LEAVING NEVERLAND PT. 2 MICHAEL JACKSON SEXUAL ABUSE ***MUST SEE***

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I never told anyone about any of the sexual stuff that went on. I felt special. I was this boy from the other side of the world. Michael chose me. There's no question I was like head over heels in love with Michael. And he said he loved me. Hey, kids. Yeah. You're welcome. What's your name? My name's Wade. His name's Wade. How old are you Wade? 10. 10 years old. A real momentum had started behind my career. In the dance world, starting to do music videos, commercials, and acting in TV shows. What are we so about to do? A lot of it became about impressing Michael. Hopefully make him happy and make him impressed and get that stamp of approval. There was kind of mass sleepover at Neverland. I would have been about 11. And it was Jordy, Jordan Chandler, McColley Culkin, and myself. Jordy was the new kid, the new boy, and the one who was super close with Michael. Michael and Jordy would disappear a lot. And I remember this particular moment when all of us kids and Michael were hanging out in Michael's bedroom in Neverland. All of a sudden, Michael and Jordy were gone. They had gone in one of his bathrooms and the door was closed. You know, I used to be the boy who was in there with Michael. You know, I just knew in my gut that that's what they were doing. When they were disappearing, they were doing all of that same sexual stuff. Good morning, everyone. Michael Jackson is at the center of a criminal investigation in Los Angeles. One report talks of child abuse charges. Official reports obtained by NBC News detailed the allegations against Jackson made by a 13-year-old boy. He told a caseworker that a four-month-long relationship with Jackson began with the singer hugging him and ended with various sex acts. When Potsdar Michael Jackson dropped out of sight two weeks ago, there was much speculation that he was trying to duck child molestation allegations. Jackson's people claim the charges are part of an extortion plot. They claim that Michael is more of a victim than a suspect. He loved children. He'd miss that on his childhood. He just enjoyed being with children. I can hear him saying to me, I would never hurt a child. He would cry. I could never hurt a child and he would break into tears. Very convincing. You know, I'd been told that Wade was sleeping, doing sleepovers with Michael, sleeping in his bed. And then he hears stories of someone accusing him of molesting a child. Like, holy crap. Is that what's happening with my brother? The next big thing I remember was two cops showing up at my door. They said that Michael had been charged with child abuse. They said to Wade, you know, you've done nothing wrong. You can tell us. It's not your fault you've done nothing wrong. Wade was very stoic. But this was terrifying right from the get. This is the first time that anyone ever directly asked me, you know, did Michael Jackson ever touch you sexually or anything like that? Without flinching, without batting an eyelash, you know, my answer was, no, no way. Absolutely not. You know, did this, did he ever touch you here? Did this sort of thing ever happen? Did he ever show you any pornography? All of those sorts of questions, you know, over and over again without flinching, my answer was, no, absolutely not, never. Obviously as a mother, when these allegations were brought to us, the first thing I, when I get Wade by himself, I said to him, okay, so as your mother, I need to ask you, you know, if Michael ever done anything inappropriate with you and he was so convincing, absolutely not. He has never, ever done anything, never. You know, as soon as the cop started asking me these questions, the first thing that came to mind for me was everything that Michael started saying to me when I was seven. You know, if anyone ever found out that we were doing any of these sort of things, these sexual things, that he and I would go to jail for the rest of our lives, it's terrifying. Why is Michael Jackson an adult repeatedly sleeping in the same bed with a young boy? It is important to know that children everywhere are watching to see how this child who has been brave enough to come forward to make his allegations will be treated. They may be fearful about what will happen to them if they come forward to make a charge against the celebrity or against a powerful person. There have been many disgusting statements made recently concerning allegations of improper conduct on my part. These statements about me are totally false. They serve the search warrant on me which allowed them to view and photograph my body including my penis, my buttocks, my lower torso, thighs and any other error that they wanted. It brings tears to my eyes when I see any child who suffers. I am not guilty of these allegations, but if I am guilty of anything, it is of guilt giving all that I have to give to help children all over the world. It is of loving children of all ages and races. It is of gaining sheer joy from seeing children with their innocent and smiling faces. To my friends and fans, thank you very much for all of your support. Together we will see this through to the very end. I love you very much and may God bless you all. I love you. Goodbye. He had been, I think, a little absent from my life. And then he is back in it because he needs you for something. He needs you to testify. So honestly, you are happy that he is back. You are kind of just excited that he is talking to you again. You showed it on the news. Totally shocked. I told my husband we need to talk to Jimmy. He said Michael did not touch him. Are you alright? Did anything happen to you? No mom. It was like no mom like that. They would go for months without talking or seeing each other. Now all of a sudden, once this Jordy case kind of exploded in the press, every day, he would call. Friday, 3, 12, B, M. Gary. It's Applehead. I was wondering maybe sometimes tomorrow night we could see a movie. Be really nice. So I call you tomorrow, Ray. I've actually been tomorrow and then we maybe can do something. Thank you. Goodbye. Bye little one. After these phone calls had been going on for a while, there were really similar each one and just the same sort of talk and what I understand now as coaching sessions. I went into meet his lawyers for like a rehearsal that gave me, they did like a mock interview, you know, kind of role playing a policeman or a lawyer and you know, we know you guys have done this. We have photos. So just tell us, just tell us about it that that's like a ploy. Like they don't know, they don't have photos, just tell them no. That's like the golden rule, you know, just don't tell them and they don't actually know or they can't prove it. It was reported in Vanity Fair that Michael convinced that his 13 year old mother, the mother of his 13 year old accuser to allow him to move in with them in the same house and that for three months he slept in the same bed with this 13 year old boy. I mean, at best would you describe Michael Jackson's behavior as just extremely weird? Well, I wouldn't accept what I read in Vanity Fair Katie and that's one of the things I'd like to talk about at some point. But let me say this, I think when the facts come out that you'll find out that Michael Jackson loves children and he loves them in a very, very proper way. You know, very much said he used the, they want fame and money card. Like that was kind of what he pitched to everybody. So that's what he told my parents and they believed them. And I said to Michael, why is this boy doing this to you? And he said, oh, it's not him, it's his father. His father wants money. My asked if he was angry with the boy. He said, no, I'm not angry with him. And I thought, what a good man. What a good man Michael is. He's not even mad at the child. Jackson likes to surround himself with young children and some of them have been speaking out on his behalf. This night, this girl who says she and her brother have spent lots of time with Jackson talked to station K and B C in Los Angeles, denouncing the allegations of child molestation. I think it's sick personally because Michael loves little kids. You know, I've known Michael since I was 10. He's never done anything to me. He's never done anything to my brother. I love this man. I trusted him. I didn't think he would ever do anything. You know that people, and it is famous and people could do this and people could be after money and stuff like that. So that wasn't hard to believe. Joy Robinson said she did not believe Jackson would molest anyone. You just developed that trust within immediately. He's just a very special person. Because we were so close with Michael, obviously I wanted to believe that. But more than anything, I believed my son. I believed that he would have told me had something happened. Sources tell see it and authorities may attempt to bring weight before the grand jury. I was excited by the idea of being able to defend him and being able to save him. Yeah, I know there's been different times where it just be me and Michael. There ain't no other times where he has other friends over too. It's just a slum party. You just have a lot of fun. I've been there when these kids have been in Michael's room. I've been there with them. It's just party time. They watch videos, they eat junk food, they play video games. They play so hard. They fall asleep. They're exhausted. They fall asleep. There's nothing more to it than that. From your standpoint, does it seem unusual for a 34-year-old man to have kids sleeping over? Not when you know Michael's background. Under normal circumstances, possibly yes. But Michael, everybody knows he didn't have a childhood. Soon it will be Jackson's turn himself to respond to questions. The teen said that when they traveled together to Monaco last May, quote, that's when the whole thing really got out of hand. He then masturbated me to climax. After that, Michael Jackson masturbated me many times both with his hand and with his mouth. Among the documents filed with the court were excerpts of depositions by several former Jackson employees. Including Jackson's show Furr, who said he dropped the entertainer off at the boy's house on overnight visits, 30 days in a row. Also included was a deposition of former Jackson made Blanca, Francia, who claims that at Jackson's Neverland Ranch, he has a closet within a closet in which he kept pictures and videotapes of children. She also claims to have seen Jackson naked with young boys on several occasions. Jackson publicly denied the allegations last week at the NAACP image awards in Pasadena. Everyone is presumed to be innocent and totally innocent until they are charged with a crime and then convicted by a jury of death. He asked me to testify. There was like a pre-trial, so I went to court. I remember going in there and being very robotic. I mean, like I said, I rehearsed it so much that it was just going through the motions. They asked and I said, no, of course. Just like part of it, my job to do that for Michael. He's a very, very nice kind person. He wouldn't hurt anybody. He doesn't have a mean bone in his body. Like I knew it was true, but I couldn't let myself go there. And it was just like, Jordy was the enemy. Michael told me that I had to lie. And that's what I did. I lied. I know Michael very well. I know he wouldn't do anything like that. Has he ever tried to do anything with you that would even be considered questionable? No, nothing. Nothing at all has never touched him. Have you ever seen Michael make it? No. There's a stunning development in the Michael Jackson story NBC News has confirmed that lawyers for the entertainer accused of sexually molesting a 14-year-old boy are now seeking an out-of-course settlement in that case and that lawyers for both sides are actively negotiating an agreement which could be announced as soon as tomorrow. Jackson reportedly is prepared to pay at least $10 million to settle this case. I don't have any guilt about not being able to tell the truth. I had no choice but to say what I did in that position when I was 11. That was what I had to say. We wish to jointly announce a mutual resolution of this lawsuit. The resolution of this case is in no way an admission of guilt by Michael Jackson. Then when they settled out a court, I asked him why he did that and he said my attorney said it would cost me more money to fight it. So it was better for me to settle it. The accuser settled a civil lawsuit against Jackson reportedly for between $5 and $25 million. Then they took that money. People said to me that just proves his guilty and I would say no. That to me proves that all it was about all along with money. How much money would it make it okay for your child to be abused? $10 million? No. $20 million? Oh, maybe. I said to me no amount of money would make that okay. If I thought that he had touched my son, I would not stop till he was behind bars. We wanted to buy another house and Michael gave us a loan at a very low percentage rate. My husband had already had a deposition. We were on Michael's camp. My son also for Michael. After that was all said and done is when Michael forgave the debt. Michael said no, I don't want you to pay me anymore. It's a gift. So he did buy us a house. It's just coincidental. He wasn't buying us off. But the time means right there. Just sounds bad. Yeah. My mom and I went to Neverland soon after that for a few days. Same sort of physical scenario happened, meaning mom stayed in one of the rooms upstairs at Neverland. And I went into Michael's room and into Michael's bed and the same sexual stuff all happened again. The first hearing that he wanted to see me, that he wanted me to come there felt so good. I'm back. We're coming back together. He would just call every once in a while. He gave me a car when I turned 16. It was very much in the filmmaking and I was doing my filmmaking classes. And Michael tells you that you don't need school. Nobody who ever did anything good goes to school. So he'd say you don't need it. He's always me. He very much said you're going to be like a little Spielberg. Michael would fund these short films. And I made those all throughout high school. I made like a 35 millimeter short film at Neverland. And he talked to my parents because I was in some of the advanced classes and he said you don't need math. So he convinced my parents to pull me out of the classes so that I can kind of don't have to worry about studying and just focus on filmmaking. And he would he tell them don't worry I'll be there. Very much is like making you depend on him. Like don't go get an education. Just I'll take care of it. And then when he went away just kind of derailed and I was pretty lost. Well it was apparently more than just a rumor press agents have now confirmed that Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Pressley are husband and wife. The two say they denied their marriage for a month in an attempt to avoid the glare of the media. Mrs. Pressley Jackson issues a statement saying she's very much in love with Michael and looks forward to raising a family. I remember Michael saying to me that he's going to have to have these public relationships with women so that people don't don't think anything. He would always say he's just he's going to get married. He said he'd have to go get married at some point but that it wouldn't mean anything. So one day I got a phone call from Michael. He said Stephanie I'm not going to be able to come over as often. It was a short phone call. Hang up went to my husband and said we've just been dumped. Yeah it was an emptiness. I loved him. He was one of my children. It was a child leaving the home so it felt. Gano's seeing less of Michael. Still talking to him but less. Two to three times a year. Still every time that I was physically with him and stayed the night with him anywhere the same sexual stuff happened. My dad's world was kind of really building and moving towards me being a choreographer. The dance studio that I had been going to for years has to come to them and said I want to teach. They gave me a shot substituting for other teachers. They gave me my own class and really quickly that class became massive packed. Michael was preparing for his history world tour. I was brought by Michael's driver to the dance studio where Michael was rehearsing. For me to be able to watch for her so a little bit and hang out. And that night he took me back with Michael back to hotel. And so I'm 14 at this point and I've had a major growth spurt. I'm probably 5'11". So the same or taller than Michael. Just a whole different physical vibe. And at some point in the night we slip back into the routine. The same sort of sexual stuff. And I don't remember how exactly it evolved to this, how it moved to this next stage. But what ended up happening is Michael tried to penetrate me in my anus with his penis. Trying for a while and I guess was able to a bit but it was really painful and too painful for me. So he stopped. And I don't remember us talking about it or anything like that or acting like anything particularly different had happened. I think after that, after it wasn't working after it was too painful for me, we kind of went back to our regular sexual routine. The next morning, Michael had like a recording session to prepare for. He handed me some new like camera that he had gotten that I could play with. I was dropped off by his driver back to my condo in Hollywood. And then that afternoon my mother receives a phone call from Michael's personal secretary that Michael wants to see Wade right away. I think I was picked up again by Michael's driver and brought to the dance studio where he was back in rehearsals. Right away, he just went right into it. He was kind of super nervous and said, what did you do with your underwear from last night? I said, I don't know. I took him off and you know, showered and put new ones on. He said, you got to go home and find them. And I don't know if there's any, there might be some blood on them. If there's, you got to get rid of them. How long to take you to get home? I got back in the car and he drove me back to the condo and luckily, not luckily. No, I guess my mother hadn't found them, hadn't tried to clean them or anything yet. I found them to wear it and there was some drops of blood on the inside. You will. I grabbed them, stuffed them in my pocket down into the garage and threw them in the bin. That was the last sexual experience that I remember with Michael. Wedding bells have rung again for Michael Jackson. The superstar is on a working honeymoon this morning with his new bride in Australia. It's the first leg of his history world tour and Michael Jackson is mixing music with marriage in Sydney, Australia. The gloved one giving his hand to longtime friend Debbie Roe, who also happens to be six months pregnant with his baby. Somewhere in 2001 or 2002, I think some desire started building in me to want to try and connect with Dad more. We had a couple of phone conversations when he was still in Australia. He told me some stories of his life and I don't know, it felt like the beginning of something. I'd moved from Brisbane to the Gold Coast. He was living down the coast so I was seeing him a little bit more often. We'd made it and like got up out and play some pool and talk. I don't know if he was even working at that point. He didn't really have any much money. I think he was probably just living on the government kind of hand out. He'd kind of gone downhill. I would see my dad usually about maybe every two years and his mental and emotional state just really continued to degrade over the years. He was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. He was doing things like disappearing in the night and going on walks through the city through LA and catching buses and we'd have to find him. I think it kind of scared Wade a little bit and Anshantal which didn't help the relationship at all. I mean I think it terrified me but my reaction to it was just to get angry and like I just wanted him to go. Wade really pushed my dad away. He didn't understand why he had to understand him because he didn't even know him really. He didn't feel that he needed this person in his life. We talked a lot and at some point he said to me don't you ever let anybody tell you that you did the wrong thing. He said you did the right thing for Wade and it was the right thing for me. He said I learned to stand on my own two feet. I was so dependent on you and I had to learn to live without you and stand on my own two feet. So he did he did right above it for a while. It's only when Shane left that he couldn't cope anymore. At that point I didn't know I was leaving for good. I said I'm taking six months off to go and hang out with the family. The day that I left my grandparents, his mom and dad, and dad came over like a say goodbye before I headed to the airport. I remember dad didn't say a word. There was nothing at all. He was just kind of like a stature and I was just staring off in the distance. Then I remember like saying goodbye and giving him a hug. I don't even think he hugged me. I think he just stood there while I hugged him. He was just like the lights were on but no one was home. I feel like I'd been here for a day maybe. Mom was driving around in the car. I get a phone call and it was my girlfriend at the time. I was like, I'm going to be there. I was like, I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. I get a phone call and it was my girlfriend at the time from Australia. She was a police officer as well. She called me and said, sorry, shame but your dad's dead. The day that he left, his father hung himself. I think my response was just anger at first. You also basically always kind of pissed off. He'd hung himself in his apartment. His mom and dad found him. I was in a recording session. I was writing and producing some music for a pop group. I got out of the recording session, went to my car and I had all these kind of missed calls from my mother. She told me your dad died. I brought all the children in home for the night and we stayed up all night and we laughed and we cried. But then from I think the next day, I don't know, I felt like I just started stitching myself up again already. One, two, three, four. I'm never, never, never. I mean after the funeral was done and we went back to Los Angeles, I just went back to the business of moving on and getting back to work. I see it was fairly normal. At 17, within sync I directed. What I think of the time was considered the largest tour, just in scale, as either it ever happened. You might not have heard of Wade Robson, but right now he's one of the biggest names in world music. The Queensland-born 19-year-old has found fame and fortune as the most sought after hitmaker in America. The creative force behind pop star Brittany Spears and boy band in sync. At 16, after the family had moved to LA, he started choreographing Brittany Spears. She was so impressed she asked him to take creative control of every facet of her worldwide dream within a dream tour. She works real hard, so that's important and I'm a workaholic and a slave driver. But she's willing to put in the work, so that always helps. You're probably every guy's hero, you know that. I guess so. Michael had some sort of obsession with Brittany. And he would call me and he'd want to know what it was like working with her and what she was like and isn't she sexy, isn't she beautiful. Wondering if I can set up like a way for them to meet. And in those conversations as well, Michael was really interested in my sexual life with girls. I remember that being just really weird considering Michael and I's whole sexual history. There's a weird pull because while at the same time, I mean I still loved him deeply. Maybe one day I was going to be the friend for him that he could have a real honest, vulnerable conversation with the one person that he could really be real with. My name is Laura Primaq and I'm James' wife. I grew up in the suburbs outside of Chicago. I went to college on the East Coast. I went to an art school in Rhode Island. And afterwards I thought before I settled back home, I should try the other coast. There was a dive bar very close to my apartment in Hollywood. And I would go there on an almost a nightly basis. One night a girlfriend of mine said she wanted to go there because she had a crush on a guy in the band, which was actually James. He was in a band called Skylab. The singer was British and the music was kind of like smashing pumpkins or radio heads. They were really fun to watch. They were really good performers. So I went to the bar to meet her and she ended up falling ill, didn't come. So when James' band was up at the bar buying drinks, I decided to go up and introduce myself. I mean, he looked the party, looked awesome. But the first thing he said when I told him I was there to see him because my friend thought he was cute was, I don't think you're talking about me. He seemed so wholeheartedly modest and humble and it just caught me off guard because that's not what I had experienced in Los Angeles so far. She was really sweet and she was very upbeat. She just turned out to be a great person. So I got lucky. I think the first night that I went to his house, it was late at night, he probably had a band practice. So maybe I got there at 11. But he had candies on the side of the bed and an intention that we were going to watch Harry Potter. I mean, that was his like, come on over, we'll have a date night thing. And I thought the fact that he had just bought me candies was adorable. So I think we moved in together about six months after we'd started dating. I think right around that time too, James had been taking art classes at a local art school and doing his homework in our office. And at that point we were growing, we needed more help. And our owner said, why don't you come in and work with us. So we went from dating to living together to living together and working together. So it got very intense, very quick when you combine all those things. It was a pretty traditional start. That's not to say that there weren't ups and downs, but from my perspective, they were the kinds of ups and downs that most relationships had. And the secrets will eat you up. It sucks life out of you. It just deteriorates you from the inside. Like a part of you is dead. It kind of took everything I had to function during the day to let other people see me as a functioning person. So it took a lot of effort to keep it together. And then I would go home and be a wreck. And it was hard, sure it was hard on my wife. You know, James had a lot of personality quirks. You know, he'd go through buts where he just wanted to stay in bed all weekend and watch TV or, you know, be a little bit more anti-social. But for me, especially because I know that I am, I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. You know, be a little bit more anti-social. But for me, especially because I know that I am a people person, I did a lot of these things I just assumed were what it's like when you're not a people person. I loved it. I mean, from my perspective, let's stay in and cuddle and watch movies and be in the dark and never leave the house. And then, you know, maybe after the first year, I was like, well, should we just go to Target and get groceries or do something? Later on, as it didn't really go away, you know, it could get a little bit more boring or confusing. I couldn't sleep and I would have just that panic attacks about things that shouldn't give me panic attacks. One of the weird things is not liking yourself and not knowing why. Like, I didn't know why I had these problems or felt these ways. Constant anxiety and then depression and not knowing why you're like that. When I was in my early 20s, I did a lot of substances to help deal with it. At the time, I didn't know that that's what I was doing. But then when I got off the substances and there was nothing to mask it, was when I was really noticed. But I was anxious all the time. How about helping you get up there? Oh, baby. It's pretty. My name is Amanda Robson and I'm Wade's wife. Wade and I met at a nightclub and I was working as a promoter there. My girlfriend and I were just like totally playing around on the dance floor, dancing very goofy. And Wade and his friends kind of jokingly called us out to do a little battle. Which I didn't know who Wade was at the time. This huge crowd began to form around us. And then Wade and his friends went into this full-on choreographed routine and made us look really ridiculous. My girlfriend that I was at the club with was like, do you know who that is? That's Wade Robson in St. Coriographer and you know, thought it was very cool. And I thought he was a total asshole. He was 19 and I was 22. On our first date, I remember him mentioning Michael Jackson was a huge part of why they came over from Australia. And that Michael was his teacher and role model. It was like, wow, that sounds really intense. That's what it sounded like to me. I had really started a whole new aspect of my adult life with Amanda. She'd been this incredible breath of fresh air to me. And her perspective on life, what life meant to her, what relationships meant to her was just so clear. I'm Ken Schemwell, under Sheriff's Santa Barbara County. In June of 2003, the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department received information that a 13-year-old boy was a possible victim of Lodax. The allegation claimed that entertainer Michael Jackson had engaged in these activities with the victim while I guessed at the Neverland Ranch. This morning, investigators affected the service of a search warrant as a part of an investigation. Our arrest warrant for Mr. Jackson has been issued on multiple counts of child molestation. Boom, there's these new allegations. And all of this craziness unfolds. I mean, that I see via the news. Good day, everyone. Popstar Michael Jackson is now under arrest and at this hour is in the custody of the Santa Barbara California Sheriff's Department. Michael, in handcuffs, was painful to see. When Michael Jackson was arrested, his mugshot was taken. He was fingerprinted. He gave up his passport and he was released on $3 million bond. His lawyer called the charges that could send Jackson away to prison for years. A big lie. If anybody doesn't think based upon what's happened so far, that the true motivation of these charges and these allegations is anything but money and the seeking of money than they're living in their own Neverland. Jackson faces nine charges total seven for committing a loood act on a child under 14 and two for giving the child an intoxicating agent for the purpose of molestation. We will land on you like a ton of bricks. We will land on you like a hammer. If you do anything to besmirch this man's reputation, we will unleash a legal torrent like you've never seen. Michael called and I hadn't talked to him in a really long time and I had known of the trial so I kind of saw the pattern from before. I happened again. He called my parents and tried to convince them to testify for him and get involved. My dad was very much way back to let's protect Michael. Michael could do no wrong in my husband's eyes. He felt what Michael did for the world made the world happy. All his songs about peace and love in the world. That's how my husband saw Michael. The songs he sang. And he truly believed it. I absolutely didn't believe the first time. It was wrong. It was the father's greed. And then the second time I started to question it in my head. The accuser is reportedly a 12 year old boy befriended by Jackson. The child is described in reports as having met Jackson through a charity that grants wishes for ill children. We didn't know this boy at all. It was during a period where we really didn't have much to do with Michael. Once again I thought this is a kid who was suffering from cancer and I thought defending Michael. This is just another case where Michael's probably paying for all his medical bills. And these people are taking advantage of it. That information about Gavin's mother. She had been arrested for shoplifting and she had blamed the security people. It was a big thing about that. They spent information against the parents. I believed it all. He said that he wanted to show you how to be a master pick. I said no. He said he did for me. Okay. And did he do for you? Do we have Kevin? It's fine. Do you put it on the outside? Inside? And what do you do next? He started to mess with me. Okay. So what I thought I didn't want to do did he stop until I'm not in each other. In the time that I was with Wade, he didn't hear from Michael a whole lot. Michael, all of a sudden, started to... was starting to communicate with Wade a whole bunch and reaching out to him. But it was like every day. The first conversation after he was arrested was like a continuation, like picking right back up from the phone conversations when I was 11. And the Jordy Chandler investigation was going on. Here they are again trying to take me down these evil people. I would like to thank the fans around the world. I would like to thank the fans around the world for your love and your support from every corner of the earth. My family has been very supportive. My brother Randy has been incredible. I want to thank the community of Santa Maria. I want you to know that I love the community of Santa Maria very much. It's my community. I love the people. I will always love the people. My children were born in this community. My home is in this community. I will always love this community from the bottom of my heart. That's why I moved here. Thank you very much. So I was 21 or 22 at this point. And I really did not want to go through this again. I did not want to testify. So at some point I worked up the courage to tell Michael that I don't want to testify. I remember silence on the phone for a while. He said, you know, I understand. I understand it's really hard and it's tough to go through this with all of the media and everything. But we can't let them do this to us. We can't let them take us down. Us, us, us. I was kind of breaking like having a nervous breakdown. And I didn't want to be involved. And so I told my mom that he wasn't a good person. And that I don't want them involved. So that was tough. Jimmy was over and he said to me, Michael's an evil man. And I just said, okay. And I stood up and I hugged him. And do you want to go to, do you want to go get help? Oh, no, no mom. And you can't tell anybody you can't. He was so afraid that I would tell somebody super scared like, like nervous breakdown scared. It was a begging sort of you can't tell anybody. I promise that I promise I won't tell anybody. And I felt that I had fucked up so much the first time that I wasn't the mother that it should have been guarding him that he's come to me with his truth that's killing him right now. I wasn't going to tell anybody I could do I could be there for him now. I didn't talk with her really about it. I couldn't talk about it. I just said enough to like not get them involved. And she never pushed. For once in his life, Michael Jackson was not the center of attention, even though this has been a crucial day in his trial. The focus instead was on the defensive first celebrity witness, the actor McCauley-Culkin. The prosecution had suggested that in the early 1990s he was one of a number of young boys who have been sexually abused by Jackson. We actually waited to ask me not to testify. That's how it started. He came to me and said, I do not want you to testify this time. I'm not going to either. And so I just, you know, I don't want to go through all that again. I've had enough. I said, OK, I'm going to ask you as an adult now. He was 21 at this point. I said, I haven't asked you this for many, many years since you were a child. I'm going to ask you one more time as an adult. Did Michael ever do anything inappropriate with you? And he once again looked me in the eye and said, no, he never did. I said, so I said, I think you need to testify. This is your friend. And I said, I think at this point you and McCauley-Culkin are probably the only two people in the world who can save him. And if Michael goes to prison, he won't survive prison. You know that. Like I would have dreams and of Michael being in jail and being killed in jail or dying in jail. I mean, just like those two things, Michael Jackson and jail just did not go together for me. I mean, I still loved him deeply, you know? McCauley-Culkin almost single-handedly devastated and shook the foundation of the prosecution's pattern evidence against Michael Jackson. Certainly, if the jury believes Culkin, it will be a significant boost for the defense. And he asked me to testify. And I said, no. I didn't got really angry at me. And he threatened me. I'd never seen him this angry. He was like, more like, okay, you're enemy now. He threatened me with his lawyers and said that I had perjured myself years ago and that he was the best lawyers in the world. That they were going to get me. And I just said, I don't want any part of it. You'll hear nothing from me. You know, don't worry. I was just trying to calm him down to get him off the phone. The last time I talked to him was near the end of the trial. And he tried again to, he wanted me to testify. And he went into a spill about, I'm sorry, I haven't been there for you, like, for directing and all that stuff. Let's do something. I know I haven't been there. And I cut the conversation short. I just said, you know, just don't call again. And I hung up. And that was last time I spoke to him. Michael, he had been reminding Wade, you know, how Wade could support him and how much he loved him. He wanted to talk to me, saying, you know, how much he cared about me and how happy I was in Wade's life. And suddenly having a lot of interest in Wade's life and how he was doing. And that felt really good to Wade. And then within a week or so after that, I received a subpoena to testify. And I was just praying for him and I was crying for him. Reportedly the grand jury will hear testimony from Jackson's now 14 year old accuser, and it has also been reported that testimony will be heard from Jackson's 1993 molestation case, which was settled out of court. I remember asking Wade, nothing happened to you, right? Like you were never, like he never did anything to you, did he? Just, I just needed to just put it out there and he assured me, no, no, never. And I believed him. The idea of this truth coming out and Amanda knowing about it and my family knowing about it and everybody in the entertainment business in my career knowing about it. I mean, it was just a ridiculous idea that was never going to happen in my mind because my whole life would be over. If I questioned Michael's perspective that he was telling me about Gavin, then I felt like I would break. Like I couldn't be strong, as strong as I needed to be. He was worried. We had had dinner the night before it never land and he was definitely subdued. So we were at the ranch with all his family. Michael didn't look well. He looked very sick. His kids were there, everybody was there. Like his mind was just in a whole other place. I remember all of us sitting at dinner and Paris, his daughter, just wanting her dad's attention, kind of like pulling on his arm and pulling on his fingers and daddy, daddy, daddy. And he was, I mean, he just, he wasn't there. I remember that just feeling really sad. What if he loses? What if he goes to jail? You know, and these are the last couple of times that they see their daddy, you know? Which built my conviction even that much more to save him. I think that definitely helped way to go into the, you know, courtroom feeling, you know, that he wanted to support my goal and feeling good about that. To me, it was like here was his, you know, lifelong friend that just really needed him. Looking back, it's horrifying to think about, you know, the, what that experience really represented, four-wayed. Love is so powerful. And I remember how, white he looked, and his face was really thin, drawn out. He looked like a statue. Lifeless. I testified, which was hard. I mean, I think for anybody being on the stand is just a scary scenario. Because you feel like people, lawyers and different people are attacking you, and they're saying different things. And, you know, you have this feeling of like, did I just put my friend in jail? I was up there for a couple of hours. The whole scenario was intense. Wade was up for a long time. You know, if this didn't go well for Michael, he was going to go to jail for the rest of his life. I was going to my grave with that truth of the sexual stuff that happened between Michael and I. There was no way in hell I was ever telling anybody in the universe. And that was period. Coriographer Wade Robson acknowledged sharing a bed with the singer many times when he was a child, but he denied ever being molested. Did Mr. Jackson ever molest you at any time? The defense lawyer asked? No, never. Wade Robson replied. That contradicts testimony from a former Michael Jackson maid, who said she'd seen the singer showering with the boy. We've seen a parade of witnesses saying, Michael Jackson's not a good guy. This is what I saw him do. If you can get one or two or three people on that stand, who say they were talking about me, it never happened. Very powerful. We the jury in the boving title case find the defendant not guilty of a nude act of funny minor child, count four verdict. Not guilty, count five verdict, not guilty. And there it is, all ten counts, not guilty, not all ten counts. Michael Jackson will be walking out of this courtroom of free mad. Michael Jackson is dead, not all ten counts. A jury of twelve decided the outcome of this trial. Using the standard of reasonable doubt, they rendered a verdict that was based on the facts and evidence within the guidelines of the law. We expected probably a better evidence, you know, something that was a little more convincing. We just couldn't abide the story of the mother for one. I disliked it intensely when she snapped her fingers at us. That's when I thought, don't snap your fingers at me, lady. I feel that Michael Jackson probably has molested boys. After some of the testimony was offered, I can't believe that this man could sleep in the same bedroom for 365 straight days. And not do something more than just watch television and eat popcorn. Yeah, like I can't imagine if I was Gavin, or if I was Jordy at that time, you know, no justice being served and not being believed by so many people. For Gavin, I wish I was at a place. Where I could tell the truth and be a comrade with him. You know, stopping Michael and stopping a lot of other kids from being abused. I just wasn't ready. I wasn't able when I was 11 and when I was 22. And I remember feeling happy for sure that he was acquitted. That he wasn't going to jail. I didn't believe or understand that the sexual stuff that happened between Michael and I was abused. I didn't feel like I was hurt by it. That it was anything bad that happened to me. At that point, it was... I loved Michael. Michael loved me. This was something that happened between us. That's it. But I still had absolutely no understanding that I was affected. Or any feeling that I was affected negatively. And other news could Michael Jackson be planning a comeback right here in Las Vegas? Lately, he's been hiding out overseas making no public appearances at all. Until that is, Christmas Eve when he suddenly showed up here at Caesar's Palace out of the blue and began doing holiday shopping with his kids. I was in Vegas for maybe about six months and I was choreographing a Cirque du Soleil show. And at that point, Michael was living in Vegas with his kids. I wanted him to come see the show and I asked him to write some words for the dancers in the show, some words of inspiration before opening night. And one of the things he kept asking as we were planning getting together was, make sure you're going to bring some wine. So this was a new dynamic, which I liked as well, because me trying to have this normal experience with him, like, wow, I'll be able to sit there with Michael and have a glass of wine and talk about real stuff. I'm Anna De Nye, you know, go to the grocery store and get hot dogs and all that kind of stuff. And a couple bottles of wine and go to the house. And so it's Michael and the three kids. You know, once we got in, one of the first things he asked was, is you bringing the wine? We had some of those sort of larger red plastic cups and he grabbed one of those and just filled one up to the brim, you know, with white wine and just chugged it down and then he kept going back and just filling it up. So I mean, this was my first experience of ever seeing him drink at all. It was nice and we would crack some jokes. There was still that feeling of kind of reminiscing about our relationship from the past. We watched a movie with the kids. He just kept drinking. And then at some point, we're getting kind of into the evening. Michael says, you know, I'm going to go upstairs for a second. 30 minutes goes by. An hour goes by. You know, nothing from Michael. He never comes back down. It's probably an hour and a half and we're just there with the kids and it's getting late now. It's like 10 or something like that. So Amanda and I are like, what do we, you know, what do we do? And I remember asking the kids like, like, do you want to go check on your dad? I mean, he's okay. And they were just sort of like, yeah, he's fine. Like it was something, it was nothing, it seemed like it was nothing out of the ordinary for them. And that was the last time I saw him. We're getting some breaking news coming into the situation right now. Why don't we pick it up, Dan? Apparently Michael Jackson suffered cardiac arrest this afternoon. He was rushed to UCLA Medical Center. CNN sources are now saying multiple sources that Michael Jackson is in a coma. You see the number of people that have already gathered outside the hospital. If that is an testament to the star power of Michael Jackson, I don't know what is. I was in my house. I was working on some choreography for a show. And I believe it was a friend of mine who texted me and said, turn on the news now. I think the first image I saw was the paramedics that were carrying Michael to the hospital. You know, Michael, it had some sort of cardiac arrest or something like that. And we're just getting this in right now. And it's very, very sad news that Jim Moray and to all of our viewers, both the Los Angeles Times and CBS News are both now reporting that Michael Jackson has died. CNN can now confirm from the L.A. corner that Michael Jackson is dead. Jackson appeared to have suffered from cardiac arrest. He was 50 years old. It's not like I just got a call from my friend's mother to tell me that my friend died. You know, you're watching it like on a newscast. You know, just a whole different way of finding out that somebody you know died. And I'm a mess. So much of my story, so much of my life has been him. You know, I've came to America like everything. And he's been such a big part of our life that all of a sudden just gone. I guess you'd call it being in shock. I mean, just being numb and not believing. I was at work and I think a friend of mine texted, said, I'm sorry, you know, it was like for what? And then I looked on the news and saw it and I was sad. My first reaction was being really sad. It's like we would never be friends again. I'd never know I'm again. I danced when I heard that he died. I was laying in bed. The news came on. I got out of bed. And I was, oh, thank God, he can't hurt any more children. Those were my thoughts. And I danced. He can't hurt any more children. How so happy he died. I had a jacket that Michael had given me. I cooled up in bed with the jacket for a week. I could not believe it. It was like it was losing a family member. We had loved him for a long time. We'd been friends for him for over 20 years. It was hard to accept. You know, you drive in the car and you hear their music and you cry. It's all around you all the time. You can't even agree for multiple days. You know, and you have beautiful moments where you remember beautiful memories of being at the ranch and all these great things. And remembering him as a beautiful person, but then also feeling really sad. I didn't know how to feel. I just kind of started going for walks around the neighborhood. And you know, people are trying to call me like crazy and get in contact with me and I don't want to talk to anybody. I don't want to talk to my mother. I don't want to talk to anyone. I remember him just sitting on curves and just being really incredibly emotional. A lot of, yeah, a lot of curling up and crying. And the press increase were kind of coming through my agents. And it got to the point where they finally said to me like, listen, you got to do a statement. So I remember going to a sort of park in Santa Monica to sit down and try and figure out what I wanted to say. It was extremely loving and grateful for Michael in my life and talking about, he's the reason I dance, the reason I make music and ending with, you know, I'll never stop missing him. But, you know, now he's something on the lines of, now he's blessing the heavens with a melody and a moonwalk. Something like that. He tried his heart to please everybody, to the sick, he don't eat so much money to the sick, he helped the blind, he helped everybody that needed help. And he was glad to do it. I've seen Michael help so many people and sometimes he would go and cry about it because he felt sorry for the people that he was helping. Michael had a lot of great attributes and he was great in a lot of ways. And you love them in a lot of ways. And then, you know, Michael does these things to you that are not healthy. But you still have love for him. So it's really hard to have those two feelings together. I still today am grappling with that. It is estimated that before it's over, this will be viewed by between 750 million to a billion people around the world. We were contacted to come to the funeral. You know, we went to the big funeral at the Staples Center. I mean, that was a surreal experience. I mean, not your average memorial or funeral. You know, musical performances and Michael's image up on the massive screen. You know, it first felt like, oh, this is a big hoopla, but it actually was really nice, respectful. You know, the fans, everybody were quiet. It actually felt like a ceremony. And it was very emotional for all of us that were there. Wade sobbed at the memorial service like I've never heard him sob. But he put his head in his hands and actually sobbed and sobbed. He didn't do that when his father died. That's the last time I remember crying about him being dead. And then, I went back to work. I mean, yeah. I went back to work full-pal. It was a new phase in my career and choreographing stage directing. Manda and I were married now. We were starting to work together a bit creatively. The phones were like, say yes, yes. You know, work gets work. Like, this is time to explode. This is what you've been working for. But he'd be in the adrenaline of a job. And it was always followed by lulls of depression. You know, I'm just a perfectionist. And I just was never really able to enjoy my work. It wasn't fun. And the more success I gained, the less fun it became. It was just more about pressure. And he went through this really dark, sort of sad, lonely depression in a way. I don't know what's going on. I think I'm going to have a heart attack or something. He was freaking out. He was so afraid that whatever decision he made was going to be the wrong one. I've got to stop. Like, I can't go through this and not figure out what's wrong. So we were all struggling trying to find out what all this was about. Amanda is so clear about how she felt about everything and could communicate it. And I just couldn't. I would be sad. I would get angry. And I would be sad. I would be sad. I would be sad. I would be sad. I would be sad. I would be sad. I would be sad. I would be sad. I would be sad. I would be sad. She would ask me what's wrong and I would just say, I don't know. We had been working a ton. Traveling a lot, doing lots of exciting work. I remember telling myself when I can't think of anything but becoming a mom, that will be the time that we think about a family. And COA arrived on this Earth November 10th, 2010. I just entered this state of absolute euphoria, thinking like this is the most important job I've ever had. Being a father. Coa's birth was directly aligned with Wade receiving his dream job opportunity. You know, Michael had always prophesized to Wade that he would be a film director, like Steven Spielberg Film Director, that that's what he was working towards. You know, so these are kind of two really incense life happenings at the same time. Becoming a father and getting my first gig as a future film director. The demands of the film started to become more apparent. It was a big budget film and there's a lot of people looking for answers from him in reference to story in reference to, you know, production and fatherhood was also on his plate. I stop being able to sleep at all, lying in bed for eight, nine hours staring at the walls. Stress and anxiety and fears beyond belief. It gets to the point where I'm barely operating. I move myself from the film, I remove myself from any work I disappeared from the world. You know, agents managers don't call me. I was barely talking to my family. Whatever was going on inside of him, it was relentless. I don't think time heals this one, it just gets worse. You can't talk to anybody about it. You don't get advice or perspective. You're stuck keeping a secret and then so you don't ever figure it out. You're just stuck. I could see he was having a rough time just with his body language. Do you want to go to psychiatrists? No, that was an absolute no. He just wouldn't talk. He wouldn't open up. Jimmy was different. It's fine for brief moments, but when you spend years like that and you don't sleep well, you kind of go crazy. When Killian was born, he had a little bit of a breakdown. And again, me being me, I thought, well, this most happened to dads when they have their first kid. It just makes people feel scared and I understood. I know I'm probably sounding incredibly naive, but some of the things he didn't do, I just distributed to this is our life. He sleeps an awful lot and so I'll stay up and I'll take care of the kids. He can't be around the friends and the schools the way I am, so I'll do that. It was sort of survival mode. I guess is a good way to put it. It was like this is our scenario and we love each other, so we're going to work around whatever this is. I think the abuse symptoms intensify when you have kids. It ramps up even more. And then you see how innocent kids are. I think having kids kind of shoves that in your face. He's getting closer to the age I was when I was abused. So that is difficult to deal with and see, watch him become you at that age. I found a therapist trying to figure out what the hell was wrong with me. I went through the story of my life and went through the story of my life with Michael, but just the good parts, just the creative inspiration and the work and friendship and all of that stuff. And I was saying things at this point like to Amanda, I don't know who I am. I don't know what I want. I don't know left from right. All I know is you and Koeh. That's all that makes any sense to me. It was so incredibly frightening because for him to just sit still, he was just terror. There was just terror in his eyes all the time. I would tell myself on our porch, just keep it together. It's going to be okay. He's going to be okay. We're going to figure this out. So at this point, Koeh is about a year and a half. I start to have these images of the kind of sexual stuff that happened between Michael and I, happening to Koeh. And seeing Michael doing it to Koeh, what he did to me. And my immediate emotional reaction to having those images is just this rage and disgust and violent feeling. I would kill anyone who did anything like that to Koeh. What I started thinking was, how can I have such clear feelings, negative, horrible feelings about the idea of that sexual stuff happening to Koeh. But when I think about Michael and I and all that sexual stuff going on, I don't feel anything. That's probably kind of weird. And I start thinking, if I'm going to go into therapy and try and really get to the bottom of whatever the hell is going on with me, I probably have to talk about this sexual stuff that went on. I go in for a session with Dr. Shaw, you know, all the stuff about all the allegations and like Michael Jackson, molesting kids and all that stuff. It was true, it happened to me. There were little things that we would try and do and look forward to. Dinners or something, you know, to try and put on a happy face and like look forward to something instead of like the dread and fear of our reality. Wade and Amanda were living in Santa Monica and food trucks were like the big thing in LA at the time. And I spoke with Erica, my wife on the phone as I'm driving there. And she says, I've got to tell you about a crazy dream I had last night. Wade had told her that Michael Jackson had abused him. She said it was so real. She woke up from the dream actually crying about it. My brother and Amanda go and walk towards the food trucks and we're waiting for some food and we're just chatting. And my brother comes out of nowhere and says, you know, my wife had this crazy dream. Like my first instinct when he said that was to crack a joke. And a joke that had sort of become kind of standard for me, which was, you know, yeah man, like I don't know. I mean, if it if it if it was true, I don't know why I wasn't sexy enough. Like what was wrong with me. And that was my instinct to kind of go right to that joke. But I just couldn't. I couldn't this time. That this was like just an hour and a half ago that I had told Dr. Shaw for the first time. So my head just dropped. And I just kind of I just looked up and said, it is true. And I'm looking at him. And I'm like, is he telling me a joke or something right now? And I'm like, what do you mean? All sorts of things are going through my head like the amount of years that, you know, he's defended this guy. I remember Amanda was on my left. And I remember physically she just so she just caved in like her like someone punched her in the chest. And my brother sort of had the opposite physical reaction like his chest kind of puffed out. He got he got angry his I think his first word was what? Is it real kind of like anger in his eyes? The that's like the world was kind of like spinning. And all I could see was the shantel was holding Kawa. So it's like a blur. And I just like honed in on Kawa and I like needed to hold him. And then they come over to me and as soon as they come to the table, Shane turns to me. And he says, wait, tell Sean tell what you just told us. My sister's always been the one in my life who's more emotional, like more, much more readily available. Where's her heart on her sleeve? I remember the looking her eyes, just staring at me and just tears, you know. I was heart and angry for a way. I was upset for myself and my relationship that I had and that I was really scared for my mom. I was afraid that my mom would commit suicide because it's not like it was uncommon for me. But I was afraid that my mom would do something to herself because of the shame of her not knowing her. You know. It's like this was the story that I had been telling all these years. The lies that I had been telling about, you know, and none of this sexual stuff ever happened. Not like that was that story. That version of the story was the whole foundation of my life and my sisters and my brother's life. I mean, like my whole life with Michael is the reason my family split apart and we moved to America. You know, like it's all wrapped up in that. And now it's like this whole, the whole foundation of this story was bullshit, you know. But there's a child. The fact that I needed to take care of him, whatever he needed next, got us home. I know it's like mine waits first time alone. And he's like, do you want to ask me anything? And I said, are you confused? Is there any confusion as to like what is like appropriate to how you love Kaua? And wait, it was like absolutely not. I had no knowledge of child sexual abuse or the psychological way it plays out into adulthood. You know, I was incredibly naive on the subject. So to me, you know, the fact that he had lied about it to me, I thought the repercussions must be something that affected, that he was scared of in relation to me or to us or his, I don't know. It's like I, I used to be the person that said, you know, oh, that person's after money or they're trying to bring Michael down. And he's famous and I was the person that said all that. And then now being on the other side of it, you know, now I understand why people are saying that to me. But at the same time, it's like, you know, I'm awake now. It's like I see the reality and I see the truth and I, you know, the pattern of what happened and that it happened to my brother. But I feel so bad for every little boy prior to that tried to talk and got shut up really fast. It's so hard to believe that he would do that to a little boy. Someone as beautiful and talented as way it was. It's just overwhelming to think that. It's really a lot of lives. A lot of lives. What began to happen was just this emotional like upheaval that was just all of these anger and sadness and, you know, back and forth all over the place. Unpredictable. I mean, just coming out of me constantly. After about two weeks after I first told Dr. Shaw, I told mom I wanted her to come into a therapy session with me. And I tell her why. I spent 30 minutes with the therapist first just to have a chat talk about things. So then after 30 minutes, we joined us and we sat together on the couch and he turned to me and said, Michael Jackson had abused him for my seven to 14. I was like being hit by a truck. I really didn't know. I remember her just tears streaming down her face instantly and this kind of collapse in her body. And she just kind of reached out to grab me and she, the first thing she said was, how could you not have told me? It's a very complicated question. You know, I couldn't answer that question. I held him and held him. We saw him together. And I said, well, I have to take some of the blame for this. I am your mother and I didn't protect you. And that's what he wanted to hear apparently. I couldn't really, I don't know, I couldn't really hug her yet. I mean, I just, very beginning for me and very confused about just my relationship with mom. I was angry at my mom. I was angry at my mom before that. I was angry at her breaking up the family to start with for this whole Michael Jackson nonsense. Like, I don't care who some guy is. How do you leave you? Seven year old, right? You're all cute. I just have sleepovers at their house. I mean, that's just fucking crazy. Like, as a parent, I don't understand how that is even possible. For five months after that, Amanda wouldn't allow me into their home. A way to know I would meet so that I could see her. We'd have to meet in a park. I was so hurt, I was so, I'd always had such a great relationship with Amanda and all my family. I've never had anything like this happen that was the hardest thing for me to deal with. And I thought she blamed me. Now I'm hearing stories about what was done to his young body with his mom close by in another room, me being a young mom, you know, and my just, you know, how could you ever let your young child sleep in a bed of a stranger? You know, I just couldn't comprehend it. I had a bed and I met. And he said this, things that he needed to say to me. He told me that he felt no emotion for me. That's mother that's like, the last thing you want to hear from your child. He said he had no feelings for me. I remember asking her, like, how did you not know? You know, and she just kept saying, I don't know. I don't know how I didn't know. You don't think that I wish I knew, you know, that I wish I didn't see this, you know? But it has changed and affected everyone's lives, my family's life, the anger from my family in Australia. And the anger from my family towards my mother, like, it goes so deep. She did everything she could. She turned her life upside down, even a marriage. She turned everything upside down because of Michael. It's not easy to accept even at this stage. The abuse was a bomb that dropped in our life and exploded. Like, you know, and ripped apart everything that we found sound and secure and safe. Of course I want James to be happy and feel bette