The New JFK Show #266 Joe Rogan JFK

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Welcome everyone to the new JFK show number 266. We've got a document that has been released by the Biden administration. If you can believe that and we're going to talk about that a little bit and also we're going to cover a Joe Rogan Oliver Stone interview and see how Oliver is doing on probably the one of the most widely subscribed to or listened to shows out there. It's I think 12 million viewers a day to an interview. Oh yeah, it's the most popular podcast on the internet. And so he's got a big platform so we got to see if they're telling the truth on this big point. So we're going to give Oliver Stone almost 15 minutes, not even 15 minutes. That must be a big thing, huh? Yeah. So we're back to our hourglass, by the way. Very good. Very good. That's our signature. Yeah. But I get the impression Oliver is performing a role of an apologist for Lyndon Johnson and then suggesting Lyndon was just in a difficult spot and had to manage to benefit the world without bringing about a war. I mean, Larry, it sounds like an adulterated poppycock. He hightails, he, he hightails it away from the Hobie J like you will not believe like a bad out of hell. So you want to do that first and then you must, he must have been threatened. We'll talk about it Gary. Go ahead show us this interview. Okay. Here we go. All right. We move us over. We'll go to full screen. And here we go. The general can experience the community of people that are obsessed with the JFK. Thank God. It's pretty good. It's amazing. I want to nut cases too out there, but those serious people are really good and they're the ones that kept this case alive. What's the thing that a conspiracy theorist really looks to? I don't use that word. I think true. You're as much as I want. I have to stop just for a second. The very first thing I don't, he says, man, there's some great JFK researchers. A lot of nut cases out there too. And I wonder just who is he talking about? I think that's a great question. I was struck by it already, you know. And Rogan's already introducing the term conspiracy theorist and all of us saying he doesn't like that term. He prefers to say what true tellers? Yes. I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but I mean, YouTube put a disclaimer upon this video directing anybody who really wanted to know about the JFK assassination to the Wikipedia garbage. You know, like what I'm saying, yeah, the official narrative, the soft soap war in commission. Right. Right. And it's posted on this video on YouTube and interesting that a lot of the comments of people below that addressed that. So that's pretty interesting. It is. Yeah, I want you to say about a lot of nut cases out there. All right. So I know it. And who is he talking about? You and me and Larry. You know, I'm a pretty perceptive person, you know, and I just get a feeling about that. All right. That's why I'm playing it again. That's what the JFK has to say. It's pretty�. It's amazing. A lot of nut cases too out there, but those serious people are really good. And they're the ones that kept this case alive. Well, it's a thing that a conspiracy theorist really looks to. I don't use that word. I think true secrets much more. Okay. So that's that word, but someone who's interested in uncovering the truth about this assassination. The type of person has that mindset that's interested in uncovering the truth about any historical. That's correct. This is one of the best ones because there's a story and does. Yes, there's significant evidence and there's significant evidence that there is a conspiracy significant significance. I would say it from the beginning, there was yes. We have a shot from the rear and a shot from the house. Well, that was going to get into that. So when you detail. Fellows, I'd like to ask you a question real quick. Do you feel that there's significant evidence of a conspiracy in this J of K assassination? No, not at all. No, that's being asked as a serious question. I mean, how stupid is that? No, no, no. I mean, that big blow out of the back of the head when all the shots were supposed to have been from above and behind. You mean, is that what you mean? Well, you know, it seems like there's a good possibility that it couldn't be a conspiracy at foot here, you know? So, oh, you mean to cover up? You mean to cover it up? Now, I just mean it's facetious right now. You know, so here we go. Okay. Starcastic. Yeah. Abriently in this documentary, all of the people that were involved in manipulating evidence, whether it's autopsy photos, whether it's the evidence about the actual shots where they were fired from, the impact, like where the exit wounds was, all these various people that were involved, how many people knew what had actually happened? Because it seems like there was a concentration of people that was not small. And one of the things that people who like to use the pejorative term conspiracy theorists, they always want to point to people can't keep a secret. Well, the fuck they can't. They had to. It's a giant maze. It's so confusing. Yes. And that no one would be believed to think right there. One part, think of it as a department of this, as departments of this, somebody pops up and says, I know this. So he disappears and remains. It's another piece of information. Yeah. I attempt by government to follow up on this at all. They dismissed. They had the HSEA in 1978, right? That came about because of pressure. And a lot of that was classified still and disappeared for a while. We got it out. All that stuff. They decided that there was a probable conspiracy based on the acoustic evidence of the motorcycles. But we don't want to go into that because that's a whole other story. Acoustic evidence? Acoustic sound from the rear. Acoustic from the front. Yes. Oh, the shots, the shots, the physical evidence of the impact on the body is way more important. And way more obvious that first of all, the establishment of the magic bullet was one of the most preposterous things that the United States public has ever accepted. And I think we did a great service by driving a stake through that heart of that vampire because it's been around forever. Well, you detailed in so many different ways too. You detailed all the various ways that they had tried to establish it. Once they found the wound in the back, they tried to, it's not confusing. First of all, the magic bullet, there's no chain of custody on it. The FBI lied and we proved it in the film. Yes, he did. Because the times don't match when it was given. So the FBI down and out lied. Now Hoover, of course, never believed, you know, believed one had to believe, wanted to believe that Oswald did it alone. He had to because they put themselves in a stray jacket. They said three shots. There were not three shots. It was probably four or five shots. Four or five shots. He was a perfect, yeah, more like 11 to 13 something like that. And it's wild anyway. Yeah, this is ridiculous. And this guy supposed to be an expert on JFK expert enough to make two fucking movies about it. Yeah. All right. What you got to say, Larry? No, I'm just checking it out. You know, taking notes. You know, it's okay. Here we go. He reasonable, young man. He was in the corridor. Oh, wait. Also that Hoover was in a bind here. You know, he had a, you know, that was a little, a little difficult to take. Being yelled at and he said, I need a lawyer. I'm a passing. Yes. Yes. You know, the guy didn't behave like he was proud of what he had done. No, this is what he, they said he was a communist assassin. They had this background of visiting Russia. Of course, we found out. We found out the community found out that it wasn't. Everything didn't meet the eye. It was all other story going on. What about the, the world had been an associated with the CIA? Yes. The child. Would he have been watched by the CIA for four years? That we know without a doubt now because of what we declassified. Angleton, James Angleton, encounter. FBI. Had a file on Oswald since before Russia. They knew him. They knew what he was doing up until the week. Well, apparently they just, they disappeared his flash warning about a week. Before the assassination, which means to say, you don't need to check Oswald. If you are a secret service, you see him somewhere on a parade route. You'd have to clear out those type of people. They get this secret service is very aware of the people who have backgrounds who could be dangerous. They took that off the signal on Oswald. The other thing is that Oswald was working both sides clearly that he was working with a pro-castro and the anti-war movement. But they, but they say I set up both. Yes. They're not the pro and the pro. So it's very clear that they were, they were well aware of him dip him in the Cuban poison, sheep dip him, make him look like a commie who loves Castro. That was the intention, I believe. I believe that the CIA was so upset about these two near invasions of Cuba that they, this was a chance by killing Kennedy to get the United States to move against Castro. And this is what Johnson, this is where Johnson is not, you can't blame Johnson because he felt that there was his pressure right away. And he said to the Warren commission guys, he says, look, there's a lot of pressure to point the finger at Russia and China and Russia and Cuba. We don't want to do that because we're going to have a nuclear war if we do that. Like 40 million people are going to be dying. That's what he told Warren. Warren was white, you know, in those days it was very serious. 40 million people, my God, he had all the weight of the country on his shoulders. And that's why he accepted this lousy job as the chief commissioner. So Johnson used that story, but Johnson believed, I think he believed it. I think he believed, I think he believed in some way. I'm not sure. He, let me put something this very important. Marvin Watson was his aide to Johnson in 1970, in 1970, in 1970, his church made it. He testified that Johnson, all right. I was going to say that 40 million people for Curtis, Lamey would have been like collateral damage, you know, you know, what the hell? That. This is so pathetic. This is so superficial. It's insulting that this should be coming from this man. I'm just embarrassed. Didn't you know that Lyndon Johnson was a hero? He kept us out of 40 million people. You know, and Jay, not a single, not a single word. It's said about LBJ and his involvement in all this gym, you know, I'm sure you would have a couple of words to say about that. This is just embarrassingly bad. And this is effing all of her stoned. And we're wasting time, precious time on the show with this. Wow. We have to do our duty fellows, you know, it's not. I just, I just wanted confirmation inside into all of her stoned and he's thinking about this, which is very revealing. Maybe he's taken it like one step at a time, you know, like little by little. He just said, you know, we're all starting with the HSEA and yet the documents, you know, we're all, I mean, we're still. Yeah, and every 10 or 15 years and put out another movie that takes us a micro. He's a cluster doesn't truth. I mean, this is ridiculous Larry. Yeah. Not only that, there was no one more up to the eyeballs than Jay Edgar Hoover. And he's making like, he's having to make a few decisions here. He didn't want to think Oswald was, you know, you get it fellows. If you judge by what he's saying, this man is incompetent to be making movies about the assassination of JFK, you think his time is way, way is gone. Long time ago. Oh, oh, way, way. His high water mark was JFK and, you know, going further as he's doing here now is just a discrediting himself massively, massively. Well, he brought everything so far as far as the mainstream media that we were so impressed. It was like we were happy with that. But we were ready for more after 30 years now and all this research that we've done is amazing. He read the IGE report that we talked about earlier, which said that, which said that there were no assassination. President Kennedy or Robert had never approved authorized any presidential, any assassination attempt on cancer, right? He read that report and he told Watson, he's going to Watson. He said, I now believe it's the CIA was probably involved in the assassination. That's when he said, wow, in 67 way, read the report. It comes out in the church from England, which is classified, disappeared for some reason. We find it again because of this ARB. So he was probably left in the dark as well. I do believe so. I think he's definitely involved in the cover up because he doesn't want to have a war in it. But he changes the whole policy of Kennedy right away. We have that declassified call between him and Robert McNamur. What does Johnson say in that call? Do you remember it's in the film? He says, I always never in agreement with you and President about withdrawing from you. Now, I thought you were wrong. He says that proudly because he's going in. Right. Why he wants to go into Vietnam and not Cuba, you know, is another issue. But think about that. Just think about the implications. Johnson is moving towards war in Vietnam. And how deep in that he, I mean, he was looking to do something to weaken the grip of the CIA, not just get rid of those three guys, but he also wanted to diminish the CIA's influence on him. It wasn't his only thought. He had a hundred things to deal with. That's the problem, right? And what's it? Neumian office. Well, yeah, by 16. He said statements about the generals. He said, you know, they're not worth a bucket of piss or whatever it was. You know, they're not generals think they know everything. They always want to go to war. They want to, they want the parades, but they don't want the casualties. They don't want resulting. And that's true for the United States. We go to war with a lot of a lot of hoopla and we come out and we leave our people. Can we leave our people? Who's not? Who's not? Who's not? You know, the. Good luck, Larry. He is still with this obsession with Vietnam and wanting to tie it into the JFK thing, which is like I said before, okay, to a certain degree, all right? He always reverts back to the Vietnam thing and the Vietnam thing and the Vietnam thing. And I think it dilutes, you know, his. His thesis presentation, you know, Jim, I don't know what you guys think about this, you know, always coming back. This is coming back. This is all just like always going back to platoon. It's like he's always going back to platoon. You know what I mean? This is paper tissue thin. This is just embarrassingly bad. There's no substance here whatsoever. All right. Here we go. Either. Let's get it over with. Veterans hospitals with limbs blown off. It's not fun. War and we treat it like I think the United States has never experienced the war. That's I think that's a problem on our shores. Yeah. Yeah. And when we do we're shocked. So we have a distorted perception of war is think the Russians are much more realistic because every Russian is really related to somebody who was killed in World War 2. Right. Well, it's in their hearts. It's seared in. And, you know, I don't I can't speak for the Chinese, but they lost like a couple of million men in Korea. You know, so they must have been some lot of family pain there. Have you ever tried to calculate how many people were involved in the cover up of the assassination? Because we know when you break down all the the various people that you document, everyone from Arlen Specter to everyone that's on the Warren Commission's report, this it's very clear that those folks had to know that what they were doing was bullshit. From what you said about the FBI chain of custody for the magic bullet, the alteration of the autopsy photos and the difference between the autopsy itself. Yes, the autopsy itself. The difference between the Dallas autopsy and the way they looked at it, Bethesda, Maryland, it wasn't there was no Dallas autopsy. It was, it was, he did say that. Gotta get it to him. Yeah. Yeah. The tracheon to be an also there. There been. It won't. Yeah, go ahead there. Yeah. If Rose Earl Rose was there. Thank you. He would have done a superb botopsy on JFK. And there'd been none of this bullshit, which is why they had to steal the body and get the hell out of Dallas. That's right. Yeah. His head. Well, yeah, that comes out later. Yeah. Although some people didn't see it, but 40 people, what the ARB did, thank God, was to collect all the people who saw the mirror, because it won't. And it was huge. It was, we showed this film, in the film, we showed the 40 people who saw it. What's really crazy document in the film was the fact that it wasn't really his brain. That. Yeah, it was going to go to that. Yeah. Please, the brain that they had used as a piece of evidence that this was Kennedy's brain had clearly been in formaldehyde for at least two weeks. Yeah. Well, I'm so glad our documentary, and this is James D. Eugenio who wrote, you know, he's really the guy who reads everything remembers everything to all these years. And there's a million documents that we drove a stake through the magic bullet. That's clear. There's no chain of custody of the FBI law. He's looking at his nose. No matter of the autopsy that the brain. Well, I'm glad after all these years that we've got the single, the magic bullet put to rest, thanks to this new doctor. This is pathetic and insulting. It verges on the absurd. Is intact. There's a, and it was photographed as such. It was a clean, the whole area was still there. Whereas it's impossible because the brain was seen, you see, you see it spraying, sprayed out in the car when there's a proof of it. You see it. The nurses, Audrey Bell is talking about it's the, it's the, I can't remember the medical term, the way it's spilling out on the floor of Parkland. Yeah. And when they weigh the brain as they do in an autopsy, it comes out normal. Well, not just normal, but extra large, right? A little bit larger than average, like it's, it's impossible. And what's more important is Joe Rogan knows more about me of cave and all of her stone. What's up, St. John's? He's a street. He's a street. He's a street. There he is. Oh, one commission, all that stuff. They bring him back here or be brings him back. They show them the photos of, at least now have of the better national oncology. And since that's, I never photographed that. Right. And he took an up view of the brain. He never took a bath. You know, from below. Never thought of that. And that's very important. There's also some evidence that they had drawn her in to cover up the exiled. Yes. I know about the evidence, but definitely the photograph shows it's here and pulled in. Draw on hair. Stop it there. Stop it there. Draw on hair onto the, so ridiculous, Jim. It is, it is a matte insert. It is a technique, okay, that is very, very popular. You know, it's no big secret of what they did with the autopsy photographs. All right. And the backyard photos with Lee's face, you know, matte insert. That's the technique. You know, it doesn't go beyond that. Yeah, the way he said that. This guy's an amateur. This is embarrassing to listen to. Gary. It almost sounds like he's they folded, you know, the hair back over to cover it up. Because you understand what I'm saying? It makes it seem like that they, you know, took it and folded it back over just for the photo. But. And which is he talking about exactly? He's not talking about the HSCA is he? Apparently, I think he said the ones that the groting got his, this pause on. Well, the groting photographs are fake. I said that to his face. Right. Right. But I mean, the HSCA reconstituted the whole back of the head. I mean, there's not even a gap for the harbor fragment. I mean, it's so amateur. I know because yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, nowadays with Photoshop, we can do that in two seconds, you know, but back in the day. Yes. Back in the day, you had the superimposed. Okay. I'm back to have just to see what he said. I know about the evidence, but definitely the photograph shows that there had been pulled in. The shot is bizarre. It's bizarre shots. But so the autopsy is off. The brain is off. Photos are off. He's following his notes. You know, the Garrison trial revealed the, one of the autopsy's Peter Fink saying that he had an introvert. Peter Fink. Yeah. Yeah, he got that. Larry. Who would let him put his finger in the back hole. Right. He told them what to do. And they were very bullied. In fact, there was, can you imagine having doing an autopsy on the president and having 20 or 30 people looking at you from a gallery and they were telling him what he was able to do and not able to do. So the autopsy was being directed. Yeah, I showed that in the movie. Don't touch that. Right. Don't do that. He actually put his finger in the room. Have you ever heard of Peter Fink actually had the best. The wound with his finger. He was being all around Washington. Why didn't we, why wouldn't they call him in? Right. There's no desire. The predetermined ending that they wanted to achieve or result they wanted to achieve three bullets. Three bullets. One assassin. But this is what's crazy. It's like you've got to think, OK, wouldn't then you have at least those 30 people that are in the audience watching that autopsy. How? I mean, what did they know? I don't know that. Isn't that crazy? No, we have all 30 of them know that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't act alone. No, we don't know that. We don't know. Right. We don't know some of the. We don't know. Well, what does he say? We don't know if others were acting in addition to Lee Harvey Oswald. I mean, did this come out of the words of mouth of Oliver Stone? That's why I got the rewind button. It was all a random. It was, it was multiple shooters all at random that showed up at Dele Plaza, you know, and just blasted away at the same time. They just happened to be there to shoot at the same location at the same time. I mean, there was no my chance. All right, here we go. Alone. No, we don't know. We don't know. Right. I mean, we don't know some of them. But there's, there's obviously a directive. Well, there again, we don't know. I shouldn't say obviously a directive, but they're, they're doing something to influence the way this autopsy is being done. At least some of the people are giving direction, giving instruction, and you got to wonder, why would they do that? Like what motivation would they have? And less about new that they're, they need to achieve. You have the course of the Johnson fear, but it would get it become a hysteria. Russia or Cuba being accused of killing him, and it would be a situation. How pathetic is this? He got the mastermind behind the assassination being excused by Oliver Stone, because he was just in a desperate plight to avoid a world war. He was actually a hero according to Oliver. That's right. I see why you thought I was going to wrench over this. You got it right, Gary. Yeah, I knew that the LBJ self was going to get to, and I forgot about the J. Edgar Huber. He's kind of covering for him too. Excuse to cover up. Mm-hmm. Uh, you know, one interesting story. It's in the four hour version, not in this two hour version. That's coming out in the end of February. There's the four hour in the autopsy. Yeah, one of the kept me having telling you that's just the beginning. You seem like you're a believer. We have seen half of the whole thing, and there's two more hours to come. So you know what that means. So tell me what does it mean, Gary? That means that he's got to turn the ship around really quick. Are we're going to just give up on Oliver Stone? He's got two hours to three can turn it around. So yeah, well, that's finishes and then call it a day because I can't take any more of this. I mean, this is awful. And I only have like 58 seconds to go. Oh, no, go cover it. 40. Looks like he says there's cigar smoke blurring this thing. It was just cigar smoke smells. Covered it near and stuff. You don't smoke a cigar. I don't know what the autopsy is. He says, who's doing that? Find out. Tell me, point it out. He goes over to the gallery and guess who's smoking the fucking cigar? General Curtis Lamey, the figure from the strange love that Kubrick was satirized. And he says, can you point it out? Lamey simply looks at him. Blow smoke in his face. And the guy wrote, he was a technician. He just wanted to tell the truth. It walks back. Couldn't get him to put this cigar. Wow. That's pretty interesting. All right. Well, I got to say, Gary, I am ready to barf. So you got it. You got it exactly right. In fact, I think I'm going to go barf. So let's wrap this as a shorty, but awful, excruciating experience. Larry, what is your summary of all of her stone at this point in time? This man, we just heard speaking with Joe Rogan, what is your assessment of him as an expert on JFK? I think he should have stuck to the original script of JFK of the movie. And not even go anywhere else. He had a masterpiece in my opinion in 1991. And now, under the influence of others, he appears to be steered in a direction that is not really doing any good for the case. I think this is a disgrace. Gary, you're overall viewed. It was pretty disappointing. We're sitting here 50. How many years is it now? 58? Something like that. You know what they should be talking about nowadays with the new, they should be talking about the relationship of Rhesus Pena and Warren De Bruis in New Orleans. And how De Bruis went with Lee Oswald to Dallas before the assassination. And why Rhesus Pena's entire FBI almost, his entire file was destroyed right before the HSCA. And his HSCA interview testimony was repressed for until I believe the year 2000 and only in the release of 2017, which we have talked about so many times before. And I have to go back to Rhesus Pena and New Orleans and Warren De Bruis. And what happened there, as one of the keys to understanding what happened with Lee Oswald and this whole sheep dipping thing, it happened in New Orleans and as De Bruis and this guy Smith from Customs and Immigration and all these guys that were hanging around with Lee in restaurants and all over the place in New Orleans, that's the key to the whole case. Gary, go ahead. Habana Bar. Remember the Habana Bar? Yeah, I do. I'm going to go there next time I go to New Orleans, I'm going to go there and see if it's still there. See if they have the plaque where it says Lee Oswald sat here. So we'll find out. I want to leave the Ville Helm Ottoman to for next week. Or would you like to do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, look, I'm I'm I'm not feeling I'm so disheartened. I'm so disheartened by this. I couldn't bear for us to continue to discuss other issues. This is just a calamity in my opinion. Right. Well, we went. We got us a good half hour in. We'll just call it a shardy and next week, and we just quickly take the screen share. We're going to be talking about this man here. And there's a document that was released by Joe Biden. And we'll be just yeah, yeah, yeah, about Garrison. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good. Okay, good, good, good. We got something to look forward to. Garrison, he interviewed. I told you guys in Holland, he interviewed Garrison. And we have the transcript of that right here is one of the new releases and how Garrison went overseas, you know, trying to show. We went overseas. He didn't have to convince people over there. Right. But we got to see that for the next week show. We're going to give away the show. All right. No, no, no, but after mentioned, you know, because not only him, old men's, I mean, the Wilhelm, but also Joachim Jostin, the German guy who, my God, he practically solved the case within a year, you know, after it happened, you know, and even the FBI was, when it visited him to find out, you know, what his connections were, you know, where he had been able to, you know, publish a couple of books, you know, on, on Lea Oswald and the entire case, you know, without, he had not even setting a foot in Dallas, you know, at the time, he did it all, you know, long distance, you know, a very interesting guy. Joachim Jostin. Okay. All right. We're going to bring all that to you next week. We're going to call it early tonight. This is JFK 266. We'll see you next week. I think I'll stop recording. I think I did stop. Okay. Are you still recording? I'm trying to see if I am or not.