wall panels just curled in like a clutching hand well where that spandrel is there should be a floor there right right here there is a floor that was backing behind that how can these spandrels curl in like that had there been a floor there did you just wiped it out the floor we should see some material of floor scooped up in there nothing there and this gets me to my presentation about what impacted the towers and it all ties together really it does starts with basic physics you know I'm I'm a layman I come off as a layman I speak to lay people those are my that's my intended audience you guys are the engineers and I want you to stop me where I'm wrong here I know that if you hit your you hit your head your head your head just as the wall it's not rocket science so in my layman's opinion this car was struck from the front this car was struck from the side and any kid who's ever run a stick against a picket fence can attest that these columns were struck from the side as well do you not agree with that I had not seen that photo before and we've been we had about a 30 minute discussion after yesterday's preliminary and I did send you some additional material on email yeah I was not I've been I was out of power for most of the afternoon yesterday and I just been struggling to get everything corrected today so no I didn't even like your email sorry no offense okay all right it definitely appears to be impact on me as far as the missing material in the building that building was designed for 120 mile in our wind loads and without having a whole lot of the floor framing in there you'd be missing a lot of the membrane effect or strengthening the whole building together that's the head I hurricane bill 70 mile and hour and 76 hurricane Gloria category one hundred mile per hour and 85 the perfect storm which is the one that they did the movie on October 30th 1991 with 75 mile and hour winds and ice hurricane Bob which is a hundred mile an hour 1991 and hurricane Floyd so the building withstood the design wind impacts and without any wind all of that available that required wind resistance bearing capacity would have been available to prevent this injury causing a total collapse so there you know we have very minor things that we're disagreeing on I see that a lot of your stuff is addressed to the thermite issue and the control demolition with conventional explosives I decided that when I saw the presentation in Austin in May of 2009 with Richard Gage and Alice Jones that that was not a viable option that would require way too much thermite material to dissolve the amount of material that's missing in that way at that site so yeah and that's what I think I I explain here is that it's missing because it was probably not there well what I'm saying is it's missing because steel melts at 2500 degrees but it also and I should have had that number right here oh tell me about I know all about that one so many things I should have had right here yeah as a matter of fact I never got really a formal invitation to about Tim okay steel melts at 2750 and is vaporized at 5180 degrees Fahrenheit so just like a pot of water you can boil the water out you can melt the ice and boil the water out at 32 and at 212 anything that could produce heat beyond the required vaporization temperature of 5180 for steel is going to clean out the inside of the building and I've checked the other materials concrete and glass and they vaporize it significantly lower temperature so he did something that vaporized the steel you would also automatically vaporize everything else it's inside the structure except for those straps except for those visco elastic elastic dampers there again okay the perimeter of the building is exposed to the outside air and steel is a high conductor of heat so it's something was melting inside I mean you have glass furnaces where they use buckets in melt steel the outside of the building would have worked as a coolant and so to focus on the straps and extrapolate that there were no floors in there and to focus on the dust and say that they carried dust in the building but that the building didn't contain concrete is kind of a spurious circular argument you know I appreciate the amount of work that you've done on this and you've brought a lot of things to the table that will be discussed by everybody in the near future because this subject is just too glaring to ignore any longer but I can't agree with the hypothesis that the towers were hollow and I can't agree that they placed gypsum in there the volume difference even compressed between gypsum and concrete is minimal and so but then you've got to have a better explanation for it okay the straps just don't go away these straps here are still hanging in the lobby but the eye beams that they were attached to were gone so if it was if it was the a nuclear blast that wiped out all of these eye beams the straps would have been gone first I don't necessarily agree how can that be there's no sign at all I mean any of that structure on and I'll get to the to the the right screen here all of that just this is what I mean is that this is serious stuff that no I I don't think that there's any way to explain that other than dismantling because you can't have a nuclear bat blast wiping out that heavy eye beam stuff and keeping these flimsy straps in place and furthermore there is no there is no evidence of any of this material that would have been in case and concrete contrary to the straps that were not in case and concrete yet are still there that material would have been visible on all of the spandals every single one of them but it's not there nothing's there and I could go through and show you that it's way down here at the bottom yeah it's just such a long story good grief and don't be sure to comment yourself too if you want to yeah but yeah you can get us I've got a couple of things to run by everybody if I can do the screen share when Steve is yeah sure yeah but let me just get this out yeah let yeah let's Steve have his minute here okay right here right here I'll just try to put this as a full screen here I just can't I can't zoom in unless it's on this way but you can see you were talking about the the straps that the the your your nuclear blast wiping out everything all the way down to the steel I mean we're talking no sheet rock or anything there we don't have any electrical heaters where those used to be there there's nothing there at all but the straps are still here and you have evidence of where the the lobby ceiling met the spandial you don't see any of that above this area if the nuclear blast was able to wipe out the floors like that the straps would surely have been wiped out as well but so would the aluminum that that coated these mechanical floor columns here you've got everything above this area is wiped out to the steel but you don't have this stuff wiped out to the steel you can't have it both ways guys if it was nuclear there'd be none of this stuff there okay I get yeah my intention is that the the nuclear bombs were in the center of the building and if you want to share great so yeah where's my my point is okay where are the 47 core columns yeah well yes phones or chairs were falling in the rubble pile so well yeah none of that stuff was there I mean it's not in the it's not in the rubble file and that's and that stuff doesn't easily turn to dust I mean we can if you want I mean do you want to share or do you want me to talk about what I because a lot of the people want to stuff up go ahead and then I'll like I mean I it goes everywhere I'm not sure where we are now but if you want to look at I mean some of the things that I've seen with the nuclear argument is that you know these rock formations well that's just because of the way manhattan sits on this gravelly bar and that's that's actually why the bathtub was built was because you dig three feet down and you get water in manhattan so to prevent because they had a big out such a big foundation to reach bedrock they had to dig out so much of the gravelly foundation of manhattan that they would have drained they would have collapsed much of manhattan by digging it out so they had to build the bathtub to keep the Hudson river out that's why the bathtub is there and that's why this you got all this erosion stuff from thousands of years of underwater glacier activity and you can see these these rock formations all over manhattan it's not just in in the World Trade Center the evidence that the dust was there in advance is just you can see it right in the in all of the explosions right here uh the paper okay please explain this I'll play this for you play that again okay someone just catapulted a rainbow of paper out the window catch that yeah the the paper argument you know I got bored with that probably five years ago yep but you can see that catapulted out there right most people don't see that yeah here we see it again this is this is the dust this is right after the first impacts all around the base of the towers yeah every office building I've ever been in has that a lot of paper in it yeah but they'll catapulted out by the rain yeah they don't yeah because they're not newt well there's nobody they weren't newt at that point don't I mean if you go back oh what is going on you go back to that point they were they weren't they weren't being newt at that point that was just they were spulding this is after after the the uh impacts and you just see a big lot of paper thrown out the window somebody chucked it out the window man what else can you explain that with it didn't just fall out I mean what did they have you saw the way these buildings were built you saw the interior of them there was no what do they have a shelf right there in the window okay now someone had to open the window and throw the paper out okay and there is evidence of but but glass wasn't even there do you don't even see glass and that's one of the things I was showing you here is this is the impact evidence of the north tower on the very right and there's this looks like fabric you you can see the footage of it it's actually flapping in the breeze and it's attached to the the frames there's no glass there's no broken glass here at all what was covering these windows I mean this you don't have shades that are attached to the frames Steve Steve the glass in the exterior building is tempered glass and it would have broken in uh to little bit of squares just like the glass breaks in the windows of side windows of your cars it's not laminated next thing is the united states had a gb u five thousand pound bunker buster bomb and realized they weren't going to be able to access all of the tunnels that they needed to an afghanis and a hardened silo sites so they developed had Boeing developed the moab mother of all bombs bunker buster it was 30 thousand pounds it was thirty six inches in diameter and twenty feet long but it could do a pretty good job the reason we dropped one of those on afghanistan is because all of your chemical explosives are unstable over time and the same thing with the highly refined uranium and plutonium they go into nuclear weapons it becomes unstable so the weapons have to be rotated out of service and and then dismantled so we had moabs that were going to blow up at somebody's airbase if we didn't get rid of them the and they were never replaced because they developed a plasma bunker buster which is in one of the seventy articles at veterans today explaining nuclear education and the plasma buster is capable of putting out a boring a hole through granite four thousand feet deep if you had a bunk buster even half size in the basement of this building you could burn out the core of this building just like a volcano but then to keep it from spewing and looking like a volcano you would plant many nukes at the top of the building and fire them sequentially coming down to put a cap of dust and debris on top of that chimney that the outside of the building is working on it's morose to have to talk about this but i think what we need to do is explain all of the possible options and as far as i'm concerned the seventy articles that are under nuclear education at veterans today have the best explanation possible we'll put up a link for that but the article was nine one breaking nine one one building in the map tracing the nukes and that article was in october 5th of 2016 and it has a seventy five article bibliography anybody that wants to be an expert witness on what happened at nine one one needs to read their material where they described that these were the w 54 daily crocket but zooka artillery grounds that were outdated and were sent to pan tex and amarillo for reprocessing they were transferred ownership from uh... dode to doe the people in doe shipped them through the port of houston they were reprocessed and turned into weapons that have been distributed worldwide and use worldwide but there's the evidence support that but there's the evidence support that i've maintained it does not those straps definitely have to be answered if you think that the whole interior was wiped out with a nuk you got explain the the dampers and you got to explain the straps there's no other way around it and also you want to talk about windows explain this you see the screens hung over these spandrels see that okay all right where's the glass the glass why would there be screens there why would there be screens there at all if this was an office building that was wiped out you guys better answer these questions okay i mean that's that's what so that's what gets me going so much is that we can't just write this stuff off if it doesn't suit your your hypothesis the straps have to be answered and the elastic dampers do as well as the missing windows what's up with this you guys got to talk about this stuff i know you want to talk about how much you know the the building can be erupted from the inside but the evidence doesn't support that you've got evidence of existing material where it met the wall you should see that on every other floor and if it's not on every other floor why is it on the lobby and how can the nukes have wiped out the i beams and not the vest the visco elastic dampers i mean these straps right here this is evidence of dismantling guys there is no other way to explain they could not have wiped out the i beams with a nuke and if they did wipe out the i beams with a nuke then they would have wiped out the aluminum cladding that wrapped these columns as well and then you would see the material above that space but you don't see anything at all above here you see the the straps hanging from the mechanical room ceiling and the hanging from the lobby ceiling above that there is nothing so it doesn't make any sense that they nuke these things there's not it's not supported by the evidence and if you say it is i maintain that can't have happened with those straps hanging in there there's just no way Jim is it possible for you to import the image from veterans today that shows the elevations of the two buildings and the amount of material that's that's available at the ground zero site at the end of the event i don't know that i could do that on this occasion Joe we can certainly bring it in on a subsequent exchange in other words this is a preliminary okay where where yeah he was laying out his case for consideration and subsequent to re-bottle and potential refutation yeah and it's it's it's it's quite a long one so uh I was going to touch as well on the propaganda that goes into it because a lot of because a lot of this at i'll talk it as well about the the mechanical floors which are a big deal okay those straps I'm not going to let you guys go on the straps and the the visco elastic dampers you got to answer because to me they are evidence that they weren't nuked they are evidence that they weren't hit with directed energy they are evidence that they were dismantled okay here's the way it works with the explain the the 600 to uh uh uh two thousand degree temperatures at ground zero for six months after nine eleven absolutely they lied they lied look at the authorities look at the sources that's where it came from and i was just asking to get explained that let's look at that let's look at those claims we've got footage directly after the the i think the north tower south collapse after one of them i got around here somewhere i lost my way but uh you can see fireman just walking around after the collapse directly afterward there was no smoldering there was no you know hot spots from space all that stuff was added by the authorities it was provided by the guys who were selling us planes same people Steve okay now when i when i when i when i nuclear bombs detonated underground it takes time for the heat to travel up to the surface okay but we had reports from firefighters of steel running like rivers yes all right this is directly after the impact you can see a lot of empty bullholes wherever you look in the debris field a lot of empty bullholes and you see these firefighters walking around they're not worried about stepping into molten steel anywhere we've we want to go into the propaganda of the whole thing it's you know the the whole you can go back to the FEMA photo shoot i'll take you to where that was uh let me just go let me just go explain the the FEMA side here FEMA had a photo shoot just directly after the collapses but FEMA had showed up after they had been sorting the place with heavy equipment for some time so what happened what that means is that they had all these guys showing up for a photo op after the equipment had been already digging through the material and piling it into his to the piles for probably weeks before FEMA actually showed up with search dogs you could tell this is a pure propaganda photo shoot because this is the same platform they're walking on got two different dogs posing for the camera and if you know anything about dogs these dogs don't have any idea what they're doing here uh let's see one of the next one from the current slide the search dogs were showed up weeks afterwards all the equipment has been sorted already uh there's no if they're looking for bits of of bodies you know it's already been ground down ball the heavy equipment and these guys are just here for the photo op this guy says get me out of here you can see that he's concerned this guy what am I doing here and then you look around more shots from the rear this is a huge photo op from FEMA this is just he's supposed to design to make us look like we had guys from all over the world they're brave NYPD are brave who these guys rescuing I mean what are they who are they trying to fool here america we have guys in full combat fatigues as well and we have evojima we even have evojima look at that we have the fire fighters brave fire they're housing down what what's burning now okay this is that that you're talking about the smoldering fires right well okay well let's look at that's probably a smoke machine I don't know you guys are gonna drive go crazy for that one but I'll show you why Kurt Sondafield was we want to brought us this propaganda and this is the guy that is you know shot by the CIA and the feds for having killed his wife and now he's like political prisoner somewhere in Argentina okay well that's a great way to to build your street cred with the truth community but the guy was pure bullshit it's all propaganda and you can you can tell that it's tied in with the propaganda besides all of the posing of with the dogs that makes no sense whatsoever you got this guy here which is Tony Benetotis I if I get that name wrong he's the guy that was the probi that was the not a film was doing their their documentary about and he shows up in the FEMA photographs okay Tony Benetotis okay here's the inside of lobby you can see all this material that just wasn't there all this stuff is gone there's not a bit of any of this stuff in the demolition photos right so you should see you know the the ibeams that supported the the the mezzanine as well they're all gone there's nothing there at all okay you guys are saying it was newt but they didn't touch those straps so you got to answer that one over here look who we see here you recognize this guy this is Jimmy Grillo he's a real firefighter he's not just an actor or a what you know what I call him a crisis actor like you've seen a lot of people say this guy's a real firefighter he was with at least back in 2006 there were still articles about him with me and my FDNY but lastly Raphael rest in peace exposed the whole not a film as being a propaganda piece that would make triumph of the will pay a like a person and he names names is this is this is what I would say is required reading for anybody for 9-11 is this is a tom it'll take you a long time to go through he totally dismantles the whole movie and names names OEM office of the mayor FDNY he talks about how there was never any any you got a read article I don't want to get into that right now it's just really a piece of work but in the Nadeh footage we see Grillo in the Nadeh footage or one of the Nadeh actors we see in the FEMA photo so we see Grillo who is who is this guy here look at the space hamburger man right the real firefighter so I'm sure you guys have seen this before I'm just going to skip onto the next piece so on the very next day this is Grillo one day 12 hours later or not 24 hours later he's on Larry King live look at that amazing healing ability there I don't know about you but I've faced planted off a bicycle before and I looked a whole lot worse the next day than I did the day I did it so this guy we're obviously wearing stage makeup I know you guys are going to hate me for that but you can see him here Larry King the very next day okay Steve go ahead okay yeah I don't have argument with all of this stuff and the the very fact that the material is not at the base of the building vast amounts of material just proves your argument because I couldn't possibly remove the missing amount of material any way through the front door or are pretended that it was there when it when it was there for 30 years but you seem to be hung up on these braces I sent you the FEMA analysis of this last night it's a 40 page document it's at FEMA.gov and it's FEMA 403 underlying CH2 and that document explains that they had those Iso dampers only on I believe four floors and there was only like 1200 of them in the whole building what those are therefore is to catch the harmonics of the building and Trent and and damper that harmonics out those wouldn't have occurred on every floor so but they were still there on some floors and if they were wiped out by nukes they should have been wiped out too. The floors where you see something hanging down is bottom cord bridging and like I said I mentioned before steel is a really good conductor of heat and that would have had a welded connection to the joist as the joist failed it would have broken it a weld possibly on the wall or possibly at the joist depending on the bill your mode but that's your relevant and you're focusing on minutia when we've got a 600,000 tons of material that's not on the ground that there's no excuse for not being there and and being a hollow building you can't take what's in that hole and rebuild a fraction of the building that's missing you can't even rebuild the walls the exterior walls that are missing and we know there was a restaurant on the top of it for 30 years that it's okay I'm not saying that stuff wasn't there Joe I'm saying where was it at the time of demolition because you see evidence of where the lobby ceiling was you see evidence of the the aluminum cladding that wrapped the the columns of the mechanical floor you see all these things hanging there that weren't encased in concrete but up above that you see nothing that was encased in concrete Joe you can't have it both ways either all of this stuff would be wiped out including the stuff below or none of it was duked they couldn't have just killed the stuff above here and not the stuff down here there are certainly materials and methods available that are beyond general knowledge and we're constantly finding out more things yesterday while I was researching this I happened to go to wiki nitroglycerin and it was patented by Nobel and 1867 is in in stabilized in the form of TNT which nitroglycerin had been around since 1847 but it was so unstable you couldn't use it or transport it until Nobel came up with a way of stabilize it with larger molecules and but it still is unstable well what wiki says and you know I always curious about them as a source but what they said was that it when you boil nitroglycerin it produces 1300 times the volume that it had as a liquid and it also vaporizes and burns at 5,000 degrees centigrade which is 9,000 degrees Fahrenheit so there again you've got one other material that could have been placed in that building in conjunction with nuclear bombs that would have been ignited and and burn out the whole core of the building there's there's no material from the rest of the exterior walls you couldn't build a fraction of the exterior wall that's missing and much less all the stuff that we know for a fact was in the interior of the building so you know I don't want to you don't you don't know for a fact but Joe you're you're assuming because the port authority has we have to take their word for it they they are not answering to the public we have to take their word on the tenant lists and everything what I'm doing is examining the evidence that the scene of the crime because I know these people can lie and do lie and that we've we've already seen them lie repeatedly but what I'm saying is you can't have your nuclear blast and still have these straps and still have those visco elastic dampers there you can't have it both waste Joe and you are trying to well you can stay three again because the buildings were nubes and then you're you're picking some of the well no the minutia is pretty important details and there's often the very small detail that will blow the whole case open and in this case the guys have to answer the straps well yeah okay you're you're ignoring the elephant in the room okay you have to explain how thousands of tons of material were ejected out I am explaining it they were there it wasn't there and I can I can show you the footage of the dust that was actually pouring out you want to see that let's just let's talk about the evidence I want to go and stay steve let let on lay out is sure I yeah go ahead share your screen done okay let me yeah let me grab here just a sec okay a couple of points I'm gonna go over all right I'm gonna you want to let go of the screen share Steve okay not you're having oh I can't grab it okay there we go all right all right sure screen you guys see it yep yep okay you might want to go to full screen I don't know you see all right let's all this web browser doesn't go full screen then okay okay okay so first things first all right so this is from government computer news handheld held app ease recovery tasks so they're talking about it for six months after September 11th the ground temperature varied between 600 degrees Fahrenheit and 1500 degrees sometimes higher so you have to come up with a mechanism that destroyed the buildings that can produce that level of heat for six months all right and yeah we Steve talked about that but let's so okay the the do people the Judy would people want to say there was no high heat there was no fire well Charlie Vitchers was one of the guys that worked at ground zero and there's out of his I got it from his Google book the fires were very intense on the pile the heat was very intense in some places you couldn't even get on to it in summer it is where you could walk you travel another five feet and then you could just feel the heat coming up and you would have to just back off you'd say to yourself I can't see a fire but I can feel the heat so something's wrong here and you'd back off that was one of the concerns we had about putting equipment on the pile because the operators were sitting eight to ten feet above the debris pile in their calves and couldn't feel the heat but they're carrying a hundred gallons of diesel fuel hydrolycles is another flammables and there was nothing to stop the heat from wrecking the machine if they got stuck in a place where the heat was so intense that it would set the machine on fire that operator wasn't going to make it out we were so lucky we didn't lose anyone we lost a lot of equipment mostly due to collapses but we didn't have any piece of equipment catch on fire or anything like that but Hoses melted yeah Hoses melted and there was a lot of damage to tires some of them melted just from being too close I mean the bottom of your shoes would melt so it was hot it ground zero they called they called the World Trade Center one was called the 2000 degree pit no I'm sorry I'm sorry but if if your bottom of your shoes are melting your feet are cooking you guys it just it's it's a lie this is bullshit the guys full shit he's I'm sorry well okay well and you can see it in the evidence that I keep pointing to that you guys don't are you're not you still have to talk about those straps you can't have everything else wiped out but not those flimsy straps that are just sitting there and those visco elastic dampers you guys want to talk about it I showed you windows that were not there screens hung over windows you got to talk about that stuff okay the windows didn't vaporize they had screens over them I showed you the photograph you can see the wrinkles of the screens how does that fit with yours and not with mine just just to make one obvious point see there there many ways this could have been arranged you could have had many or micro-nukes above the lobby level and you would have these residual effects with the straps you keep emphasizing and it nevertheless have been a nuclear event it simply wasn't done at that level so I think it being overly aggressive in not allowing opportunity here just to reflect on the big picture it seems to me a major issue you have not addressed is the fact that the buildings were destroyed too or even below ground level Father Frank Morales was on my shows twice he was a first responder from St. Mark's Episcopal Church he emphasized that point if this was some kind of collapse is you're suggesting because they disassembled the building where did all the mass of material then wind up because it's not in the footprint this is a contrast with building seven we had five and a half floors 12% of the original 47 which is typical experience with controlled demolition you should have 13 and a half floors roughly speaking in the debris pile for each of the twin towers and it's not there so it seems to me that's an issue you need to address that's a way to do it what do you think I've been doing Jim I'm saying it wasn't there because it wasn't there they they just meddled it you can see it in the debris field exactly exactly so it was a big-ass con job I'm just looking at the evidence Jim I'm not saying what you want to believe you guys have to explain these things if it's if if you I'm just let me say all right the missing debris here is something that has to be answered because it's a big deal sure it's not there because it wasn't there at the time of demolition it may have been there at the time of construction but it obviously a pile of debris ought to have been there had this been a classic controlled demolition of 210 story buildings by any design you configure if a 47 if a 47 story floor at least five and a half floors at debris from a classic controlled demolition and you would surprise that it ought to have been on the order of 13 and a half now you're claiming it's overwhelmingly less than that and you know because you're saying that things that's the original material just wasn't there and this you really I'm saying so because that's what the evidence shows here and if it if I'm wrong then you guys have to explain these straps you're saying that's just some magical nuclear blast didn't target the straps but targeted the ibeams they were connected to that's absurd I'm sorry but that's crazy just call down for god's sake we're going to be in time and you keep narrowing in like a hammer that's not necessary Steve we're seeking to sort it out for a crime out loud well you don't get the luxury of just writing it off if it doesn't fit nobody's writing it off Steve for Christ's sake okay well all right Steve okay let's take a look at let's take a look at the North Tower demo all right so before the North Tower came down we have a series of seven huge explosions okay you have to account for these seven huge explosions and you can it's it's on the movie 9-11 eyewitness or a ton of youtube videos and it's consistent with everyone that was at ground zero so you have to account for seven huge explosions the first one's massive and then the another series of explosions and then the North Tower starts coming down right here after what's the source of these information this is 9-11 eyewitness Rick Seagal went down there and just set up a camera across across the river and film the whole thing yeah but where where the seismic explosions coming from the film okay so and it's these explosions are clearly audible and after each explosion you can see you can see smoke coming up yeah well you have to account for seven explosions that's just before the North Tower there was nine explosions before the South Tower came down okay so you have to account for that and then you have to account for when the North when the North Tower exploded debris was ejected out at a 45 degree angle this is a 45 degree and stuff is going up so you have to account for how does how does thousands of tons of material go up and so you can see it land in the winter garden which is 600 feet away it doesn't it's not going up it it falls away that's it it arcs out because it's coming from above down and yeah they obviously did demolish these building with conventional demolition and you can see the dust pouring out of it even before they're collapsing you can see the paper pouring out of it even before they're collapsing you can see the dust right here pouring out and again this is another one of those things the minutiae that you guys got to talk about we're all for minutiae steve and i want you know stop mean so obnoxious all right we're here to have a story i'm not being obnoxious you and you are ignoring you're ignoring the obvious disjunction that either the mass wasn't there to begin with or the mass was vaporized by for example news that's what you're saying it was Joe Joe has made a point steve i get a chance to say a few words okay i'm getting you hours to do that Joe has made the point that your theory of the hollow tower is inconsistent with the behavior of the structures as a whole as a totality frankly i've always believed the idea of hollow towers was absurd but i wanted to give you the opportunity to lay it out and we're giving you that opportunity but you cannot be so arrogant as to ignore our opportunity to respond all right you really are pissing me off steve sorry thank you uh the the uh drawing that Dave just had up with the trajectory you fall out of gun horizontally and you shoot a gun up in the air and the bullet uh is going to be drawn down by the gravity it to go 600 feet you couldn't take a portion of that building and shoot it horizontally without having an enormously higher velocity to go vertical uh exact horizontally as to shoot it up at an arc so just the basic trajectory of something if you wanted to shoot it at a 45 degree angle you would get the maximum amount of travel before gravity pulled it back down if you shoot something horizontally you're going to have less than half of that travel distance unless you have four times the amount of velocity that's a basic energy equation so either you have something that produces four times the velocity to throw that material that far or you've got something that doesn't we say that there was pressure built inside the building that was blowing stuff out and i'm also saying that it appears that there was controlled simultaneous demolition from the top floors down that kept a cap of pulverized material sitting on top of that chimney now the straps are completely irrelevant to every other argument that is there as far as the physics and the remaining debris and so we're not going to discuss straps in the 1200 uh by so elastic dampers that you don't find in the in the debris pile we can discuss all the other things we don't find in t