JIM FETZER "Truth vs. New$,Inc" (10-21-19) 2nd Hr Sandy hook book's snafu Kevin Barrett

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Welcome back to Prudence's news for October 21st, a very special edition of Prudence's news. And we're going to talk about the Sandy Hook right now. Special thing happened last week. Jim Gisley, Dawn here. Well, it's pretty stunning, but I jury awarded the Sandy father $450,000 for defamation by a local conspiracy theorist. That would be yours truly. Here is a daily mail from the UK. Father of Boykild in 2012 Sandy Hook School shooting awarded $450,000 defamation lawsuit against conspiracy theorists who wrote a book claiming the massacre never have when the court's assets distorted on multiple grounds. Something happened. Namely, it was a FEMA exercise presented as mass murder to promote fundamental, but the book wasn't authored. It was added that with 13 contributors, including six current retired VHD professors, or we established that the school had been closed by 2008 that there were no students there. And that was a FEMA drill temper about gun control where we even had the manual for the event, which was included in a panic state. Here's how the daily mail pitch it. James Fetzer must pay Leonard Bosner on Noah 6th, and Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut in 2012. Fetzer and Mike Palachek claimed in their book nobody died at Sandy Hook that had been staged by the federal government under the Obama administration for tighter gun restrictions. While you argue the fault suffered PTSD as a result of the conspiracy theory, the court heard voicemails from a woman saying Bosner was going to die. He told the harassment he'd received on line. Dan said cases about the right of victims to be free from defamation, free from amassment, and free from the intentional inflection of terror. Fetzer called the 450,000 damages amount of absurd and said he would appeal. The insist the decision was a mistake because he thinks the claims are true. Here's part of the story. A jury in Wisconsin is a word for in 50,000 of the father of a boy killed in the Sandy Hook shooting after he fired a defamation lawsuit. A judge at early enrooled Bosner was defying my statements in the book that claimed he fabricated copies of his son, Stetzer Tificet, which of course is Paul's and Rose Distortion, just as much as the idea that we wrote the book. We only said the death certificate was fabricated, not that he had been the party who had fabricated. In this last I think had a powerful influence on the jury and others who were ignorant to the facts of the case. Fetzer, a retired university of Minnesota, the Louis Professor now living in Wisconsin, in my college at co-wrote nobody died at Sandy Hook Falls. It was co-edited. Mike was a series editor. He contributed the name of the book and the profits, but I was responsible for the rest. Here I was on the stand during which I, under oath, explained that the alleged defamatory statements were although the court had ruled them to be defamatory, not defamatory because they were in fact true. That was the point, the judge dismissed the jury, chastised me, and some of the jury back and reported that after repeating my remarks, they must be stricken from the record. The father who want to be pictured, for fear of threats, claimed he was defamed in force after an instances in the 2015 book. And on Fetzer's blog in 2018 where I was found guilty in three, how could he have begun to suffer PTSD in 2014 from a blog published in 2018 or even a book published in 2015? A rather L.O. Mike that got lost in the mix. The 2018 was from the Sandy Hook Memorand and the series for the President of the United States, edited by Robert David Steele, by the way. Posner admitted he said a lot of ugly things after he felt pressured to post his son's death certificate on Facebook site. Said up in Noah's memory, it was an attempted offender's son, but this is just silly. Evolunteer did after having a hundred hours of conversation with Kelly Watte, during which he told him over and over. She didn't believe a word he said. She thought he was lying. He didn't have a son. She has to approve. And he eventually decided to put up a death certificate about which more shall be said when it was his voluntary act, where we published a very death certificate he shared with Kelly Watte in 2014. Posner claimed he'd been aroused online and be a telephone over the conspiracy by a woman named Lucy Richards, with whom I have had no contact. Father said his two daughters were with him at the time appearing in the messages. He was concerned for their safety. A forensic psychiatrist said they conspiracy theories contributed to his PTSD. And Vector's claims in particular where he part of why he's still suffering. Just to appreciate the absurdity, the psycho, the recovery from the death of his son during the mass shooting in 2012, but from a few words suggesting that the death certificates were fabricated from that he could never recover absurdity of absurdity. Not for the denial of the death of his son, the harassment and threats he would have healed and would have had a relatively normal life several years ago and he wouldn't continue to have post-traumatic stress disorder, Dr. Loveitt testified on the pro bono basis for the plaintiff. The doctor was basing his report on hearsay from the attorney's Zimmerman and from Posner that I had a raster that I had put him, I had put him calls with him that I denied the existence of his son and that I said he fake the death certificate none of which were true. It was a complete absurdity. Vector called the damage amount absurd and said he would appeal. He still insists it claims made in the book now removed by Amazon or true. He has now made the book available to read for free on online. Anyone who doesn't know just put in the title nobody died at Sandy Hook PDF. Nobody died at Sandy Hook PDF and you can download it for free. Posner thanked the jury for recognizing that pain in terror. Get that terror. That Mr. Factor has purposely inflicted on me and other victims of the report. I have been doing a scholarly book and bringing together a bunch of experts to analyze what did and did not have and constitute the infliction of terror. That is bewildering. Mr. Factor has the right to believe that Sandy Hook never has. He has the right to express his ignorance. This award however illustrates a difference between the right of people like Mr. Factor to be wrong and the right of victims like myself and my child to be free from defamation, free from harassment and free from the intentional inflection of terror or. Here is from the actual complaint. Look at paragraph 17. These are the sentences that are supposed to be the inflection of terror or the second edition of nobody died at Sandy Hook. It gives the point of a issuing end or possessing a forged copy of MP's death certificate oddly they referred to it signed by his initials. In particular page 183 it was actually 181 if nobody died at Sandy Hook states. No imposters death certificate is a fake which we have proven on one or more a dozen or more grounds. On another page Mr. Posner sent her a Kelly wanted death certificate which should have to be a fabrication on another page. As many Sandy Hook researchers are aware of the very document Posner circulated in 2014 with its inconsistent home response include digital manipulation was clearly a forgery. Paragraph 18 Mr. Factor's publication of this false accusation was not limited to the book but also in one or more blogs including the bonus memorandum series edited by Robert David Steele dated August 5th 2018 where defendant Fetcher made the following. It MP's death certificate turned out to be a fabrication with a bottom half of a real death certificate the top half of a mistake with no file number in the wrong estimate and time of death of 11 a.m. when officially the shooting to place between 935 and 940 that morning absolutely stunning stop stop. Well Jim of course you've revealed one of the false flag events that Barack Obama unleashed using contractors mercenaries whatever you want to call it after he reversed the Smith month act in the Smith month act was always a sacred firewall that we in the psychological operations community in Washington DC always filtered our products and operations through and I remember vividly many of the officers all we saying we can't do this we can't do that we can't do this because it but it could theoretically violate the Smith month act meaning undo influence over the American public influencing them in any capacity and Barack Obama drew a line through that and nullified it so he's now open the door for the American government to turn on its creator and engage in these horrific behavioral alteration you know modification plans including cops pouring blood on their arms pretending they've been shot including hiring fools who carry their firearms upside down by the magazine as we saw in Sandy Hook as you pointed out Jim the overwhelming evidence that you have accrued on the Sandy Hook Revolution and Kevin American know this too well is astounding if every American was in the jury and heard your whole testimony Jim on the whole presentation the overwhelming majority of Americans would say he's telling the truth and physically it makes perfect sense that this was a false flag and all of the evidence indicates this was a conspiracy by the police government personnel and this whole this whole group of people that have been photographed and all of this other stuff all of the overwhelming preponderance of the evidence indicates this is a fake story and false and needs to be completely investigated but I think by picking a fight with you Jim they will eventually lose I think given your material your personality and the witnesses such as myself and others who are gladly stand by your side and testify in any capacity that can be helpful I think this will go to the highest court of the land and you will be redeemed and proven proven one of the greatest revelators of truth since the history of language Jim okay time burns before I turn to Kevin let me just mention as you know although in my answer I explained I would offer two lines of the offense first all the evidence that demonstrated that Sandy Hook was in fact a FEMA exercise a mass casualty event involving children where no one had died or one of our contributors Paul Preston who was himself a school administrator had reached out to his contacts in the Obama administration Department of Education all of whom it confirmed him had been a drill that no children had been harmed and it was done to prevent gun control and second line of defense from which of course it would follow that any desertificance for the event having been a FEMA drill would have to be fabrications necessarily and then a second line of defense about the specific properties of the desertific judge precluded my entire first line of defense he would not allow me to introduce the evidence the Sandy Hook had been a FEMA exercise it was ruled out and we had to focus exclusively on the desertificance and that was I think a serious blow to my opportunity and one of the reasons why I've been so enthusiastic about entering this contest when the server gave me the suit she said she'd never seen anyone so happy to receive a lawsuit I believe it was an opportunity to get the truth all the evidence about Sandy Hook into the public record through a judicial process which was of course completely compromised by the judge's decision to preclude me from making those presentations to the court and therefore to the to the public by way of the judicial process Kevin we're going to have your masterful article next but I'd like your preliminary thoughts about what's been said so far here and now well I think you did get a raw deal Jim the it's kind of a double standard at work in that courtroom where the jury award to Posner was driven by a kind of a contextual look at the at at everything including the title of a book nobody died at Sandy Hook like theoretically it was all narrowed down to the death certificates that's the four statements that you were held you know to have you libeled him with we're all basically you were just saying that the death certificate was was fraudulent and those statements themselves seem didn't really have any connection to any harassment that he may have suffered to you know any reason why he would be even you know that so heard or upset about it right so instead though it seemed that the this larger context of your overall argument that nobody died that it was a female drill and so on and so forth your argument was present in being allowed to contribute to this notion that Posner had PTSD because of what you did but it was absent from you being able to explain why you thought it was true so so in other words the judge had basically set it up so that you couldn't defend yourself with the full truth defense in libel which is to explain why you thought at the time and in fact now still think that these things are true you were given no opportunity to present that defense and still the this narrowing it down to the death certificate issue which got you forced you to move away from presenting a defense it's still allowed the plaintiff to use this larger contextual picture albeit a very simplified some would say simplistic version of that picture to portray you as having caused a lot of damage to him so I it was obviously a very unbalanced courtroom and that's what offended me and that's what led me to write that article well I think your article is sensational yeah one thing about PTSD is that what parents lose the child had ever overcome PTSD and that's not just forever they'll never recover from that bully so it's it's not according to the argument it was presented by the psychiatrist he was already overcoming the loss of the death of his child but that which was only transient but the few words I wrote was going to cause permanent PTSD which was a manifest absurdity Kevin you've written this masterful article would you be so kind as to read it here I have the pages in sequence can you see it uh yeah the type face is a little small let's see if I can expand this uh no well I could probably do it but I'll have to peer okay how much of this article do you have me to read all of it I got it all here that's pretty long article okay okay okay the title is part one Tuesday at the trial just the facts the title is a legal winching of a truth secret oh yeah yeah yeah okay right the full title okay legal winching of a truth secret Jim Fetzer's Stalinist style show trial part one Tuesday at the trial just the facts Lenny Posner's defamation suit against Jim Fetzer concluded Tuesday October 15th day two of the penalty phase of the trial disclaimer I've been friends with Jim since 2006 no I don't always agree with him I respect his courage and sincerity it was an honor to have lunch with him I miss the most critical day of the trial yeah any comic oh no no don't we're going to it the whole article okay uh Posner won the first phase last June when the court determined that four Fetzer statements to ledging a fake death certificate for Noah Posner were defamatory then on September 13th Fetzer was found in contempt of court for sharing images of Posner's deposition Fetzer argues that he shared the images which the court had deemed confidential as part of his legal defense research Fetzer claims the images show that the Lenny Posner in the deposition is not the same person depicted in at least one some previously publicly circulated images of Lenny Posner Posner added for one million I'm sorry Posner asked for one million dollars in damages from Fetzer the jury's job was to determine an award amount which theoretically could range anywhere between zero and one million dollars after almost four hours of deliberation the jury returned a verdict of $450,000 in damages the penalty phase of the trial began Monday with opening arguments in a lengthy videotaped deposition of a forensic psychologist who asserted that Posner suffers from PTSD as a result of Fetzer's four defamatory statements the forensic psychologist who was presumably hired by Posner's legal team victimally supported Posner's narrative after suffering loss of his son Noah at Sandy Hook Posner says he experienced PTSD for more than a year only to have his recovery cut short and his symptoms exacerbated by his discovery that online Sandy Hook skeptics were claiming that the school shooting was a hoax in which nobody died since then Posner says he's been waging an online battle against Sandy Hook skeptics he calls them hoaxers which has kept him mired in PTSD much or most of the suffering he has experienced Posner suggests is the fault of Jim Fetzer whom Posner and his lawyers are casting as the kingpin and prime inspiration of the Sandy Hook skeptics movement that's a fair bit of just reading Jim should we maybe discuss this uh no no no I want it all to have an episode what all rated if you're having no okay I'll I'll continue so Fetzer's Fetzer's legal team questioned the Fetzer caused my PTSD claimed while acknowledging that Posner would have suffered PTSD from the loss of his son in December 2012 they suggested that it was not entirely Fetzer's fault that Posner had been re-traumatizing himself by spending much of his time since 2014 combing the internet for material that he says traumatizes him and trying to get it removed Fetzer's team cross examination of the psychologist pointed out that normally PTSD sufferers avoid stimuli that re-awake in the trauma the afternoon session featured back-to-back testimony from Lenny Posner and Jim Fetzer both called to the stand and questioned by the plaintiffs that is Posner's lawyers in front of a huge adorable Noah Posner picture projected on the screen Lenny Posner recounted dropping off his son Noah at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14th 2012 he described seeing his son's body at the funeral a few days later he said that in 2014 he encountered the online claims of Sandy Hook skeptics and tried to engage with them in a cordial and transparent way but soon began to feel harassed and increasingly upset at their claims that his son Noah had never existed he said he has persistently tried to get such claims removed from the internet as a way of defending his son below are reconstructions from my notes on Posner's testimony the notes were cut short by a bailiff ordering me to shut down my laptop since I was not one of the two mainstream journalists who had been approved for electronic devices and so this these are notes from Lenny Posner's testimony you said that he said Noah was a twin to my youngest daughter last time I saw Noah would have been on the morning of December 14th I dropped my three kids off at the car line at the funeral his forehead was the only part that was not covered due to injuries and I could interject I think he described kissing his son's forehead I became aware of Mr. Fetzer in mid 2014 asked if he'd read Jim Fetzer's edited book nobody died at Sandy Hook Lenny Posner said no I hadn't I haven't read the book just the parts about me I mentioned that the book is 446 pages long the names of Noah Posner Lenny Posner occur on 14 pages only okay so Lenny Posner is still on the witness stand said I felt it set a lot of ugly things I wanted to defend my son I needed to be his voice and answering a question which I didn't get in my notes he said I'm concerned for my safety my family safety I'm concerned for my children's future how they could be treated I was concerned someone would do something something bad then he was asked why he thought the four to the defamatory statements had damaged his reputation and Lenny Posner said it causes people to believe I lied about my son's death but my son didn't die as how he'd been affected in terms of fearing contact with people he said I'm very cautious about what I reveal I never know how people might react people might accuse me of being this villain that Mr. Fetzer portrayed me to be asked whether he held Jim Fetzer responsible for the criminal acts of Lucy Richards who left obscene threatening messages on Posner's answering machine Posner said Lucy Richards was sentenced to prison for making death threats against me and then the question of why Fetzer was responsible Posner says it was the way she said what she said the way she would talked about Noah and about me she accused me of faking my son's death and hiding my son and that he's not really dead part of her sentence is she's not supposed to read Fetzer's website so after Lenny Posner's testimony Jim Fetzer was called to the stand by the plaintiffs lawyers as a hostile witness was questioned about his responsibility for the before allegedly defamatory statements all of which involved claims that the copy of Noah Posner's death certificate circulated by Lenny Posner in 2014 was inauthentic claims Fetzer's still argues were acting Fetzer said that he and in some cases collaborators including co-authors editors and publishers were indeed responsible for publishing those statements which were not defamatory but truthful. Dane County Circuit Judge Frank Remington immediately ordered the jury out of the room and admonished Fetzer that the court had already ruled that those statements were defamatory and that no further imputing the findings of the court would be tolerated. When the jury filed back into the courtroom Judge Remington ordered them to ignore Fetzer's statement. Towards late afternoon the defense decided not to call two witnesses Tony Mead and Kelly watched who had traveled from Florida to testify. Both sides offered closing arguments. Posner's attorneys made broad emotional appeals saying Posner had experienced pain and suffering you're losing his son and then having the wounds reopened by his battles with online Sandy Hook skeptics whose ideas they claim are derived from Fetzer's book and web postings. Fetzer's attorneys argued more narrowly on two issues. They've asked why the psychologist expert who diagnosed Posner with Fetzer induced PTSD did not estimate any monetary damages from that PTSD nor in fact did Posner or his legal team. No claims were made about the dollar value of any losses in earning ability Posner may or may not have suffered. There was no claim whatsoever of any loss of income or medical bills. Fetzer's team also argued that Posner's side had not presented any convincing evidence supporting the claim that Fetzer's defamatory statements about the death certificate had caused Lucy Richards or any other unstable Sandy Hook skeptic to Horace Posner. No evidence was presented that the Horaceors even read Fetzer's defamatory statements much less acted on them. Fetzer's lawyers reminded the jury to set aside their personal feelings and emotions. They shouldn't decide on the basis of whether they like or dislike Fetzer or agree or disagree with him. Damages are not supposed to be emotional or punitive, Fetzer's attorney said, but are only related to actual dollar value losses, which had not been demonstrated. The jury retired to consider their verdict a few hours later, well into the evening they ordered pizza. A few mainstream journalists, including a New York Times reported, remained in the courtroom to have weighed the verdict. The jury returned the verdict after about four hours of deliberation and awarded $450,000 to Lenny Posner. So that was my report based on our courtroom experience on Tuesday. Okay, part two, the opinion piece, assuming we're still allowed to have opinions. And let me just preface this by saying that the first part was it didn't really do justice to the problems, you know, the injustices that I saw there and both my wife and a friend of mine who were really outraged by this verdict told me that. And so I said, yeah, you're right. And so I went ahead and wrote up the second part. Tuesday was the final day of Jim Fetzer's defense against Lenny Posner's liable lawsuit. I attended and published it just the facts report that evening, republished with minor changes above. By the way, this is it uns.com. In almost the same moment I published my initial report, the jury came back with a verdict awarded close to half a million dollars to Lenny Jim Fetzer gave me PTSD Posner. Now it's time for an opinion piece. As much as I sympathize with Mr. Posner, assuming his account is accurate, my opinion is that Jim Fetzer got a raw deal and that the reverberations of this case will be disastrous unless it's overturned. The whole courtroom drama was carefully scripted and controlled to ensure that the jury, as well as onlookers and reporters, got to hear only one side of the story. Fetzer was never allowed to present his defense. Jim Fetzer's defense is simple. Truth is an absolute defense against liable. And Fetzer published statements alleged by Posner to be liable list because he believed them to be true. What's more, he still believes them to be true. Whether he's right, I do not know, but I do know that he's sincere in his beliefs. I watched Jim Fetzer take the stand, swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and then watched him silenced and admonished, and the jury hurriedly chased out of the room when he tried to speak the truth as he saw it. Jim merely said he still believed the liable list statements were true. Asserting the contrary would be alive, not saying anything would be alive by omission. So he was admonished and threatened by the court for the sin of not lying on the witness stand. How about that? As I understand it, at no point during the two phases of the trial, which Jim Fetzer ever allowed to present to a jury, the evidence that led him to believe that Sandy Hook was an Operation Gladio style siop, which those who've read Daniel Gensers' NATO Secret Army's know is entirely plausible. And that there was no actual school shooting, which does seem far fetched, but stranger things have happened. How could he present a truth defense without showing the evidence that led him to believe his allegedly liable statements were in fact truthful? According to the 7th Amendment of the Constitution, ensuits at common law where the value of the controversy shall exceed $20, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved. Yeah, as I understand it, perhaps someone can correct me in the comments if I'm wrong, Jim Fetzer was never given the right of trial by jury to determine whether he had or had not committed liable. Instead, and obviously by his judge presided over that crucial first phase of the trial denying Jim's constitutionally guaranteed right to a trial by jury. The same judge presented Jim from presenting his truth defense, which would have entailed, giving Jim full scope to present the evidence that led him to believe his statements were truthful and therefore not liable is. It was only in the second penalty phase of the trial that a jury was convened. And during that phase, not only was Jim prevented from presenting his truth defense to the jury, he was prevented from even mentioning it or from telling the truth about his beliefs. Meanwhile, the POSNAR team was allowed to engage in shameless emotional manipulation of the jury. They even projected a huge, adorable picture of Noah Poster on the screen as the backdrop for the crucial back-to-back testimony of Lenny Poster and Jim Fetzer. Jim Fetzer, of course, was not allowed to use the big screen to project images that raised questions about the official story of Sandy Hook, images that can be found in nobody died at Sandy Hook, but which were, along with all other evidence supporting Jim's truth defense, in essence, banned from the courtroom. That was simply an excellent problem. Your comments about Kevin's article and the situation. Well, we are in a civil war. The judges in these courts has proven itself to be completely inept and worse than inept. They are conspiring against justice against truth. There cannot be justice without truth. The halls of courts have turned into a mind-controlled bureaucracy of the deep state. In this case, Jim really represents the nexus, the climax of our challenge to preserve our freedoms of speech or our loss of them. And Kevin does an excellent job in his article. I support it and believe it and agree with it 100%. I agree with everything that you presented on Sandy Hook. And I passionately believe you will prevail in the court readings. I think it is a scandal and a crime against your constitutional rights to speak that they tried to silence you and Kevin picked up on a brilliant move by you being silent to a lie by omission is lying itself. And by your speaking up saying this is a lie, you are telling the absolute truth. And you have every right to say on your own, I'm acting on my own counsel. I also have counsel hired. I can have I can have myself as co counsel for my own defense. And I will make my own objections. I do not surrender my case and my truth to anyone. And because this is a fighting match. And this is an example of it. The jury in America, the jury in the courts are the only ones you can say we're hung. And to have a jury of 11 women and one man, if I'm not mistaken, is that what it was? Him all under the age of 30. That is the most disgusting thing I've ever heard in my life. You have totally grounds you put up a kangaroo court of 11 women who are going to tear out so sad in the poor little boy in the kids and you're saying, hold on, ladies, this is all a lie. They're doing this to me. Well, the other things guy, get a rebe remembrance. It's not it's not just that they were young and that they were overwhelmingly women. They're also from Madison, Wisconsin, which voted like 95% against Donald Trump, which has been conditioned by our media to hate and hate so-called conspiracy theories, which are held responsible for electing. So I think that's an important, you know, if Jim had his trail out here where I live near Lone Rock, Wisconsin, I think the outcome might have been different. And that's what we hope in the appeal that the jury was biased. You did not, you're in the very least, you're 2255, you're your prediction for a new trial. All of these things to be need to be brought up. But your here's the thing I would walk away with. This entire crime, this entire trial, this entire accusation against you is based on a lie and its fruit of the poisonous tree. They cannot have a court hearing in a judgment based on lies. And this is entirely based on lies. And that is the central argument of your appeal. This entire issue, this entire event, this entire statement by this man is all based on lies. And this court has no jurisdiction on the Constitution to issue a judgment based on lies. And I have the evidence that proves this entire thing is fabricated on lies. And therefore, this is fruit of the poisonous tree. That should be brought up. But this is a, this is a fighting match, Jim. And I would just encourage you to not surrender, not back down and not be polite and nice to these people. But to get loud and passionate because this is the soul of America is hanging in the balance for what happens to you. You represent all Americans in this. Jim, go ahead. Jim, now I've got no doubt about it. I have just begun to fight. But Kevin was observing about the jury is interesting because believe it or not during God's dear when they were questioned. None of them said they'd ever heard of Alex Jones. Isn't that something? Kevin? Right. Yeah. You definitely had the worst possible during the worst possible jurisdiction. And I'm sure Posner's legal team figured that out. They, you know, just as you were happy to get that deposition dragging you into court, I bet they were happy that they got into court in Madison. And you know, I know you were kind of surprised. A lot of people were surprised that let me positive actually showed up because there was a history of these kind of moves towards lawsuits and then never actually playing it out. So you thought that, you know, if you really stood strong, he probably would just collapse and fold as usual. And he didn't, perhaps his team was happy to have the chance to do this case in Madison with this kind of jury. But let me say here just to, you know, to make sure that this is clear that I'm agnostic about what didn't, didn't happen at Sandy Hook. I don't, I just haven't, you know, to me, it's, it's so complex. The possibility of all kinds of manufactured evidence of various kinds pointing in various directions seems to be very important. And, you know, I just interviewed Dave Geherry, who actually, he's sincere. He actually believes Lenny Posner lost his son. Now, he still had, sees the absurdities of some of the official purported official story and mainstream media reporting on Sandy Hook. And so he's not quite sure what to make of the whole event. But Dave spent, you know, eight or 10 hours in the presence of Lenny Posner came to believe quite sincerely. I'm convinced now that Lenny Posner was telling the truth. So I think it's the issue of the truth. And this is why it was so important, Jim. This is why it was so important that that courtroom should have allowed your truth to fence because now nobody satisfied. People on our side are totally unsatisfied. And people on the other side should be too because the way you got real-rooted made sure that this is not going to provide any closure. Lenny Posner shouldn't be satisfied if, if assuming that he's telling the truth the way Dave Geherry says, Lenny should be unhappy about this because the other side that he wants to win us over, right? This isn't going to win us over with a process to this biased. Dave and I have discussed this and he said, no one has asked him whether he thought that Noah Posner had died at Sandy Hook. My interest is, Kevin, if you pursued it with Dave, he doesn't believe Noah died at Sandy Hook. But he believes that Noah died independently and then it was presented as though he died at Sandy Hook. Just to leave you with a bidding, here is a debt certificate that Leonard Posner gave with Sherwood Kelly White that we published in the book. It has no file number. It has no time, town certification on the side. It has no state certification on the bottom. It has the wrong estimated time of death at 11 a.m. with a shooting officially took place between 9.30 and 9.40. Here is from the expert document examiner's report of Larry Wicks. And remember, I had two expert documents examiners who supported my position who not only concluded that the debt certificate I published in the book with a fabrication, but that three other debt certificates that had surfaced during the course of the proceeding were also fabrications, which a judge side has just opinions. Here is this document examination report by Larry or Wicks from Examiner Introduction. My name is Larry Wicks from I'm a computer printer scanner in network communications forensic expert curriculum VTI attached. The documents I usually evaluate for fabrication alteration and misreveration or financial contracts affidavits and exhibits entered with leading as the client Woon Rock books was referred to me by an attorney I have worked with on foreclosure cases. I did not expect to find multiple obviously altered versions of a child's debt certificate when I opened the email attachments provided for my initial examination. As an integral part of the written report it has been my practice to provide a condensed history of events that warranted the document examination. When I examine documents after an action has commenced it has been my practice to include type of action along with title and docket numbers in the introduction. At the time of drafting this report I did not know and given the content of the documents examinals chose not to inquire into the nature or even the venue of this action until after completing my examination. Here were his determinations. From my examination of the documents that were presented to me electronically and by US mail I make these determinations one. At the 136 kilobyte JPEG image certificate of death for no apostate rate 6 certificate of death one as examined is an altered and unreliable document image. No determination of herringinality or intentional act of forgery can be supported due to the multi-generational copy degradation of printed image and the low resolution of the captured image two. At the obviously altered achievement content 1.7 megabyte JPEG image certificate of death for no apostate age 6 certificate of death 2 is a forgery 3. At the state of Connecticut register of vital statistics has issued two different insertified as true version certificates of death 3 and 8 of state file number 2.207 078 033 of certificate of death for no as Samuel post grade 6.4 that reasons is closed and undisclosed the content of state file number 2.12 07 078 033 has been digitally and physically altered 5. That intent until such time as a state of Connecticut addresses and rectifies the conditions that allow this kind of record manipulation any true copy of a record file by the seal of state of Connecticut Department of Health should be considered suspect and treated as unreliable and of report. Here is that first death certificate the one that was shared with Kelly and with me. There's another that Dave Geherry obtained directly from Debbie Aralea that does not have what is otherwise a handwritten file number it's a different file number a partial printed file number it is a town registration but no state there's a third that has the handwritten file number the town registration and state registration and the changes to the death certificate made by the plaintiff Leonard Posner in 2013 to the address where the decision was living at the time of his death just to make an obvious point no one changes their residence after they are dead. We know that the death certificate in 2014 he'd already made that these changes in 2013 and therefore do that the death certificate he was sharing with Kelly what which we published in the book was not even an accurate version of the then current death certificate and just for those who are so naive as to know nothing about Sandy Hook even the FBI in its consolidated crime report for 2012 reported that in Newtown Connecticut under murder and non-negligent manslaughter the number of deaths was zero Sandy Hook is a subdivision of Newtown so the FBI in its consolidated crime report for 2012 for Sandy Hook and that is reported zero deaths not a sale, sale, not this case is so monstrous that his safety is so great it's utterly profound the extent to which the government has been scamming the American public Scott it is Jim it's it's something that the internet is the remedy for of course I think the increasing revelations that are being brought to the consciousness of Americans are going to increasingly claim fruit and I think you're going to see a new leadership begin to rise up in the country that are that are very educated and passionate and well-rounded in a lot of this material that is eventually going to break up the stranglehold on the information and on the consciousness and the narrative which has been used as a bridal in directing the American citizen Jim well we're seeing an onslaught of censorship and whether the internet will be the solution I don't know because the censorship is mainly targeting the internet and indeed Sandy Hook has been used as a weapon by the censors because they've taken this PR bonanza of the official story which is of course going to be the way it looks to the average person who isn't conversant with the issue it makes people feel all kinds of sympathy for Lenny Posner and the survivor of the guy you know his poor guy who lost his son in the school shooting horrible experience horribly traumatizing and then his story is he's been endlessly re-traumatized by this material and you know all kinds of nobody died theories whether we're saying that these are you know 9-11 people on the plains never really died or you know this sort of thing there are all sorts of these nobody died theories out there about various events and the huge public relations problem with them is that you know they the whole the the pushback against anybody questioning 9-11 even if they don't talk about those issues is always going to be you are disrespecting the victims and you are disrespecting the survivors this taps into the deep human unconscious it taps into the these deep roots of actually of human sacrifice as the as a kind of very basic pagan religious ritual which is the heart of all human culture according to the René Girard so they're very deep psychological reasons why telling people that they're insulting sacred victims of a sacred sacrifice is the ultimate way to shut them up and to get the whole community to turn against somebody and that's what they've done here they've used this to get most of the American community to turn against all so-called conspiracy theorists who according to the way they're casting it are insensitive louts who are dragging these poor parents who've lost their children through the mud and so this this is a horrific kind of public relations terrain to have to try to fight on and i really i think i think jim you made a mistake by choosing to fight on this terrain years ago and i told you that then and i'm still telling it to you now uh but i still even so as your friend and as a fair mind of the american who's shocked to see uh distorted proceedings in court i had to deplore the way those proceedings played out even though to me it was all entirely predictable well kiaman don't ignore the fact that the judge simply said as side the expert document examiner's and the reason you are completely wrong about your take here is the following if for example kelly watt and tomi needed testified if i'd actually had the opportunity to present a defense suppose that the ward had been 10 percent of what it actually was coming at 45 000 nobody would have cared but the fact that i had such a weak defense and didn't put on the witness and the word was so humongous has reignited interest in sandy hard it has become a focus at the attention of the world that it has never been before i am merely an instrument to seek to reveal the machinations of the deep state in the extent to which the american people have been detrauded by the fake news believe me this has captured the attention there over 300 comments on your article on that website the overwhelming majority are serious anyone who digs in and discovers that we have two document examiners it concluded that all four of the death certificates that had surfaced in this case were fabrication where fake were forgeries is going to understand the enormity of this scam this is the perfect illustration that drive home the corruption of the deep state that the judicial system has lost its integrity that the media is scamming the public and that those of us who have seeking to be present the truth that the american people are trying to protect them their interests and keep them from being subjects of fraud by means of theft by deception more than uh between uh 27 and 130 million dollars was contributed to the families that surviving families of the 26th sandy hook reported victims it distributed even events between one and five million dollars for having claimed to have lost a child at sandy floor winner boss and i'm certain it's going on to the internet and taking down all those videos and he's acknowledged under oath taking down more than one thousand five hundred and fifty five videos by sandy hook skeptics where everyone who realizes it was a scam recognizes all the death certificates have to be fabrications he's actually boasted of being responsible for taking down tens of thousands of content items from the internet he's seeking to protect himself he's acting in his self-interest because he doesn't want to be prosecuted for fraud to have to return the money and takes charges for theft by deception that's what's going on but which the jury the court the jury never heard because the court didn't allow me to explain what was in fact going on so on cbs this morning here you have that of sandy hook victims as he shamed big too white conspiracy theory he has big the question they're so stupid he said they shouldn't allow anyone to contest real world events when we don't know the reality of the world events he's talking about here are a couple of comments for my blog this had verdict as a result of a roulette with seven year assault on people's minds with false information and lies about what did not happen at sandy hook the brain which after all is a lot of mush can be molded and formed and adjust about whatever is wanted when people lack critical thinking abilities this is what happened the term conspiracy theorist as a CIA created meme to demonize anyone who dares to question the official government position on a given event in medieval time people who quest in religious or government dogma were burned alive amazon.com is engaged in interstate commerce and therefore must abide by the laws of the USA the First Amendment applies to amazon the USA allows this company to flout the law here's another what if i read an article that gives me PTSD oh what if it tears at my heart so repatiously do i sue the writer for my alleged grief hell let's level with each other who among us did not feel a long time ago that the sequelion sandy hook would never allow for a real search for the truth by the authorities in a sense this verdict as far as they could be on belief but in another sense it is what we all figured would happen in this case in a normal case that had many of the same question marks with exhumations that the bodies have been done to at least assert if there was a body your turn to i live in the most self-righteous state in the union and it is india case was sheltered in hidden from public view new laws were hastily created etc sandy hook was not your typical jurisprudence of him it was created for a direct purpose that of putting a tamper on gun ownership whoever heard of calling an a k or a are look like an assault weapon even if it were not fully automatic sandy hook doesley was a highly politicized fiasco emanating from the highest levels of our government as jim has found out any small aspect of the case could have been used to convict him any little whim could have spelled disaster we had no irons in the fire per se jim had all his irons in the fire there's a big difference there and appeal will bring a new judge let's hope for a better resolution let us never forget one thing sandy hook was engineered so the perks would never get caught the u.s. gulag was fabricated to make doubly sure those who challenge the government it is would never get the best of the powers that be more over lawsuits that respond such as those suing gun manufactured for their part of this bars were bugus as hell but so what new world order is knocking at the door that's the bottom line meanwhile if you look in ptsd to discover that the guidelines of the symptoms according to the male clinic a Leonard Posner and company made the traumatic event into a business how does that correspond with a symptoms not a whole lot male clinic diseases conditions post traumatic spes disorder trying to avoid thinking or talking about the traumatic event avoid places activities are people that remind you of the traumatic event his behavior was precisely the opposite why i've explained the obvious during a works that are in positor for a hundred and fifty dollars impetzer vows to appeal i am going to appeal indeed this is coming from moon rock books game sets are a fierce Tuesday with one of his attorneys in dane county circuit courted jury awarded Leonard Posner for hundred fifty thousand dollars in damage that her as attorneys argued ptsd writing contributed to his post traumatic stress disorder yesterday a jury decided a conspiracy theorism has paid the father of white killed in the 2012 sandy hook shooting for a hundred and fifty thousand dollars for falsely claiming the father circulated fabricated copies of his sons after tiffigate moon rock book get them while you can they not only banned sandy hook they have now been five more moon rock books at six out of the dozen books we have published including the parkland puzzle have a piece of fit together and i suppose we didn't go to the moon either political theater in charlotte's bill or morlando did allison beyond and nobody died in Boston either meanwhile any who want to contribute to my legal defense fund we have a donation website at moonrockbooks.com believe me the first amendment is on the line here consider whether you want to support my effort to stand up for the first amendment and the truth for the american public of people deserve to know their own history stop hey man well jim uh remember my youtube channel was taken down because i had an interview on on on sandy hook and uh it was done when uh cnn and i saved the video cnn uh business did a video with uh this lady who was part of the posner group apparently and she said let's look at this guy army sia up he looks like a winner and it was my website on cnn you couldn't you couldn't buy that kind of publicity so i have a lawsuit against uh uh uh uh uh youtube for taking down my my website based on what telling the truth you don't have community standards if it's based on a lie because you don't have a community if it's based on a lie so the whole notion of community and community standards that facebook and youtube and twitter i'd mind is based on truth the the whole truth and the absolute truth and therefore i think inevitably this is going to go into the courts and it's going to be reversed and thrown down you cannot have justice you cannot have courts based on lies everything has to be based on truth your allegiance to the government the government's authority over you your domestic and foreign policy all has to be based on truth and these false flag attacks these cops pouring blood on their arms pretending that they've been shot these sandy hook shootings that are exposed with fake bullet holes fake bullets all of the evidence of uh of a theme of drill a practice uh all of this uh when it gets out like pandora's box will forever change this nation and i think uh the the nation really isn't the civil war and this sort of a revelation of just how corrupt and uh uh controlled uh certain parties are is going to quicken that Jim Evan you have the last two and a half minutes here and i can't thank you enough for joining us today for this very special program your worry thank you Jim yeah well you're uh at absolute stubbornness and courage and sticking to your guns and the truth the way you see it is really uh impressive and legendary i agree with what scotches said that we need a truth-based social and political order this is the exact opposite of what the neo-conservative philosophy has uh held up is their ideal the neo-conservatives believe that truth is a threat to any political order that uh socrates indeed was uh justifiably executed for the crime of telling the truth in the public square these people are hardcore machia valiance who think that lies are necessary that all social political orders are based on big lies and that truth-tellers are subversives and that's the world that we've lived in the neo-con ruled world of the sacred big lie since the september 11th 2001 event which was designed not only to launch a war of civilizations uh a genocidal campaign against the islamic world and the enemy's of zionism but also to stir up uh strife between the different religious faith traditions all of this serves a genuinely satanic uh strousey and neo-con agenda and everybody is pushing back against it in all of the different ways some of them may be more effective than others uh all of them in the underdog's position deserves uh thanks and praise for their courage and that includes everybody on this show today so thanks jim and you know and i i was really honored to have lunch with you in the that crucial day of your trial and to write out the story that happens to be the one that's kind of gone viral since that trial and i just wish that the the future will bring out the truth on this in a way that this rigged kangaroo court case was not it really was a tragedy the courts should be a place where every where the all every party gets the chance to try to present an honest defense and to try to get at the truth of what's really an issue in the case and that just didn't happen here yeah then this will prove to have been a hybrid victory uh they overplayed their hand the dependedly is so enormous the offense so minor no one can fail to escape there's rocine justice even if the sentences that i wrote were false when they're in fact provably true that the judge manipulated the outcome by setting aside the expert document examiner's opinion is going to go down in history as among the most flagrant abuses of summary judgment in the history of jurisprudence in the united states this one may go all the way to the supreme court it's going to make its mark in history john take us down thank you for watching proof this is news here on October 21st actually it's proof versus official facts and acts let's send a hook an official act or was it the truth what really happened there folks stay to ensure this widely this is tremendous i appreciate your watching god bless we are here you you you you you you you you you you you you you you