SOAKED IN BLEACH : THE DEATH OF KURT COBAIN 2015

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He's reaching out really down trodden of society where the average Joe on Street wants to look up to his lyrics in his music and say hey this man's talking my language You guys no link explaining anything to do with your music It's all in the music And it's all in the music If there was a John Lennon type figure for the so-called generation X it would be co-bane Body of Nirvana leader Kurt Cobain was bound in a house in Seattle on Friday morning dead of an apparently self-proclaimed shotgun blast of the head The electrician hired to work on Cobain's home walked up to this room above Cobain's garage and made the shocking discovery this morning Suicide note was found. This is a puzzling case a very disturbing case It first got reported that Kurt was missing in Courtney love hired private investigator Tom Graham I've been involved in missing persons cases before some red flags started popping up immediately So I began recording every conversation I have Courtney during the entire period that I worked for her It could be made to look like a suicide I've walked into cases that look like a suicide that turned out to be homicides So bane's wife singer Courtney love was in he went on tour with her band hole when the body was discovered as it is She's inherited a state worth 10s of millions of dollars that Courtney love kill Kurt Cobain did she have a hand in any kind of conspiracy? And these are favorite topics of you know fanatics There's nothing in the medical examiner's report or coroner's reports that could not have easily have been duplicated by murder It's entirely possible that a police officer no matter how well trained may not see or notice a particular item of evidence Kurt Cobain was not barricaded inside the room. He did not leave his driver's license No one would believe that was a suicide note. Kurt Cobain was ingested with three times the lethal dose of heroin The media was getting this wrong You I'm sure he's not in there. I knocked for at least five minutes. If he's there he would have answered. All right. I just don't want to end up on the wrong end of a shotgun. I'm sure he's not in there. I knocked for at least five minutes. Let's go. Here we go. Careful. Call out. Call out. Call out. They hurt. Hello, sir. You know, make a lot of noise. KERK! KERK! KERK! KERK! We got a statue or something in here. We find it. We're going to have to take it, right? Yeah. I shall leave Lee Doos since I bought it. It's in my name, so. Here could be under the bed. It might be. No. All right, let's go in this one. All right, what is this? That's me, I think, to either. We're a hip-null. That's where they are. What? He keeps saying someone's stolen, but they've been sitting there. He's a what-io-deed-on-in-room. What she wants to take those? Yeah. Wait a minute. Would she be okay if you keep them? Yeah. Or does the legal if we get stopped? No. They're a prescription from England. They're over the counter, England. Are they legal here? Yeah. They're completely legal. What are they useful? The sold is a sedative for sleeping ailments, and sometimes they're given a peep. And if we get pulled over, you're not going to get arrested for havin' us. No. They're fine. Wow. Well, it's obviously not here in the shotgun. No. I don't know where it would be. Is there anywhere else? Okay. You mentioned in Rolling Stone about another note that he wrote to you. It's like a letter. Yeah. And it's not really like a suicide note. It seems more like it was like a fantasy old M.O.L. And it was just like to me. And it seems like he wrote it and we have. Where do you find it? Where do you find it? It was in my bedroom. My bedroom. My bedroom. My pillow. Under your pillows? Yeah. I told you to search a camera about it. Yeah. I let him see it. There's only one problem with that corgney. What? I looked under your pillows. Just like we looked under your mattresses. That's how I found the rope and the rope, and all between your mattresses. That note wasn't under your pillows on the bed. Tell him it was. And I showed it to search a camera. And he can tell you know, he can put it up. Prove it. I own it. I'll show it to you whatever you want to see it. Yeah, I'd like to see it. I'd like to see it. But what I'm telling you is it was not there the night before the body was found. Or the night before that. Because we, you know, you can ask Dylan about this. We took the pillows up. We were looking for drugs. We looked under the mattresses. That's where the right note was. There was no note. Right. Right. It was a long legal envelope. Quite envelope. That was sealed. And I've been able to. Yeah. And it was definitely persuading. It was right under my pillow. Yeah. I got a bunch of pillows on that bed. It was right there. All I can say to that Courtney is if you say so. But I looked. My name is Tom Grant. I was hired by Courtney Love to find her missing husband Kurt Cobain in April of 1994. My father was a school teacher. And this is a man I never caught one time in my entire life telling a lie. He was the best role model anybody can ask for. By the time I became a junior in high school, I definitely wanted to be a police officer. Graduating from the LA County Sheriff's Department was a very proud day for me and for my family. My first assignment was at the troll division at West Hollywood Sheriff's Station. When I quit the department, I quit in very high standing. From there, I moved on, took the test and obtained my own private investigator's license. I believe what makes me a good PI is that I always apply logic and common sense to everything that I do. I've seen a lot of suicides, a lot of murders, and I don't try to predetermine anything. And if I feel that my client that's coming to me for help is in the wrong, based on what they're telling me, I'll let them know, you know, this could be a pretty dangerous trip for you. Scratch the surface of most PI's and you don't find a clean record. You find a lot of skeletons. And then we met Tom Brent. He turned out he had an exemplary record. He was respected, he was a stand-up guy, there was consensus. And that went a long way to convincing us of his credibility. The word conspiracy is actually a legal term. It simply means two or more people plotting or planning to commit a crime. Even committing shoplifting with another person can actually be charged with conspiracy. When somebody refers to me as a conspiracy theorist, I take it as an insult because I know what they mean by it. Hiring me is not my current and attorney. It's not to protect you, it's not to keep you out of jail. My job as a private investigator is to find the truth. It's simply to find the truth in the matter that you're hiring me for. On Easter Sunday, I was in my office with a private investigator who worked for me, named Ben Klugeman. And we were dealing with a client when the phone rang. Who calls on Easter? Would you excuse us for just a second? The grant company, how may help you? And it was a woman's voice on the other end, kind of a raspy, low voice. Now, if someone is unlawfully using your credit cards, maybe the police are the better people to call. And then she said, well, you know, my husband and I are kind of famous. And we need to get this done right away. And your husband, today? Are you kidding me? No, no. I was about 47 at the time. Ben Klugeman, my investigator, was 29. He immediately knew who they were and what had been going on, even in Rome, you know, just a few weeks earlier. Because it was a holiday, of course, there were very few of any other private investigators working. So she went through the yellow pages and she found our ad and I was probably one of many that she called. And I think she was probably surprised to have the phone picked up. What room number? It's not very often that a private investigator goes against his client. So I'm sure she regrets hiring me. When we were available to meet Courtney at the peninsula hotel, first thing she said, and this is her words, they're not mine. You leaked this to the press? I'll say the fuck out of you. Well, hello to you too, you know, how you doing? Curtis Kate from rehab a couple days ago. You bought a ticket back to Seattle, but nobody's seen him since he got back. When I first entered the room, she was wearing a sort of negligee night gown, totally see-through. She might as well have had nothing on whatsoever. I called the credit card companies and told them that the card was stolen and that they should cancel it. What was it? What? Stolen. No. Courtney eventually told us that Curtis credit card actually wasn't stolen, that she had called the credit card company and cancelled it so that nobody could use it. She felt that that would essentially cut him off from any funds. I'm sure your husband has another way of getting money. Are you kidding me? Curtis helped us. He doesn't have any friends. Again, in her words, you don't understand. This guy can't even catch a- Fucking cat by himself if you wanted to. Hey. Hey. It's my drug dealer. I didn't know at the time that this was supposed to be an in-house rehab. I learned that later, but total farce. I mean, most of the time I was with her. She was either on drugs or doing drugs. There was nobody overseeing what was going on there. Listen, Kurt escaped from rehab. He bought a shotgun. And I just feel like something bad is going to happen, okay? In the middle of all this conversation, she keeps talking about how suicidal he is. Now, everybody thinks he's going to commit suicide. Everybody knows it. Everybody thinks he's going to die. Hold on a second. Now, if he bought a shotgun and he's suicidal, then dealing with this credit card problem, that's the least important thing we could help you with. Okay. Well, that's why I want you to start. She started off with a lie when we first talked around the phone, saying why she wanted to hire us, which wasn't true. And then she starts telling us these other things that just didn't add up. They weren't logical. They didn't make sense. So all kinds of red flags started popping up. I don't know what's going to happen with this case, but we're going to document everything. Looking back on that day, it turned out to be a day that really changed my life forever. The name Kurt Cobain goes through my mind probably three or four hundred times a day at least. And it has for the last 20 years. By necessity, you know, because of the emails I get, the letters I get, and all the other stuff. Because he was so famous. And it gets a little bit old after a while just thinking Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain. Growing up in Aberdeen, basically not a whole lot to do. Nine months out of the years, very dreary, very overcast, lots of rain. I mean, it's kind of hard living in this area and not being depressed. Employment opportunities in Aberdeen, it's just not a whole lot. For the most part, we were lower middle class. I don't think we would be considered poor. We certainly didn't go hungry. The first two weeks of the month, everybody gets their wall for their check. You know, the bars are packed. The last two weeks of the month, the bars are empty. And that's pretty much the state of living. Kurt used to live across the street. And his mother and they'd sit out there and argue for a half hour or 45 minutes. And the wife and I slept up and up, stared as bedrooms so we used to hear it. I knew Kurt Cobain from the high school. He ran around with my two oldest sons. The couch I'm sitting on now is the couch that Kurt slept on. He stayed for a few days and then a few days more. And it just sort of stretched out to be about a year. It's a depressing atmosphere. But I also think at the same time, that's why we have so many bands mold over Washington State. There was nothing to do. It's like it rained constantly. So what you had to do is you had to improvise. People tended to pick up instruments in play. And I think that just affected the music from this whole region in general. In our neighborhood, we lived a block away from the group that became the melvans. Metal Church lived in the house next door. We had examples of people who made it. I used to see him with his drumsticks beat on the stop signs, on the fences. And his dad had an old fort pickup used to beat on that. When he first saw the melvans live for the first time, he just knew that that was what he wanted to do. The day that changed his life. Or Nirvana. We were called Skid Row. And then we went from Skid Row. We played live on a radio and midnight show on Chaos. The very next day, I showed up at Kurtz and Kurt had his easel. And he was a... His painting is pictured. I'm like, uh... And I kind of looked at it. I go, what the hell? And it was a painting of a giant pen with its cap all chewed up, right? So that day, we were called Pincap 2. And so we did some shows, Pincap 2, and Kurt tired of that. So we're... Ted had red. Well, they don't like that anymore. So we're gonna be bliss. So the fourth name was bliss. And then the fifth name was Nirvana. I didn't see him as being particularly different emotionally from any of us. I think people tended to read him wrong just because he wasn't quiet person. I don't see Kurt as being depressed at all. I see him as being optimistic. It gave me a lot of hope, you know, to hopefully someday get out of this area with my music. Nirvana, Mud Honey and the Melvins was doing something. It was proactive. To me, that takes courage. And he had that courage. And that was the big difference, you know. He had so much talent and tremendous amount of creativity to give. So it's kind of unlimited what he could have done, you know. It's really nice to eventually start playing acoustic guitars and be thought of as a singer and a songwriter, rather than a grunge rocker, you know. Because then I might be able to take advantage of that when I'm older and sit down on a chair and play acoustic guitar like Johnny Cash or something, you know. And it won't be a big joke. You know. Well, that's real memory occurred. And it's really it's not not a good thing for me. But I was on my way to work and I just had to get gas. I stopped in one of my former employers. And I was getting gas in my car and now I actually had the radio playing. And I actually overheard it on the radio and stuff when I stand in paying for my gas and it's. I can't forget that day. I called the credit card company like you said. They told me he also bought two tickets on United Airlines. Where too? They don't know. Are they want to tell me? All they told me was how much you paid for it. I was like, I'm not going to pay you. I'm not going to pay you. I'm not going to pay you. I'm not going to pay you. All they told me was how much you paid for him. So, I don't know. Maybe he's going to hang out with Michael again. Michael. Stight. Lead singer of R.E.M. Anyway, I don't know. I figure he flies up, gets his guitar from Seattle, and then he flies down to Atlanta, but he has two tickets. I mean, did he buy a ticket for someone else? I think Kurt wants a divorce. Why would you say that? He loves me a note in Rome. He says that he's leaving me. The subject of divorce came up almost every time we talked after that. Whenever Courtney referred to divorce, she would usually say something like this. I thought, you got two divorce, they keep that new custody battle on witness second. He would even put up a fight. The only way that a divorce is going to happen is if I bust him for infidelity. Has he been unfaithful? Yes, yes. I think so. Courtney, on several occasions, mentioned that she thought Kurt might be having an affair with Kristen Paff, her bass player. She was very jealous, and she also felt like he might be having an affair with Caitlin. She was his drug dealer. If Kurt's in Seattle, he's with her. She seemed to be very jealous of anybody that got near Kurt and wanted to know every little move that he made. So I, um, I planted a story in the news yesterday saying that I had OD'd and that I was in the hospital thinking that Kurt would get scared and call me. I don't know. It's like... I've got this record coming out in like a week. And I mean, I know the value of this. I mean, I didn't think about it when it first happened. But all publicity has come to a certain degree. I'm like, Michael Jackson, right? Anyway, what do I tell this guy from the Associated Press? I mean, should I call and, you know, confirm it? And so the story goes out and say, I was there. I tell you what, and this is just my good instinct. I think you may end up regretting that you did it. If it goes in as a rumor, you know, what's the meaning of it? I denied it. And I can deny it all the way to the bank. And actually people will believe me if I deny it. You know, he's a... he laughs. And when he laughs, I think I'm very depressed. And it has to be hospitalized for a post-opinant nervous breakdown. Then it appeared that I attempted suicide. That way, there are no drugs involved in the sympathy goes to me. How's that first thing? The press always perceives me as just completely tragic and fucked up anyway. So I don't know. I have like a record coming out, so, you know, selfishly it would help some records. Thank you very much. That's a lot of information. And we'll go do our job. We had a good encounter with Syda, and he never really were in the hospital. Yeah. No one told him. I mean, people, but... So I have to go with people that I had to do this at home. We were already convinced that Tom was sincere, that he believed what he was saying. Certainly wasn't lying. He brought us into this office with a safe, open the safe, and there was this trove of cassette tapes. It's hours and hours of tapes. And then he starts playing us the tapes. And the facts were there. It was funny. I don't even want to be in your bonnet. You know, if Kurt wants to turn us down, then at 9.5 million dollars will all be... When we hit a fucking play ball, it got the guy. She's just coming across as very controlling and very angry. Then I would actually talk to him about Kurt. I love you. I would support whatever you do. If you don't want to do all the blues and fine, I should have done all the blues this year. I was offered it first, but I gave that up so that Kurt could go out and think, like, do the $10 million. And now he's like talking that up. Something was going on that was out of the ordinary, and there was more to this than what I was being told. I called Seattle Police. File the missing person's report. Did they ask when you were coming back? She filed it in the name of Wendy O'Connor, Kurt Cobain's mother. You're the one that filed the missing person's report? Yeah, and I'm totally comfortable with that, because people would take me seriously. I filed it under my own name. So all the media that went out after that that said Kurt's mother filed a missing person's report was totally false. On April 4th, Kurt Cobain's mother, Wendy O'Connor filed a missing person's report on her son, because he reportedly fled a quote-unquote facility. She did not clarify whether that was a drug treatment center or not, but that's where people are speculating. She was worried about Kurt because he had a shotgun in his possession. She considered him suicidal. That should get things going, right? Right. What about Caitlin? I know that they're together. I've got someone watching her apartment. He hasn't showed up. I want to put someone on your house, too, because sooner or later, he's going to come home. But if Kurt's still in Seattle, he's hiding out. He's not going to be at the house. You like to stay in hotels, you know, fancy hotels downtown. He uses the name Simon Richie. Mm-mm, mm-mm, or Bill Bailey. You should check that out. The next day on Monday, when we hadn't had any success with the really nice hotels in Seattle, we began calling some of the others the smaller motels. And we located a motel, and there was a Bill Bailey registered there. I want to send one of our guys over there to see if it's Kurt. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want Kurt to know that I'm looking for him. Send somebody over there, just have them watch the hotel, okay? Okay. I don't know, 15 or 20 minutes went by. What do you mean you called the hotel? I thought that you said that you didn't want Kurt to... No, I... Tom. Okay. Um, listen, if he's out there, then I think we need to set up a team at the Lake Washington House. Yeah, it's a waste of time, Tom, you know what? Is he's not going to be there? It's a reason that you don't want surveillance on your house? Yes, because we don't need it. Callies there. He'll tell me if Kurt shows up. I don't want to be there. I don't want to be there. I don't want to be there. I don't want to be there. Earlier in the day in a conversation, Courtney told me she didn't trust Callie. She said he was one of the deaf liars she's ever met. But now all of a sudden she tells me he won't kill him. I'm not as effective for you here as I would be up there. I'd like to move the entire search up to Seattle. I know I got guys on the ground there, local guys. You know, and if I were there, I could move them along a little. It's fine. You can go. That's great. That's great. Why don't you go up there, Courtney? Because I can't. I have business to take care of here. I'm going to be there. I have a chance. I have business to take care of here. I will. Look, I'd appreciate it if you didn't tell anyone I was traveling up there. I mean, if anyone knows, they might tell Kurt and then he could flee. Absolutely. I think it's a really good idea. Okay. I'm going to wait here. Go on. Save the American icon, Tom. Cheers to the American princess. I got my ashes hidden from this soldier. As I was getting ready to fly to Seattle, Courtney told me about Dylan Carlson. Dylan knew all the hangouts. He knew the house really well. Kurt's best friend was Dylan Carlson. What do you think as he, uh, as a suicidal? No, not at all. He's been under a lot of pressure, but he's been handling things pretty good. I mean, I know he and Courtney have been having a lot of troubles lately, but... I don't know why Kurt married her. They don't get along. They don't agree about anything. They're always fighting that type of thing. This thing enrolled. Did anybody say that that may have been... I'm trying to kill himself? No. It was an accident. Everybody knows that. I asked him several times about whether Kurt was suicidal or not, and it was almost a joke to him. You know, it was like, no, of course not. Because I'm thinking, I'm not going to be able to do anything. Of course not. Now, because I'm thinking, if he was a suicidal, as she says he is, why would she let him buy a shot? Because not suicidal. He bought that shot gun the day he went to rehab. Been a burglary at the house recently. It's a police that just compensated his other gun, so I registered it in my name. Trust me, if he was suicidal, I would never let him get a shot gun. Singer Courtney Love says, go main and first written a suicide note to her, which said, in part, it's not fun for me anymore. I can't live this life. There was a mythology that, oh yeah, everybody knew he was suicidal. That was just... that was just obvious. It was no big surprise when he finally killed himself. And then you go to those closest to him that people knew him best. And none of them believed he was suicidal. I've never heard Kurt talk about suicide or anything. He's always seemed happy around me. You know, quiet, shy, but definitely happy. He never hinted to me that he was depressed. His music and his lyrics kind of portrayed a darker side to someone with his emotions, but I think that was kind of glorified. People start to analyze the lyrics and look at some of the things that he wrote. Say, well, of course, look at what he wrote here. And obviously, he's talking about suicide. I've heard of people thinking, I'm trying to put too much meaning into my lyrics, you know. A lot of times when I write lyrics, this isn't the last one. Second, because I'm really lazy. And then I find myself having to come up with explanations for it. There may be one or two lines in a song here and there, but I swear to God, brother, it's really not that as much as it seems. The pain in his stomach, this was a big thing, that his stomach pain that he'd been suffering for years, was so severe that it made him want to kill himself. He did talk like that. There's no question. And once that was diagnosed, it was treated. And the pain went away. How's your stomach? Do you find anything dead? Ah, it's gone. Yeah. Yeah. I finally have been prescribed the right stomach medicine after six years of being in constant pain, finally, I haven't had a stomach problem for like over a year now. The stomach pain and the outlook and his disposition seemed to be very closely linked. He had given an interview to Rolling Stone where he said he was happier than he'd ever been. Is this your idea? I'll find a movie. When you hear Courtney spitting this whole elaborate timeline about how he tried commit suicide before and he was talking about suicide to everybody he knew, that just seems to be fiction. Rather, chillingly, it says that three of Cobain's uncles had also committed suicide. She calls it the Cobain Curse. As far as the suicide history in the Cobain family, Leedlin Cobain's father, he was a Montessano police officer, and he went into a bar one day and he sat at a bar stool. This is back in 1938. His gun somehow dislodged from its holster, hit the ground, and according to the report, he looked around in the bar and asked if everybody was okay and then immediately collapsed. And he just fell dead. From what Leedlin has told me about his brother, his brother was drinking, and he fell down a staircase and died from complications of that. Neelah Echert's great grandpa or his great uncle were suicides. One of the important elements in the case and in convincing the world that it was suicide was the so-called Rome Suicide Attempt. Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain, who slipped into a coma and was hospitalized in Rome, Italy at about 6 a.m. this morning was in a state of what his management calls complete collapse. His condition was apparently aggravated when he consumed champagne on top of a prescription painkiller called a ruptal. Now, at the time, the word suicide was never used by the media, by Courtney, by Kurt. It was portrayed as an accidental drug overdose. He recovered from the coma and his publicist said the incident was an accident, not a suicide attempt. As soon as Kurt died, first interview as the Courtney gave. She started talking about previous suicide attempts. Rome was a suicide attempt. Courtney started telling people that Kurt had swallowed 60 pills. He swallowed 60 pills, that's not an accident. That's a suicide attempt. So we decided to contact the doctor that treated Kurt in Rome, Dr. Galetta, and he categorically denied that there were 60 pills in his stomach and that it was a suicide attempt. At the time, Kurt and Courtney both said it was an accident and the doctor confirmed that. So there's just no evidence that he'd ever tried to kill himself before. No anecdotal evidence, nobody else close to Kurt ever said that he tried to commit suicide, but the world just took Courtney's word for it. He got real depressed and he wrote, basically, a suicide note. There's no real other way. He claims it was the least leaving me. Do you still have all the notes? The note from Rome and the original note here? Yeah, Detective, Detective, uh, uh, I can't be gave you back to the note from Rome. And he said, I would destroy this, it's not really you, it's not going to do you any good. Why would somebody tell you to get rid of that? Because there wasn't really nice. I thought about, um, to get you to get it for. While I was in Seattle with Dylan and we were driving around, I mentioned to him that Courtney said that Kurt only stays in the best hotels and he was almost incredulous. I mean, he practically laughed and he said, that's ridiculous. He hates fancy hotels. He stays in really cheap places, mostly along the Aurora strip. All right, have you seen him or not? Okay. Come on. I'm going to call Courtney and check in. I don't know what's going on. Dylan told me that when they did say it, those motels, they usually stayed for two or three weeks, basically living off of Coca-Cola and potato chips and doing their heroin. Courtney always wanted to go through Dylan. She wanted to talk to Dylan on the phone and have Dylan give me the instructions. Courtney's had some trouble. She's in the hospital and she got arrested. What? She said the rest was all a big mistake and she's fine. She wants to go back to the house and look for the shotgun again. She thinks it might be in the hidden compartment of the bedroom closet. Hidden department. She hadn't mentioned that to us before, but she said that's where Kurt keeps the shotgun. So if it's there, that's where it's going to be. Let's go. Remember this for last night? No. The note that was apparently written by Kelly didn't make sense. Kurt, I can't believe you managed to be in this house without me noticing. You're a fucking asshole for not calling Courtney and at least letting her know that you're okay. She's in a lot of trouble. You're a fucking asshole for not calling Courtney and at least letting her know that you're okay. She's in a lot of pain, Kurt, and this morning she had another accident and now she's in the hospital again. We looked in that little hidden compartment. There was no shotgun there. She's your wife. She loves you and you have a child together. Get it together to at least tell her you're okay. Or she is going to die. It's not fair, man. Do something now. Later when I talked to Rosemary Carol about it and I told her I was suspicious of it, she jumped in right away and she knows Kelly real well too. When I picked up that note and read it, it didn't sound as phony to me. It just sounded like a set-up letter. When I first found the letter I had no doubt that Kelly had written it, but it still looked strange to me. The letter just didn't make sense. It looked terrible. It wasn't a sincere letter. I thought Kelly wrote it because he knew the court was dead. The court was dead. Dylan and I headed out to the town of Carnation just outside of Seattle. Curt and Courtney owned two cabins there and we were curious to see if there had been any evidence of Curt being there. We got about halfway there when we stopped to get gas and Dylan made another phone call. I got a phone call from our electrician Gary Smith and he was doing some security lighting at a house of a... We just knew it was a rock star in Seattle, we weren't sure who he was. I mean he literally just kind of stumbled across it. He looked through a doorway, a glass door, a locked door, and he saw a body. And he said, he, I think he shot himself. I called a radio station and told him what happened. So I answered the call and there's a guy on the line. He's going, I have got some incredible news here. Anything? A friend of mine said he just heard they found a body at Curt's house. What? Brought group Nirvana is dead. An electrician discovered Cobain's body in the singer's Lake Washington home this morning. The electrician tells Combo News that emergency crews told him that the dead man is really... When I heard that the body was found in a room that was called the greenhouse, I turned to Dylan and I said, what's the greenhouse? And he saw it's just a dirty little room above the garage. They stored lumber or something in there and it sounded to me like this was just some kind of broom closet or something. So do you think the attention they did not tell you to check that room out? Well, again, you know, I hope the listeners bear in mind we're having to skip over an awful lot of stuff. They glance down on the floor and I saw something that looked like a mannequin. I can see blood in this ear and long hair and... Immediately got a little shaken. The French doors were locked. I was first in and right away. I could see that it was a fatality. The shotgun lane is lab a significant pool of blood by his head. There is nothing we could do for him so we didn't touch the body. We'll check for mail or something with an aim on it. The officer said, hey, do you want the name? Knowing I needed it for my logbook. He said it's Cobain, Kurt Cobain. A couple of second delay in my head snapping around. I said, do you mean like the rock star? The developing story shocks the music world. A man found dead this morning is rock star Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain. Record label. I heard a car. I heard a car. I heard a car. I heard a car. I heard a car. I heard a car. I heard a car. I heard a car. I heard a car. We're available to get ride to town. We're waiting for me, T тоже nade. So my name on Tell me about the bat opportunity. If you're a bat you bring the sound. Rob Dalyton. The greenhouse stuck out like a sore thumb. I mean, you could see it from the street above the bushes. It was so tall. I just didn't understand why he didn't point that out to me. That's anything tonight. He's a long storm. Dylan didn't like the press, and he said, pertin like the press. It's a current fair silly from them. Hello. I'm Tom Grant. How are you? Fine. I was hired by Courtney Love to investigate the disappearance of her husband. I've got information. I think would be helpful. Could I speak to the detective in charge? Wait here. Stay too busy to speak with you now. Call the station at the 3 p.m. You can talk to your men. I was dumbfounded by that. If I were a police officer investigating the dead body and somebody told me there was somebody outside that had been in the house tonight before, I'd tell them, hold him. If they say they need to leave handcuff him and keep him there until we get a chance to talk to him. You don't let somebody like that go. You don't take a chance until you fully investigated a case and determined positively how this person died. The Seattle Police Department, in plainly, were investigating this as a possible homicide. And if they were, they certainly wouldn't allow somebody to leave when they'd been in the house the night before a dead body was found on the property. I'm Norm Stamper. I was a police officer for 34 years. The last six from 1994 to 2000, as Seattle's police chief. I wouldn't pretend that there aren't police officers who are cynical and suspicious and skeptical. That was the case in the Kurt Cobain death. John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe. Over the past 50 years, as a medical legal friends pathology consultant, I've been involved in thousands of cases, about 18,000 autopsies. And I reviewed, signed off, were supervised, and evaluated about 38,000 other autopsies. I personally investigated supervised, consulted, and researched on over 8,000 homicides. I ruled practical homicide investigation because there was a need for a standard protocol to approach all death scenes. From the very beginning, everything that the detectives encountered indicated to them that this was a suicide. The decision to rule the case by police the same day and to make a public pronouncement that this was a suicide is not the way good police agencies would function today. As a homicide commander, I would not be making any proclamations that the case was a suicide without the evidence having been processed, the victimology, the medical legal process, toxicology. It's a death investigation. They knew nothing about the drug level. They knew nothing about fingerprints. They knew nothing about anything else at that time, except that they had found him with a shotgun. The reason we call things death investigations is that we don't want to prematurely make them homicide suicides or accidents. It's a death investigation. Cases that involve prominent figures. These cases usually take more time because you know that they're going to be more questions. People are going to know every single thing about it in the Philip Seymour Hoffman case. They found him with a needle in his arm. They found 50 bags of heroin right there in his apartment. And yet they did not make any announcement beyond that. They knew that they should not become any official statements as to cause a man or a death do not come from police or even homicide detectors. They do not. I never believe that the police were involved from the beginning in any kind of a conspiracy involving Kirk Cobain's death. I think they were set up by Courtney Love from that missing persons report and everything that it said in it. If my officers heard or were made aware that Kirk Cobain had left rehab, had purchased a shotgun, was suicidal, that's of course going to affect them. They, what I call, assumed the suicide position, which, to me, means cut corners, not do this, not do that because what isn't the suicide, no problem. I have to admit, there's been a lot of inconsistencies in this case. Really? The reports that were coming out in the media said Kirk Cobain was barricaded inside the greenhouse. Look at this photograph. Is that the lock you're talking about? I don't know where this picture is from, so I couldn't say. Well, it's from the greenhouse. I've been over the place inside and out. Trust me, that is the only lock. You say so? Presumably I'm telling you the truth. Why would you say that he locked himself in? Because the door was locked. Look at the picture. It's not a deadbolt. It's a twist lock. Anybody could have twisted that lock and pulled the door shut behind him when they left. The lock doesn't matter. There was a stool wedged up against the door. Now, how do you wedge a stool against the door? After you've already left the room? The police reports. Plainly states that the stool was simply sitting in front of the two unlocked French doors at the other side of the room. But on one of the reports, it was added that the stool was blocking the entrance. Someone reported that there was a stool blocking the door. That wasn't the case. I don't know where that came from. If you could just show me the photographs your officer took at the scene, we could put that issue to rest once and for all. Well, the photographs haven't been developed. Probably never will be. We don't develop photographs on suicides. I have never heard of that. Every case I've been involved with the crime scene photographs would develop. Why not release them to other experts? I can't answer that question. It was something that the Seattle Police Department did. In hindsight, they probably shouldn't have. But that's what they did. Nothing you've said convinces me. This is anything but a suicide. Now, do you got any other pearls for me? On at this time. Detective Cameron resigned when he learned I was preparing to fire him. He had colluded with one of his own detectives to replant evidence that had been stolen by a homicide detective at a homicide scene. And it was for that reason that I was preparing to fire him. I'm just giving you the information I have. I don't care what you do with it. I understand that. But I think your investigation is into thinking that our investigation doesn't apply to. Maybe you're concerned with what he was doing where he was and all that. And then normally our homicide unit does not even respond to suicides. If the troll officer thinks the suicide isn't good about it, then he notifies the medical examiner's office. You don't allow a patrol officer with no homicide investigative experience to determine whether a scene is a suicide or not. And he goes out there. They look at the body. They're comfortable with it. We don't even respond. My opinion is, in 1994, they just didn't look at anything. If it appeared to be a suicide, it was a suicide case close. The news media do poison the atmosphere. And I have been involved in cases in which it was impossible, almost, to overcome the beliefs that had been created within the community because of the way in which that particular death had been reported. Judging by the evidence of the scene, Love says, co-beignot apparently drew a chair up to a window, looking at a huge sound, sat down, took some more drugs, picked up a shotgun, and using his thumb, it seems, shot himself in the head. Physical damage was so severe that his body could only be identified by fingerprints. I was a bit surprised. Normally a shotgun wound to the head that one's eye seen are pretty devastating, often making facial features unrecognizable. His head was not grossly deformed or badly damaged. I think I certainly would have recognized him. I don't see it in a reason why anyone wouldn't have who knew what he looked like. Seattle's on police reports indicate that officer Lavandowski found Kurt Cobain's wallet lying on the floor. He opened it up, removed his driver's license, and he put it on top of Cobain's wallet to take a photograph for evidence. Most of the media reported that Kurt left his driver's license exposed and a lot of them went into a lot of detail that he did that so that everyone would recognize him, but it was completely false. Did you read the article in Us magazine? No. And there's a quotation supposedly from the suicide note. Right. I can't live my life like this any longer if something's that effect right in front of me. That's not in the suicide. I'm not. And the only people in health that the information about what's in the suicide note is Kurt, me, and me, and the police. So they had to have gotten that from Kurt, a to the best of my knowledge. And that's not a statement that's in the suicide note. But yet it's a statement that I feel she wants people to think. No, it's amazing. It's that we can do this, you know? Love, who, contrary to rumors, says she and Cobain hadn't broken up, says Cobain had first written a suicide note to her, which said, in part, it's not fun for me anymore. I can't live this life. News media play a great role in these matters. The John Kennedy incidentally pointed out the need for integrity within the news media. This has been something that was commented upon going back to our founding fathers because sometimes pressures from news media can be very, very significant. I don't have the right to make an opinion on anything that I read or see on television until I go to the fucking source myself personally. The toxicology report from Kurt Cobain's autopsy indicated a heroin blood level of 1.52 milligrams per liter. Five milligrams will produce a level of 0.035 milligrams. Most users, even heavy users, only use up to 40 to 60 milligrams in one hit. So you can see, to reach 1.52 milligrams per liter, you're talking about an amount that would have certainly have exceeded 200 milligrams that were injected into Kurt Cobain. Three times the amount that would be considered lethal. I think very legitimate questions have been raised about the level of heroin. We have not, in 18 years, found a single case where somebody could have the level of heroin in their body that Kurt did and still remain conscious. 70 times the lethal dose for the average person, triple the lethal dose, even for the most severe heroin addicts. It would have been capacitated. We would have been unconscious. And then rolled down this sleeve, put away the heroin care, pick up the shotgun, position it back with, and pull the trigger. That deals with coordinated functions. How about the emotional aspects of this? Why would he then shoot himself before the drug has had a chance to take effect? No study that I know has correlated use of heroin with suicide. I cannot think of a case in which I have had someone inject himself with a large amount of heroin and then proceed to kill himself. It just doesn't make sense. And it doesn't fit in with these kinds of situations involving heroin. These are questions that I think deserve answers. And in fact, require answers. Many of the questions could be answered. If the medical examiners offer sort of make public, the autopsy report. I've been able to see the toxicology report or the good autopsy report because I haven't had access to review the actual documentation from the authorities. The autopsy report is public record. Apparently in this jurisdiction, it is not. In the case of Kurt Cobain, they should have made them part of the release with the freedom of information. Why they didn't do that? I don't know. In hindsight, maybe they should have. We wouldn't be having this discussion today. There was a documentary made about 1997, I believe, called Kurt and Courtney. I cooperated with the producer and director of that Nick Roonfield. Tom Grant's Sarshan, 1.52 milligrams of heroin, per liter of blood, would have incapacitated Kurt, were discounted by Dr. Colin Brewer, formerly director at Westminster Hospital. He gave us this color slide of a patient balancing easily on one leg who had taken equivalent of over twice the amount taken by Kurt. The problem is that this man had taken methadone, not heroin, and he had swallowed the methadone. Methadone is a pain medication. It's also used to treat heroin addiction. And because it's taken orally, it's absorbed much slower. It takes time to get into the blood. So it can take up to an hour or perhaps two before it reaches its highest concentrations. Everyone, on the other hand, injected directly into the vein is immediately available to circulation, immediately available to the brain. Comparing oral methadone to intravenous heroin, where it's the trade expression, apples and oranges, it's much worse than apples and oranges. It might be a peaches and asparagus that you're comparing. I'm truly amazed that a competent forensic scientist would have made that kind of comparison. Seattle police reports indicate that Kurt Cobain was found with a shotgun upside down with his left hand grasping the barrel in a vice-like grip known as the cadaver expasem. Cadaver expasem is a form of muscular stiffening that only occurs in death. This occurrence is indispensable to forensic investigation as it clearly shows the precise orientation of the disease at the exact moment of death. In this case, Cobain's left hand gripping the barrel upside down as he was found. This all seems straightforward. Until you take into account the shotgun shell was found to Cobain's left side, opposite of where we'd expect to find the shell on Cobain's right side. The exit chamber is clearly on Cobain's right side if it was fired upside down as it was found and as the cadaver expasem confirms. Seattle PD explained the illogical trajectory of the shotgun shell by concluding that the shotgun was fired right side up by Cobain. The shotgun flipped upside down, expelling the shell to his left to finally rest in the position that it was found. This proposed scenario is impossible. Not only because shotguns do not flip upside down when fired, it completely ignores the cadaver expasem that locks the grip, dictating the precise orientation of the shotgun when fired. In order for the scenario, the Seattle Police stated occurred, Cobain's wrist would have to bend at an angle that is anatomically impossible. The cadaver expasem shows the precise orientation of Cobain's hand at the exact moment of death. The only way that the shell could end up in the opposite side of the room is if, when the shell was expelled, hit an obstruction on Cobain's right side and ricochet to Cobain's left side to land on the jacket. The crime scene clearly shows there was no such obstruction, which then puts into question if Cobain truly was alone in the greenhouse when the trigger was pulled. Kurt was not suicidal. Have you been watching TV reading the paper? They're all saying that he's been suicidal for a long time. And Courtney said that this overdose the one that was in room, she said that was a suicide attempt. That's not true. It was Rosemary Carroll's involvement that really pushed me forward. Because if somebody in Rosemary Carroll's position was telling me the things she was telling me, then I wasn't off base. I wasn't crazy. I wasn't a lunatic. She called me a couple of weeks ago, said Kurt was leaving her and asked me to find the meanest, most vicious divorce lawyer I could find. She even asked me if there was any way to avoid their prenup. And she said about that same time, Kurt, had called her also, and asked her if she could have Courtney's name taken out of the will. Does it seem strange that Courtney didn't go up to sea? I don't even want to look for him? Absolutely. You know, when I offered to go up, she said she could go with me because she had some business down here in LA. She didn't have any business in LA. When I don't understand is how you didn't see him in the greenhouse the first night you were there. Wait a minute. I didn't even know the greenhouse existed until the day I heard it on the radio. But Courtney told Dylan to check it. When he called Courtney at my house Wednesday night, I heard that he was going to be in the hospital. My house Wednesday night, I heard her tell him to check the greenhouse. And he said, no, she never told me to check the greenhouse. Wow. So, I mean, it's obvious that they're lying. Yeah. A lot of people sort of mock him for being at the house. On the case, looking for Kurt, Kurt was lying dead 20 feet away, and he never found him. What does that say about his abilities as a PI? I went back on a rainy night. He claims it was dark and just didn't know was there. Nobody told him. Dylan certainly didn't tell him. Dylan must have known who was there. It's anywhere else. Yeah. So I went and tested that. And sure enough, you really couldn't see it if you weren't looking for it specifically. I asked Courtney to see the note when I was in Seattle, and she refused. Courtney apparently had let Danny Goldberg, her husband, see the note, but she wouldn't let Rosemary see it. So that kind of mystified her too and made her more suspicious, and me more suspicious too. To hear Courtney's own lawyer, Kurt and Courtney's entertainment lawyer, Rosemary Carroll, the godmother of Francis Bean, somebody that knew them better than almost anybody. Telling Tom that they were in the middle of a divorce, that Kurt was drawing up a new will. And most importantly, I think the tape that really had me reeling was hearing Rosemary Carroll looking at the suicide note and immediately concluding that it's a forgery. That suicide note is a past each of things that she had written before. And of someone copying and handwriting. This is my theory, and it's a lot of its intuition. I think all of that weirdness with Callie and being in, obviously, had living in the house for several days while there was Kurt's corpse in the other place. Yeah. I think it had to do with the suicide note. I feel that there's a possibility that this was a suicide. Right. When I start going through my notes and refreshing my memory about everything that's gone on, I'm the keeper saying. I believe Courtney never thought the public was going to ever see that note. If I hadn't have tricked her out of a copy of the note, they wouldn't have seen it. So I heard you read the note on TV the other day, and I'm just a little confused about something. It sounded like the note said, unlying on the bed. Now, if Kurt was lying on the bed when he wrote the note, why was the bed so neat when I came here the other night? I mean, it looked like nobody had been on the bed. I was lying on the bed, recording the message for Kurt's fans. Are you sure that's what you said? Because I was under the impression that Kurt was lying on the bed. Look, I'll show you, OK? It's just a copy of the copy of the original. You know, I can't read this without my glasses. Can I take it down, make a copy in the facts machine? I'll read it later. Yeah. Sure. Maybe if you could come over again. Yeah, that's fine. Stop, I want to show you. Yeah, OK. I don't know. I just did stuff I just left at my house. Should I never have thought to really look at it at all quite honestly? And until one night? She left it after she came over to my house the night of the 6th. Rosemary Carroll was working with me behind the scenes privately, giving me information. She did it out of a good conscience. What do you think that is? I think someone went through his notebook, found passages that could plausibly be cobbled together to a suicide and traced them. They were traced? Yeah. Or for it, just on my down. I'll be taping this call. I'll take all my clothes. Shit. Tom? Yeah, I'm going to turn it off. Yeah, I mean, all this? I'm going to turn it off. Yeah. Yeah. Rosemary, it's really, really pretty, that day of that. She ought to say that in public. She ought to say that I'm lying about that. If she really believes that, then sit back and watch me prove that she did say it. It's really easy to say it behind closed doors, but she ought to go public and say that. Sooner or later, she's going to be forced to. I don't know. Anyway. Okay. I will, I just wish a company on your phone and I'll leave you the bike. You've promised me things before and it didn't come through. Ultimately, after Kurt Cobain's death was announced in the media, this phenomenon of copycat suicides began. Kids started killing themselves. Kurt Cobain fans, Nirvana fans. This was happening all around the world. You know, now I'm a dad myself and it's just, just absolutely breaks my heart. I talk to a lot of the families when you read their suicide notes and read their journals. It really drove home the importance of Kurt on this generation. The thought of losing a child is just horrific. I was relieved that I was going to go forward with this because I thought maybe it'll help stop some of these copycat suicides. You do still have the note from Seattle. Yeah. The one that I got a copy of. Yeah. You've got that. It's on a safe deposit box. It's on red pen and it's on an i-hop because I went to the office. Now it helped, too, to be analyzed. We could determine whether Kurt wrote that whole thing. The fact that the handwriting looks to my untrained eye different at the bottom of that note than it does during the body. Certainly does suggest that putting that note in the hands of a question documents examiner, somebody who really understands a lot more than we do as cops, that would be a good idea. A forensic document examiner examines documents to the purposes of authenticity. I examined handwriting sample of us found Courtney Love's backpack. It was a practice sheet of different letters, the alphabet. I examined that in comparison to the suicide note. What I did find interesting about the practice sheet is that it did have letter combinations and specific letters that are found in the bottom portion of the suicide note. It is possible that somebody else with some skill could indeed imitate his writing, especially those last few lines. One of the perhaps surprising characteristics of this note is that the largest section of the note or the initial part talks so much about his relationship to music. And it's only the very small part of the note, the last four lines, that talks about his relationship to his family. But there's another linguistically interesting thing about the second or final four lines of the note. That is that that is what most of us would consider a stereotypical suicide note. I love you, someone will be better off without me, keep moving forward. Those are the kinds of things we expect to find in suicide notes, or even an overkill to make it very stereotypical so that people couldn't miss what it was. There are a lot of questions I have for Dylan and Kelly, especially Kelly, who spend more time here at the house than anybody last week. Kelly is an angel left for rehab, he's an El Paso, or Georgia, I think. No, no, no, he's an L.A. with friends. And I'll get Dylan over here. After probably a half an hour, so I walked out and I asked, is Dylan here yet? I haven't seen him, and I just assumed that somebody would let me know when he showed up. They said, yeah, he's upstairs with Courtney, which I thought was strange. She was supposed to be coming into the house to talk to me, not go upstairs into a pre-interview with Courtney. So there's just been a couple of things that have been eating at me in the last few weeks, and I wanted to sit here and I wanted to talk to you about them. Did you just shoot up? Hmm? Did you just shoot up? What? Yes. Why did you do that? I told you I was coming up here, I told you we had to have this conversation. Dylan? Hmm. I told you we had to have this conversation. I'm ready. You're ready? You're not ready. Well, why would Courtney do this? She knew I had some serious questions to ask him, and she's sending him down to me in a drug state of mind where he could hardly talk. Did you check the front door or the back door? Did you check the front door or the back door? Yeah, which door? Both. Both doors. Did you check the side door? No. You didn't go to the side door. I don't remember. You don't remember, did you go to the greenhouse? No. You didn't go to the greenhouse. Dylan? Dylan? I want to talk about... I want to talk about the greenhouse. Dylan. Dylan was a heroin addict, and he needed a source for heroin. Once Kurt Cobain was dead, his source became Courtney Love. His loyalty became Courtney Love. It was very dependent on her. We've since learned that she paid his rent for many, many years, supplied the money for his heroin. Almost everybody around her... They were dependent on Courtney. They were dependent on Courtney's money. It was a waste of time. Waste of time. I felt it was my duty to notify my client that I was starting to dig into some directions. This she may not want me to be looking into, but I was determined to do it, and I thought that she deserved to know that I was going to do this. She got the message, I'm sure, from that. I was insinuating that I was suspected her of being involved in this. A few days after that letter was sent, I got a phone call from Courtney. She wasn't livid. She wasn't even angry. She didn't mention the letter, in fact. I basically said, I'm going to continue with my investigation with or without your cooperation. I believe you when you tell me that he knows something. I truly believe that in my heart. I know he does. You know he does. I don't know what the hell it is. I think that he might have heard the gun shot is what I think. If you're saying the third, I think he might have heard the gun shot. I think he knew her was dead. I'm almost positive if he knew her was dead before it came out, before the electrician found it. That's what I want to clarify. I have to know what it is here. I have to keep my head shut. It's what I think. That's what my gut is. It tells me. Here's all you have to do to bring this to a quick end and solve all of your problems. If I have a copy of the coronavirus report and if Cali comes down for a polygraph, this thing will be brought to a real quick end. I can try. I mean, you like me. Oh, it's up to you. I mean, you're the one that can do it. Nobody knows. I can legally get it. Of course, it's yours. Your attorneys don't have control. Here you have control. If you want to release to me, you can have it released to me. I'm coming to LA on the 17th. I will bring you a pretty... I will give it to you from my hand to your hand. And then you can do what you want with it. All right. You owe me a big fucking apology. This is over, by the way. Believe me, you'll get it in my phone. Okay. Okay. Bye. I wouldn't know where he was for four days. That's those three days. That's what I want to know. Well, you said you don't need to happen on the third, but I'm saying that's the third. That's what you owe me. And I don't believe that either the third or early Monday morning, which would be the fourth. I don't believe anybody actually saw him after 7.30 Monday morning. And I believe that anybody that says they did his line. I don't believe anybody. I don't believe anybody. Is hi. I'm looking for cards. Hello. Hello? Yes, hi. Someone's going to get really fucked up over there if I don't talk to cards. Yes, hi. This is Julie Bernstein, and I really need to speak to my client, Kurt. Get him on the fucking phone! Yes. Yeah, thank you. Now I'm going to call him. Yeah, and I'll talk to his client. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With the 20th anniversary approaching, Detective Mike Sazinski reexamined the case files of an assignment early in his fledgling career. The investigation into the death of Kurt Cobain. You can never really realize what type of conspiracy theorists are going to come out of the woodwork. The amount of heroin that he injected was like 10 times what normally anybody would have taken. Even a heavy heroin user. I believe he gave himself a fatal dose of black tar heroin. Detective Mike Sazinski found four roles of undeveloped crime scene photos. Two of those photos were released. Taken the day his body was found. I think I would have developed the film. Did you find anything different that made you believe it's anything but suicide? No, nothing. What people are going to gain from seeing pictures of Kurt Cobain? How is that going to benefit anybody? It wasn't going to change my decision that this was a suicide. I'm the one who makes a decision. Finally, do we go forward or not? There is never one item that I said, definitely, that this actually was a suicide. But... Any re-examination should not even be actively participated in by the Seattle Police Department. To expect them to conduct an objective, detached, unbiased investigation, and come back 20 years later and say, hey, man, we blew it. It flies in the face of common sense. The Kurt Cobain death demands a reopening by an objective set of experts. And until that is done, then one cannot feel comfortable in saying that Kurt Cobain's death was a clear cut suicide. For me, the most compelling piece of evidence that convinces me almost to a certainty that Kurt was murdered was the level of heroin in his body. There's never been a document to case in the history of law enforcement where somebody could have the level of heroin in their body that Kurt did. Still remain conscious and still led to a suicide. We talked to an FBI expert and he said, if you want to get away with murder, you kill a junkie. It's very easy to make a murder look like an accident to lower us or a suicide. It's the perfect crime and it happens all the time. We know that Kurt and Courtney had a pre-nuptial agreement. They were in the process of getting a divorce. This was confirmed. They were divorcing. He was leaving her. If the divorce had gone through, she would have received a very small settlement as a result of the pre-nuptial agreement. When he died, she co-inherited in a state worth possibly more than a billion dollars in future royalties. Police immediately look at motive. Here's the motive. No matter what anybody believes, this happened far too quickly for the kinds of things to be accomplished that need to be done in this kind of death investigation. We should in fact have taken steps to study patterns involved in the behavior of key individuals who had a motive to see Kurt Cobain dead. This would be, in fact, a classical example for how an investigation should not be done. If, in fact, Kurt Cobain was murdered as opposed to having committed suicide and it was possible to learn that, shame on us for not doing that. That was, in fact, our responsibility. Should the case be reopened, my answer is unequivocally, unhesitatingly, yes, the case should be reopened. It's about right and wrong. It's about honor. It's about ethics. If we didn't get it right the first time, we'd damn well better get it right the second time. And I would tell you right now that if I were the chief today, I would reopen this investigation. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. We're going to be doing this. 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