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JIM FETZER "The Raw Deal" (4-10-20) Dan Towery, exposing fake stats and payoffs
The Raw Deal (10 April 2020) with Dan Towery. Nurses, doctors and state senators with MDs expose the fake statistics and payoffs to hospitals of $13,000 for each CV-identified patient and $39,000 for each ventilator case. It’s all complete BS. Dan offers thoughtful reflections on living in a digital society and quite a few practical ideas for managing life in threatening environments. It was a highly enjoyable conversation.
- Category: Uncategorized,The Raw Deal
- Duration: 01:55:01
- Date: 2020-04-11 13:38:31
- Tags: fetzer, raw, deal, covid-19, coronavirus, hoax, 5g technology, whistle blower, economy, nwo, vaccine
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Now we have nurses, we have doctors, we have state senators, we also have these blowing the cover of the whole coronavirus fake event. I'm going to begin with a part of an interview with an ICU nurse out of Idaho that the whistle that the COVID-19 event is a manufactured crisis. I won't play at all, it runs around 30 minutes, but I'll play a good chock and then I'll go to a doctor in Utah and then I'll go to a state senator and MD in Minnesota. This has been the Quintak from defending at Utah dot org and you're about to hear the first real inside story on what is really going on with COVID. Brave medical whistleblowers have decided to come forward so that the public can know the truth. You will not hear this first inhabitants anywhere else and the most shocking thing is that this is just the first report. All of us to get the rest of these bombshell reports the moment they're released. Yeah, I have worked in the medical field for so over 30 years all in Utah, mostly in terms of care, but in all areas that in terms of care. Every time I'm there, well, basically every day something is changing, some new policy, some new, the mandators that come in from. The mandators from the company that we as nurses made to follow if and many of them don't make any medical sense and they don't have sound. There's no they're not using evidence. They're not even using. They're not using any every time I'm there. Something I find out something new and I just it just blows my mind about it but that's rational educated people are acting in such an irrational way. And hardness being done. Care of patients, real quality care, nursing care and medical care of help the patients who have nothing to do with this COVID who are there for is being compromised. 100%. We all know it all the nurses all the doctors know it but our hands are tied. You speak reason and you try and reason and basically what it is do you're told act react. Don't stop and think about this logically just do and that's basically what is happening. It is not based on sound medical logic. It's not there's nothing it's all what is this is people you know what I'm 100. If this is worse than any and it's not the honesty not and the epidemiologist and the experience medical people medical people have medical background know this. And but they are being silenced. So you're saying that there's an environment in the hospital where everybody knows something's not right is I'm trying to summarize and you tell me if this is accurate okay repeating it back everybody knows something's not right. And the pressure coming from the top don't think just react don't think don't question too hard because this is important. This is an emergency what if what if and so there's a sense of panic and urgency that is making otherwise professionals just throw logic out the window and follow orders is that right. Absolutely I think that's a great summary of what is happening. I think that you need to understand about about patients who expire in the hospital is that usually the doctor there are many many reasons why patients contributes to their death usually most cases the doctors on the desk to get only quit the main contributing factor. So I'm thinking in with brain cancer or a leader some kind of terminal thing and then that led eventually to respiratory failure and that's how they passed away what gets put on the medical record is totally up to the doctor's discretion. And a lot of times they don't think about it until they're just filling out the certificate and what is what people are not getting the information which I know from from this experience of having patients expire in the hospital online is there is question right now medical community to even if the COVID even if that patient has a positive or they don't there are people who are real out COVID. Right now which is what the majority of the patients in Utah hospitals are right now and I haven't followed around the country as much but roll out COVID you basically treat the patient as if they have it until you find out that they don't. And and that is where the insanity is taking place where a doctor who is overworked and trying to do much of the things at the time you're going to the desk to figure out a person and say, who what do you want to put down this cause of death. Usually that's just you know and they have guidelines that we need to follow and that is well but sometimes I don't think they're doing anything you know sinister with with it but I do know that it is a push and I don't know if it's coming from administration or where it's coming from from. I don't know that if they are COVID positive you could call it as a public that facts and full disclosure data as you can manipulate or ignored and then you said that the majority of people dying from COVID have code morbidities terminal and one patient that died of COVID was reported by the media to be over 60 but the person is 98 so like 40 years older than what they said based on. I think that the hit the rules are being manipulated are being used to be a banage of those who want to not disclose information would actually make people more at ease and go, oh this person was a brutal diabetic, oh they you know they had the obvious you know all these other things they there was a patient who passed away in a nursing home under hospital care. Which means you're basically you're dying because they had a. I don't know how you ended up getting a COVID test that's bizarre that you would do that on a hospital's patient but that they would get a COVID test positive that person didn't die of their terminal disease they died of COVID this is what is happening this is what is happening. I think that's the issue with our hands. It's not just happening it's happening all over the country now here's a Montana physician a woman doctor discussing how the COVID 19 death certificates are being manipulated really manufactured as a fairly long intro so I'm going to cut it to get to her team the automatically over it so over 30 years more offices in our lifetimes still we need to talk about it because they are the basis of the so called death rate of COVID 19 history changing decisions are being made due to these figures despite the fact that they are flat out wrong based on data that is insufficient and often inaccurate. Few people know how much individual power and leeway is given to the physician coroner or medical examiner signing the death certificate. How do I know this I've been filling out death certificates for over 30 years more often than we want to admit we don't know with certainty the cause of death when we fill out death certificates. That is just life we are doctors not God autopsy's are rarely performed and even when an autopsy is done the actual cause of death is not always clear. Physicians make their best guestiment and fill out the form then that listed cause of death whatever we list is entered into a vital records database to use for statistical analysis which then gives out inaccurate numbers as you can see. Those inaccurate numbers then become accepted as factual information even though much of it is false. So even before we heard of COVID 19 death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go on question. When it comes to COVID 19 there is the additional data sewers that is get this there is no universal definition of COVID 19 death. Who is this the center for disease control updated from yesterday April 4th still states that mortality. The data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID 19 that's from their website translation the CDC counts both true COVID 19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID 19 the same they call it death by COVID 19. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers by their own admission. Prior to COVID 19 people were more likely to get an accurate cause of death written on their death certificate if they died in the hospital. Why more accurate when a patient dies in the hospital because hospital staff has physical exam findings labs radiologic studies etc to make a good educated guess. It is estimated that 60% of people die in the hospital. But even those in hospital deaths the cause of death is not always clear especially in someone with multiple health conditions. Each of which could cause the death. Clear cut causes of death might include traumatic brain injury say from a car accident, intractable seizures or asthma, sepsis from overwhelming infection, respiratory arrest from a COPD exacerbation, ruptured aneurysm, metastatic cancer, massive acute heart attack stroke or pulmonary embolism. I will talk more in a little bit in a little bit about why inaccuracy in the cause of death is declined for hospital death with the introduction of COVID 19 testing. There are also unfair causes of death in ambulances. That's a reality. An example would be someone with multiple deadly conditions who gets short and breath and dies before evaluation can be done. Was it the patients who underlying lung disease or heart disease that caused the shortness of breath that caused them to call the ambulance? Or was there a concomitant pneumonia or other problem? We don't know because the patient died before the incident could be evaluated. So an estimated 60% of people die in the hospital. As to the other 40%, it is estimated about 20% of people die at home and 20% in nursing homes in this country. The true cause of death in these situations usually remains unknown. The death certificate is filled out with the best educated guests. Unknown causes of death include elderly people or younger people with known heart disease who guide peacefully in their sleep. It is not acceptable to listen old age as a cause of death even though that may be more accurate than the death cause of death we often list on the death certificate. We are allowed to stay as a cause of death after a scaradocardiobaster disease and that may be our best guest in a lot of these cases. But is it truly the cause? Who knows? Only God in heaven knows. Amen. So allow me to give a real world example. One of my patients' fathers died about 17 years ago. He was old and in the final days of terminal cancer. He also had heart disease but was too old and too sick to get heart bypass surgery. As he got near the end of his life, he came down with what appeared to be pneumonia. As my patient, this man's son stood by his father's sick bed at home. The man died. No one else was there. The mortician was called and removed the body at about 2 in the morning. The next day the funeral home called and asked my patient the son of this man, what time did he die and what was the cause? The death certificate listed the man's son's best guest. The cause of death made by the deceased man's son was made official. It was made official and now it turns out the guest I'd hoped to have on may be able to join me. So I'm sending him the invite to get on. In the meanwhile, I'll continue but there's going to be a massive outbreak of stories revealing that this whole thing is enormous hoax, a complete scam. The numbers are all totally phony, fake and fraudulent. Wait till you hear the next story I'm about to tell you. It's a stunner all by itself. So one second here and I shall continue that doctor was not under full. But here we have this is from a Minnesota state senator Scott Jensen who is also an MD. Hospitals get paid 13,000 to list patients as COVID 19 and 39,000 and put them on a ventilator. Yeah, hospitals are being paid to hype their statistics. Minnesota Republican state senator Scott Jensen who is also a medical doctor says the AMA is encouraging doctors over account coronavirus deaths. You revealed that Medicare is determining that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital, you get 13,000. If that COVID-19 goes on a ventilator, you get 39,000 three times as much. Several days ago, we called local media. He received a directly from the Minnesota Department of Health to list COVID-19 as a cause of death on death certificate. Even if patients were never tested. When asked why officials would want to inflate the death certificate, he said fear is a great way to control people and I worry about that. So we know it's a monster fraud lies the numbers are phony I've reported on citizen journalists going to hospitals where they're supposed to be overwhelmed with COVID patients and finding the mandatory empty. It's true all over the country because they have basically cleared their decks for COVID patients in their yard had it. Meanwhile, in LA physician states every COVID-19 patient is treated with a trump pills is symptom free and eight to 12 hours. Of course, it's hydrochloroquine which works fantastic. The medical evidence that come in is overwhelming that hydrochloroquine in combination with zinc in almost all cases renders the virus to insignificant levels and short the patient recovers remarkably fast. The scandal is now bringing one that involves media figures and politicians all across America who fought so hard to keep this treatment option from the very people who needed it the most. How many died because of this? Americans deserve answers and until they get them let us so finally off his issue will able to fully utilize the power of the hydrochloroquine zinc combinations that more lives are saved. There are laws in other words we're being put to an enormous huge scam. It's completely outrageous. I was on the phone for an hour last night. I would have preferred to be watching Tucker for reasons I'll also explain. Oh, and by the way, academic studies here's one now it's right online evidence the COVID-19 pandemic is false by Kevin McGurr Galilee. It's at 45,428 views already. You can download the PDF just just do a search using your browser evidence the COVID-19 pandemic is false. Here's the abstract the COVID-19 pandemic is a manufactured crisis used by various governments the EU the US and the UN do accomplish necessary demographic economic environmental objectives under the pretense of protecting public health. The pursuit of the sustainability agenda by illegal and immoral needs now get this your talker and you're going to find this rather shocking as I did. But a representative of the World Health Organization is suggesting going into people's homes and taking their children and family members to test them for a COVID-19 and isolate them get this. Last week, Dr Michael Ryan, the leader of the World Health Organization announced that in response to the spread of this virus authorities may have to enter people's homes and remove family members presumably by force. In most parts of the world, due to lockdown, most of the transmission that's actually happening in many countries now is happening in the household at family level. In some senses, transmission has been taken off the streets and pushed back into family units. Now we need to go and look in families to find those people who may be sick and remove them and isolate them in a safe and dignified manner. Just so you know, we're coming to your house seizing your children and quote isolating them in a safe and dignified manner. Yeah, seizing your children, that guy comes in my house and going to blow him away. I mean, this is just unbelievably bad. We've had a number of other developments that may emphasize a few that are highly political. Pelosi to Trump reopening the country too quickly will make matters worse. This is how speaker Nancy Pelosi cautioning that if President Trump reopens the country too quickly amid the coronavirus pandemic, he could make matters worse. Pelosi told Politico she would hope the scientific community would weigh in if the president is moving too fast. Well, in my opinion, he's moving too slow because he let himself be played. Now last night for an hour, while Tucker was on, given that brilliant little piece, I was with my representative Mark Polkan. He's a Democrat where I reside here near Madison, Wisconsin. I listened to him reiterate many, many Democratic points. I explained what I wanted to ask the congressman about, but I was put at the end of the queue so there was no tonic for me to appear. I wrote a letter to the editor down to the Wisconsin State Journal, which I predict they will not publish, but here's what I wrote. Listening to Representative Mark Polkan, Democrat this evening, he repeatedly advocated staying home indefinitely it seems as though the economy could survive on its own. The facts about the pandemic are open to challenge and the policies he recommends would be catastrophic. Worldometers.com reports that for the first quarter of 2020, there were 46,439 deaths from COVID-19, but 121,993 from the seasonal flu, even though it's killing three times as many as COVID-19. We're not hearing about a flu pandemic. There are around 6 million companies in the U.S., 90% of which have fewer than 20 employees. As investors watch blogs, or 75% of those cannot survive a month without revenue and we're coming up to a month. So because of COVID-19, we are shutting down the U.S. economy and destroying the middle class, even though it's a fix or minor compared to the flu and moreover, we seem to have readily available treatments that are cheap and easily available. When we can no longer put food on the table and keep a roof over our head society will fall apart. We must get back to work. No good reason not to do it now. In fact, if you go to world orbiters, you'll find the suicide rate is about double that of the seasonal flu. I'm telling you that if we do not have the opportunity to get back to work, the suicide rate is going to overwhelm many, many more times the past suicide rate. And of course, overwhelmingly greater than the COVID-19 is all complete bullshit. Here we have an expert, of course, reporting what's going on that the record number of bankruptcies are coming. Bankruptcies related to COVID-19 shutdowns will set records in the next 12 months, according to Edward Altman, a professor of merit that said NYU Stern School of Business, who developed a widely used method called the Z-Score for protecting business failures. Whether it's corporate bankruptcies or personal, this is unprecedented Altman said in an interview. We will break the record in dollar amounts because there are much greater amounts of debt outstanding now than in any prior down year. Meanwhile, we know the president has been contemplating alternative methods to reopen the country. Whether it would be whether it would be all at once or whether it would be opening sections of the country one by one and give me a moment to see if I can get my guess to connect with Mitchell by phone. If that's possible, of course, and I can bring him in that way because he's having trouble connecting with the internet. We need to get back to work this whole thing is a fraud in countries where they didn't lock down. They have a lower death rate and everyone's doing fine and their economies are vibrant. Then we have this very peculiar situation where the California governor knew some who I take it is and if you have Nancy Pelosi. It must be in his blood. Continues to describe California as a nation state. Several recent interviews, Governor Gavin Newsom, continues to describe California as a nation state. This is a typical tactic of the left when there is a successful Republican in chart. This is the same state that declared itself a sanctuary for illegal aliens not long ago. Newsom described California as a nation state back on March 28th or the first time. Meanwhile, is this what the end of America looks like? Will you sell out your country for $1,200? This is the amount they're planning to send for each of us to recover? Meanwhile, a CNN coronavirus town, a whole accident and a feature to trump the arrangement syndrome question. This is rather amusing. Whoops. CNN fell asleep at the switch during a coronavirus town hall on Thursday. When a viewer questioned about trump the arrangement syndrome made it onto live television. As Anderson Cooper, Dr. Sanjay Cooper, and hang on. I think I got him. Maybe I got him. Here. I don't know. I hate to think that I messed because this thing is a little tricky. You got to grab it just when he shows off. And CDC director Robert Redfield answered questions from viewers. CNN's on-screen graphics at one point included the question is stage four. TDS considered an underlying morbidity for TDS, of course, is short for Trump's arrangement syndrome. A condition that CNN's critics often accuse the networks of suffering from. I mean, it's absolutely unbelievable. I think if my guess will try again, I may be able to pull him in or Mitchell. Have you had any luck? Have you had any luck? Okay. We don't have him with Mitchell. But if he will call again, damn, damn, call again, try again, try again, try again. I'm having a juggle computer is here to get the messages to him and not being 100% successful. So we got a lot going on here. The whole thing appears to be falling apart. It turns out France, Chinese made medical supplies are going to be sent to France conditional on their adopting the Huay technology for 5G, where we knew the Huay 5G technology is a serious hazard to human beings and other living things. Meanwhile, we have the bizarre situation with the Democrats, where Bernie Sanders has now gone out of the ring. And yet he, he, hang on a second. He says he's on hold. He says he's on hold, Mitchell says he's on hold. Says he's on hold. Check it out. So we'll see this, this, this would have been the perfect situation for Bernie Sanders as a candidate. Pressure on Bernie to quit. We know has been intense. This was written just before he dropped out. But the fact is, he's going to stay in. Because I think the whole country would be enthusiastic about having, you know, Medicare for all at this point in town in time that he, it would be a good thing to have Bernie Sanders as a candidate because of the coronavirus. Because the Democrats are being so critical based upon false data, fabricated evidence where they appear to have been in on it from the beginning. We have a situation where Bernie could do rather well and with Google bringing in an extra 15 million votes. It seems to me Bernie would be a plausible candidate. But the problem is they're not doing that. They're sticking with Biden. Biden, of course, is cognitively impaired in my opinion. And it's pretty obvious. Biden is brain damaged. Biden is suffered from multiple aneurysms. And he, he, he's not going to be able to cut it. He doesn't know what state he's in, what office he's running for. Who he's talking to. I mean, it's extremely embarrassing with Biden. So he's not a viable candidate. The question then comes, what are they going to do? And by the way, I'm concerned with with with with the, um, try zoom again. I'm asking to try. I am available. Dan, I am available. So you're being told I'm not available, but I am available. So I'm going to what's happened to homeless by the way. You know, we had tens and thousands of homeless and San Francisco L.A. and Seattle. And they seem to have just simply disappeared. So I'm very concerned about their well be meanwhile. Attorney General Barr is very concerned about personal liberty after Bill Gates proposes a digital vaccine certificate. And I'm going to tell you, I'm convinced Bill Gates is the mastermind behind this whole absurd scenario, this whole political pandemic. It has no scientific validity. It's not a medical emergency. It's an effort to destroy the United States economically in usher in the new world order, which is very like the medieval world order where the rich were their castle surrounded by modes and the rest of us rock toiling in the field is certain slave. That's what they want. Henry Kissinger has been a major proponent. They want to wipe out the middle class. They want to make all our financial transaction digital. This is the bankers wet dream. So they know everything we do financially, whether it's buying a candy bar or a shotgun or going to the movies. Here's the latest report from the attorney general following Bill Gates proposal for digital certificates providing proving a person who's been vaccine against coronavirus attorney general Barr. City was very concerned about the slippery slow in terms of continuing encroachments on personal liberty. Eventually will have some digital certificate to show who's recovered or been tested. Or when we have a vaccine is received if he said, but he added the tracking of people in silver generally, especially going forward over long period of time. However, it is extremely hazardous and dangerous. And that's what he wants. Remember Bill Gates has been talking about having to have show your vaccine papers before you get on the plane. Right. This is like having a national ID. This is the way they're sneaking in yet. It turns out the heads of the World Health Organization and our own Anthony Fushie were in this from the beginning. They're all buddy buddies. Anthony Fushie pals around with Bill Gates. Bill Gates, pals around with Jeffrey Epstein turns out Bill Gates even pals around with Barack Obama and Michael Robinson. Before he's returned her persona into Michelle Robinson and eventually Michelle Obama. I mean, it's just absolutely shocking. So we have a photograph here. Let me pull it up. Where you can see that Bill Gates. Here's the young Bill Gates. And he's with Barack Obama and Michael Robinson who at this time had not had his rest implant. So he's as flat-chested as another man. Remember this guy played football for Oregon State before he transferred to Princeton and adopted a female persona. As I've many times reported on Michelle has a package that most women do not have. And it's obvious when she went on Ellen DeGeneres show and was dancing around. There was something swinging there that shouldn't have been there. Meanwhile, Dr. Raphael Esponizo is entrusted with former first lady or Obama's care during the 2008 presidential election. He's spoken out about what he believes the public needs to know with all the talk about Mrs. Obama once being a man. He felt he couldn't keep his mouth shut any longer. I know what I saw. Michelle Obama is not a woman who used to be a man. Michelle Obama is just a man with breast implants in a huge shaving bill. On the campaign trail, no medical staff were allowed to go near her other than to take vitals if she got sick, which she never did. I know what I know because I walked in on her or him while he was taking a leak standing up in a bathroom in Trenton. They paid me millions for my silence, but after seeing what they did to the country, I just can't keep quiet any longer, let them sue me. And of course, we have a diligent student who dragged down the parents of the children when two men cannot have children and the older girl is just like her father, the young girl, just like her mom. I mean, it's absolutely stunning stuff, embarrassingly bad, embarrassingly bad. I also have a short clip from Chicago here because it appears they're cracking down the police are cracking down. If you don't add here to these guidelines, now this is completely or well, it's totally unconstitutional. Listen to this. This is what happened when you violate the the curfew, want to stay at home. They grab everybody. Yeah, they still cut. So this is the repeated just repeated the curfew, want to stay at home. They grab everybody. Now, I'm doing daily updates with Dean Ryan and Los Angeles and Mike Barra in Seattle. And we've been doing it for two weeks, solid. You can find them on my Twitter account. That's that's sir. Okay, let me see if I can bring them in. Dan, do it again, do it again. Manage participants admit. There we go. Dan, are you there? Dan, way to go, way to go, way to go. Can you see me? Can you hear me? I can't hear you. We need your audio. Yeah. I'm going to go. My guest is Dan Talry and he's very keenly interested in the surveillance society. And obviously what we're talking about now is a massive imposition of the surveillance society using COVID-19 as a fake explanation. I'm not. Unmute, unmute your muted. Yeah, I'm muted. My God, I'm so sorry. This was so complicated getting you on. Listen, turn up your volume. Can you trump your volume just a hair? I don't know. No, that's what you do. You got now. It's good. It's good. Go ahead and start unloading. I mean, we won't take, we'll take colors late. So, you know, we can get you in for a good chunk of time before you start taking colors. Oh, I had a lay out your views about what's going on today and the future because it looks very, very bad to me and many others. Yeah. Well, I hope you have that email. I sent kind of his talking points. If not, I need to get my computer and open it up. But first, let me introduce myself. I'm obviously an American citizen. I graduated in 1990 with a degree in physics and mathematics and, you know, work as an engineer initially. And then around the year 2000, I had the opportunity to work abroad and I left the US in the year 2000. And since that time, I've been working mainly around Asia, including Malaysia, Singapore, China. And then a lot of temporary jobs in various other places. And my work, it started off as engineering related, meaning products, including optical fabrication, semiconductor, fabrication. And more recently, it's turned into data science kind of role. Now data science for those who aren't familiar is going to, it's going to have some overlap into what we would call artificial intelligence, developing algorithms for these kind of applications. And so this is the kind of work I do. Well, you know, leaving the US, of course, allowed me to see things probably differently than I would have had I been in the US. And so I've, I've kind of become increasingly aware of some of the things that you've actually touched upon. You know, the overreach of the surveillance society and all kinds of things. I mean, I could go on and on and on. So anyways, that's who I am. And currently I live and work in Singapore. I'd rather not say where I work. In fact, I don't want to. You don't need to. You know, but yeah, but my work basically involves analyzing sensor data and using the sensor data to make predictions or to determine the condition of a very sophisticated machine. So this gets into what you would call artificial intelligence, although it's different probably than what it's a different application than what people are afraid of. But I also live in Indonesia. So I'm a permanent resident here in Indonesia. And I'm in Indonesia now trapped. I'm basically trapped. What was that? Damn, let me ask you just for openers. Yeah, from the perspective of an Indonesia, what the hell is going on in the United States? Does it make any sense at all? Well, in general, I would say that, you know, of course, Indonesia, if you listen to the news, Indonesia has their own problem. It's, I think outside of China or maybe even more so than China, they have the most open cases of what they call COVID-19. And so they're very, you know, it's very serious here. And depending on the region, now Indonesia is highly localized, meaning what happens in one area is not necessarily going to be the same as what happens in another area. But some areas are under complete lockdown. People are more or less told to stay in their house. And this is causing a tremendous hardship because some people are basically live day to day, you know, selling food on the street or whatever. And they can't work. So what are they going to do? Die in the street? Yeah, I mean, this is what I always talk to my wife about. I mean, I think it's going to be the remedy is going to be worse than the dealness. That's right. I think that's exactly right. And by the way, worldomiters.com, which keeps up the statistics on worldwide category, showed that in the first quarter of this year, that there were three times as many deaths from the seasonal flu as there were from COVID-19. And twice as many deaths from suicide as there were from the seasonal flu. And a point I was making before we made contact here before we connected is that if we go get the country back to work again, the suicide rate is going to overwhelm by many more times the seasonal flu or COVID. That, you know, this plan appears to be to take out the middle class where 90% of the roughly six million companies in the US have 20 or fewer employees and where investors watch, and the number of people that are watching the program reported 75% of those companies could not survive one month without revenue. And we're just about there right now, Dan. We're just about there. I think society is going to start calling them hard if we don't get back to work now. Yeah, I absolutely agree. There's going to be a tremendous number of social problems that come out of this. You know, I was reading somewhere where divorce for these kind of situations, divorce rate goes up. Of course, you know, people starve or they get sick and die crime rate. We can expect to go up. I mean, it's going to be, it's going to be a disaster. And as far as the, you know, I didn't quite answer your first question. The view from here, if you talk to the average Indonesian person or the average Singaporean, I would say sadly they believe the news. They just kind of believe it and they don't, they don't analyze it. And so for example, they don't, you know, let's assume COVID-19 is real and it has the effects that they say, well, it still pales in comparison to the seasonal flu so far. Yeah, that's right. It's kind of a disproportionate reaction. And I don't think most people think that much about it. Sadly, they just had a lot of... When we, when we didn't connect, I began by playing some reports from a nurse in Utah, a doctor in Idaho about how they're being required to report deaths as COVID-19 deaths, even if they had nothing to do with COVID-19. We have had earlier reports that murders and suicides are being reported as COVID-19 deaths. The whole thing is a massive pile of bullshit. So when you come to data, the data is all faked and fudged. I've got a state senator from Minnesota who's also a physician reporting how he was contacted and asked to identify a patient cause of death unknown as a COVID-19 patient. And then hospitals are being given $13,000 for each patient they identify as COVID-19. And $39,000 for each patient they put on a ventilator. And as you may well know, Dan, putting a person on a ventilator is very bad for their lungs and there's a high percentage of those put on ventilators who die who would almost certainly have not had they not been put on a ventilator. So this is all very nasty, stopped, totally political and rooted in a massive pile of data that is fabricated, manufactured, phony, fake. It's shocking to me, Dan. Yeah, it is to me also. But this kind of leads us to the subject of data. And who controls the data and who interprets the data, it's extremely powerful. And you can see here, just basically from a news story, they can shut down the world. That's right. Because this is all a mind game. There is no coronavirus pandemic. There is not. It's totally manufactured. So we're seeing the power of propaganda now as a professional philosopher I dealt with the issue of reality versus illusion. But what we got here is the greatest state of mass illusion ever in the history of the United States. Dan, I used to think that the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the world was the moon landing. We didn't go to the moon. It's provable on dozens of grounds. I've done a whole bunch of stuff, including have a book devoted in part to the fact we couldn't go to the moon. But I'm telling you this overwhelms the moon landing fraud by many degrees, many orders of magnitude, especially because the moon landing fraud only involved diverting a certain chunk of taxpayer money to NASA for illicit purposes. Whereas this is going to devastate the US economy if it's allowed to continue in other words, America is going to be cooked. Stick a fork and it's done. Yeah, I personally think we're witnessing whether it's purposeful, no orchestrated or just through sharing confidence. I think we're witnessing what is going to end up to be a transition in in the world power structure. I don't think the United States is going to come out of this very well. You know, so it's too bad. We've had multiple explanations of what it's going to be like and it's very medieval. If you wipe out the middle class stand, then you got the rich and you got the rest of us toiling in the fields like serves as a very medieval version where they're in their castle surrounded by modes, they call them gated communities. And everyone else is in poverty and you don't have only the mega, the biggest corporations like Amazon and Walmart running the world. I mean, it's absolutely disgusting because they're wiping out small business here in the United States. It is being wiped clean even as we speak. Yeah, and so, you know, one of the, you know, when I was talking to you originally via email, one of the things that I, that I wanted to talk about that that I think deserves more time and these kind of forms is solutions. I mean, it's, it's fine to talk about the problem and observe the problem and maybe that makes, you know, you feel better for a moment or whatever, but it doesn't really, it doesn't solve the problem. And so, you know, you know, the fact that you mentioned that the power and all these things are being consolidated to a few and fewer hands, smaller number of corporations, et cetera. Ultimately, this is up to each individual. I mean, as an individual, you don't have to go to Walmart, maybe not at the moment, maybe in the future you will. But I mean, at the moment, you could still go to the neighborhood grocery store. You still could go to the farmer's market. You can do a lot of things to support things on a local level and kind of refuse to participate in this centralization. If they exist as options, if they exist at options, there's a huge, we have a huge farmer's market here in Madison. And the time for the farmer's market is coming up and they're debating whether or not they're getting even allowed to go forward. They've shut the rules down. They're not allowing people to go to church. I mean, for crying out loud, you know, I mean, Easter, because they after tomorrow, they're going to keep people out of church. It's a gross violation of our constitutional rights. In fact, all of this seems to me to be a massive mind control operation using television, which is the greatest brainwashing device. I never designed by the hand of man. I agree. And yeah, for those people who still have an option, you should start to exercise that option. You should grow your own garden. If you live in a place where you can have your own chickens, I mean, and this is what I do, you know, personally, I've what I'm telling you is what I do. But every person has their own scenario, their own situation, maybe for some people that's already too late. But for those who have some options, you should start exercising those options and refuse to participate in your basically in your enslavement. If it goes on to the point where there are no gardens and there are no farmers markets and there's only, you know, Walmarts, you know, then you will starve to death unless you go to Walmart. And that's obviously what they want. So yeah. David Ike who does have some bizarre ideas, but also is quite a brilliant guy gave an interview to the BBC where he was talking about hunger games as a parallel for those who have seen the movie. That ought to instill fear up and down your spine because I think he had a spot on Kissinger Henry who's got to be one of the brains behind all of this is also talking about going to a completely digital financial system, which always led me to say, well, what about people who don't have credit cards, you know, they're going to just die in the streets. It's going to allow them to track every transaction we make, whether it's buying a candy bar or a shotgun or going to the movies. It's a means of control. And frankly, I find it grossly offensive. It's a kind of techno tyranny. They have the ability to do these things and therefore they feel justified because they want to move to consolidate power in their hands, the hands of the very few, the very rich and the very powerful. Yeah, and I guess one pause to recall, you know, the book of revelations in the Bible, I'm sure you're familiar with that, you know, it talks about the beast, you know, the mark of the beast and in one of the passages of revelation states that for those who don't accept the mark of the beast, you know, you can either buy it or sell. Now, whether or not you're religious or a Christian or whatever, you have to admit that that is really coming to pass. And, you know, and getting into the subject that I think we're eventually going to get into, which is, you know, artificial intelligence, the internet of things and how this all links up with the control grid of the surveillance society. You know, eventually once things are sufficiently connected and you're basically every aspect of your life is in the digital realm. Then it will become an autonomous, autonomous meaning no human will be the one deciding whether or not to shut you down. You know, at the moment, maybe somebody has to kind of review you manually and, you know, look at the things you said online and all that, that takes a lot of manpower. But the power of artificial intelligence and some of the algorithms they can do is once things are sufficiently connected, they can basically run algorithms to determine whether you're a good guy or a bad guy in their view. So they know everything about us, damn, we're coming up to the break from the chat room. There's a request for an email to reach me. The simplest is just use gym at moonrockbooks.com gym at moonrockbooks.com. I'm going to keep Dan on without taking collars for the next 15 or 20 minutes. So he has an opportunity to reset his views. And then we'll open the call lines for all of you to speak to me and to Dan about any of these issues we've been addressing. Meanwhile, of course, we're coming right up on the break now, but Dan, I'm so pleased we were able to finally make contact. 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Dan, I am so pleased again that we make contact. Please begin. Tell us what you'd like to share. Yeah. Well, thank you again for having me on Dr. Fetzer. By the way, I didn't have a chance to give you alcalades. I really appreciate your work. I'm a longtime fan. So, yeah. Good job. Thank you. Thanks, Dan. I'm a real pleased to have you here. Yeah. And I know you've made a lot of personal sacrifice to stand up for your beliefs and to point things out. So I respect that. Yeah. So for your listeners, I'm not sure how you introduce me, but I am working in a field that we could. You can refer to as relating to artificial intelligence. And I've been a long time, so called conspiracy theorist. Yes, yes. Look, after this stand, we're all going to be conspiracy theorists. Anyone who goes through this coronavirus pandemic, totally fabricated and doesn't understand we're being lied to all the time. This is one of the biggest examples of the big lie in history. Yeah. Yeah. So I may be a conspiracy theorist, but I'm not stupid. Obviously, I'm educated, very well, you know, read and all this stuff. So I just want to share some of my views about the things that I see and that I've come across in my, my work that are disturbing to me and concerning. And some solutions, maybe that people can think about for themselves. So, yeah, later on, if any callers have any questions about artificial intelligence, how things are and actually in China, because I lived in China. Yeah, I mean, a lot of interesting things to talk about. But as I mentioned, I work in Singapore now, and I live in Singapore, but I'm trapped in Indonesia where I have a home. Luckily, it's a good place to be trapped, but I can't return to work until things settle down. So I first want to just to just give people the brief introduction about what how artificial intelligence works. If you don't mind, Dr. Fett, is that okay? Sure. Yeah, in the simplest term, I mean, people may have heard of some fancy terminology like neural networks and so forth. That, you know, and that is one artificial in one AI type of algorithm. These are algorithms broadly fitted to a category that we can call machine learning. So you may see that term sometimes machine learning. But they're basically various complex mathematical algorithms that are used to, you know, in most cases, to classify. And so, you know, the famous, a famous case might be if you were given a random picture of the cat and a dog, right? And you feed this picture, which is basically basically comprised of pixels, you feed it into an algorithm, the algorithm algorithm predicts a probability that it is either a cat or a dog. And if it's more probable that it is a cat, the algorithm will say cat. Okay. And probably the simplest way of these algorithms of work or what we would call tree based algorithms such as random forest. That's a very well well known and highly used one. And basically random forest is asking a series of questions. If you want to identify whether it's a cat or dog, one thing you might ask is how big is it? You know, the size. Is it taller than this? If it is, you know, it goes down one branch. If it's shorter than this, it goes down to another branch. And it can ask various questions, which would be considered attributes or variables that are associated with cats and dogs. So you have you have all these questions or all these variables that it's asking, is it this or that? And, and you know, you go down whichever path and at the end of that path is the conclusion, well, that's a cat. So this is a, you know, very simple case of using a picture. Well, how this relates to artificial intelligence in terms of how it affects us in terms of surveillance. You know, when they're when they're classifying you as whether or not you're a high risk individual, meaning a, you know, a guy like you doctor, Fetzer, who has an audience. You know, they can ask various things like, you know, are you a radio show host? You talk bad about certain countries that you shouldn't talk bad about. You know, they have all these questions and attributes that they can ask. And based on the answer of those attributes, they will come up with a classification for you. Okay, your high risk individual, you're one of the sheep. You know, and the concerning thing about this, you know, of course, is the out that they're collecting all this information. But the real concern, anything to me is what is called the Internet of Things, I O T. Have you, you're from here with that obviously, Dr. Fetzer, correct? I don't know about the I O T. I actually have a couple books on artificial intelligence. So, you know, I find the whole field quite fascinating, but you can remind for our audience, you know, the, the meaning of the notion. Well, this is a buzzword that, you know, maybe just in my circles, you know, it hasn't trickle down to the typical, you know, person. But you'll see it sometimes it's a capital I, then a small O, and then a capital T. You'll see this sometimes, and it stands for the Internet of Things. And what this is is the attempt to make every single device interconnected via the Internet, right? And this gets into the thing about 5G if you want to talk about 5G a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I'm worried about 5G, frankly. Yeah, so, you know, we know we have smart phones, we know smartphones can surveil us in various ways and all that. But probably if you, if you notice, if you look, you'll, you'll start to see that things that seem quite benign like refrigerators, maybe. And televisions and every, every appliance that you can think of suddenly is a smart device. You know, the smart home, a smart device. And these devices are connected. They're all connected. Tell us the meaning of smart by enlarge in this context, Dan. Yeah, well, smart to me. I mean, I don't know the official definition, but it's something that is connected that at the end of the day with you, some kind of artificial intelligence patterns. So, for example, if you had a really, really smart home, the smart home would start to monitor when you came home at night. And it would start to build up a pattern. Well, Monday through Friday, you come home at this time and then Saturday and Sunday, your home all day. It will build up a pattern of when you're home, which rooms you're in, etc. And then it will start to control things automatically. Could we say that? Could we say smart devices perform features or patterns of operation that usually would require a mind. And in that sense, represent the application of AI. Absolutely. This is a simple application of AI. And it sounds benign, right? I mean, what would be what's so bad about having something turn your lights on and off? And what's so bad about having your refrigerator communicate with an RFID chip that's in your milk cart and need to tell you that the milk is going to expire. It sounds all all good. But of course, where it's bad is that in the background, they can be surveilling you and creating another buzzword as a digital twin, meaning a digital gym fencer exists where they basically can replicate and recreate every aspect of your behavior. And once they can do that, then they can start to make predictions. Okay. And they can literally predict that you're going to be late to work next week for something for some reason. And that's bad enough, but the worst is the. What I believe, where I believe this is going is with the internet of things, the connectivity. If they classify you as a bad guy, not only will they shut your bank account down, but your refrigerator might suddenly stop working your television might suddenly stop working everything that's interconnected will just stop. And you will be kind of, you know, cut out completely or your automobile under computer control might veer into the next lane and back into an 18 wheeler. Absolutely. You know, I got a little story to tell you about that Dr. Fetzer when I lived in Malaysia, I had a Mercedes Mercedes sports car was very, very powerful. And it started to behave strangely. And in one of the things that it would do is I would I would be sitting, you know, at a stoplight or whatever with my foot on the break and it would just suddenly want to accelerate on its own. Into oncoming traffic. Well, into whatever. But yeah, I get your point. Now the ECU it's called the ECU it's an engine control unit. It's a little computer. That's in all modern cars that literally controls every single system. So the steering, the brakes, they're all controlled. And again, the good thing is it allows for much higher performance because you can tune things in real time, etc. But anyways, once my car started to want to take off on its own being, you know, is a very powerful car. You know, it could literally jump off the line. So to speak, I became concerned, obviously, I took it to the Mercedes guy. And I said, you know, something's wrong with my car. He looked at it. He told me that I needed to replace my engine control unit. I said, OK, how much is it cost? Well, that was the first shock. A brand new one cost like $6,000. And this is a computerized control mechanism you're talking about. Yeah, it's literally a computer that sits on the top of your engine. Yeah, in my case. So it's quite expensive. What was this diagnosis? And he run it through an analyzer and come up with this as a solution. Yeah, they have automated systems that they connect to the car where they can run through a series of tests. So he was able to, he was able to know that the ECU, the entry control unit is bad. It was able to be very specific about it. Dan was able to say exactly because I mean, these computerized systems can be beneficial to you, but they allow remote control of the car. Absolutely. Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. Why where I started to believe that this is really true. I asked him, I said, OK, well, can I buy a used one and we, we haggle back and forth and there were used, there were new units and there were used units. And I, and he said, if I wanted to buy a new one, I had to give him my passport details. Now, can you imagine? Yeah, this is a mechanic. It's not an official Mercedes place, but he's a little, you know, independent operator who works on Mercedes for him to get a brand new part out of Germany. He needed to know, you know, my, this kind of information. He needed to know my passport. And I said, no way, man, I'm not going to, you know, this is bullshit. Basically, yeah, yeah. And so I had to work. Yeah. And I had to with him and it turns out that he said, well, OK, I know a guy, I know somebody that can literally go through and do a component by a component check. He says it'll take some time. I don't know how long it'll take. It may succeed or not. So when he was at, he took my engine control unit and he sent it to some guy. And this guy basically found one single component that was bad. Yeah. And he replaced for about 500 US dollars. And I didn't have to give my passport. So the moral of the story here is here is an example of the Internet of things. OK. What a car what I what I started to realize is for what reason did they need to know my, my information for this part? And yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's troubling. That's troubling, Dan, because they knew exactly then who would be driving the vehicle that they could micro manage to the computer. Yes. And they absolutely can do that. And so this makes me recall you remember about two, three years ago, Putin, his car was. Yeah. Yeah. And it's so first is they were at your fur was killed. Yeah. By a guy that just suddenly got this doctor Robert Epstein. This guy was the editor in chief of psychology today. Last July testified to Congress and he was questioned by Ted Cruz about Google's manipulation of algorithm by sending get out votes groups to selected some populations that they had in responsible for between two point two point six and ten point for additional votes for Hillary in 2016 that they really were responsible for the house going Democrat in 2018 they were going to go all out in 2020 with about 15 million votes. And would you believe shortly thereafter his wife he had a much younger wife her car veered out of control in front of an 18 wheeler and was killed. I think they felt killing him would have been too obvious. So since he blew their cover and exposed what they were really doing. And this is why Bernie one with that huge margin in South Carolina and what they began you know he went from a five point lead the week before to a 30 point victory over Bernie, which is completely absurd. I mean if this has been real you have to rewrite all the political science textbooks in the United States. But they had to keep it up for super Tuesday and so forth. So here's a man who over 32 years in politics three president from campaign had not won a single primary or caucus Joe Biden. All of a sudden is winning by landslide and it's got nothing to do with bite. He's actually deteriorated. He's cognitively incompetent. He's brain damage but Google is getting out of vote. So I mean it's just outrageous. Dan what the has been going on here. And it's another electronic manipulation of her lives. Yeah, but but the note Jim that that it is a you know the people who fall for all these things willingly do so. And they don't fight when they can fight. So very good example is when I realized that we know why do these guys need my passport. I basically refused and haggle with the guy and I found a way out of it. I ultimately left Malaysian I sold the car and if I were to buy a car these days I would not buy a new car. I would only buy an old. Yeah, that didn't have a computerized. The design. You mentioned Mercedes. I had a 76 to 80 s that I bought through the gray market when I was in the green car. In hand for about 30 years until my wife concluded it was taking up too much space in the garage where we had you know two car garage but we weren't driving it. But I mean the Mercedes makes a wonderful. I have a friend who was in the UK in a hit on accident because it's a Mercedes that's designed for the engine to drop to the ground to absorb the shock. And he survived when he would have been killed in any other car and he also had the advantage of the British public medicine. You know he had a wonderful hospitalization in costumant time. This is why it was seen before you came on that Murray really would be the candidate for now because coronavirus makes everyone aware of the health problems in the family and have a national health care plan. But they have other plans. I'm convinced now it's going to be Andrew Cuomo who may or may not have Hillary's money mate which is very risky for anyone because if Hillary's a VP your life expectancy as president has been dramatically abbreviated. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so this is an example of you know if those people who really feel that their freedoms are being encroached on and. And they're kind of being backed into a corner. Do you have the discipline you know and the initiative to start to separate yourself from this control grid meaning by an old car meaning of get an old standard kind of phone you know don't get a smartphone. If enough people would were to do that it could I would say it would solve the problem but unfortunately you and I know that the majority of people are going to go along with the program. So you know that's why for me the solution at least in my life was just to get out get out of the United States come to a country that was less developed and set up you know a life here which is what I did in Indonesia. There's a lot to be said for those people who can get out of the US and go to a less developed place I highly recommend that they consider that. You know, I think you're making a fascinating point which is that technology can promote tyranny and that's what we're dealing with here now they can know so much they can surveil every digital operation we perform our financial records are medical records every phone call every cell phone every message every text every email they have an all and you know it gives them an immense control it's like with this with Google they know exactly what voters to remind you get out the vote in South Carolina it was easy it was a lot of black voters they just had to remind them Joe