JIM FETZER "The Real Deal" (8-9-18) design and structure of the Twin Towers

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This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the real deal, where I'm very pleased to have made the acquaintance of Jerry from Scotland who's done a lot of research on the structure of the Twin Towers, which is an enormously important subject when it comes to sorting out exactly how they were taken down or blown apart. Frankly, it's important to understand from the beginning that this was not a collapse of any kind. In fact, it was actually physically impossible for the Twin Towers to collapse. What we're going to find here through this discussion with Jerry or some of the details of the structure, the engineering, the design, the building that made it so robust, has been described in some contexts as a tube within a tube, as Jerry is going to explain. Actually, it's a triangle within a square, but where the triangle and the square represent the more massive steel structures that support the building in its entirety. Jerry, I'm so pleased to have made your acquaintance. Yes, likewise, Jim, I've listened to your program and stuff over the years. It's good to catch up with you. Please do begin with the square and the triangle. The rectangle in the center, yes, we have a square building. I'm going to try and keep this less technical and terms and numbers and stuff. I'm not one of these guys that can rattle off the coefficient of thermal expansion of steel and stuff. I'm going to try and keep it fairly basic. What we have here is we have this square building, a square perimeter. Inside that square perimeter, we have a rectangular core column structure and this results in having a short span side and a long span side because of the rectangle in a square. Recently, having studied building seven with a research group, that moved on through getting access to the structural drawings, being able to ascertain whatness did done in terms of what they'd left out, what they'd kept in. So, recently obtained the structural drawing books for the Twin Towers to somewhat to my surprise. This were quite forthcoming with them. It certainly hasn't formed the debate, if you like. It certainly got to a point now where the information is such that it really requires the attention of people with that very specific knowledge. You don't just get one kind of engineer to build these kind of towers. You're not going to get one engineer just to look at these drawings and to know what happened. Very basically, this is an outline of the tower. This is a tower under construction. This is a sensational photograph. I can't tell you how important it is. You see here the south tower going up into the right. You can see what's known colloquially as the bath, the foundation where the north tower would go, where it's built. Both towers were built within a dike that was intended to keep Hudson River water out. Indeed, I am convinced, Jerry, that the reason they had to defies an ingenious mode of demolition was to ensure that no substantial part of these massive 500,000 ton buildings came down into the bathtub because they crushed or severely damaged the bathtub that Hudson River water would have flowed. An evil lower man had the most valuable real estate in the world. They were eager to avoid that outcome and spent a great deal of time and devising a very clever plan to avoid that outcome. Yes, it would have flooded it. Really, I know the names of bathtub. It's kind of a reverse bathtub because it's there to keep the water out rather than to keep the water in as a bathtub. There's a huge concern after these buildings came down as to the state that these walls were in. They used a slurry trench method around the site there as they were excavating what they would do is they would get a clam shell type digger to go down. It would make a hole, they would put some rebar in and then they would pour a can't remember. It was a heavy substance they would pour in. It would sink to the bottom. The water would come out. They would be left with a wall. In that way, they managed to secure the perimeter of the site. I believe they actually made battery park that area from the overburden that they took out to make this foundation that they actually created quite a large part of real estate in New York by doing that. I got to tell you, Jerry, this is the single most interesting photograph I'd ever seen of the wind towers. It's absolutely fascinating. Yes. I've looked at hours and hours of pictures there. There's actually a brilliant collection of anybody's interests. It's inspired to go and look at skyscraper city. There's a huge collection of these towers under construction. If I can quickly move to another. Sure. We can come back and forth. Go. Yes. Here's a picture of a typical floor in the tower, for example. This is an example of some of the photographs that are available. Just for the general information of the audience. Within that rectangle, we're 47 massive core columns that were six inches thick in the sub basement working up to about a quarter inch thick at the top, which provided the primary form of support for the buildings by surrounded by 240 external steel support columns, which were formidable in and of themselves, which were connected by steel trusses, connected one end then to the core columns at the other to the external steel support columns and filled with four to eight inches of concrete, the variance being because the trusses had four foot deep V shaped grooves. So in some areas, you'd have a depth of eight and others four, which meant since the buildings were 208 feet on a side, that each floor represented an acre of concrete on a steel truss. Yes. These things were massive and every sense of the of the world. You know, you were mentioned in the core columns, the dimension of some of the core columns and that goes quite well into, for example, here's a column 508A and just for orientation, I can show you on a diagram. If this was the north face of the building here, column 508 would be at this corner, that would be that corner column. So the kind of detail that's come out in these drawings is that if we wanted to know what that core column was at the very bottom, we can go in and we can actually see the dimensions of it and more applicable to the to the NIST analysis. If we wanted to go in and see what column 508 was at floor 96, we know that it's a column type 112. It's a 14WF426 and it has a connection type 101D at the bottom flange. So we now have access to this kind of detail. These numbers matter in terms of being able to know how good a job NIST did replicating the building, but also they matter in terms of the ability that people have to go away and say, well, let's analyze this and that's something that's interesting. Meet me a great deal. The core column just to quickly go through this picture. We have the square perimeter, we have a rectangle in which the 47 core columns would be housed and on these long faces here, we have long span trusses spanning from the perimeter into the core and we have short span ones along the other side of that rectangle. So that very basically there comes an area outside of the core where these long span trusses obviously cannot they cannot sit on the core. They have to sit on a transfer truss. So that's there in blue and this is the kind of area of the building that I'm looking at and just to give us some orientation around the building. If we were standing up at the, what would be the north, the not west corner sorry of the building up where my mouse is there and we were looking, we were looking south towards this end. Here's a picture of what we would see and you can see that that's color coded there to show these long spans and they would feed into the blue transfer truss and then we would have short span ones running in the opposite direction and then long spans here. So the building isn't the same floor to floor but it's it's very, it has similarities but it's not identical at floor to floor and this made a few very questionable compromises and they're. With these trusses actually painted rather yellow is shown here or was that added? I added that so so that this animation here basically lines up and you're saying they took some shortcuts in the construction of the building? They certainly did. Well, NIST took some shortcuts in their analysis of the building. In other words, the way NEST modeled the building was not comparable to the reality of the building with a more complex and no more robust structure. Yes, some of the compromises that they made for example were to say that all of these all of these columns and the core they are connected in the same way and all of these ones connected in the same way when they didn't they made some more serious in my opinion more serious compromises I think is a quite word for it. Yeah, very, I mean they were cheating. There's no doubt about it because they couldn't demonstrate the collapse of a hundred story building when it was designed in such a way that it could not physically collapse. So obviously they had the short change features of the building to make it appear appear because anyone with a serious understanding of the building would realize it was a falsification to have been capable of undergoing a collapse which in fact did not occur. Well, one of the in my mind the most the most serious aspect of an all column compromises it's a very plight word. Let's say let's say the omissions that were made. If we have a look at these yellow trussies here which represent double double trussies going down if you look running at 90 degrees to them we have these in white we have these trussies here that are running at 90 degrees and they would be called bridging trussies by this. You can see them here in gray on that side and you can see two of them here in red now one of the things that the most serious thing that I believe this have done in their analysis is to remove these these were anywhere where there would be opposite accord so between these two blue lines for example these two red trussies that are running in this direction were removed. They were just left out of the analysis they they done two answers models and answers is a an analysis program that you can put a model of a building and then subject that building to a series of forces in terms of temperature and lateral force and all kinds of all you can do all manner of things to you know. You're already exposing why they wouldn't release the data they had used for their simulation of how it had happened which of course only went to the point of collapse initiation they never released any report about the actual sequence of the alleged collapse they simply asserted it had taken place without illustrating or demonstrating how it was even possible. Yeah got global collapse ensued I think was the is the phrase that they used and and what I didn't realize is at the time of the nist report coming out was that nested actually we got a third party company to do the the the modeling for them not maybe not the input but the the model was produced by a company Simpson Gompers and Hegel I believe SGH were the company who did the modeling for and I'm going to make a wild conjecture Jerry that sbh actually works for C I A that that that could that could well be the case I couldn't possibly couldn't possibly say but certainly certainly the model that they produced and sometimes was accurate but because nest released an ancest model which was only a few stories of the building and it contained these bridging trusses in the in the one way zones the one way zones would be anywhere that has got a opposite the the core column structure so not the corners the corners would be two ways zones and the the other bit like where these between these blue lines for example would be a one way zone so if you look at their model they include things like if we go back to to this you can see they removed deck support angles which were three inch by two inch quarter inch steel plates that supported the help to support the deck the spandial studs which would be horizontal shear studs on the outside put it on the on the on the perimeter around the perimeter so they were removed the bridging trusses outside of the two way zones were removed and the strap anchors were removed I've got a picture of a strap anchor that's not one somewhere I can't seem to to find that but basically if you look at the here down here you'll see a little triangle there and these are strap anchors and what they do is they stiffen the whole the whole floor system on the outside so these were removed in the model as well and what they did was they run at they ran a simulation with all of these things included bridging trusses strap anchors, shear studs all of those included they ran a small scale model and what they said was that these elements of the building failed early therefore we will remove those from our full model now on the face of it that may sound reasonable but the whole building wasn't subjected to the conditions that they subjected their small scale model from but for example at floor 32 why would you remove the strap anchors because they failed in an analysis away up at floor 96 that you subjected to a whole lot of heat how can you know how can that be justifiable and they kind of hedged the bets by saying okay we need to increase computational efficiency here in other words it would take them eight weeks to do a simulation instead of eight months and I think that's a cup out I really do well sure it's an excuse for simplifying the design creating it making it far more flimsy and amenable to the theory created term and that they have to demonstrate a collapse when the collapse couldn't possibly have taken place yes it's when you look at the for example this this is part of the of of an illustration this is what we were told happened that these these this is the outside of the building here and these are floor trustees that are failing now that's a very very the land they own even in construction the building never looked like this ever that there would be bridging trustees going along here there would be strap anchors there there would be four four or so inches of concrete with shear studs above it you can you can hear the Les Robertson for example in April 2002 before it was clear what direction this we're going to go in what they were going to blame for this you can hear him espousing just how how how much of a a grid of steel these floor trustees actually represented he actually states and I can't remember what university that he was talking in but he actually states he says you can remove six seven or eight of these trustees in any one place depending on where it is and it will still be fine you know to I think they were stuck with the trust sagging theory yes they were stuck with that because it was observable you can see the building being pulled in from the outside so they had to account for that in their explanation because people you know you you can look at the videos of this building coming down and you can see trust you can see that the perimeter columns being pulled in so they had to justify that somehow and I would I would submit that this pulling in of the exterior was achieved by the core column failure in other words these core columns are falling and they're pulling on the floor trustees as they're as they're falling and this is what's pulling the perimeter columns in the way my cat has joined us Jerry I hear that yes yes very well welcome to the cat yeah he's he's going to get on the air here broan I'm sure he could produce a a model of similar accuracy to to nest he's about 18 years old we don't expect to enjoy his company for a great deal longer as we're lucky to have animals for as long as we do indeed so getting back to to to nest model when you when you begin to look and I'm coming from from an area where we looked at building seven and we we had to look at the drawings and and what David wanted the researchers that we were researching with at the time he he saw these stiffness plates that should have been which which turned out to be quite crucial on on a garden it's like well wait a minute they've omitted these they've left them out there were sheath studs on the garden they've omitted those they've left them out and I'm now looking at the at the towers I've managed to and I don't know how and I don't know why NIST have chosen now to to put them out but I've got these structural drawing books and I'm looking at it and I'm seeing exactly the same MO in NIST their their omitting crucial elements they are getting they're getting very basic stuff wrong if you can't if you can't model this building properly don't model it you know the the surely can if I'm building your house and I say okay there should really be there should really be ties between the the double skin walls here so that the the wind doesn't take your house and blow away but I'm going to leave them out then you're not going to be very happy you're not going to want to stay in that house because it's not safe but mind you Jerry if you're trying to pull a deception a deliberate deception you know you're trying to prove something that if you modeled it accurately would be impossible you're going to have to take measures to create a simulation that does not correspond to the object being modeled for all the reasons Adam braided above I mean they had to fake it so what you're really getting at is the ways in which they flush the data from the beginning with regard to the structure of the mill yes I mean that these things are incredibly robust I would also like to make the point that the concrete with the there's a lot of rebar there's a rebar is like reinforcement and for example this is the the floor area right here the concrete hasn't been poured here I can see the huge amounts of reinforcement that exist right and in this building and importantly the if we go back to this if if you look at this these four corners of the core if you have a close look there there isn't at that at that height the higher you go up and in these towers the less elevators there are you know it's like there's three sort of sections of the building so the higher you go up there's less stairwells and there's less elevators because there's less floors above you to go to yes with the result that there's more concrete in the core so when you look at this this whole side here is continuous concrete there's nothing there's nothing there to stop that being one whole big composite mass so if you begin to look at the building not just as we're presented it from the you know these you've got these floor trustees spanning from the core to to the perimeter you begin to look at it as in we've got this concrete mass here that is going straight from face to face through the core area what you've got when you look at the impacted building you know it's impacted in the north face when you look at that the corners are still fine well you know what why would the why would the building not be able to redistribute the overstressed of that impact and that's the question that I've been asking myself is what's going to happen how is it how is this building going to redistribute itself and when you examine footage of the impact the building behaved exactly as it was designed to do John's skilling was the man who designed these buildings yes and he was an absolute genius yes when they designed them they they designed they designed them on paper so that okay what do we need to do to get this building to stand up how does it stand up and how does it what does the wind do to it and this was the big question because if you made this building strong enough just to stand up and take the load nobody would want to be on floor 100 because it would be swinging seven feet off center so you you have to reinforce it you have to stiffen the building so that it doesn't overly sway to the point where people will say I'm not working there I'm seasick you know so they had to really stiffen these buildings up and the result was our redundancy in the building that is just incredible I don't think anybody really has seen anything like that it's reasonably outweath of a very so like a few people who design and build these kind of structures what you're saying is skillings and genius design made the buildings incredibly robust especially for two of the tallest buildings in the world yes and especially at the toward the top of the building where you would you would get more more sway that than you were at the bottom and this is the enemy of high-rise steel frame buildings is the the amount of center that it's going to sway for example if the building went if the building went over two foot off center in this way the elevators would be affected so the elevators would automatically slow down they wouldn't move as quickly in the building there was all kinds of these guys knew what they were doing they knew about thermal expansion and stuff you know that they knew about what could go wrong and skillings stated in the Seattle times he was asked what would happen and I think it was after the 93 attack what would happen if a plane hit the building and he'd done an analysis in the 60s and and he was quite quite blunt in the way that in the way that he just said look if a plane hits the building yes it'll impact it it'll penetrate the building there will be a huge fire and lots of people will die particularly above that that fire but the building will stand the structure will be fine you can you can you can you can you carry the very idea the plane would penetrate the building was on the assumption it was hitting vertically between floors the fact is that flight 175 for example is intersecting with eight different floors each of which consisted of those those acres that concrete on steel trusses it would have actually crumbled the external to the building not made it inside and you would have had body seats luggage fall to the ground the engines may have penetrated but most of the plane knocked which is why it would turn out they had to fake it well it's a it's a difficult area for me because when I'm listening to skilling or reading skillings saying that I'm ass obtaining how strong he's imagining the building to be rather than the unactual impact or of a jet and we we may well differ in terms of what we what we believe in in in in those terms which is fine the the stage I'm interested in getting to here is to say well what did we actually have in terms of the building what what was actually there because no matter what you think was the cause of the demise of the building the reality of the building matters we need to get some kind of datum point here to be able to say that's what existed that's what was there as far as planes hitting it not hitting it I would imagine just off the top of my head that the planes hitting a fair bit of glass you know it's penetrating remember remember Jerry the windows were very narrow because they wanted to make sure that the building didn't heat up to overstring the air conditioning system so they actually built a windows very narrow the vast majority of the surface the facades of the building was other than glass it was steel and concrete yeah exactly I mean I think they were put three foot three on center the are somewhere maybe slightly more on center the perimeter columns and I can accept that there's a you know there's a bit controversy about about what did and didn't happen on on the day of 9 11 and looking at it at the damage that was clearly sustained by the building and looking at the the hole in the building and the alleged damage to the core columns for for example regardless how that did or didn't happen there's no way that this building should have should have fallen I could see you it you it surely agreed that if real planes had hit the building there would have been message collision effects in accordance with Newton's law body seats luggage tail wings will fall into the ground as I was suggesting before which did not happen we have photographs of the ground beneath the facades on both buildings and we do not find their plane debris the final passport to be fair so and you would say yes but they did they planted a passport I mean it's also insulting you know when you see the the amount of paper and stuff that is coming down from from the building and all of these documents and stuff that are flying about in the air that somebody picked up this passport you know and say you know what's this I'll take this to the to my local CIA guy despite the fact just a local guy just some random guy who found it they also planted a fake engine you know a church in Murray that was alleged to have come from flight 175 but wasn't currently in use by Boeing at the time so I mean we even have a white van where Jack White who was a legendary student of JFK who became interested in 9-11 discovered Fox News footage where you see four or five guys in FBIVS unloading something heavy making the delivery underneath a steel scaffolding onto the top of a sidewalk which isn't even damaged Jerry and you know that if something that massive had hit at high velocity it would have done great damage to the sidewalk but it's just sitting pressed evenly on top of it yeah there's some interesting pictures I don't have them to hand I don't know if you remember the locker bay that similarly similarly controversial event where where a pan amplain I can't remember the flight a pan am flight came down in locker bay in Scotland which is quite near our border with England and this was a Almagraki case that came down there some interesting pictures there appears to have been a CIA effort to implicate Gandalfi and Obama that he for which he had no responsibility at all yeah our government over here released Almagraki on compassionate grounds and I think that there was particularly I can't remember his name there's a doctor whose daughter was on that on that flight from Scotland and he's the guy who's been standing up ever since and saying we're not being told the truth about what happened my point is that there's a picture of the somewhere of the engine one of the engines and it's impacted the the ground and the same way that you're talking there's huge damage to the road and to the pavement where this where this engine's impacted it yeah yeah yeah which is a contrast case because that was a legit crash of an engine and what we had in New York at church in Murray was not I mean I don't know what I don't know if it was a it was a Pratt and Whitney or a Rolls Royce engine but they're they're compatible I mean what we're talking seven or eight tons of steel to tenium alloy you know these things are they're not just going to bounce down the down the street and come to rest without doing some kind of some kind of damage you would you talked about some other white vans and stuff oh yeah yeah you mean that we're involved in 9-11 yes it's really new and explosive they're going to blow up the Lincoln tunnel the Holland tunnel the Brooklyn bridge they're going to isolate Manhattan Jerry had it been pulled off his plan yeah are are been moving systems and are been moving systems right you know and that that sort of territory you can see that there are certainly anomalies around around about and you have to ask yourself why would your administration not want to look into that but why would they not want to look into the fact that this company's behaving in a suspicious way that these people are all going here there and everywhere and when you when you look at the for example the tunnel vector analysis that of one of the jets when it comes and impacts the tower this jet hits exactly the right the right data that it's rudders right it's it's access is right everything's right from way over a mile out to from the tower to compensate for the wind speed to compensate for everything and it hits this tower and a pure it's it's hitting a pure arc but hadn't hit the tower and you continued its trajectory it would make a perfect circle that doesn't suggest that if that's if that's a jet that there's a human being in control of it I don't know if you you've looked right I agree yeah yeah you mean the actual flight trajectory appears to have been an artifact or a construct or artificially controlled or what have you yes one one we are there there's something not official there the isn't wrong yeah I don't mean if you look and well the plane of videos Jerry's actually traveling faster than would be possible from Boeing 767 pilots for 9-11 truth constructed a a documentary entitled 9-11 intercepted where they explained that that plane at that speed at that altitude would have physically come a part of the air it could not have actually get the tower yeah they certainly look there's an interesting I think I looked into some interest in electronics I think or a QSR-11 which is a triaxial flight control module basically you know like the the bubble and that tells you whether you're level or not it's an electronic version of that and in Boeing we're actually finding the 90s for they will find 16 million dollars or something for being deceptive and adding a QSR-11 into the jets so if you put this into the into the wiring harness then then you can begin to remotely control the servo motors which should control everything on the plane you know the the rudder the flaps the throttle basically everything to do with this plane and and what Boeing got and I hope it is Boeing it was it was a large let's just say it was a large aircraft company that that were find for it what they were they were actually find because this was a technology that they shouldn't have been giving potentially to the enemy so they were putting these in and jets that went to germinate it went to all over that they were selling to people the QSR-11 triaxial flight control module you could fit these things in the palm of your hand and you open the hatch and a Boeing and you plug it in there you know so if you if you look at that you can hide jack up point j-pals that that kind of technology Boeing sound like I'm being very anti-boing here now I'm not Boeing boasted in the in the early 90s that they couldn't just fly a plane remotely they could land it taxi it go to it into the hangar remotely without anybody touching it you know this this is not a new technology or something right that's right it just it requires sensors computer is a lot sophisticated calculations at which computers are extremely good I agree I understand your order percent on it yeah so some in we have on one level we have this huge technological capability we can fly planes remotely we can we can do we can have them do and look the loops if we want to we can taxi them in the hangars but we don't have apparently the technology to accurately model a steel frame building there's a disconnect here you know somewhere where we're on one hand we can we can put people on the moon we can you know we can we can fly remotely fly a rover on land on Mars and I'm moving around but what we can't accurately model a couple of bits of steel okay that's a mass a huge oversimplification but I can't accurately model 110 stars of a question whether we can the point is they weren't it was all deliberate and intentional which of course shed light on why there were these effective scrapensies they were by intent by design not accidental or incompetence yeah so so it becomes very apparent that there's an unwillingness at some kind of level there's an unwillingness in this case within the US government and administration there's an unwillingness to have a look at the reality of this building I mean if we did Jerry the fact of the matter is the government was complicit this was a an operation it involved collaboration between the CIA the Neal cons and the department of defense and the most saw it was a deliberately orchestrated event that was intended to be blamed on Arabs on Islamic terrorists to draw the United States into wars in the Middle East to take out the modern era of states that served as a counterbalanced Israel's domination of the entire region in other words Israel used 9-11 as a recruitment device to draw the United States its military and its treasury into endless wars military ventures to benefit Israel not the United States which was very costly spent a lot of its treasury and young men and women to benefit Israel so you know the government Dick Cheney Donald Romsfeld key players Richard Pearl Hall Wilphal Witts General Richard Myers a host of others it's all of really disgusting story but the fact is once you understand the big picture you realize why NIST is somehow provided an inadequate model that was the whole point to show something could happen which had they modeled it accurately could not happen yeah there's a need there's a need for justification and when you're looking at a building that's like that you've got this huge grid of trusses and then you're looking at something like that that you have to ask yourself where that comes from and that unwillingness to look at the reality of the building with NIST in the past has been coupled with an unwillingness to be open with data in other words they've said look we've got the we've got these structural drawing books we know how these buildings were put together and you don't so we know what we're talking about and you don't because we've got these for some reason for for some reason and I never did anything too special apart from ask for them for some reason they've begun to be open or not open than they were about these buildings and you've had a change of administration we're getting further away from 9-11 you know temporarily historically politically and there's the less sense of allegiance and loyalty and less of an enforcement mechanism people were taken out Jerry for wanting to tell the truth of that 9-11 I mean you know there was a real atmosphere of fear within the administration that you better not talk or you might have a tremendously abbreviated lifespan are you yeah you make it some anthrax in the poster or something for example on there I mean I don't know if you remember the anthrax sure you know that that was certainly when you when you look at the people who who were targeted by by the anthrax it's it's also interesting to look at who who had access to the anti-pompe desho and uh who was a majority leader in the head of the uh senate judiciary Patrick Leihy were targets of anthrax when they wanted to hold hearings in relation to the patriot act which was being rushed through congress without anyone having actually even read it yeah so I mean these were surely the darkest of times uh for for America and and don't get me wrong I don't want to sound un-un-un-un-American because I'm certainly not but I think that Jerry truth truth is not an American yeah I endorse a truth and much of it unfortunately reflects very badly on past administrations of the United States yeah I mean for example over here in Great Britain I think we invented we probably invented most types of corruption politically you know we've been to our years few more years under your belt to do it I mean look there's an attack in the United States on conspiracy theories which are supposed to be forbidden but what would Shakespeare have had to write about but for plots against the kings and queens of England I mean for crying out loud if you don't understand conspiracies you don't understand most of political life yeah yeah but there I think it's uh we've moved to a point now from the outside looking into America we've certainly moved to a point where it has become the most unpatriotic of ads to question your government this is what you're told you know that this is this juxtaposition actually Jerry I'll tell you there's a mass media crackdown uh because uh too many are questioning the government the the development of the alternative media through the internet has made such a difference they're now trying to stifle it and they're taking all kinds of measures they're going to eventually be rained in uh it's fascinating they had a tremendous backfire here when uh google and youtube and facebook and twitter all crashed uh Alex Jones they were taking him out pretty much all together but he had a new newsletter with an info wars app which has taken control of the country he got six million subscribers in 48 hours Jerry this has just happened this week yes uh I mean I've actually a male Alex Jones and and walked for them and and London and uh we were uh you know the Beldeberg I think it was 2015 Beldeberg we're meeting there we were time there and we uh had the pleasure of Alex Jones company for for but Jerry it's backfire their effort to suppress Alex Jones has turned him into what one expert commentator for the New York Times said he's gone from a niche operation to mainstream yes and and they've shot themselves in the foot because yeah nobody in the mainstream reasonably but what their way of dealing with these things is to say la la la that's not happening and I'm not listening and he never reaches the mainstream all of a sudden the top thing that's trending on twitter worldwide is Alex Jones the person who's the person who's the person who's that I love it I love it Jerry this has been completely brilliant is there anything you'd like to add at this point I would just like to add the in the past I have been um I've been involved in research where people have become part of to information which has been sought after for example structural drawings of buildings I'm going to do everything within my within my power to make sure that this release of these drawings is available to anybody who who wants to go and look at it there um there's a there's a few organizations certainly that that are going to host them I've got them on my one drive just now but certainly in the past there has been a tendency even within the research community to say wait a minute this is research gold does let's keep a hold of that and I find that upon and I would implore anybody with the the relevant skill set to be able to look at these drawings and to be able to perhaps recreate this building in a model to seriously consider it yes Jerry before we part that Robert David Stale who is not only a former Marine Corps Intel officer but also a former CIA operative who actually himself had conducted some false flag operations has become a whistleblower and a stand up guy and edited a series of studies about 9-11 in Memoranda for the president of the United States with contributions from 27 experts it's now available on his website if you go to Robert David Stale go to the websites within his websites if I made a Iota and you can download for yourself his 9-11 poda studies absolutely stunning stuff I believe everything you're doing here is highly complimentary with his efforts there Jerry I would hope that I would hope that the analogy that I'll use here is next of handed me the ball and giving me these drawing books for some reason and I'm putting that ball out there because because you need a whole variety of skill sets and you need to have a super computer basically to run this analysis yes there's there's the ball there it's out there if somebody wants to do the right thing the patriotic thing in America and kick that ball then the my understanding is given the diagrams and so forth that are in your possession you could actually run a legitimate simulation and discover that in fact what NIST told us isn't even physically possible that the buildings could not have collapsed and the whole story coming from the government is nothing but an elaborate scale yes that this is the part of the story that you can't attack because you can recreate it and you can say here's what you presented here's what reality is and here's what would have happened in that analysis had it been done in an honest way yeah Jerry I think that's absolutely sensational I can't tell you how glad I am that we have linked up I'm so pleased you could have the time available to review this today and I'm just very very favorably impressed with all of this what you've been doing my friend you are a hero of the 9-11 movement by gaining access to this information which you are now going to share with a public sensational Jerry sensational yes and what I'll do is I'll leave a link with you to the to the one drive fails that that have these these drawings on them and and if you if you want to pass that onto anybody who who wants those excellent Jerry excellent okay well I can't thank you enough this is Jim Fetzel your host on the real deal with my very special guest Jerry from Scotland discussing the structure and design of the Twin Towers in New York City which has been an object of endless fascination and controversy within the 9-11 truth movement I believe with Jerry's aid we're making major steps forward in analyzing what happened and disentangling how the government used its own resources especially the national institute of standards and technology to deceive and mislead the American people about the offensive 9-11 Jim Fetzel thanking my special guest Jerry for being here and all of you for watching thank you