The New JFK Show #186 Dr Ralph Cinque on Jack Ruby frame up

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Welcome to the new JFK show number 186 with Dr. Rao St. K Dr. James Fessler, Larry Rivera and myself Gary King. We're overheard 153 news. We've been terminated from YouTube and even my guitar channel that I only reviewed guitars couldn't be any more G rated than that had been terminated. It's never been subversives. Yeah. I mean. All right. So, I fell. I understand you guys are going to Washington DC tomorrow for some type of JFK conference. Can you talk about that? And then we're going to go straight to Rao St. K with some stuff about Jack Ruby. Now, I can tell you all the big event that's sponsored by David Denton and Ed Taitro, Laurie and Fenton is organized and it's going to be at the holiday and express at the Dallas International Airport. Larry will be speaking on Saturday. I will be speaking on Sunday. Larry will be talking about new document releases. I'll be talking about its impruder film. Does the pruder film? Yeah. I like David Denton a lot. I saw him many, many years ago when I first started my JFK journey right there at the All Dwarfers Hotel. And Ed Taitro didn't want to talk to me. He wouldn't go on record. I had a radio show. But he said, oh, David Denton over there will do it. So he gave me a very good interview. And we've all come a long, long way since then. In fact, I remember Larry Rivera was proud that Doug Horn even mentioned his name. So that's coming a long, long way from that time that we were, that I was actually at the David Denton conference. And I had to call Larry. I said, Larry, Doug Horn, just mention your name and his research about the pruder film being altered. And that was a big deal for Larry. So look how far Larry has come since then. Well, I tell you, I got to issue a major apology because Larry's book was supposed to be available at this conference. I told him he could count on it. And it turned out to be so massive. We had to contemplate putting it in two volumes. Now it was double space. So our composer is going back and doing it single space. It'll probably be the largest single volume book we ever published. We're coming in just under 600 pages, chock full with all kinds of brilliant stuff. It takes 600 pages to slaughter the Warren commission like Larry's going to do. I really predict it's the best book on JFK and one volume, especially with 600 pages. So it's on. So I got a sub list waiting on it. So we're really excited about that. So anything else about the conference? Are you ready to get on with Ralph? That's quite a good lineup of speakers. I think it'll be an excellent conference, depending on how the weather affects things. Larry called me to confirm that everything was a go. I spoke with Lauren today and she affirmed the same. So we'll see how it plays out. But I think it's going to be a very successful event. Yeah, my parents are right here. Terrific. Yeah. Did you talk to Lauren about the UFO research? Yes, I did. I did. Gary, thank you. Yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. So let's go ahead and open up. Thank you. Our screen share and we'll start with Ralph, Dr. Ralph and Kay. Oh, I thank you. And all right, we're going to be talking. Am I being heard okay? Yes, sounds great. All right. Well, I'm going to be showing you some images tonight. I want to say first of all that most of what I'm showing you actually came from Amy Joyce, one of our members. And also the man whom we refer to, whom I refer to as the wizard. So a lot of this is their work and some very good work and in concerns to Jack Ruby, we've made more progress starting with this image here. Now, this is a famous image. This is supposed to be Jack Ruby at the Dallas Police Department on Friday, November 22nd. This was when he was stalking Oswald. And I've heard it reported as two different times. I've heard it say that this was at the midnight press conference. And I remember watching a program on ABC with Peter Jennings in which he referred to this as Friday afternoon. So I've seen it referred to both ways. But actually both of those claims are false. You see that newspaper in the background that that man is reading? Well, Amy Joyce got the bright idea of finding out exactly what paper that was in the date of it. And so please go to the next frame. Go to the next frame. Oh, that's what I wanted. Well, you can't read it here, but when you blow it up, go to the next frame. Our heritage, it says Dallas, Texas, Saturday, November 23rd, 1963. So this was actually a Saturday newspaper, which means that that photo was taken not on Friday, not Friday afternoon, not Friday night, but Saturday. Now it's important because of course I've been claiming for a long time that that guy was not Jack Ruby. And I still think he was not Jack Ruby. But now it turns out it wasn't even Friday afternoon or evening. And it was Saturday. And the fact is that Jack Ruby never even went to the Dallas Police Department on Saturday. Now, I want to make something very clear here that you know how there are a lot of phony Oswald sightings. I got a small one to a shooting firing range and that he was actually firing diagonally and other people's targets. And time for a car from a dealership crazy. Going to a car dealership and was speeding on the freeway. All kinds of phony Oswald sightings. Well, likewise, there are a lot of phony Ruby sightings. And this is an example of a phony Ruby sighting. And he did not go to the Dallas Police Department at all on Saturday. And I think that the best witness to that is Ruby himself. Because we always have to remember that Ruby accepted that he shot Oswald. He didn't deny it. He was told that he did it and he didn't dispute it. He assumed that since they're telling him he did, he must have done it. So as long as he was accepting that, there's no reason to think that he would lie about whether we went to the police station on Saturday. So the fact that he insisted, no, I didn't go there on Saturday. I think should be taken very seriously. There's really no reason to doubt him. And if you look at the record of what he did, you realize there was no room for it anyway. Because he was actually up all night Friday night. And that is into the wee hours on Saturday. He didn't go to bed Friday night until Saturday morning at 6 or 7 a.m. And then he slept until just about noon. And then he got up and he made some calls and he went to the carousel club. And then he went to Dealy Plaza. And he wanted to see the reefs that were put out for Kennedy. But he never went to the Dallas Police Department. So there's really no chance that that guy on the left was Jack Ruby. And it was definitely taken on Saturday and not Friday. Now the reason I put this image up is because the image on the right is you might say a brand new image of Jack Ruby. When I say brand new, I mean since recent is this year, I was never seen until a few months ago. It was taken from a parade in Dallas that occurred in 1960. And I don't know exactly how they realized that he was in it. But there's a few seconds of him. And it does appear to be him again, it's from 1960. And what you see him doing is a very peculiar thing in my opinion. You see him wearing that hat there. Now what he does is he takes the hat off and then he takes a comb and he combs the little bit of hair that he had. And then he puts the hat back on. That's what he's doing there is putting the hat back on after combing his hair. But you know, I have to wonder, first of all, if he's wearing a hat, why does he have to worry about whether his hair is combed? And secondly, if he's going to comb his hair and put his hat back on, well obviously the hat is going to mess up the hair. So it just seems like a very eccentric activity to me to be doing that. But that's what he did. Well, frankly, no. Of those two pictures, I would have thought the guy on the left was Ruby and the guy on the right is not. I mean, well, okay, but that is the exact opposite of the case. So the guy on the right is Ruby and the guy on the left is not. Well, the reason I put this image up is because I want you to come to their noses. The guy on the right, Ruby, as you can see, he did not have a sunken nasal tip. He did not have a hook nose. He had, in the field, they refer to it as having good tip elevation. He didn't have good tip elevation. There was nothing sunken about the tip of his nose. Whereas the guy on the left is got a nose like a bird. It's very hooked. It's a very Roman nose. It's very curved down. And they're very, very different. And there's really no way that those two men could be the same men. And there's another interesting thing is this. And this was only put forward recently by Randy Gunter, who's another one of our members, and he's very prominent on Facebook. But when you look at that image, it looks from this distance as though there's a little tough of hair on top of the head of the man on the left. But actually, what we're seeing there is the very top of the head and the hair of the man in the jacket that's standing deep to him. And so this particular man is really just about completely bold on top. And there's really no way that he could have been Jack Ruby. So the thing that I'm left with as a puzzlement is to wonder what really happened here. Is this a case in which there was a man there that just happened to look kind of sort of like Ruby and they decided afterwards to declare that he was Ruby? Or is this somebody that they groomed to be a Ruby double and placed there? Double gangered. And I am inclined, I'm more inclined to think that it's a Ruby double that they placed there. And it's a very spooky thing if it's true because you know how they had Oswald doubles. Well, if they had this Ruby double that was in the works for a while, it means that they had plans for him way before the assassination. Perhaps they didn't know what they were going to use for. But they definitely had plans to frame him. They had Patsy plans for him that went back months or longer. So just to review the betting habit you established the fellow on the right is the real Jack Ruby. Well, we have other images that are very satisfactory in comparison to him there. And I have another of him jumped him there that I'm going to show you that I also think is quite compelling. Let me overshade a thought of running these past Beverly Oliver who of course knew Jack Ruby. No, I never thought of that. Go to the next one now. Okay. Go to the next. All right, now the next. All right, now this is a very important thing to me. This is taken from a narrative, you might say a diary that Ruby wrote. And he wrote this after he was tried and after he was convicted and after he was sentenced to death. It's basically it was an autobiography really. And the weird thing is is they got a professional writer to help him. The first name was William Reed Woodfield. Have you ever heard of him Jim? No. Okay, well he was a prominent television screenwriter. He wrote a lot of TV shows. Probably the most famous one that he wrote was Mission Impossible. Remember? No, no, no, no. Yeah, I know the show. You know that spy show. And then Tom Hanks, I mean Tom Cruise ended up making several movie versions of it. But the original Mission Impossible was written by this guy, William Reed Woodfield. And they brought him in to help Ruby write his story, which I think is weird. I have to wonder who did it. I mean, did Ruby's lawyers do it? I can't imagine that they would have done it. So somebody I think on the other side did it. So anyway, he's talking about what happened on that Sunday morning. So he says, I reached the bottom of the ramp. He's speaking now being there at the side of the Oswald shooting. I didn't see anyone I knew. I put my hands into my pocket to be comfortable. And I walked to get a closer view of whatever was going to happen. Suddenly there was a great commotion. Out walked Oswald. He was about 10 feet from me. He came out all of a sudden with a smirky, defiant, cursing, vicious expression on his face. Now I want to stop for a second and point out that I don't think there's anything realistic about that description of Oswald there or anywhere else that we saw him. He wasn't vicious. He wasn't defiant. He certainly wasn't cursing. So I think in a way, Ruby was reading just from his own imagination into what he claims to have seen on Oswald. And then he said, I can't convey what impressions he gave me. There was no one standing by me. Suddenly this person pops out, meaning Oswald. And then he says this. This is Ruby. I must have pulled out my gun and taken a couple of steps. Now when a person says, an expression that I must have done something, what they're really doing is expressing doubt that they did it. Because if they knew they did it, he would have just said matter of fact. I pulled out my gun and took a couple of steps by couching it in that kind of expression. I must have done it means that well, they told me I did it. So I must have done it. But he's not really aware of having done it. And that's with his story always from beginning to end. It says, May the police could have blown my head off. I only shot him once. This was at 11, 23 minutes after the time of the wire. Now that's a parenthetical expression. And I haven't feeling that Mr. Westfield probably wrote it. I mean, I doubt that Ruby would have written it. And then he says, I had no thought of doing any violence to anyone when I went down there. I didn't even think about it. And I want you to think about something that I think is very supportive of that. And that is that if if we're Jack Ruby had any intention of shooting Oswald, he certainly would have showed up on time. The only time ever given was 10 a.m. And when it didn't happen at 10 a.m., there was no advisement. They didn't give any update. They didn't say, all right, it's going to happen now at 11 o'clock or 11 o'clock or 15. They didn't say anything. It was just all in the dark. So there's no way that anybody could have tipped Ruby off to come at 11, 20 because nobody would have known. They simply gave no advisement. The reporters were waiting, but they really had no idea when he was going to show up and they were just going to wait until he did. So there's really no way that Ruby could have known in advance that Ruby, that Oswald is going to be brought out at 11, 20. And I'll say something else. But you're intention to shoot someone to death. And you know it's going to happen in a certain time. Not only you're going to get there on time, but you're probably going to get there a little bit early because you know things can go wrong. You can get stuck in traffic. You're going to, you know, just like when you catch a flight, you don't show up two minutes before the flight. You get there early. Well, it's the same way if you're going to shoot somebody. So if he thought that Oswald was going to be shot at 10, certainly he would have gotten there by say 9.45, maybe even 9.30. So the fact that he came walking in at 11, 20 tells you that he had no intention of shooting Oswald. So then he says after that the only thing he can remember is being down on the floor. And I said to the police, you don't have to beat me. You don't have to beat my brains out. I'm Jack Ruby. What am I doing here? What are you guys jumping on before? Why am I here? I'm Jack Ruby. I'm not somebody that's wanted. Now whether he really said all that, well, we did say all that. The guy in the garage certainly didn't say all that because we can see it. There's a lot of y'all in the garage. If he said all that, we'd see him speaking. We presumably hear him speaking. At least we'd see his mouth moving that he was talking and the shooter never spoke that we can see. But the fact that Ruby would say all those things, Evan Straits said he was not aware of having done anything wrong. As far as he knew at that time, the police were jumping on him for no reason of which he was aware. They just jumped him. They just jumped him. They got me to the elevator. They brought me upstairs. They told me I shot Oswald. That was the first time I realized what I had done. And I said, oh my god, oh my god. All right, so that's the end of that. But you know, this is a very, very peculiar thing because of any one of us, we're in a situation where we went somewhere knowing we hadn't done anything. And then the police jumped us and told us, you know, you shot that guy. There is absolutely nothing that they could say that was convinced us that we did it if we knew we didn't do it. And what matter if there was a hundred of them telling us that we shot the guy or a thousand? Any one of us, if we knew we didn't do it, we would say, you are all full of shit. I didn't shoot anybody. We would never butch. We would never relent on that. Because we have confidence in our own cognitive ability. We wouldn't doubt ourselves. And not only that, but we would also know that we're not a person who would just go up and shoot somebody. It's just not who we are. It's impossible. But we could behave that way. And we would never give an inch on it. So the fact that Ruby allowed anybody to talk them into thinking that he shot Oswald just shows you how weak he was and his mind, you know, his, his, his, his, his, his, his, his ability to reason it was very, very compromised. Sorry, go to the next, the frame, please. All right, I brought you this because this is how the story of his narrative was titled. They told me I shot Oswald. I mean, they, they, I'm almost surprised that they allowed that to be the title of the story. Because it just emphasizes the fact that Jack Ruby had no memory of having shot Oswald. No, no, no, where does him doing it? And the only reason he, he came to accept that he did it is because he worshipped the thou's pleased so much that if they told him he did it, he just, when he just couldn't suspect them of lying. And so he therefore he, he accepted that he did it. But it's very, very strange thing. And I'll tell you something else that's strange. This case that I've described of Ruby being unaware that he shot Oswald and not finding out until afterwards is basically the basis for what the defense did for him at the trial. They basically said that he had no awareness that he did it. But he was basically unconscious at the time. It's like he was at a trance or he was in a just a sleepwalk kind of state. And therefore he had no moral responsibility for doing it because he wasn't even aware he was doing it. It was like a robot. Well, that argument was it was attacked by the prosecutor Henry Wade and he successfully got the jury to ignore it and to refuse to believe it. He basically told the jury that no, Ruby did this with full intent, full awareness. He made up his mind. I mean, the shoe-gobbles, he did it. And that's the basis on which they sentenced Ruby to death. However, after the trial was long over, it came to be accepted that what Ruby claimed was true. Even as early as 1978 when they made the TV movie called Ruby and Oswald, the way it was presented in the story was that Ruby goes into kind of an altered state and even had the actor kind of quivering his mouth like he was in some kind of trance and then he goes and shoots Oswald. And then as they're taking him upstairs, the police tell him in the elevator, you know, you shot Oswald and he asked, what? Maybe I shot Oswald. I mean, he acted like he was all surprised. And they presented that as a factual telling of what happened. So I think it's very interesting and kind of chilling in a way that the argument that they defeated at trial and got, you know, Ruby sentenced to death is the one that became the official story afterwards that he really did it unconsciously. All right, keep going. That's going to the next thing. All right, now I'm changing this subject here. And this is kind of an interesting thing. And I forget now, I think it might have been the wizard who actually made this observation. But I want you to compare these two images. Notice on the left that you've got this air conditioning duct and it's crossing across the top of the ceiling. But it is inset from the corner. It's, I don't know, a foot or maybe 18 inches deep to the corner. He's got a little arrow there, red arrow, that indicates where the corner of the building is there. And then further in, you can see where a larger arrow is pointing to the edge. And then above it, you see the arrow with two points. And that shows you the span between the corner and where the air conditioning duct appears to be. But in the image on the right, you can see that the air conditioning duct looks flush with the corner of the building. So this is a contradiction. It's a dichotomy. They both can't be true. And we believe that the one on the right is the one that represents the actual, accurate condition in that hallway. And the one on the left is a false representation. Now the question is, why did they do it? Why would they think of things like this? Well, first of all, let me say that in the discussions I had with Ruby, I mean with the wizard and with Amy Joyce. And they're the ones that really devoted the time to this. And I wish that Amy could have been here tonight. I know she wanted to be. But we decided that we really don't have an entirely firm explanation for why they did it. But we have a speculative one. And I'm going to explain it to you. And that is it concerns some of the detectives who were standing on the other side of the cubby hole here, particularly in this detective Lowry. And then the one next to him, detective, calm best. They were actually standing and they were facing the main street ramp from which Ruby came down. So the question arose that they should have seen Ruby when he was coming down. And so they needed to be an explanation as to why they didn't see him because they didn't claim to see him. Lowry claimed that he didn't see Ruby until he bolted to shoot Oswald. So they only saw him a second or so before the shot actually went off. That's where he came. He didn't lay eyes on him prior to that. Go to the next image for me please, Sugary. Is this the door that they let Oswald out of? Yeah, that's the door that they brought Oswald. It's the same door on the right here. This image is cropped more than this one. But yeah, this is the door that they came out. And I'll tell you another weird thing before you change it. And you can tell you what you think about it. But there's absolutely no doubt that Oswald was let out that side door. Not through the double doors, but through the side door. Fritz came out that door and then a few seconds later, the detective LaVelle and his partner Graves, the trio of them and Oswald came out that side door. But the time that Jim LaVelle has put on a demonstration of, you might say, a reenactment of what happened. He has led the Oswald subject out to double doors. It's almost like he forgot that he came out the side door. And that has happened multiple times that he has used the double door. In fact, the last time they did it was when Gary Mack was still alive and they put on a reenactment of the Oswald shooting. And so they had the real James LaVelle there and they had somebody who was representing Oswald and they had somebody who was representing Graves. And they all came marching out the double doors. Now you would think of guy like Gary Mack, supposed to be a researcher, practically an historian of the assassination. Supposedly one of the most well-read people that there was. And somebody who was supposed to be very, very familiar with all the images and all the movies. Well, how could he not realize that they came out the side door? It was really kind of ridiculous that they did it that way, but that's how they did it. And then what they did was something that I think was even more ridiculous. You know, there were lights. And one of the excuses that people gave for why they didn't see Ruby is because of the blinding lights of all the television cameras. Well, when we see the films, we watch the various footages, the NBC footage, the carer, all the footage, and the other footages, we can see how light they were. And they weren't that bright. They weren't that bright. But when they filmed it that day, they had all these very heavy, heavy flashes. And they made it so blinding that, yeah, you couldn't see anything. But that was not an accurate replication of what had happened anyway. So that was another false thing that I'd contribute to Gary Mech. All right, go to the next. Before we go, the angle's not exactly the same mind you. I'm wondering whether both photographs could be accurate from their perspective. Well, I'll tell you what, I don't really think so, Jim. I'll tell you why because it was actually a little bit of an abutment that you that you can see in both images. And it appears as a vertical line. Now, there's nothing I can do at a point to it. But if you, in other words, there's a, there's a, you've got the wall coming that is flush with the door. And then it reaches an abutment where there's a little bit of a projection. And it appears to us as a line. And you can see it in both images of vertical line. And then you get to the corner. And then, and then when you get to the corner, of course, it goes around the corner. And, but the one who drew this was the wizard. And, and I do, having seen it larger, I can tell you that he didn't do it accurately. That where the little red arrow is, is the corner. And it corresponds to the one red arrow that we see on this side. Anyway, go to the next image, if you would. All right, this is another image I just want to demonstrate. And again, this is the work of the wizard. This is the UPI ABC film. And you can see here that the air conditioning duck is perfectly flush with the corner. And you can see the abutment in this one too. Again, it's very faint here, but there's a little bit of a vertical line because there was a, just a piece that sort of jutted out a little bit from the rest of the wall. And it appears to us as a very, very faint line. But so the anyway, the air conditioning duck definitely was at the corner. It was not in set. Go to the next image, if you would. All right, now I want to read this testimony. This was the testimony of Lowry. And this is the reason I think why the wizard and Amy Joy started thinking that they may have messed with that because they were interested in using that air conditioning duck as an alibi for this guy, not seeing Ruby when he came down the ramp. So, he says the investigator says, did you see anybody coming down and he's referring to the mainstream ramp? He says, no, sir, if you will notice this indicating there's an offset here. So he even used the word offset, Jim. That's what he's talking about. From my position, I would only see a short distance up the ramp. And there's also a drop down air conditioning, central heating unit back in here that if my view hadn't been obstructed on that side, I would have been able to see I would not have I was unable to see more than a few feet up the ramp. Now, that's it's not true. We've looked at images from that angle. And really, he could see, if not all the way, most of the way up the ramp. So what he said wasn't true. I understand from your state, this is the investigator again. I understand from your statement that you cannot have seen their faces as they came down the ramp because of the obstruction. But you could have seen their feet, couldn't you? And he wouldn't even be able to work. Okay, so you got this air conditioning thing, but it wasn't blocking the feet. So, Larry says, no, Larry says, no, I wouldn't be able to. I didn't see anybody coming down the ramp. They could have possibly gotten down there without me seeing them. But I didn't see any feet or any person coming down the ramp at all. And again, I didn't bring it, but we have an image which shows the ramp. And from where he was standing at that corner, he certainly would have seen. So as far as I'm concerned, this is all excuse making. This is all just the big alibi for basically making up an excuse for reason why he didn't see Ruby when he came down the ramp. Anyway, you go on to the next image. All right, Jim, this gets us back to that image I showed at the beginning and you asked about Ruby and whether this was really Jack Ruby. It's from WFAA. That's the local, I think it's an ABC affiliate. And they're still going today in their endowas. And I remember I said to you that what he does in this at this parade. And I don't know exactly when in 1960 it was. If it was say in the spring, I'm sure it wasn't my dad, it was in the winter, but it was in the spring. That would have meant that it was three and a half years before the assassination. And I remember when I said that what he does is he's standing there, he's wearing a hat. And then he takes the hat off just for the purpose of combing his hair. And then he very, very carefully puts the hat back on. So he's holding the comb in his hand there and he's combing his hair. But what this shows that is so important is just how little hair he had. Notice how much scalp you're seeing on top of his head. He had a few long strands that he combed back. You know I often make a joke about this that you hear about men having a comb over where they're taking hair from the side and combing it over this way. Well, he was doing, he happened to have a few strands in front and he was basically bold entirely behind it. And so he had a comb back. So he let his few strands in front grow very long and he would just comb them back to try to cover up as much scalp as he could. But as you can see there, he's got a lot of daylight and there really is not much hair at all on the top of his head. But the other thing I want you to think about is the fact that this was 1960 and it was three and a half years before. And a man can lose a lot of hair. He's in the direction of losing hair and Ruby was that in three and a half years, I mean, he can get a lot bolder than he was. So three and a half years later, he can be a lot bolder. We know that was true of Billy Love Lady. I mean, we look at the picture of Billy Love Lady from the 1950s, which they claimed to me from 1959 and we compare the amount of hair he had at the time of the assassination. He lost a lot of hair in three and a half years. And so in other words, if this is as little as hair Ruby had in 1960, well, he certainly had less and not more in 1963. So he really was quite bold. He really didn't have a whole heck of a lot of hair. All right, so go to the next image. Yep. Why does sure it looks like Bill Newman right there, doesn't it? Yeah, well, yeah. Okay. All right. Now, this is an image of Jack Ruby from his trial. I don't know if he's standing there with one of his lawyers. And if you look at that picture, you certainly get the impression that he's got some of that temporal diamond shape to his hair. But other than that, he looks like he's got good coverage all across the top of his head. And it is certainly the gross exaggeration of the amount of hair he had. So there was a policy throughout the US media to depict Jack Ruby with more hair than he had. And I'm going to get to the reason why later. And it's only a speculation, but it is weird. And it's also very chilling to think about how widespread the practice was of showing Jack Ruby with more hair and makes me think that even back then that the CIA or at least the US intelligence community had people planted throughout the US media, basically at every major newspaper that they had their people controlling content, controlling images and making sure that, you know, the right story and the right message was being sent. And I suspect if anything, it's worse today than it was then, but it was even bad then. All right, go to the next image. All right, here's another image. That's supposed to be Jack Ruby. And again, look at his hair. It seems a little receded, but yet beyond the recession, it looks like thick, carpeted hair. You really get the sense that he had a lot of hair up there. And it is much, much, much more than he actually had. This is another example of an image showing Jack Ruby with much more hair than he had. Okay, go to the next one. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yeah. You think that knows as the same as the guy with a very straight nose before no book here? Yeah, I'm satisfied. I mean, even though, you know, his nose looks bulbous, it's not actually hooked though. I mean, there's not really any dissent there. It's basically, you know, it's still considered an elevated tip. So, no, I still, yeah, I'm satisfied that that's his nose. And that's about how it was. All right, go to the next image, please. All right, now I put this up again just to remind you that even at the time they were depicting him as being practically bald. And yet later on, supposedly, you know, at his trial, he suddenly has all this hair on his head. So in a way, they're contradicting themselves that they would think that this guy with the hook nose and no hair on top was Jack Ruby. And then showing later, this good coverage, go to the next image. You'll see again what I mean. All right, this is probably, you might say, the most outrageous image of all in terms of showing Jack Ruby with a ridiculous amount of hair, which you most certainly didn't have. I mean, that really looks almost like it to pay. And again, this was art that was done to the thing. They basically drew that in there. And it shows such a dog and determination to show Ruby with a lot of hair. And I really just don't understand. I mean, I do understand, but what I mean is I don't understand how they could have the goal to do it. Because surely there were plenty of people who knew Jack Ruby and knew what he looked like. For example, why didn't his own family complain when an image like that was shown? You know, Jack's hair did not look like that. Maybe they did complain in private. But, you know, we never heard about them complaining. But that is definitely a false image of Jack Ruby's hair. Anyway, go to the next image. This one may be the last. This is the image of the shooter from the Jackson photo. And you might say, and in fact, there's no doubt that this is the most famous image of the shooter that there is because the Jackson photo of the Osmo shooting is the most famous photographic image of the shooting by far. It's more famous than any of the film images. It's more famous than the beer's image. It's more famous than the Johnston image. This is, you might say, the go-to image. It's the poster boy for the entire Oswald shooting. And when you look closely at this image, you're seeing very thick hair and back there. And it's also very long here. Can you see how that hair is curling up at the bottom? It really looks like a mop. I mean, it really has just a very, very, very thick look. And even though from this distance, we can't see it too well, Amy Joyce pointed out that it's even very thick and woolly at the sideburn. And especially for a man about time, because this is pre-beatals. Long hair wasn't in yet. And this would have actually been very long hair for a man in 1963. But what we suspect is that that's a two-pay, that James Bookout, who is an FBI agent. And one thing that we notice is that not only the FBI agents, but really all the law enforcement people were there here, very close-crop. I mean, they all had kind of athletic haircuts like swimmers where it was very, very shames around the years. And so every single FBI agent, and James Bookout was an FBI agent. And I think that they definitely wanted to move away from that. They didn't want to suggest that the shooter was as grew as very, you know, sharply groomed as an FBI agent. So I think that he wore a hairpiece there. And that's what we're seeing in back and a sideburn. Every bit of that is phony hair that he was wearing as a wig. But when you see here that thick and that long, your natural tendency is to presume that he had an equal amount of hair under the hat on top. If usually if a man is completely bold on top, he wouldn't wear the hair around the sides very long. And furthermore, you know, when a man loses all his hair on top, even though he'll keep his hair around, you know, the ears, that hair will also thin. So it won't be as thick as a mop like you're seeing here on him. So anyway, we're getting the impression in general, even with the hat that this is a man that a lot of thick hair. And he had it throughout his head. And that I think is the reason why they started doctoring Jack Ruby's hair and making him seem like he had more hair than he did because they were trying to fulfill the message that came with this photo. They were looking at a hairy guy here, a guy who had a lot of hair on his head and that he wore it long and that it curled up at the bottom. And this is the reason why they they had to doctor his his hairline and all the images of him that we have. Now I think that's all the images I said, right? As I said, supplement on your previous research on. All right. Well, I mean, how much time do we have, Vagary? Probably 15 minutes for sure. All right. Good. Well, because you know, I've been thinking about the whole situation with Ruby. I'd like to just news a little bit for your listeners and your viewers. I've been thinking about Ruby and I want to say first of all, with no wish of being unkind, that he was not a very smart man. He had very little education and you know, he came from a household in which I don't think there were any, you might say, intellectuals. And he was a kind of a seat of his pants kind of a guy. I mean, he was you know, he was a little bit street savvy, but you know, he wasn't very smart and he certainly wasn't educated and he just wasn't a very good thinker to begin with. But then I think he had some very serious mental problems and the thing that I'm not sure of is to what extent were these mental problems to result of the drugs that he was taking and to what extent, you know, were they just the result of him being him because, you know, there are people that have mental illnesses who, you know, they don't necessarily have a history of drug use. They just have a history of mental illness. So you can happen without any drugs at all. But he was a very heavy user of amphetamine type drugs. And on the day of the Oswald shooting, what he claimed was that he took twice as usual dose of amphetamines. And then he said he took like seven other pills. He never explained what those pills were. And I wonder sometimes that maybe he didn't explain, but that it was taken out of the narrative that got published. But why would a person say took seven more pills and then they're not tell you what the pills were or the reason why he took them. So it seems to me that they may have edited that. But he took a whole lot of drugs that morning for reasons that we simply don't know. And then again, I can only speculate to what extent his mind was impaired by the drugs as opposed to being impaired just by itself. But again, I want to say that on the day of the assassination, Ruby had no awareness of shooting Oswald. They told them afterwards that he did it. And he didn't question it. And the reason he didn't question it is because he loved the Dallas police. Now when I say he loved the Dallas police, I am quoting him. It's in his narrative in which he says, I love the Dallas police. And now he said that after they not only charged him and pounded on him in the garage there, stripped him to his underwear, and then had a doctor perform a rectal examination on him. Can you imagine that they actually ordered Dr. Bieberdorf, the medical student, 25 years old, to perform a rectal examination on Ruby just in the event that he stuffed a weapon into his anus. Can you imagine? Even then, you would think. Because you would think that just instinctually when they told them, look, we got an exam in you to make sure you didn't shove a gun up your butt. That he might have objected and said, listen, I don't have a butt up. I've got up there. And I am not going to cooperate with that. You're going to have to get a warrant from a judge or something because I refuse. Okay. You want to try to get to me. You know, put them up. I mean, I would think that he might have put up some resistance, but he was so docile, so cooperative. And he actually made a joke about it after the exam was done. He actually told the doctor, I got to tell you, that was the worst massage I ever got in my life. And I think it's pretty funny. But anyway, but it goes to show you. And then you know, and he's trial. And he's trial. Not only did the officers like Lamell and Graves and others testify against him that he shot Oswald, but they were giving testimony that he was a homosexual and other things. And even after they said all those things about him, he still was willing to say and to put in print that he loved the Dallas police. So he had a devotion and dedication to them that the only comparison I could make is that they were like his superheroes. You know, the way a little kid can just, you know, really adore Spider-Man or Batman or some other superhero and wear the costume on Halloween and do, you know, all that kind of stuff like that. Well, basically that's the way Jack Ruby was towards the Dallas police. And it's an example of what I consider to be his very childlike personality in nature. He was a very, very childlike, you know, immature person. And and and I think they knew this about him and they were keenly aware of just how totally enamored with them he was. And I think that somebody, and I don't know who, but somebody, somebody must have come up with the idea, you know, if we can get Ruby there, we can just tell him that he shot Oswald and if we tell him that he did it, he's going to believe us. You see, Ruby, because of two things, because of his tremendous drug use, taking all these amphetamines. And because of his severe sleep deprivation, he was one of those guys that routinely stayed up all night. He would very, very often just catch two or a couple hours sleep, you know, maybe sleep from, you know, six to nine or something and call it a whole night sleep. There's a guy named, named Ken Rum, ROHM, who's got a website that's called the timeline of Jack Ruby. And in it, he has collected all of the reports, including Ruby's reports, but also the reports of others, of Ruby's activities during the last four days, the Thursday, the Friday, the Saturday, and the Sunday. And in the course of those three nights, there's, Jack Ruby got a total of seven hours sleep in three nights. And that was actually typical of him. He often went, and he typically just, he was such a chronic insomnia. Now, here's what happens to people who are just extreme, extreme, who suffer with extreme sleep deprivation. What can happen to them is they can crash. They can just literally suddenly just sort of doze off, or they can just go into a kind of a half sleep-like state in which they're kind of half asleep, half awake. And then they do things. And then later on, people tell them, you know, you realize what you did? Yeah, you got up on the table and you were dancing, blah, blah, blah. And the person just has no memory of doing it. And Ruby was used to that. He was used to being told that he did outrageous things at the club in the wee hours in the morning. That mean, being told the next day that he did that. And then, and he would have no memory of doing it. So when they told him that he shot Oswald, he was already used to being told that he did things that he couldn't remember doing it. And so he probably thought it was another one of these little lapses that he has. You know, sometimes they refer to it as a blank out. You know, a blackout is when you just, you know, you know, collapse completely and you just are completely unconscious. But a blank out is where you're just kind of in this half-translite state. You're kind of half-sleep walking, but yet you're still doing things. And that's really what Ruby probably thought afterwards when they told him, you know, that he had shot Oswald. But in the remaining time, I like to make a little bit of a comparison between Oswald and Ruby, you know, because of us, and I mean Jim, you and me and Larry and a lot of other people, Oswald has come a long way. I mean, Oswald is going to be acquitted by history. I have no doubt about that. I mean, I don't know exactly when it's going to happen. But his innocence has been established so well that I have no doubt that at some point in the future, the official story is going to completely collapse and it will simply go away. Just like the lies that the Soviet Union told about how the Romanov family died, you know, they tried to hide the fact that the Bolsheviks slaughtered them, all of them, the children and all. They lied about the massacre of the Polish officers and the Katan forest and World War II, tried to blame it on the Nazis when it was really, you know, the Soviets that did it. So these state lies, they collapse, and the one about Oswald is going to collapse too. And Oswald himself, at least was a good defender of himself. He lived two days and in those two days, there are 13 times that I know of in which he very vigorously and vociferously declared his innocence. I didn't shoot anybody. No sir, I didn't. He said things like that. And even at the Midnight press conference, he was a very good advocate for himself. He was the most civilized, the most reasonable person there. In fact, he was making such a good defense of himself that they had to put all kinds of phony noise into the video to make it sound like nobody was paying attention to him. And they were then claps and they had noise of sudden doors slamming. They even had a guy, they even had a military sound, something like, then, because they were just creating noise to make it sound like nobody was listening to him. But he did a very good job defending himself. So I always used to say that, you know, Oswald was the man I pity most on earth for having been the most wrong man whoever lived. But I actually feel now that Ruby in a way is the most wrong man who ever lived because at least Oswald got to say he didn't do it. At least he got to say that he was just a patsy. But poor Ruby was so befuddled. He was so confused. He was so much in the dark about what really happened that he died not knowing what they did to him, not knowing what happened. And he was completely, completely, totally in the dark. So basically the difference is that Oswald is really on the verge of being vindicated. It's going to take just very little more before the entire story of his guilt is going to just collapse and implode. And he's going to come out of this all right. Whereas in comparison, Ruby, all we've done really is just make a beach head. We've landed on the beach of Normandy. We've basically secured about 200 yards of beach. But we still have the whole continent of Europe to liberate yet before we're going to get to where Ruby is going to get justice for having been wrong and having been framed and never having shot anybody. And so there's a lot further to go. And like I say, I feel in a way that at least Oswald was standing on his own two feet. He got to defend himself. He had 48 hours or nearly 48 hours to declare his innocence. And he did. He did it well. They lost a lot when they failed to kill Oswald in the fear. They hope to. They plan to. And the thing is they didn't have anybody in that theater that just was outright, you know, instructed to kill him. Those were cops that they just felt that the pressure of the circumstance and the fact that Oswald was armed, which he was, that would have been enough that somebody would have shot him. But and somebody got closure. I'm sure that one of those cops holding the, you know, the rifles, somebody may have done it, but it turned out nobody did. And the result was that Oswald got to live for nearly two more days. And he got to advocate for himself. And he did himself a lot of good. And it's one of the reasons why he's come so far. And with our help about exposing the fact that he was standing in the doorway at the time of the shooting. And all of the other things that he is going to get off. And I have simply no doubt about it. And I hope the same is going to happen to for Jack Ruby. But he does have a lot of fun to go, all we've done is just, you know, lit the first candle for him. There's a lot more work to be done. But in my mind, I want you guys to know that I am just as certain that Jack Ruby was innocent as I am that Lee Harvey Oswald was innocent. And I will leave it at that. Thanks for two of this and he has a champion in you, Ralph, because you don't much from Lee Oswald. You may be able to replicate your success with Jack Ruby. We'll see. I'll do my best. But again, there's a lot for him to go. And I realize that. All right. I agree with that. All right. Ralph, in K, you've done a lot to Lee. You've been doing a lot for Jack. And you've done lots of new JFK show. All right. Jim, anything last words? No, I think it was really quite remarkable and a wonderful supplement to Ralph's earlier work. I want to wish you guys the best of luck with your new format on the new station. And I think it's very regrettable that you've been persecuted the way you have. But it's only because you're good at what you do that they're doing it. And I really applaud you for having the determination to just keep going. You found a way to go around them. And and I'm going to advance this as much as I possibly can. Yeah. Everyone, we need to push out there. We're on one five three news. Dot net one five three news. Dot net. And everyone needs to email that to everyone that we know that loves JFK because that's our new home. All right. I'll get it up on the Oswald instant blog. Thank both of you. Thank you. JFK show number 186. Have a good. Good night, man. Thank you. All right.