JIM FETZER "The Raw Deal" (5-5-19) Nick Kollerstrom "The Dark Side of Isaac Newton"

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And we'll have the endurance to collect on his insurance. Loads of London will be loaded when they go. We will all fry together when we fry. We'll be French, right? If you had just kind of glitched before, let us hope we return. It's a glitch, all right? It's a glitch, all right? We will all go together when we fry. Can you hear me? I know this is the far move. One of the two second to let us be. What a coincidence. There's no delay. No, I'm just saying that. What I see on the screen. It's time. Nick, it's going out over the end of the bar. You will be come as you are. Come as you are indeed. It's my great pleasure to feature a very special guest from London in the UK. He's an historian of science. He has made many superb contributions to understand contemporary affairs. He cracked the 7-7 London subway attack by discovering the four young Muslim Blads who'd apparently been lured into playing a role, have not been able to reach the tube stops in time for the explosions to go off because it trained from Luton that day had been cancelled. His book, Terror on the Tube, now in third, possibly even fourth edition has been a best seller. He has also explored also false flag attacks across the continent, where his book Chronicles of False Flag Terror, Inventory 13, no less than 13. He's also not shy to wave from other controversial events. He has a brilliant book on the life in death of Paul McCartney. That's right. Paul Drey, it appears around 9-11, 19-66, and was replaced by someone I find to be an even better musician of fascinating story there. He's also not shy to wave from contesting the mythology of World War II, which has been a personal cost to him in terms of a position at the University of London, he'd long held, for having challenged the myth of the Holocaust. He's an admirable man, one of my favorite intellectuals in the entire world. Nick Coliston, welcome to the raw deal. All right. Thanks Jim. Thanks very much. What he talked about, the London bottoming, that was the time when the authorities started to think that they didn't really want me at their college anymore. There's always a difficult decision with an academic. Do you play safe? I mean, the Newton book that I hope we can talk about today is like 20 years of work, but it's mainly from before when I was at my college, you see. This was academic type work I did, trying to suss out who the characterizing Newton, and that sort of all came to an end when the authorities decided the things you just mentioned that I was chucked out of the college. You were just a controversial guy, you were presenting too many inconvenient truths, my friend. Wow, I suppose so. There's something mood when you're in Akadem, you're kind of a bit detached and you're kind of safe, you know, and you can talk about references and what sounds so said. And but in a way, the public aren't interested. The academics kind of realise that they've lost the public down a faith in them, and it's very rare for anyone in Akadem to be able to reach across to the public. I mean, most people who know me today, as if my life began, when I was chucked out of the college, you know. It was in there, something, yeah. Well, we started talking after I chucked out of my college, and then you think, oh god, it's all over now, but actually it sort of begins because people, you're doing things of your own initiative, not because it's okay by Akadem. So, you know, there's a huge difference. I couldn't agree more, Nick. Parallel to me after my retirement in June of 2006, after a 35-year career as a professor of philosophy, offering principally courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning, although I already organised conferences on JFK, published three volumes of expert studies, plus a co-authored book on the plane crash, that killed Senator Paul Wellstone, a small-scale conspiracy that appears to have been brought about by Dick Cheney, Carl Rove, and Donald Rumsfeld, because Wellstone was opposing them on Iraq, Cheney actually threatened him personally with severe ramifications, if he stood up against them, which he proceeded to do, there could be no more severe ramifications and for the state to lose it, Senator, he to lose his life along with that of his wife and daughter. It was a stunning development, but Nick. So, you followed that, didn't you? You followed what kind of beam weapon it was that they used to take him out. Didn't you? That's right. It was a directed energy weapon, and I flew up from Australia, John P. Costella, who has a Ph.D. in electromagnetism, to assist me in research after I brought him up previously, to do research on the Great Zapruder film hoax. John has done the best tutorial showing the internal properties of the film, that reveal it to be a fabrication, which anyone can find for themselves at my site, assassination science.com, or on the internet journal that John and I co-edited, assassinationresearch.com, actually brilliant stuff, Nick. And of course, indeed, yes, we are here to talk about your latest contribution, the dark side of Isaac Newton. Yeah, let's say, Nick, I find this completely and utterly fascinating. You take on the standard accounts about Newton, which glorify him as it is mine in the history of science. I was the standing of Newton even exceeds that of Albert Einstein. Yeah. Yeah. I'll show the cover here for those who see the video, right? Yeah. I had it. I had it, but I took it off when I began reading your book, right? I'm glad. Honestly, he was amazing, mathematical genius, but at the same time, he couldn't really relate to other people. I think that's in this book, I'm trying to show the real human being behind the demigod myth. There's a sober human demigod myth that's been built up in the 18th and 19th centuries of this man. And it involved a whole lot of what other people have done, getting attributed to him, you see? I got to see it. I gradually realized that the actual guy hadn't done this and hadn't done that. But he got a knack of somehow getting the credit for these things. And I think that's what I've been trying to do, you know? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you are an iconoclast of the highest standing. You're a revisionist historian. You want to get things right. And I'm fascinated because among those you cite, of course, are the author of Never At Rest by Sam Westfall, who was one of my own professors in the history of science when I earned my degree at Indiana University. Wow, fantastic. At Grant did ancient and medieval and then Westfall did modern science. And my dissertation for Wesley Samen, it was a really wonderful program at the time, Nick, one of only two in the United States, where you could get a PhD in the history and the philosophy of science. The other, of course, being at Pittsburgh. Yeah, well, I feel it's very much a failed discipline, you know? I mean, I took a couple of degrees in it. And I always felt it should critique modern science and where it's going to and so on. But it doesn't seem to do that at all. It doesn't judge or evaluate what's gone wrong with modern science. How it's been, you know, corrupt and taken over by the military. Now, I think that's what people want to hear. And I think maybe I think I'm rather more suspicious about the whole direction, where is modern science going and, you know, how beneficial is it? And perhaps that comes out in this bugery I've done of Eisen Newton that is theoretical knowledge of a very abstract kind. You know, you're right, this big masterpiece that hardly anyone could follow. And the practical guy Robert Hook, everyone liked him. And he was, he held the early role society together. He did all these experiments. He wrote this bestselling popular book, everyone liked reading. And basically, he spent 20 years of his life developing this whole career of gravity and how it works and the planets and how things fell on the earth. And then he was personally kind of smashed the bits when he realized because he hadn't put things in writing properly, not in any very, not adequately, he realized that Newton had taken it all over from him. That's because he starts, he actually starts, he got Newton's dust on by writing to Newton. And he, it's quite a stunning story you lay out here. Nick, I'm very, very impressed. We can go back, for example, to Newton's laws of motion and the law of universal gravitation. Yeah. What can be put as every object in a state of uniform motion will remain in that state of motion and less an external force acts upon it. Yeah. And in some variations, see every object will remain at rest or in a state of uniform motion viewing rest as a uniform motion with zero acceleration. Well, that was in the mid mid 1680s that he, he formulated all his all came together in his mind. But earlier on in the late 1670s, Rob Huck was developing these ideas that about why straight line motion was natural in the first law of motion. And he wrote to Newton about this and he was lecturing the Royal Society about it. At that time, Newton was totally obsessed by his word, alchemical experiments. You know, he was trying to get all this funny alchemical stuff to work. And he had an alchemical laboratory in his back garden, he was at Trinity College. And he frankly wasn't interested in what Rob Huck was trying to tell him. Rob Huck wrote a letter to him about this universal inverse square law gravity. And kind of asking you and if you could work out how the maths worked at all. And you didn't actually wasn't really interested, you just put it aside. And it was only some years later that Rob, that Edmunds Halley came to him. The young astronomer Edmunds Halley rolled up to Cambridge and started talking to him. Ed is named. Or whom Halley's comment is named. Yeah, whom Halley's comment. And he started telling them, and Huck and Halley and Christopher Rember, good friends. Thanks to talk about this stuff. And Halley put the problem to Newton. And Newton Simpson made the claim that he'd already done it years ago. And that's the way the story's told. But actually had. Yeah, what he's talking about are the elliptical orbits of the planets around the Sun. And yeah, the word or two, a background for those of our audience less familiar when the history of science. From the time of Aristotle, a fundamental distinction had been drawn between the terrestrial physics or Earth born physics and celestial or solar physics. Or objects in the celestial sphere was also supposed to involve in perfect circular motion. And they were supposed to be perfectly spherical objects. Whereas on Earth, it was more of a rectilinear motion where objects wouldn't fall to Earth. Yeah. Newton is generally regarded as having achieved. And this is a background too, where let me proceed with Ptolemy and Copernicus. Ptolemy worked out a very elaborate theory of the motion of planets in order to preserve the theory of circular motion that involved. What we're known, you know, epicycles and so forth refined by Copernicus, equates a whole lot of funny apparatus to preserve the illusion. A perfectly circular orbits were Kepler based upon the naked eye observation of Tyco Brahi was able to establish that in fact, the path of the planets around the Sun were not perfectly circular, but rather were elliptical. Yeah, right. Yeah. Kepler offered several laws about the coverage of equal distance and equal times and so that we're utterly fascinating. Yeah. We're hallowey, for example, seeking to ask if Newton had figured out what mathematical relationship would generate the laws identified by Kepler. Here in addition, Galileo, the great Galileo who is the first to use a telescope actually of his own design and turn it to the heavens shattered the Aristotelian document and all of us celestial bodies were perfectly spherical and smooth by looking surface of the moon, which was all irregular and Bachmark, which was very disturbing to the bishops of Padua. And we're discovering the moons that were circling Jupiter, which he referred to as the Medichin stars and nature stars. Yeah, right. They mean them after the famous and wealthy family of Italy. But he also discovered the law of falling bodies were new and it's supposed to have provided a synthesis of Galileo's terrestrial physics with Kepler. Yeah, well, he did. He did his big book and this very script of a maths did integrate all these different things that you've said. Okay, that did happen. But what I'm saying is he thought that if you acknowledge Robert Hock and said Robert actually figured out the inverse square law grabs him, tell me about it. He thought his own mind that he would lose all the credit, you see, which he wouldn't have done. He's still what have synthesized things, but anyway, he did twist and alter the story at the past to try and make out that he had got the story long, long before he had in his mother's garden. He saw an apple fall all that. Well, that just didn't happen at all. It was many years later after having been chopping down a cherry tree, Nick. Like, are you watching a chopping down a cherry tree and this father has some who did it? He said, I cannot tell why. Well, this apple tree, up in Grantham and all of things that's supposed to be from Newton's family, right? Of course. And so that story made up right the end of his life. He made that up right the end of his life. You saw an apple fall when it's actually four years old, he made up that story. And that has kind of immortalized him that he thought of things falling down when he saw an apple fall. But actually, it was only after Edmunds Halley came to visit him in the 1680s that Newton finally realized this is where the action was. He better forget about his word, our chemical theories. He published, get this. He had published an article about gravity. He sent it to the Royal Society, a letter, sorry, a letter non-askal, explaining how things fall down because of the special ether, a very sticky ether that was flying down was, and it grabbed hold of things and pulled them down. And that was his alchemical picture of the world. And that ether went right down into the center of the earth and then came up again. So he'd been spending years developing his own alchemical theory of gravity. And after Halley came to visit him, he realized how wrong he'd been. God, what nonsense he'd been hanging on to and developing. And he couldn't admit that Rob Hutt was right. Everything Rob Hutt told him, he had to develop and then pretend that it wasn't from Hutt. And he had to marginalize Hutt. And so Hutt got pushed out of the story by this immense, and after that, I think the very deceptive thing, the very deceptive character, Newton was very devious deceptive character for much of his life. Although he had a knack up succeeding. He succeeded in just about everything he tried to do, you know, became President of the Royal Society, then he became master of the men's, then he got knighted, justice of the peace. You know, he totally was succeeded. Now this image of Grant Matarse and his opinion was sort. But some it was deceptive the way he imagined that and totally screwed over Rob Hutt. In fact, the only person he treated as Barbies, that was the great mathematician, Leibniz, right? Yes. Okay, well, I could just perhaps come onto this. So his Principia, this big masterpiece he came out with in the 1680s, a geometrical style, a very inscrutable geometry that nobody could actually, people couldn't really follow it or he could just enormous effort you could bring up to. But if I had my Euclid in his development or presentation neck. Yeah, it's Euclidian, right? Now, the new maths that Leibniz and invented is colleagues of the continent, Bernoulli brothers and not Bernou, got free into Baron von Leibniz. Invented this amazing new technique, which was the differential calculus. And that was coming to be seen as the greatest invention since the zero. And a whole lot of new math, basically all the mathematics of motion could be tackled using this new differential method. And so as we moved over into the 18th century, as the 18th century began, British methods just started to realize that they were very much behind in all this. And their method of doing maths was very much behind anything was happening on the continent. And Newton published stuff on basically inscrutable calculus. He needs to understand that inscrutable calculus developed earlier. That's inscrating stuff that developed earlier than the differential method. And Leibniz got the notation that we still used to do. So he's all around the world. He's got the greatest mathematical invention ever. Linking it, inscrutable differential calculus, right, with the YDX and all that. And Newton about 30 or 40 years after that, he published his version. Just be aware it's at least 30 years difference between Leibniz publishing first and then Newton. Late Newton in the 18th century publishing his version. Basically Newton was very good at inscrutable calculus. I think inscrutable calculus was used in his in his brain Kip-R. But he never really used differential calculus. He just didn't use it. He used this first geometric methods that he could do. But the whole point of this new calculus was that he didn't have to draw the geometric diagrams anymore. It just the maths just worked by itself. And so there was a terrific row in which the Ross Newton manipulated the Ross Society. He was the president, right? And he just managed to cast Leibniz to some sort of fraud because him and him and Leibniz are quite friendly correspondents many years ago in their youth in the 1670s. I'll talk him out maths this and that and infinite series that Newton be looking at. And Newton tried to claim that in those letters he had sent to Leibniz the differential method, which he had, right? Wasn't there at all. So there was a terrific row and in the end the Ross Society produced a report which cast Leibniz and some sort of fraud. And so this whole Europe got to hear about this big debate in which Newton kind of screwed over Leibniz and destroyed quite destroyed his reputation. Right? And then as if that weren't enough, the German, Leibniz was working for the German royal family and they came over to England as a big change in dynasty. And Newton became the sort of court philosopher of this new Hannah Varian monarchy that came over to England. So he totally crushed Leibniz in that respect. I always like the most distinguished philosophers of the sciences in Europe. Yeah. It's absolutely fascinating. Just to return to the laws of motion, which of course are three in number. I mentioned about every object even being at rest or in the state of uniform motion and remaining in that state and less acted upon by an external force. The second it attributed to Newton is that force equals mass times acceleration. Right. Markable things to say about there. Well, he didn't do that at all. That is mid 80th century. It's in France and Germany, the brilliant mathematician called Euler, Leonardo Euler, blind mathematician. He first made that amazing discovery. Effort was M.A. force equals mass times acceleration. And Newton said something much more rudimentary, which can sound a bit like it. It's about impulse. The impulse in a body is depends on how long it's. Is the force has exerted the impulse. What wasn't acceleration. It's. So it's what you might call changing momentum. That his second law was about. So it doesn't have anything about rate of change. That's the point. People always want to credit Newton with calculus. It comes about rate of change. Okay. Now, second law, as you close it, as we always hear it, is about rate of change. Effort was M.A. isn't it? Right. Change of momentum. And that's not there. It's. And his story is always give him the credit for it. Yes, yes. What you do a superb job of debunking that belief, although the history works will continue to reflect it indefinitely. The third, of course, for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. Those three laws are taken to define classical mechanics. Yeah. And then combined with the inverse square law for gravitational attraction to explain the phenomenon and how the universe is held together. And what I love about your work, Nick, is you have such a command of the mathematics and the physics and the history of science. It's true. Spectacular, my friend. I can't. All right. Well, that was like 20 years ago, Jim. What I published now, I spent a couple of years updating it and modernizing it. But this is work when I was at university, you know, I knew all the top, top Newton experts. And they were all there. And so I'd be going to conferences and stuff, you know. So I was all focused on it. So I'm telling the guy, that's how I could get that close detail focus on the subject. Yeah. It's not this book is not very much about anything. So mystical or alchemical. When I told people the dark side of us in Newton, they immediately assume it's about alchemy. And one of the ones that believe you had this big, terrific, you know, alchemical interest, which is much more than in he else, because he did write so much about it. But I think I think you're your focus on the basic physics on classical mechanics is much more forceful and appropriate than. Okay. You know, his, his alchemical misadventures. I mean, he's far from the only who believed it would be possible to transmute lead in the gold, for example. Right. Yeah. I have done here, Nick. I dare say no one else in the world could have done. That's my opinion. All right. Well, I'm hoping that some, some his science historian, buddies will review it and take notice of a gym. Remember that. Well, for us, we had some years ago with ISIS. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a. That was a funny. You, you helped me, you helped me out that, and you know, well, I, I was glad to lend a hand my friend. I mean, when you have a distinguished historian of science, making impeccable contributions to have them smeared from this side by someone who wants to preserve the mythology of World War 2. not cricket that's completely out of bounds it's completely inappropriate it's an ad hominem attack that has no place within science. Just to remind viewers that was a huge very very classy biographical and scientific feature astronomers that people were invited to contribute to and I was invited to do the section on arson uten and I did it and people quite liked it you know and they got a review in this top US journal called ISIS top history science journal by sound jugh swedler and he said he wanted to be pulped pulped the whole book should be pulped I mean it like half a thousand pages and hundreds of contributors have distinguished historians aside it was a masterpiece Nick and here's this guy swear glove from the university of Chicago was suggesting the whole book should be pulped not because it was anything defective about the fall for the stock but because Nick holerstrom and also written about world war two and debunked a lot of myths they're usually covered under the rubric of the holocaust Nick I am with you I cannot abide lies liars phony frauds this guy swear glove is a complete disgrace and with a public issue I entered on your side to explain why all of this attack upon you was inexcusable inappropriate very unfilisophical and a historic lie was really quite shocked by the yeah fortunately to my knowledge the book was not pulped in the editor but also none of them replied did they you've said unless it's a every committee member of the American society based true science didn't you yes I did every single one and not one of them replied did they no not one so I think there's this academic timidity that um it's a form of cowardice Nick and it has multiple sources I'm telling you it's white most academicians fear most is embarrassment they don't want a question from a student they kind of answer they don't want it you know appear in public and be confronted with issues well thank you this is getting worse Jim it's getting worse not just the salary the academic has got a salary right and doesn't want to lose the salary but also I think the journals that are publishing take advertising and they all then controlled by the advertising that they take and and so they don't want to be controversial and well I think there's a lot a lot of journals not really worth reading with a whole lot of detail academics in the thing they can go to boring detail about the past you know because they get paid for it and that won't help ordinary people to you know to relate to you know where is science going is it good for us where is it taking us that's the important question isn't it indeed it is Nick and as you were talking about the corruption of science it turns out whole departments at very prestigious universities have been bought up by corporations I mean just wholesale interfering you know how do you mean how do you mean what's up oh they are providing endowed chairs in the like Nick provided they're able to exert influence on the department right and it and it Dartmouth they took an FBI supported lab to bring in a guy named funny herod who's done outrageous work about JFK claiming he's shown the backyard photographs are authentic when we've demonstrated time and again that they're not we've even identified the body double who's stood in for Leos holding the backyard back yard photographs it was a Dallas police officer named Roscoe White who appears to have been an assassin who took out as many as 50 JFK witnesses Nick so this guy handy-fair and by having the imprimatur of Dartmouth is being given a certain degree of credibility he manifestly does not deserve I even wrote to the president of Harvard about the outrage of they're doing this a lab funded by the FBI Nick to give him cover the ride well I mean I find the department I was in uh it was science technology studies it was just telling materialistic telling endorse for example uh you know genetic genetically modified organisms that kind of research which I'm not keen on myself and uh it wouldn't critique or criticize anything about the way science was going and I think it was actually just as well I was chucked out of it because I wasn't in tune with it anymore you know um I mean I'm not scientists must be self-critical I mean it's an element of the scientific methodist of he's self-correcting so what you're talking about is actually the abandonment of science for the sake of politics politics yeah yeah and political correctness Nick and identity politics has been the the death knell for the democracy here in the United States where now we find massive censorship being uh exercise by the social media giant snake Facebook just in the last two days has been uh not only Alex Jones but Lewis Pericon and a host of others who oh good yeah contributing to the discussion by offering diverse points of view no one was with you except or reject them exactly yeah it's outrageous Nick poor well um I mean uh I haven't heard a lot of comments since this book was published it has got a minimal as you point out it has got a minimal amount of maths in it like uh you know centrifugal force for example it's just got some very rudimentary maths and um well it did it did have loads of footnotes actually but the publisher removed them all I said you know it doesn't really need them um but uh he's saying Nick it's a masterpiece and I'll tell you given the way history of science evolved over time this book to be required reading in every graduate course in the history of physics required reading in a few years in a hundred years Nick long after you're able to appreciate the the compliment it will begin to appear as footnotes originally and then some additional special studies that perhaps Newton didn't actually make all of the discoveries to which he's been given credit right it will it will be gradual and overtour yeah well I feel he is an eternal obviously he's the the kind of scientist him and go low like in the key scientist archetypes aren't they and I feel we do need the real character and also I'm especially interested in in the creative process how does new ideas come about and uh I look here at the struggle and the treachery whereby the the the no physics was being born and uh I think today we're more ready to hear about uh you know deception and people's ideas being stolen from in front of their noses rather than just having this genius you're looking all the old books of Newton and how does he get his ideas oh you just spent a long time thinking about it you know that's what they're saying and in like last century that's what people wanted to hear well it wasn't like that at all actually you know it was um other people got their stuff ripped off yeah somebody you could hardly relate to other people you know yes yes yes he I mean he believed that God was speaking to him he was felt that his God was close to him right and was revealing the stuff and that he was like a spokesman when he he would go on about religion a lot you know and and his God was this great watchmaker off above uh who set the whole machinery of the universe in motion and and he Newton was the special spokesman of this of this watchmaker God right um and uh so this led to a new theology and in the elementary deers and about um you know wasn't with the club well you know it's going for ever by itself and a lie which is part of the reason why quantum mechanics became so controversial since it and the clockwork universe implies determinism forever in fact there is a cause and you can uniquely predict the outcome if you know the cause and the laws in the case of a deterministic universe however the outcomes are only probabilistic and you cannot therefore predict given the cause what the outcome will be it's not quite playing with dice because actually if you know the momentum imparted on dice you can actually do a good job of predicting which way it's going to come up oh my god. The Einstein was initially disillusioned with a notion of indeterminism saying God does not play with dice he would modify his views and contribute to the quantum revolution of indeterministic uh physics at the atomic level poor right uh well if you have any ideas about how to get this through to physics graduate so uh you know get it reviewed at all um uh my publisher will send review copies out if we have ideas of who to send it to you know well most of the journals are pretty obvious are they not as he already sent them out to who knows isis might even be willing to give this a go i mean they may feel a sense of indebtedness a sense of guilt neck for their abuse of the past okay Jim i'll trust any to us is i think i should go to it yeah well there are half a dozen journals you know in the in the in the history of science and in the history and philosophy of science and yeah uh i would send copies to the department at Pittsburgh and at Indiana uh uh i think i think you ought to have a great shot at it because this is a sensational book i would even recommend maybe the top the science editors the science editors of the top newspapers in the country even the New York Times which has you know greatly diminished its standing because of its political orientation as this is in the area of science yeah i think the science editor would have a keen interest in there are several UK newspapers i'd also recommend that you know the the ones that have sections devoted to science get this into the hands of their editors neck and you could find that they actually are intrigued enough to do it justice to some degree which is all you need a foot in the door yeah you think some British newsspot is not second yeah i do okay well let me just add Jim natel sermon because you're talking about liveness yeah i think that would be a good idea because it relates to Galileo Italian as well i think you know some in in in day card the role of day card France i would target you know the leading newspapers like dare spingle and limon for example i would most certainly send them there i i think you've got a complete winner my friend it was fasting to me because it brought so much of my past study of the history of science when you mentioned key figures like i be calling in a hall and a host of others not to mention my very own professor of uh oh yeah yeah okay Jim well let me just mention also because i didn't my PhD in about Newton's struggle with the moon right yeah especially ancient that the moon and uh it was it was like one thing he was trying to predict exactly how it moved because that was the big challenge for everyone it's to be finding the longitudinal well ships out of sea and nobody could figure out how the moon moved it is very irregular you see and um so this is in the end of the 17th century beginning I said this was the last kind of attempt at the sound of Gensur prize that he what he did and um he strongly said it's one thing that only thing ever gave my headache so he struggled with it and he actually did quite well but um Britain's astronomer Roy Flamstone felt totally screwed over and manipulated it was a long story but he felt he started off great in Moringe Newton and then he felt Newton had to save dinner manipulated him and take the wise data and stop his work being published and uh and so there's a terrible then he got blame for everything that in fact Newton couldn't complete his fit work on the moon got blamed on Flamstone this poor astronomer who done his best to supply him with all his battery code so that's just one more person that Newton was very close to and worked with for years and then totally screwed over and totally blamed and you read biography as a flamstone down through the ages and he always get blamed for not having helped Newton enough and um I think that's part of Newton's knack of of of manipulating people that some uh I mean he's he's learned of stuff what was obviously it's very powerful and and he did it well did it with his grubby theory but uh I think we need to be aware of the human element whereby he he screwed over the main person and was giving him the data you know um it wasn't clear he he said that if he had seen further than others it had been because he had stood on the shoulders of giants but you suggest that was actually ironic and not quite intended in the straightforward way you might think well he said it uh oh Robohog he runs Robohog Robohog had a short hunchback figure you know so it's wrong at a ton's or so a ton's by the way um I talk it's something to great yeah um that's that's fairly embarrassing in and of itself I mean what you have demonstrated is there definitely was a dark side the Isaac Newton mm-hmm by the way since you've done so much on the moon I'm sure our audience would be fascinating why do we always see the same side of the moon why is the same side of the moon always facing her well that's probably it's incredibly difficult to answer Adam very little by way of any logical reason for that um what they found if um I don't know if you think that actually went out there but um uh they found that what I call mascones very dense concentrations of heavy metals uranium titanium iron were on the side facing the earth and not on the far side the moon is a bit sort of eye shaped it's got a bulge on the back away from us and the side facing us it's got this huge dark lava series that's what you see you see the face on the moon when you look at the moon right that's huge charcoal dark lava series very smooth and they have these heavy metals concentrated underneath it low much concentrations and nothing really figure out how they got there there would have to be some very hot phase in the moon for it's mostly molten and somehow got that around facing the earth but what's the first year some theories have it the moon was actually formed out of the earth and that we got the huge oceans as a consequence in part but I take it you give no credit to those oh it might have been yeah I mean there's different theories nobody knows how the moon was formed there's different theories uh what Newton said was he he summarized there was a bulge on the moon facing the earth and that gravity pool that bulge and that's why it faced earthwits and it's how it's held by gravity well that didn't quite work because the bulge was on the far side but there is this dense concentration of heavy metals and so the fit the fit now the series that gravity pulls on that and that's what holds it facing earthwits and that's like the best we can do right that's lately fascinating Nick they're actually the front and back of them are very different the back is just a lot of boring mountains it hasn't got the charming features that you see on the front side of huge lava series like the aristarchus crater and everything um so it's very much formed in relation to facing earthwits somehow but nobody quite knows how no well I'm sure now it's got no business being there really Jim it's much too large to be an ordinary satellite and if we're not for a scavitational field it would be going on in uniform motion out into space to be affected by the gravitational attraction of other objects including the Sun well it is more strut so far away it's more strongly pulled by the Sun than the earth which is a paradoxical position of being for earth satellite so and that is why the mass of figuring out how it moves it's so incredibly difficult and it needs high powered computers to solve it really what they were trying to do in the 17th century was it was a beginning but uh you they couldn't get very far with it you know they got as far as they could yeah um okay well I've been a school math teacher so that's partly why I enjoy uh enjoy the problem for example um the biggest mistake you make since principia is that the moon it thinks in calculated how how heavy the moon is dense the moon is which you can't do at all it hasn't got any data for that at all but the things in calculated and it calculates it uh two or three times heavier than actually is enormously too heavy the moon right uh actually the moon is strangely light it's very low density 0.6 that of earth um but he reckons is very very heavy and that means the Barry center comes under gravity is outside the earth that's what he reckons so uh he's he's he's got he's massively wrong enormously wrong in what he reckons density the earth is compared with uh denser the moon compared with the earth and and that's and is it is it is it hailey who suggested that the earth was hollow yeah yeah hailey looks at this massive error that Newton made that the that the earth was much less dense than the moon right and he then deduced from it that the earth must be hollow so you get a lot of science fiction theories developing sort of stories about the hollow life and they'll they'll they derive from hailey who uh who brood up this idea of the earth being hollow with inhabitants you know and some special lighting under the some out under the surface of the inhabitants um he brood up all that story which isn't his his bowed for his tends to miss out because they don't think it sounds a bit silly but um hailey certainly believed it you know Nick you're not inclined to go along with theories of there being uh space stations on the far side of the moon are you well it might be i mean i don't know Jim um are the tests through variation simply astronomical from like 350 and the sun part of the moon and 350 below on the dark side there would be a very big temperature difference yeah but it would be a huge temperature difference yeah um um yeah yeah uh but uh yeah but i would not say about the uh some rumor about whether there's any embouches on the passage him um uh yeah um but hey Nick i'm sure there are going to be those who want to call in about subject we haven't discussed is yet i want to turn to some of the other controversial issues you've addressed during the second hour meanwhile i want to know the call in number is 540 352 4452 40352 4452 if you have questions for Nick colistrum or me and we're going to turn to some of the other issues Nick explored with such a intelligence integrity and dedication including the death and replacement of Paul McCarty I know my audience and I know that that is the subject they'd most like to learn more about that all right well you've kindly bought me over this awesome gem for november for a conference where i'll be talking about it yeah yes but we're here and now my friend so you know we're going to have a break coming up in about one minute or less you've done so much interesting stuff Nick and i want uh i want to highlight some of your most important stuff oh thanks him yeah well i just got to compensate them before the second part sure well we're about to take a break Nick and you have time for tea absolutely a hundred percent no doubt about it so yeah happen here in just a matter of seconds my friend right yeah i've been so impressed with him breath and depth of your research on such a wide diversity of subjects Nick yeah the only person i know of who comes close is me amazing yeah too right Jim yeah we'll be right we're against the colors and new things yeah okay Jim yeah we'll come see so Listen to Revolution Radio at FreedomSuits.com. 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We've been reviewing, discussing his absolutely fantastic new book, The Dark Side of Isaac Newton, which I predict will have a corrective influence on the recording of the history of science in decades to come, but it's going to be a slow gradual process. Nick, as I mentioned before the break, I have no doubt that our audience would be most fascinated by your research on the death and replacement of Paul McCartney on which you and I have in the past on several programs, video programs. But I think it would be great if you could give us an intro, what got you interested into the Paul question and how your research carried you forward once again, you're typically thorough and meticulous in your research. Paul, well Jim, I'd never been a Beatles fan particularly. I mean, at my school it was quite near the Abbey Road studio, it was to walk past Abbey Road every morning, and you know, a Beatles mainly would be going on, but it just happened, an old friend of mine suddenly started on the bed, it showed me these album covers, and then he actually gave me a copy of this book. And then he was a Billy Shears and he started talking about it. And I'd never heard it about it before. And then I somehow, yeah, we did some sort of talk show, it's partly you and I having a talk about it. What's the name of that lady? Claire, Claire, yeah, Claire, she came in to the ship. Yes, I'm very, and then I mean, I was kind of intrigued by it. And then most people start telling me that I should write about it and assumed a odd idea. And somehow, eventually I just did, you know, it's just, I don't see it being me, anyone else doing it. So I thought I'd have a guard here. And so I got pulled into it. I bought a lot of old vinyl records, you know, and just went around the old spots in London, where it all happened. And we wanted to be in the music business. And that was it really. Yeah, I just got pulled into it. Well, what surprised you the most when you were drawn in? I mean, it must have shocked you to discover that in fact, these were two different people. It was extremely weird. Yeah, I felt it was a like a show, experience mystery in the sense that it couldn't be solved. It was unfamable. The new identity of this guy, he looks at you and he's always asking the question, who do you think that I am? You sort of comes out and know where that is big green eyes. And if you look at the magical mystery tour, it's obviously a completely different person. I mean, it's like in 1967, the world was being hypnotized, maybe by John Lennon or whatever, to accept this totally new guy as being the old pool. And what once you start looking at it that way, it's extremely baffling. And the character of the old pool was kind of simple and he was totally adorable. That was the key thing about the real pool being totally adorable. And he put everything he got into the music and he was into it was into a accomplished proper excellent songs. Without any messy, it wasn't into drugs at all. Right, he always wanted the group to look smart and they always did look smart. And then this new guy came along, a completely different character. And I take your point it in some way, you've certainly more mature genius. And in a way, the old pool has done everything he could. Revolver, rubber, soul, no one ever did as much, never, never in their life in 24 years as that guy did. But in a sense, it was all done. It was some teeny buffle music was growing off a bit. But then this new guy came along with them all suddenly. They were full, lonely people. And once you start looking at it, you realize that they are full, they are very different characters. Well, the character after usually referred to as false, Paul or fall FAU, well, of course, is taught by three or four inches at least he has as the French. But usually you decide to three inches, but you think three or four maybe. Yeah, it could be that much. I mean, they went to great efforts to minimize the difference in height. The forensic scientists discovered they had different palettes and different teeth. Paul had a narrow palette and bad teeth fall as a formal palette and good teeth. All of our own face. Whereas fall had an oval face. I mean, we have photos of each of them with Jane Asher to whom Paul was engaged and they're about the same height. Yeah, photo of fall with Jane Asher. He towers over her there. I suggest three. Yeah, yeah. The subject of why the expert on the subject simply American. You've got three expert ladies. You've got the plastic macalaid. You just written a book. She's a lawyer of some sort. Right. And then our friend Anna that you interviewed a bit. Now, there's no, there's this guy at the stage of quay. I don't know if you come across him at all. Tell me about the stage of quay. Well, he's, you know, pretty clued up and he's done interviews with the English guy Mark Devlin recently. He's done one about this whole thing, the replacements. I didn't interview. I did it a chance recently with Mark Devlin that's just gone up on YouTube. He's wondering now if there's more than more than one before or after. My book took a simple view. It was one pull. He died and there was one replacement. Right. Yeah, I expect that's correct. Nick. We do have a we do have a caller from the 210 area of code. I believe his name is Bruce. Bruce. Are you there? Yes, sir. I'm here. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Fine. I know you have a questions for Nick. Please go right ahead. Yes, I do. I just want to say before begin. Mr. Collstrom and Mr. Fetzer or doctors. You people are inspiration to me in this world of corruption. If we had more people with your courage and your integrity. It would be in a lot better place. Right. Those are kind words, Bruce. Thank you for those. Yes, I realize how much y'all sacrifice through your life. And I just want to wanted to put that out there. Yes, sir. I've studied the moon. You know, I studied it, you know, in a formal setting, but it's just always been a curiosity to me as to why this is always face the earth. And over the years, I've come up with a theory and I like to read a to consider it. Yes, it's the moon. The moon is in close proximity to the earth, post-must-post-tied. Yes. So if it was the patch from the earth by an asteroid hit, it would be made up basically the same materials, these materials of the earth with the large content of iron. And so I have the crust cooled. I want you to think of glass balls for Christmas that have the little floaties and shake them and you have this material floating around there looks like snow. Just imagine for a moment that's iron ore. Now, the moon is close enough to pull the tide, to pull water towards itself. Of course, the earth will be pulling the molten materials, the heaviest materials would go towards the earth and the moon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and so you would have a heavier mass on the internal side of the internal, the moon. And so that would kind of pin that side facing the earth constantly as it cooled, that over in the linear would just get more and more concentrated. Yeah, yeah, but long as it's already, you would have to be already facing the earth. Basically the, the moon has to evolve now in space once every 27, 1, 3 days because that is how long it takes to go around the earth. So that's what we mean by saying, but it synchronizes always faces us. And most, if you've got a hypothesis, a creation image of it being somehow knocked off the earth by an impact, it will tend to be spinning wildly all over the place. And then the question is, how do you get it to slow down and how do you get the earth. And a strong and as always baffle by this, I always say, strong haven't got any, any particular credible theory about how the moon came to be where it is. I would say it's a title in Nigma, you know, but as you say, the moon might have been, if it was semi, if it was all semi molten the moon. And then the heavy metals should have gravitated in towards the center of the moon, OK, just like we've got the heavy metals on the inside of the earth. But so the moon is very low density and it seems to have is heavy metals more on the outside on these big huge mass concentrations, which is very puzzling, you know. Yes, once one of the earth gravitational pull, ten to pull the heavy, the heaviest of those elements towards towards the side facing here. Yeah, what yeah, if you got, if you got the moon already fixed into facing upwards, then that would happen. Yeah. OK, all right, that's not exactly why I called, but you got the moon and I just needed to kick that over there. All right, OK, yes, sir. What do you think about these, I know I've read up on your reports on the seven seven, climbing. That was obviously orchestrated event 9 11. I was personally impacted by 9 11. So some of the people in my and equipment in my organization were affected. And so I've come to realize that that too was an orchestrated event. Right. And we keep having them over and over. And I think they're playing out of game theory here. You know, we can discern that these things actually orchestrated as long as they get eight tens of the population to believe it. Then there, then their plan goes forward, you know, and we've had price church. This ridiculous shooting there. Quote. Yes. And in California, this rabbi's was having his fingers got off and he's waving his arms around his hands and he's in no shock and no distress or anything like that. Very very very. Very. And in the end with each event, they clamp down more social media banning hate. Yeah, we're shaking towards the total global tyranny here. Well, yeah, it does look like that. The terrific emphasis now on banning anti-Semitism. And Mike, it might, well, it might react back on them, you know, trying to ban people disliking you. It seems a very high risk strategy to me. But I don't agree with you that these events like price church and then the, then the signal shooting, they look, they look suspiciously staged. They look set up. I don't know what I don't think they're what they're up to be. And we do need to wake up more people to what's going on. And there's a massive clamp down on sender media now. Again, that could react against it is, but more and more obvious that they're trying to control what you think. And that is a high risk strategy that people won't believe anything. And that's what mainstream media tell them. I mean, in this country, more and more people are listening to RT Russia today. And our, our, our taking out this of them because you've got honest people on those programs, honestly trying to make sense of the world. And I think that is, that is a kind of new culture now, in which you kind of expect the present as to be honest. I wouldn't want to watch these meetings because I'm, I'm fairly a big manipulative, I think, by the news that's the mainstream media out. Thank you for calling in those who are both excellent questions. We have two other colors standing by the first is 719. Erie, please give us your name and state seven one nine. Captain Kerrick in Colorado. Welcome aboard. My question for Nick was about the moon and what they call phase lock. Five of the moon. It's supposed to be rotating at the exact speed that counter counters with the speed of the earth so that it all lines are. It is. Yeah. That's what it's doing. Yeah. I find that to me to indicate that it's under intelligent. Design and control. I think that it's the grades. I don't know if it's a stick or an automatic. I think it's probably it looks old. So I think it's probably a thick shift. Right. It's definitely under intelligent control. And in my opinion, the what's really going on is the moon is the base for the grades or ISIS. Right. And they're Hagellian dialectic with the greens who are in the hollow earth. And they take orders and it's script written by the turnians. So you're coming. Bloody hell. This also sounds like a David Ikeish, isn't it? Okay. Well, there's the aristocracy, a huge aristocracy, which does have mysterious purple glow in the middle of it. And people wonder is that some sort of strange energy source that we're looking at as if something's going on there? You know, and there have been mysterious glow as seen on the moon for centuries. And so a lot of people do some eyes that there is some sort of activity, the government as regards what makes it face the earth. Well, what are you sure that gravity won't do it? That is that is the current theory that you have go