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Escape From Al Qaeda, Jimmy and JoAnne Moriarty True Story Exposes NATO Atrocities in Libya

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Escape From Al Qaeda, Jimmy and JoAnne Moriarty True Story Exposes NATO Atrocities in Libya

Escape from Al Qaeda in Libya “A True NATO War story”
https://libyanwarthetruth.com/sites/default/files/escape_from_al_qaeda_in_libya_jj.pdf
This is story about 2 Americans who found themselves trapped in the middle of a bloody nightmare; captured by Al Qaeda and sentenced to death during the NATO invasion of Tripoli 2011. They were saved by 3 distinct miracles. Jimmy is an extremely bright, outspoken, off the grid, kind of guy. He is a businessman/entrepreneur and a risk taker. He has been an insider in the netherworld of international banking and understands the power and greed that exists in that world. He has earned his “swagger” by being in the company of world leaders and fortune 100 presidents. He is experienced and has been successful in a myriad of international businesses. JoAnne is a fearless supporter of Jimmy and a standalone businesswoman; best described as a maverick working inside male dominated industries and cultures and undaunted by it. She is intelligent, quick minded and intuitive. She has a soft yet strong, fearless demeanor and is highly skilled in computer technologies. She is passionate about justice and truth.

Who are James and Joanne Moriarty?
http://www.libyanwarthetruth.com/who-are-james-and-joanne-moriarty-our-story-intro
We were business people doing business in Libya since 2007 January. We made a unique enzyme that rejuvenates oil wells and cleans up sludge pits, cleans out pipelines and tanks and does a whole lot of neat things to oil. We booked a huge amount of business in Libya from 2007 to 2011: 5 billion dollars worth of our product. We signed a JV with the Social Security Investment Fund of Janzour near Tripoli, Libya. We actively began to build a production facility to fulfill these contracts for our enzyme when the so called Libyan revolution began in February of 2011

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Please welcome Jimmy and Joanne. Thank you all so much. I hope everybody brought a sack lunch and a flashlight because we got a 20 hour program put on the night. We've got lots of information. And I'm the dancing bear. The brains of this duo is right here. Joanne keeps everything running. But we were business people and we ended up being witnesses to horrendous NATO atrocities. And because of that, our government has targeted us and ruined us. And our story is gripping but it's also tragic. And everything we're telling you all came from our personal experiences. And because we got to know the Libyan people real well and the many years we were there developing our business, they began to trust us and they have been providing us nonstop intelligence on Al Qaeda and Sal Sheree and all those entities in Libya, North Africa. And we've been trying for two and a half years to pass it upstream to Washington DC. And finally after 9-11, the different agencies and folks started talking to us and we found out that all the information we were passing upstream went nowhere. It was being blocked at the very top. And we told them if you're not going to do anything with this information, why should we have those good people in Libya risk their lives to get this information for you? They had no answers. But all the intelligence agencies have admitted that they have no intelligence anymore in Libya. And there are ways that two people sitting in the woodlands Texas can touch any part of Libya and get absolute intelligence about what's going on. That's because we're people, they're people. And we treated them with respect. And they're the only foreigners that they trust. And we've been appointed as their official spokesperson. And that's another reason that this government here would like to see us dead and buried. And they have done a pretty damn good job of ruining us. And it's tough for us, but the only hope we have of living is for more people than our story because the more people know our story, the more protection we have. So please y'all, when you hit your knees, be sure and pray for us because we need it. Okay. You're going to start. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Hi. He does all the talking mostly because he's a much better speaker than I am. And I'm the computer expert. So I do that side. But I answer questions. Anybody has questions? I'll be happy to speak. And I do speak about the women in Libya. And I speak to the tribal leaders every day, every single day. They pass me information. Just 10 minutes before this meeting started, I got an urgent message from them that Sufian Gamo, who has been Laden's driver, who is in Libya in the eastern part, put out a call to G-Hud all across North Africa, through Egypt, through all the Arab countries. They want all radical, extremist Muslims, I call them, or al-Qaeda people, to rise up against the United States. All areas of the United States embassies in all those countries, they're going to bomb the oil. They're going to do everything they can to kill every American citizen in those countries. That just came out just 10 minutes before this started. So we passed it to Dr. Korsi and we hope he gets that out right away. But that's the kind of information we get all the time. Dr. Jerome Korsi, yes, with WND, he works with us. He's in transit right now. We plan to have him on us with Skype tonight. And unfortunately, he's caught in traffic. And then when we got this piece of information, he said, I've got to move on the essence, so he's going to pull over and address this issue because it's a serious promise of G-Hud against all Americans. Any radical Islamist is to attack Americans when and where they can. Now, the reason you should be real concerned about this, and this is what we've been trying to tell the government for since October of 2011, the head of al-Qaeda in Libya has owned the passport office in Libya since October of 2011. And from two different sources, we know that they are issuing new names and new Libyan passports to several hundred radicals a month. They're being funded with four to five million dollars here in the United States. They're receiving permanent green cards and multi-entry visas. And if that doesn't scare you to death, then something's wrong. And whenever we told these four intelligence agencies, who incidentally we found out that the only reason they look normal is because they travel with a professional cabinet maker to keep the nose filed down. But they all lie. They all lie. They all lie. They all lie. They all lie humorous, you know. But these kinds of pieces of information are critical for us. And when our government is not protecting us, something's definitely wrong. We're going to start the PowerPoint and we'll go through this. A brief overview of the series of what happened to us, how we got into Libya. Okay. Okay. Now then, our business, we were exclusive marketing folks for some real neat proprietary products that rejuvenated all wells and cleaned up pipelines and sludge pits and chicken fat and everything else. And we've been doing a lot of business around the world and Libya was a new market because they've had no technology for 38 years. We first went to Libya in January 2007, not expecting to do any business at all. They accepted us so well. They liked us. They asked us to stay over long and short. We met all the ministers at that time and we signed a contract to treat 2500 monster wells in Libya. That was a billion dollar worth of business. Now, that's a home run in anybody's business. We were proactive to build production plans to fulfill those requirements. And we then went back and studied how to become a direct pay from the Libyan government. And we did a real good job of that. And we spent a lot of money at everything, pretty well in place, but couldn't find the right Libyan partner. Joanna and I started building a production plant in the Houston Ship Channel area. We were about 95% completed with that when Hurricane Ike came along. I've never been accused of being too smart and I didn't take out rising water insurance and that production plan's now sitting out in the middle of the Gulf. Thank you very much. Ike, pardon me. And so we then went back to Libya and in January of 2011, we signed a joint venture agreement with the Gen Zora Social Security Investment Fund. It was about a $16 billion fund. All the retirees who were beneficiaries of that fund were all field service. So we had the perfect marriage. We shipped in feed stock, materials and everything to build that plant. And those arrived about the third week after the uprising, after the takeover of Libya started. So that was a complete loss. We pardon me. Let's go ahead. This is a little bit about what we do is we do a medical grade DNA manipulation of microbes and producing enzyme that looks like an agile enzyme does a lot of neat things for oil. And we actually changed the surface from oil wet to enzyme wet and we coathed the surface with our enzyme and knew all doesn't stick. So when we enhance oil production, the wells last about three years between treatments where a halibut and treatment lasts about 45 days. We average about 250% increase in oil production. So it's a real neat product. The two products, one of them is really oil field based and they're about 70% of all the wells in the world are candidates for our products. The other one is an environmental remediation product and we can clean up diesel spills where when we're finished you can plant your garden there. We can clean up PCBs and spills on water. We've done treatments for the government at two superfund sites. We cleaned up, made with fueling station, new England, the biggest in the world. So we've done a lot of really very accomplished things with our product. Now that's historic I just went through. Now I'm going to tell you about Libya before NATO blew it up. When a young couple got married, they were given a $46,000 gift from the government. The average salary in Libya was $15,800. That's the highest in Africa, higher than India or China. They built condos. They were in the process of building 670,000 condos and your new condo, which would be at least 2,000 square feet, cost you 10% of your salary for 20 years and then it was paid for. Your utilities were paid. That was water, gas, sewer, etc. Gasling was 44 cents a gallon. Your hospitalization was paid. If you couldn't get it done in Libya anywhere in the world and they not only paid your hospital expenses but paid your travel expenses and family members to travel with you. Education was paid, whatever extensor brain would support. And if you studied outside of Libya, they paid two tuition fees, books and living expenses. Young man we knew was getting his doctorate in England. His monthly stipend was $4,950. That's about $7,000 a month. It was a month of college and college. The living people were happy. There were less than 5% of them that didn't like their government. Their literacy, one of the highest in the world. Men and women were both literate. Women were emancipated. Your first car cost you half of dealer invoice. There was warehouses all over the country, full of food. And if you were hungry or you were short of money or whatever you could go to anybody, go one of those warehouses and load up with food. Rice, flour, cheese, milk and enough money to slaughter an animal for your family. During Ramadan every personal living could go to the bank and get a $500 denar gift. That was about $425. No questions asked. The all the children in Libya, 100% of all the children were inoculated. Highest of any place in the country. I mean in the world, yes. And we saw Libya develop. When we went in there in 2006 and 2007, it was just half of the treaty was signed and they were then opened up and began to develop that country. Very, very rich country. They spend only about half of the money that they take in from their oil and gas sales. And at that they had about $251 billion in cash and cash equivalence of treasuries in the Federal Reserve here. That had about 150 billion euros in the euro-clear system. That's over $500 billion. They were a socialist country but the difference in their socialism in most other places is the government was taking its money and spreading it out amongst the people. Here the folks like take money out of our pocket and give it to somebody else. But it was an unusual place in population 5.5 million before NATO blew the place up. NATO killed a half million Libyans under the auspices of protection and civilians. This is pictures of Libya before and after. And this is one of our favorite restaurants before and after. Let's see the next one. You can see that the country was, I mean the development there was pretty. It was the Mediterranean. These are hotels. These are homes. These are not military installations that are blown up. Let's go to the next one. They had Roman ruins there. Pristine Roman ruins. Leptus Magno was the biggest Roman city in the world in 2000, larger than Rome or any place. And all of those artificial pristine, you can walk on the mosaic floors. You could reach down and pick up a piece of mosaic if you were a thief. But beautiful places and they let you all the way into all those facilities. They're not restricted from going any place. Camels of course, they like to drink camel's milk and some stuff made out of dates and seeds and everything. Gold jewelry. Women in Libya love gold jewelry when they get married there to be bedecked with gold. So any man aspiring to get married has to have some money. He has to be deck his bride had to tell. And we weren't been causing our first trip in there. And they suggested that I bedecked Joanne. So she had the head gear and all the way down here and up here and all around here. Offalist looks she ever gave me. She didn't like that at all. She didn't like it. She didn't like it. But the living women like that. This is some of their pottery. This is the road. You can see downtown triple there and this is the main highway. I'm sorry. If I'm blocking your old view just power at me. It's going to die. How come? It's red. It's red. The damn drone. I'm too good. If you all hear some buzzing, it's sorry about that. Let's go to the next picture. This is an old P-house in Gdams, an old, old, old slave trading city on the far west side of Libya. And this is this, this, Garyon, they dug holes in the ground because the clay was just right and they lived in caves. And they did that until 1969. It was amazing place. This is in Tripoli right near the, the museum. This is some of the old Roman latrines. And there were communicative latrines. When the Romans would go over there and hike up their, their skirts and they'd all sit there and talk to each other and read the newspaper and pass the time of morning or whatever. Now then, Arab Spring didn't exist. Dennis Kucinich broke the story that in October of 2010 there were war games played by the United States, France and England to invade and take over a North African or rich dictatorship. Not mentioned. There were going to be 11 shifts that passed into the Mediterranean. They're going to know fly his own and they're going to kill whoever was necessary to take over that country. The date for that was the 16th of March. They beat it by a month. So there was no popular uprising. There was no Arab Spring. That was all a bunch of hogwash. And that was planned in advance. And the NATO funneled in all that money. They were providing arms and weapons to Al Qaeda. And why Al Qaeda? Because the Libyans were happy with their government, happy with their life. There was less than 5% of the Libyans that were radical. And Gaddafi and that government constantly fought to keep those guys down. So in order to take over that country, the United States brought in 250,000 of the most radical psychopathic murdering bastards that ever grew a breath. And that's who we paid and that's who we continue to pay and supply them with weapons and everything else to overrun that country. And if it had not been for that money and those people, Libyan never would have even considered an uprising. We saw it. We were there. And then I left on the 8th of February. The fighting started on the 16th of February. And within an hour in 18 different cities in Libya, the police stations were fire bombed. Within an hour, now this is supposedly a peaceful uprising. I don't think so. The police were killed. The weapons were taken. They then next went to the weapons depots of the military. They went in with bulldozers, with special grappling hooks. They knocked over the fence where the tank was on the other side, pulled it out, pardon me, pulled it out, turned the tank around, started firing on the military. And the Libyan military was not firing on anybody because they didn't really understand what was going on. And the Libyan's the most non-confrontational people you've ever met. And the people in Libya did not have weapons. We knew very, very well the ex ambassador to Tunisia. His entire weapons catch was a Chinese made .22 air rifle. People in Libya did not have weapons. So this is all hogwash about Arab Spring. The Tunisia and Egypt were just preludes to get Libya. Libya was the prize. Now then the fact-finding commission, we were asked to go in there in April to head a fact-finding commission to really determine what was going on in Libya because the story from inside Libya and the story from the media were diametrically opposed. And we went in there and we actually ended up being trapped inside triply for over 100 days. But we went in there as members of a fact-finding commission. And we stayed there as members of fact-finding, a non-governmental organization fact-finding commission. And this is the first meeting we had with the tribal leaders. And they were telling us that they, all the tribes, first time in 100 years, had agreed to develop a new constitution. Tribes had never agreed on anything in unison. That was the first time in 100 years they'd agreed they were going to develop a new constitution. That was the fifth of May. Now then, this man's home, this is in Sormon. This guy was one of the first 11 members of the bloodless coup when he got off. He took over. He'd had a brain tumor about four years before this, yet they had decided they needed to kill him and his family. And they bombed this entire facility. And these were JDM rockets, targeted the house. Laser guided. Laser guided. They had missed. They hit every structure in the house, real rambling big house. This is one of his granddaughters. And we had to go to the board to photograph that. Joanne's pictures of that little baby and her sister went around the world. The cordite was still in the air when we were there. We were asked to go to a lot of places and be the witnesses of the truth because the media didn't have the truth in them. Up here, this is the bomb ID. That's a US laser pointed. That's a US bomb. And that nomenclature on it was validated by the intelligence peoples who were in our home as US weaponry. That was a piece found at this site. Against the law for the US to supply weapons where there's any hostilities going on. What a lie. What a lie. Here's the bombing that took place. And we were witness to these. Every night they start bombing two or three in the morning and went until seven or eight. Nobody get any sleep. There was no other fighting going on. Miss Carries. There's no bombing. High blood pressure. Die beaties. All these secondary causes nobody talks about. This is a seer. The United States used fuel air explosive weapons on this city and on Bonoaleed. That's a four man nuclear device. It's a double-parted bomb. The outside is munition grade. Fossifer. It's dispersed over a large area. The second explosion ignites that. Burns at 6,000 degrees. Increases atmospheric pressure. Twenty times. Kills everything. Below it destroys buildings. Man, woman, child, cockroaches and everything. That is the result of a fuel air explosive. And that's the result of our government doing that to help civilians. Are you getting the story? The reason we're dangerous is because there weren't supposed to be Americans that had witnessed this. Now then, this was July 1st, 2011. That's in Tripoli. There were 2 million people at that rally for the government of Tripoli. 2 million. That's a third of the country assembled in Tripoli for a rally for that government against NATO. And Libya is a big country. Seventh largest in Africa. Seventeen largest in the United States in the world. So you get 2 million people to assemble in one spot. That's a hell of a deal. Once again, I put this up again because I want you all to know that living people had a really good life. They were peaceful. Their country was developing. They were having a very good time. They were enjoying it. And they love Americans. First place we've been to. And I've been doing business all over the world. First place we went to where everybody saws. Oh, your Americans, me and me, that means 100% in their land. Me and me, America, we love you. Do you like our country? Can we help you? We heard that and we haven't heard that from any place in the world in 30 years. So we absolutely blew a great opportunity with those folks. Now then, there's no peaceful Libyan. There was no legitimate Libyan that would join NATO. So what do they do? They hire guys, pay them $2,500 to join in $2,500 in our month to fight a thousand in our bonus for every person they killed. There were 60,000 bombing sortays in Libya. That's more than entire World War II combined. Did you get that number? 60,000 bombing sortays in Libya. 5.5 million people. Kill the half million of them. Now then, here's why Libya had be blown up. Number one, go back to NAR. Gaddafi was required in the 2006 treaty to step down from power. He did. They required Libya to get rid of their nuclear enrichment. The union came in and took it all out. They had to get rid of all their offensive weapons and cut their military in half. But the real reason were these three things here. And the first time we wanted to leave you the International Bank was Western Union. They had no ties to any banks, any place. I love that. The reason the go back to NAR was real important is because that took the paper bankers out of business in Libya. And a go back to NAR for the continent of Africa would have freed Africa. Plus, it would have absolutely destroyed the Fed, Euroclear, all the Rothschild Group. They're printing our money on toilet paper because that's about all it's good for. The go back currency for a continent of Africa is rich in natural resources. That would have destroyed the paper bankers. So the bankers said we got to get rid of this guy. The second thing was Africa. The United States was bound in term to have a war with China one of these days. And they want to keep China away from those resources in Africa. So the way to do that is take military control of Africa. Africa. Libya said not ever. South Africa said not ever. And if you say not ever, Libya was the strongest country, go blow up Libya. And of course the others fell in line after Libya was blown up. So Africa was the second reason. The third thing was Gaddafi was not happy with any of the European countries that had broken so many treaties with all the Africans. And Gaddafi was an African union guy. He had been president of the African union. His favorite person in history was Abraham Lincoln. He wanted to style Africa after the United States. A bunch of independent states working in unison. And so many treaties had been broken. And so many payments hadn't been made. That he put all those treaties together and had brought a class action against European countries on behalf of all the African countries. The value of that lawsuit was $7 trillion trillion. And as the attorneys say, it had legs. So with all the European countries, pardon me, with all European countries' economies in the crapper, they could not allow that to go forward. So that was easy for the European countries to get to join hands with them. So those were the three reasons that Libya had big taken out. Now then, what they said, these are lies about Libya that the media told. They said Gaddafi was in power. He wasn't. He stepped down 2006 as a requirement of the treaty of 2006 signed by Connelly, Sirides, and Gaddafi. Second, there were three protesters killed by Gaddafi's army. Didn't happen. Those three protesters were killed by cutter snipers in Benghazi. And the news was right there and saw it and said it was Gaddafi's military that did it. Next, Libby Foo Plains against his protesters. You know what I meant? The Turkish Department of Turkish, the Russian ambassador, Foo Plains, Libya. And he said they'd been monitoring everything went on there. And their satellite had verified that the Libyan government had not raised one plane in attacking its civilians ever, hadn't fired a rocket against any of its people. And they had proof of that. You had the media continue to hammer that Gaddafi was attacking these people, not true. Next, Libyan soldiers, harm Libyan people and rape the women never did happen. In fact, it was the other way around the mercenaries. These al-Qaeda psychopaths were being fed Viagra, cocaine, booze, and everything else, and encouraged the rape of the Libyan women. And they did it in huge numbers. And all they did, they raped the women, but they so violated them, there was a group of young women in Mesrocha. After they'd raped them, they cut their breasts off and wrote nasty words in the main square in Arabic. So horrible atrocities in Libya. So the attorney was handling this as a legal matter, real nice lady. We helped her interview several hundred young Libyan women that were alive that had been raped. And of course in that culture, once we're on the right, she's finished. She has no future at all. And all of those documents have been saved there in Tunisia with Dr. Fantma. And someday we hope that comes to light because guess who's going to be guilty of supporting those rapers. Libyan soldiers captured rebels and killed them giving a reason to start the war. That didn't happen. It was the other way around. The rebels. We interviewed some of the survivors of those attacks in the early days. And it was the other way around. The attacks were made by the al-Qaeda type against the Libyan army. The Libyan army was ordered to fire their guns above their heads or in front of them and telling me all of them are mistaken, you know, we don't want to fight you. Came back and killed them. The next thing, Libyan is like to fight not at all. They're the most non-confrontational people you'll ever meet. In their tribal culture, if you run into somebody's car and it's your fault, the guy that you ran into forgives you and then you owe him a favor. He may ask you a couple of years later to pay for the food and his daughter's wedding. And if you don't pay, your family has to pay. If your family doesn't do it, then you're trives has to pay. They resolve everything without conflict. And if you cannot resolve in the tribal manner, then they put the two of you in a jail. Same jail cell. And feed your camel's milk and grill until you can come to an unagreement. You all are laughing. I'm telling you this is the truth. It's an 8,000 year old culture. The Libyan women have no rights. That's absolutely the biggest joke. They were emancipated about the second year. Gaddafi was in power. They drove their own cars. They own their own businesses. They were in government. They were teachers, lawyers. They absolutely had more rights there and jointed with them. Get into that. In fact, why don't you tell them now? I'll drink some water. I interviewed a lady who had owned her own business and worked in the government regarding women's rights because I was working with, at that time, Susan Lindauer. And she was writing about Libyan. She said people are saying that the women in Libya have no rights. Libya was the most progressive Muslim country ever in the world. And she sat with me and she said, you know, I have more rights in a divorce than you have in the United States. She said, because if I get divorced, first of all, she said, our marriage is a contract and I can write anything into that contract I want. And I write in there if I choose to divorce, it's my right and I get whatever I want. And she said, in the Libyan law, I will get half of everything. And my husband has to support me and my children and I get the house and if he doesn't, his family has to support me. She said, it's the law. They are also lawyers. They're doctors. They're free to travel to do whatever they want. It's an amazing culture, really, if you think about the culture, Gaddafi himself was not a radical Islamist. Never. In fact, he threw out the part of the Quran that the Ayatollah Khameini put into the Quran, the part about kill infidels and all that other stuff. Gaddafi threw it out. He said, that's not part of our belief. For that, he had a fatwa, a kill order put on him for 20 years by the radical Islamists. This is another reason they wanted to get into this country because it was a peaceful Muslim country against all the radical Muslims. And Gaddafi himself didn't even like the headscarfs. He didn't even like his daughter to wear the headscarfs. But the Libyan women wore headscarfs all the time. It was kind of a revelation to me because I asked him, why do you wear it? She said, well, I don't have to do my hair and it matches my clothes. So it was a fashion statement. That's why they wore them. So the women did great there. Not now, not now, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. He was just saying to the people and his people and through his people. So what we're telling you came from the people of Libya. Didn't come from outside. And did the people have a good life in Libya? They had a great life. They didn't nobody had any debt. If you needed money, you wouldn't make money. You don't have money, no interest, etc., etc., So what we all heard about Libya was not true. When Operation Murmait Dawn started in August of 2011, That was the attack and the takeover of Tripoli. And the reason that happened then is because the tribes of Libya had completed their new constitution. And they were going to present their constitution to the world for all the Libyans to vote on. And of course that did not meet the agenda that this government had put in place. So they had to blow up Tripoli. And they did. And Joanne and I were sitting in the 21st floor of the Corinthian hotel where we'd been in for months. And we saw two attack helicopters come in off the Mediterranean guns blazing. They killed every man, woman, child in the streets. We could hear the third one. They killed 1100 people in the first few hours, 1,300, and wounded more than 5,000. Now that's how they were able to take over Tripoli because Tripoli had no interest at all in turning into any part of a Sharia country. And they increased the number of bombings. Day and night constant bombings. They start bringing in ships from Benghazi loaded with mercenaries and little pickup trucks with the entire craft weapons and 50 caliber and 150 caliber guns on the back. You can see them. This is, that's taken outside our hotel window. And they were streaming in one boat after another. They looted everything. That any woman on the street was raped and murdered. A lot of them were burned after they finished with them. They stole from every house there. And that continues to this day. It's total anarchy now in Libya. In the hotel we were in, that's the hotel we were in. And we knew we had to get out of Tripoli. We stayed there 45 days longer than we should have because the Pope in Rome asked us to bring in a ship load of medicine medical supplies into Tripoli. He didn't want it going to Benghazi. And we had met Bishop Martinelli on the first trip into Libyan 2007. He was a pre-later Catholic church. And the only conditions for that ship load of medicine medical supplies would not be commercialized and be given to any Libyan that needed it. And the Libyans were so proud they didn't want to appear to be needy. They'd been embargoed. They'd been embargoed. They needed everything. The hotels, power plants, water treatment plants, schools, hospitals, all these things were blown up all against the Geneva Convention. And this ship we tried and tried and tried couldn't get any government official in Libya. They said we don't want to appear to be needy. This is their tribal mentality. Finally, we got the head of all the tribes to agree to accept that ship load. And at that, he had to get a government official to sign off. And that happened on the 19th or 20th of August. By then, there was no exit out of Libya. There had been no fly zones since the first week in February. So we were trapped there literally. And when they started blowing everything up and when all the rebels were coming into tripling, the port was literally as close as here to the next street. So we saw all these trucks flowing in. We knew we had to get out of there. And we were down in the lobby. And the first guy that approached us was the German FIFA coach. And he said, are you Americans? I said, yeah, he said, you're all going to get out of here. And I said, we're going to do our best. He said, can I go with you? Sure, come ahead. And then the next one was the sister of the president of Mortania. She spoke Spanish, I speak Spanish. And she wanted to be part of our group. So of course, we attached her. And then there was a Bahrainian prince that had come in just one day earlier. He'd been trapped for about 10 days on the road from Tunisia. He said, can I go with you? I come ahead, a girl that a woman that had been 20 years working for the hotel. She was a Filipino gal. She wanted to get the hell out of Dodge. So she attached herself to us. And then the last guy was a Nair Duuel from Texas that had somehow another condensed some libbins. He was going to be the next president. We never heard of him. He was a boy scout leader. That makes me question that too. But he was trying to sell guns or steel weapons or whatever he could do. He'd been there one day and he wanted to join hands with us. And the really reason we let him come along is he had a satellite telephone. Nobody else had one. And that was our group. And the ambassador from Russia called us and he said there's a rescue ship being sent over here by a multi-present sending over here to extract the last diplomats and everybody. He said, I put your name and joins name on the list. I said, can you add some more names to it? He said, sure. So we got put on the list to be rescued by that multi-ship. The hotel loaned us their van, put a driver and another guy in the front seat that were told to tell all the stop points. And there was an alkyda stop point every 100 meters. And they asked you who you were and they were trying to identify you. All of the make a 47's and other Naito weapons and all bearded and scary looking guys. And the driver and the other guy kept telling the we were reporters. And they loved reporters because the reporters been lying to them like a rug forever. So I'll reporters, I'll odd bar, bam, bam, bam, and they let us pass. And the problem was the ship was not allowed to come into port. It was fired on and it was three miles out. And they had sent a couple of tugboats in the land without any lights or anything like fools. We're going 42 miles this going east towards Benghazi and back and back and back and forth. Every 100 meters being stopped. And the second time we went into the port of Tripoli, which was really not very far from where we'd started from our hotel, we were held in there about an hour and then all of a sudden, 30 of these little trucks surrounded us, AK-47's pointed at us. And one big tall, ugly, hard looking guy. He had a list with our names on it. He said, your game is up. We know who you are. And they took us to their torture center. And at the Radisson Hotel, that's the guys. That's the hotel. And we were actually held in the lobby area on the mesonene that we could hear, but it was open to the mesonene area. They kept bringing wounded Libyan soldiers, no lights, no electricity, except in the elevators. They dragged these guys, shot up up the elevator. And then, a minute or two later, we'd hear these unholy sounds coming from these al-Qaeda tortures doing their damnedest to these poor Libyan wounded soldiers. And that went on and on and on. And whenever a new leader of the al-Qaeda or a new NTC person came in, and they would parade us in front of these guys, all of them had to alcohol on their breath. And they would interrogate us. You were on this show. You were doing business with this guy. We know you were doing this. This is to the seven of us. And very, very aggressive. And Joanne and I don't speak any Arabic. And we didn't really hear what was being said in the Arabic language, but the Bahrainian prince and the sister of the President of Murtainia. They both heard. And they both had a serious, as a heart attack look on their faces. And finally, after we've been there a long, long time, they brought in a British film crew to film each one of us. And they asked us, have you been treated well? Are you safe? Have you been abused? And the reason for that, we found out later, they were going to kill us and they were going to say, look, we let them go from here and they were in good shape and Godophe killed them and chopped them up and burned them. We didn't know that at the time. But after that, hours later, long comes this big, tall, fat, bald-headed, and so on and so with a full beard mustache. He was wearing a dosh. It turns out he was the top-e-mom. For Al-Qaeda in Tripoli. And he came in and he looked down his nose at us and what he said to him in Arabic is when they tried to go to the rescue ship, kill him, chopped him up and burned him. I didn't hear that. Neither did Joe and so I'm never been accused of being too smart. So I was up there demanding get our passports back. We're American citizens. We're here as members of the NGO Fact Mining Commission. We want our passports. We want to be given free passage. They didn't know quite what to do with us. But finally, they gave us our passports. And we were ready to go to the rescue ship, which we knew was east, about halfway down this 42-mile stretch. By that time, the driver of the van from the hotel had been changed. And the guy that came over as the new driver had been the IT man for the Corinthian hotel. Well-spoken English. Very bright guy. We never got along with him real well. He was never very friendly with one of the most unfriendly libs we'd met. Well, we found out now why because he was a rat. He was a rebel. But God touched his heart. And he came over there to help us. And he said, this van is not going east. He said, I'm taking the van back to the hotel. And I said, no, no, no, rescue ships that way. He took joy in over the side. And he said, what you did not hear the mom say is you're going to be killed. And he set up a kill zone two blocks over here. And when this van goes down that little dip in the road, they're going to kill you and chop you up and burn you. She said, you better get Jimmy over here. So he brought me over there and he told me the same story. And I said, you know what? Let's go back west. Let's go back to the hotel we started at. And he said, now the next problem, he said, all these mercenaries are going to be paid to kill you. How much money do you have? Well, I had, I'm the only one left with any money. I had $19,800 on me that bought our freedom from that night. And he went back and negotiated with all those murders to let us go. Now they knew they were going to have another shot at us because we were not getting out of Libya. We were just getting out of their hands that night. And so we got back to the hotel and then we still had to get out of Tripoli. And Fatima too, the sister of President Murtanian, knew one of the rebels that was in charge of the UNIOM rescue ship. It was a refugee rescue ship, immigration. And it was going from Tripoli to Benghazi. And he got to appreciate Benghazi was the head of the snake. The last place we wanted to go was Benghazi. But Fatima said, I've been talking to friends over there and they said Fatima is, there's nobody there. All the bad guys are over here killing people in Tripoli. Benghazi is empty. And he's standing a real good chance of a better chance of getting out of there because there's more avenues. And there's no communication between them. No communication between them too. So she brought her friend up. He talked to us. He said, yes, I want to help you because Fatima has told me about you all and how you've been trying to help Libyans. He was a Libyan guy. At this time they were shooting inside our hotel too. Shoot inside our hotel. It was real serious. We had to get the hell out of Dodge. And he said, I'm going to get you on the rescue ship. I'm going to take you in my van to the rescue ship all the way through the port. I'm going to get you on the ship. And then when you get to Benghazi, I'm going to make sure that they take you to the hotel instead of going to the Egyptian refugee camp because in the Egyptian refugee camp, there is communication between those camps and Tripoli. So good to as word, he got us on the ship. We had 48 hours of hell. hottest part of August. Hotest part of August. No air conditioning. No food. The only thing that hit was moldy bread, hot water, and some out of date juice. If you drink the juice, you immediately did the green apple quick step and there were only two bathrooms on that ship for 300 people. It was really a converted car carrier. And 48 hours we got to Benghazi. They were good to their word. They took us to the hotel. And we still had, we knew nobody in Benghazi. And we went to the, five to my told us the US had a representative office there in that hotel. So did EU. I went to meet the US representative. This guy didn't speak English hardly. And he said, there's no Americans here. I can't help you. I'm here to interface with the NTC and the rebels, you know. And I said, we need help. No, I can't help you. With the European Union office upstairs, that guy said, look, you're Americans. I can't help you. Nothing I can do. So went back downstairs. And in that time, one of the hotel concierge people saw that we were kind of a different looking group. We didn't look like the rag tags normally came in there. And with the Bahrainian prince, they thought they better bring over somebody to interface with us. And the number three guy in the NTC, that's the National Transitional Council. That was the phony government of US installed there. The number three guy in that organization sent his security man over first, verified who we were. And then he came himself, suit and tie, again, perfect English, well spoken. He said, how long has it been since you've eaten? We said four days. This was Ramadan. They don't eat until after the sun sets. He said, well, I'm going to invite you to break fast in this buffet. He said, I can't eat with you because I must be with my family. And he said, then I'm going to get you on an airplane that's carrying wounded soldiers to Tunisia tonight. So there again, that was the third miracle. God touched his heart. And we got fed. We put on that airplane. And he had his security people walk us all the way through. Everybody else was having trouble with paperwork. No, they put us to the front of the line. And that's us in there. That's the prince. Tony Hay from Germany. That's the sister of the president of Mauritania. And the guy in the back, the kind of ugly looking one, is that Nair du Well from Texas. He's going to be the next president in the United States. Those two good looking folks over here in black. That was us. And that was the executive lounge at the airport in Benghazi. They absolutely isolated us from everybody. The man, the number three guy in the NTC. Of course, he didn't have any idea who we were. Because there was no communication. But God moved him to get us out of there. So there were really three distinct miracles. God has out of their hands and God has out of Libya. So we'd slip the news before they knew we were missing, you know. And the plane from Benghazi. Oh my gosh, it was the oldest raggedy 7, 20, 70 you've ever seen. When you look down, when your feet, you can see daylight. The winds of the doors were going that thing was flying like this, you know. And but it got us to Tunisia. No lights on the runway, nothing. Yeah, no lights. He said they didn't, they were flying dark so they didn't get shot down. So we got to Tunisia. And when we got there, there were about eight guys that were buffed up, you know, a muscular looking guy, a military looking guys in the prince had been raised in cutter. And he said those are cutlery soldiers. He said they're not generals. They're like majors in that level. He said I can tell because they're accent and their speech is not very dignified. But he said they're ranking military. So when we landed in Tunisia, the first thing came out of the shoot were these two metal frames with big steel rollers. They set those down on the ground. And then the next thing came out where some metal boxes, if you cut this bench in half, it was about that size accepted, had big metal reinforcement top and bottom. And it took four of them. Everything they could delifted off of the belt and put it on one of these dollars that they had. Then the second one that came down had a fork lift hole on the side of it when they tipped it, some gold buttons fell out. So they had melted down a bunch of liby and gold to get rid of the hallmark and they were taking that home with them. Probably 200, 300 pounds in each box. So an incidentally liby had 179 tons of gold, 2000 tons of silver, lots and lots of tons of radium, radium, platinum and other things. So they were a metal rich country as well. This guy, he claimed Abdul Hankin Belhaz and he just heard his name, sorry, piece of human being. He was in Guantanamo, he was fighting our troops in Afghanistan. And then next thing he pops up in Libya and he's putting charge of the rebel military by the United States. And he was interviewed by British journalists and they said, well, what do you think about it? Last year you were fighting them in Afghanistan, and you overheard how can you know, 50, 50, as long as they give me what I want, they can be my friend. Next one. This guy, Policity, absolutely, absolutely one of the worst men that ever drew a breath. And he admitted that he is joining hands with the US, even though he's Al Qaeda and was killing US soldiers in Afghanistan a few weeks before. How does this happen? Can anybody tell me how this happens? And I'm telling you, join in our big supporters, our military and everything else we sent three ourselves out of our own pocket. We've done all kinds of humanitarian activities. We sent 350 air conditioners to Iraq because our boys were over there without enough air conditioning. We sent blankets and boots and things like that. We've supported our military forever. How could this government be putting our military in positions where they're fighting this guy one way and then having joined hands with them the next? Not good. And funding and arming them and training them. There was a C-130 that landed in Rosalind, it was the big port where they all floated oil. It was full of Marines. As soon as it landed, it was hit and burned up. All the Marines in it were killed. Somebody in this government said there were no troops on the ground in Libya. Absolutely not true. Those soldiers, nobody knows where they were killed. Melissa is now on the streets in Libya. They rape women. If you're out after dark, you're going to be killed. Your life's going to be raped. Your child's going to be taken and sold into organs and something else. They steal it will. There's no border controls in Libya at all anymore. So Al Qaeda is able to go in and out at will. The people living fear there's no life. It is anarchy, no security period. After the Egyptian coup, Al Qaeda started killing all the military leaders. They killed about 20 of them now. Just execution style because they don't want a military coup to happen in Libya. So they start killing them. Now then, these guys are on Interpol's most wanted list. You see Libya, Libya, Libya, Libya, Libya, Libya, Libya. Sufingamu, this guy in the middle on the bottom was Osama bin Laden's head of security in his driver. Sufingamu today, just 10 minutes before we started. Get out order for G-Hod to kill all the Americans by fundamentalists all over the world. And that's a serious threat. Very serious threat. In fact, yesterday, Switzerland placed the United States on the same danger list as Syria for travel. They said that nobody from Switzerland should travel the United States because of the unrest and they said they have valid evidence of a military takeover of the United States because the US government has so damaged the military here that the military is going to take the government back. That's some Edward Snowden stuff. This guy is the one the United States put in his president. He was a thief when he was 40 years ago. He was an ambassador to India and he was caught stealing $80 million that was given for two mosques. His gate in CIA had quarters for... It's green. It's green. It's freaking out. Okay. That's for the calls for Christmas. Maybe that's it. Okay. Anyhow, he was installed as president. Things got a little hot and Libya. So he took $6 billion in left. He now in Switzerland. This is who the United States put in there. He lasted about six months. Yeah. Stole 80 million. And that was his credentials to become an agent for the United States government. Next. This guy. And this is the guy that everybody needs to be afraid of. Well, Olivia is the one that was killed. That was number two guy in Al Qaeda. This is his brother. And this sorry piece of human being has owned the Passport office in Libya since October 2011. And he's the one sending several hundred fundamentalists to the United States every month funded with $4 to $5 million. That guy is in charge of the Passport office in Libya. They get new names, new Libyan passports and the U.S. welcomes them in here. The intelligence agencies were debriefing us and said, well, what should we do about that? And I said, be pretty damn easy to look at every Libyan that's come to the United States since October 2010. If he's got a bank account with $4 to $5 million in it, water board the son so and find out who he worked for. Oh, we can't do that. Simple. I'm a business guy. You know, if you can get $8 to be like this, you do it. No, we can't do that. That'd be profiling. This has been going on in Libya since the first week of the uprising. They are killing every black and Libyan. In fact, the 500,000 were killed, about 200,000 were black. And Al Qaeda has demanded that they cleanse the country of all the blacks, cleaning their mercenaries that Giddafi brought in from Africa, not true. 30 to 35 percent of all the Libyans were black. The country was colorblind. He saw black, brown, beige, and every family. 35 percent of the legitimate Libyans were black. And these mass graves are all over Libya. And not a one black leader here in this country has done anything about it. And not one civil rights organization has stepped up either. Right. Human rights. Those are all black bodies. Now then, this is Sheikh Ali Al-Akwel. He's the Supreme Leader of all the tribes of Libya. And this is where he's showing the new agreement. That's the new flag of the resistance. And this is one of their banners as well. And they're trying real hard. But you know, every time they talk to us, they say, please, just ask your government to stop supporting these people. And if they will stop, then we will take out al-Qaeda and all the radicals in our country. And then we'll go and join hands with all the other tribes. All the world will eradicate all the fundamentalist Islamist radicals from inside. And you all know that's what's going to have to happen. And they've made a formal document that we delivered. They delivered us. We delivered to the government of the United States no response. This is where Joanne and myself have been appointed as official spokesperson for the Libyan tribes. We're the only foreigners they trust. And that is a problem for this government. We're the witnesses to all these crimes. And for that, they need to take us out. We need your prayers. We need your support. They have destroyed us financially. Joanne wants me to get in the US intelligence. This is how their trail beat us up. Tara Dahl, aid for Congressman Michelle Bogman, an absolute snake in the grass. Spy. And she introduced us to Tim Hunt, who works for the San Francisco, to plead to police department as a detective. He's been on loan to the CIA task force against, I mean, FBI task force against terrorism and been all over the world. He also lied to us like a rug. The next one, Tim Hunt, introduced us to Kevin Davis. His real name is Eric Maddox. And these guys would come into our home and our invitation to lie to us and want to give us their right names. And we would give him information that was costing Libyans their lives to get and nothing happened. And I said, why won't you do anything about this? We were giving him the latitude and longitude of the training camps. Where Alcada was training murderers for all over the world. We gave him the latitude and longitude of where Alcada leaders were sleeping at night. The exact spot where they were digging underground tunnels and hiding all these weapons and everything we'd supplied him. Nothing was ever done. On the 24th of April, the Libyans called us to this top virgin. There's a steamship, big one. The sky is the fishing vessel. It was loaded in Turkey. Full weapons of mass destruction paid for by Zawa, here, the head of Alcada. And it's headed for one of the northeastern ports in Libya. It's going to be offloaded there, carried by land through Libya, all the way through Egypt by landing in the underground into Gaza and it's going to be used to kill Jews. Doesn't anything do with us, but needs to be stopped. Our tribal leaders say, you have to understand the radical Islamists are not Muslims. As we said, please understand that. They are not Muslims. They drink, they take drugs, they kill people, this has nothing to do with the Muslim religion. Muslim Brotherhood doesn't do with Muslim religion. But they said, please help these people because there are a lot of them being killed. Two intelligence agencies, we passed up, what can't do anything about it. What do you mean you can't do anything about it? Well, they'll take a long time. I said, no, the ship is on international waters now. It can be snapped up. So we beat the hell out of this Tim Hunt. Joanne actually did. Shamed him. Call him a sissy. Said we were going to tell his mom on him. So he finally called a friend of his in Israel. And about two or three hours later, he calls back. He had a smiley face on his email. And Joanne called the tribal leaders and said, what about the ship? He said, all these Muslim Brotherhood guys are going crazy. They can't reach the ship anymore, the radio doesn't work. They sent some small vessels out to try to find it. They can't find it. So hourly being guys saved a bunch of Jews. How does that read? So this is the kind of intelligence that has been coming to us through these guys. Go ahead. The mathematics was the guy that was the most decorated intelligence officer. He interrogated one of the son of Hussein's aides until he found out what a rat hole he was hiding in. We had a church in Houston called Crossroads Babbed His Church. They were going to help us pay rent. They were going to introduce us to one of their guys. It was in the oil business. He was trying to do international business. Everything was set for them to help us. He shows up at their church, giving us speech, and that church won't talk to us anymore. And I finally got one of the part-time receptions after I call time and time again, I said, what happened? It's why I really can't talk to you now, but you're nice people. What happened is the government said they're going to audit us for seven years. They're going to cost us $500,000 more than we can't talk to you. That's this guy. He's also the guy that told us we need men in the Guinness Book of World Records because nobody gets away from out kind of alive. He said, how y'all did that? I don't know. He said, never happens. What he probably was saying is we were not supposed to get away alive. He introduced us to Brian. I can't remember Brian's last name. He's FBI foreign terrorist group, and they go out and kill bad guys, supposedly. So we start feeding him information. And of course, they never killed any bad guys. The Libbyans said, give us some GPS units. We'll put them on their cars. You can track all their movements all over Libya. Oh, we can't afford that. They said, well, then give us some sniper rifles. Give us 20, 30 sniper rifles. We'll take them out one at a time. Oh, we can't do that. We can't spline any arms for any foreign country. Yet, join and have videos and everything of US arms all over Libya being shipped in by al-Qaeda. I mean, by Qatar. And, Tarradol introduces to Joe Weasel, very good name. He's the head producer for the blaze, Glenn Beck's organization. And they were going to do a documentary on us, and they were going to air it on the 16th of June, and it's going to be one hour, maybe two hours. We'll be on the Glenn Beck show twice. All they need was all our information. They came to our home. We'll be back on Thursday, start filming. They hadn't heard from them. Wednesday, they brought with them this woman, if you can call her a woman, Nikki Barrakall. She's CIA piece of garbage as well. And she was going to set up protocols to protect us. She said, you're in more danger from this government than you ever in the hands of al-Qaeda. And that she had canceled the program because it was too dangerous for Glenn Beck. She'd been talking to intelligence agencies, and we needed to continue to do that. In fact, we need to forget about Libya all together. If we ever wanted to have a life, we need to forget about Libya and start over. And she's one of the told us we'd been blacklisted, and they had affected a soft attack on us, which meant that they would kill all of our financial opportunities every place. They would isolate us from our businesses, associates, and friends, and probably family. And they'd been good at doing that. We had a joint venture with one of the princes in Kuwait. He stopped speaking to us a year ago, January. We couldn't figure out why. Join our real productive people. We're great marketing folks, lots of expertise, lots of experience. We send out 20 or 30 resumes a day. We can't even get an interview. We can't get a call back. We can't get anything in two companies that Headhunters tried to put me in as a CEO. All of a sudden, those offers disappeared, and those companies won't speak to us. And the Headhunters said, we better not talk to you anymore. Now, they told us this nicky piece of garbage said that we were lucky they didn't do a terminal attack on us because we would end up in a home on security presence someplace without any contact with anybody. So they just destroyed us financially. And the reason we finally start going public is because they have devastated us. We have no protection. We don't have a war chest. We have no support. The only support we've got is from folks like you. Now, that's a true story. Now, then, the intelligence secrets that we know that they told us, we were blacklisted in September 2011 when we came back from being in Al Qaeda's hands. They were targeted individuals and are subjects of soft attack. They were never being helped for Libya from the USA because the USA wanted to see Libya fall and not come back. Al Qaeda does not exist. Al Qaeda does not exist. The one in intelligence officer said, why Al Qaeda has got such a bad reputation. There's only 75 Al Qaeda members in the whole world. And I said, you mean that's all the budget the CIA has for Al Qaeda's for 75 guys? Muslim Brotherhood dictates policy in the US. Three different agencies told us that. Muslim Brotherhood dictates policy in the United States of America. Obama is Muslim Brotherhood. And the last one, and they proven that this to be good. We're in more danger from this government than why we were in the hands of Al Qaeda. That's Eric. Eric. You can find him online. They're making a movie about him. Yeah, they made a movie about him. He's black something. I told him if you wanted to be a spy, he shouldn't be famous. Those two don't go together. Bad guy. That's us. Prayers, financial support. Any way you can help us. We need it. We'd love to have a job. We'd love to help anybody we can. We're working people. God bless you. Thank you. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you the the example of theSAW reiss speech or h I know, November of the 10th, 2010, the governments of France and the UK came together in a mutual defense agreement. As part of that agreement, they determined that they would conduct joint war games. And the joint war games would be against a mythical dictator in a mythical country south of their nations. Subject to a pretend, you and security council resolution and it would involve airstrikes against this mythical nation and ground troops. Well, the exercise was called Southern Storm or Southern Mistral. Now, what was interesting is, according to the war games, the plan of attack was to be initiated March 21st through March 25th. Now I noted this because there's an amazing similarity in the planning for these war games and the actual execution of a war against Libya led by France and Great Britain. So we need to find out. That's almost the precise time there actually was such a way. We need to find out. What was this about? Because there a preconceived plan of attack against Libya which then used the allegations of a forthcoming massacre as a pretext to launch that attack. Now is there any evidence now other than a kind of conclusion one draws? But is there actually evidence now that connects the two things? I mean, it's not out of the question that... Well, you have a set of facts. That relate to the creation of war games which correspond almost identically to what actually happened. So we know that. Now the question is, how far in advance was an attack on Libya conceived? And have you been able to ask these questions as a congressman? Are you getting any answers? No, it's an honor from State Department. This events are moving so quickly that it will be a while before we get answers to these things. So we need to put this out in a public record. I mean, it's a matter of fact that there were war games planned by France and Great Britain and that they... Almost in the precise states. They're just nearly identical to the execution of the war against Libya. You should have stayed up to the last few days talking about the African Union peace proposal. It's not getting... Certainly got... Did not get a warm reception in Benghazi and it doesn't seem to getting much support from the US or NATO. Talk a bit of what your view is on the... Well, we have to ask, what do the rebels want? They want regime change. What does the US want? It wants regime change. What do France and the UK want? They want regime change. Guess what? The UN mandate doesn't provide for that. France and the UK are trying to prevail upon NATO to prosecute an attack against Qaddafi's forces towards the goal of regime change. There's just no question about it. It's in contraburable evidence. So we have to ask this. If the goal is to protect civilians from harm, nations are now pursuing a strategy beyond the UN mandate that is absolutely guaranteed to... To foe men, to civil... Expanding civil war that will put millions of people at risk in Libya. Now do you accept the premise that Qaddafi is a dictator and people... Libyan people do have a right to overthrow him if that's what they want? Well, we don't... We don't know the extent to which the rebels have broad support in the country of Libya. We know they do in Benghazi, but we don't know the kind of support they have across the country. But in the first few days of the uprising, outside of Tripoli, something like 80 percent of the cities seem to be controlled by rebels until his pushback. But we don't know the extent to which the rebels have broad support. Think about this. If they had broad support in the way that those who wanted change, nonviolent change in Egypt and Tunisia had, it just happens. And there are irrevocable forces that are set in motion when the entire population of a country rises up and says, we are not going to take this anymore. But that's not what happened in Libya. The Western media would want you to believe that everyone in Libya wants Qaddafi out and that Qaddafi is holding on only by military power. That's absolutely not clear because we don't see the kind of broad-based support that the rebels, if in fact they do represent the legitimate aspirations of all the people of Libya, would have. In the end, this is an internal matter that relates to the people of Libya having to make their own decisions about the outcome. It is not for Western intervention to determine who should be the leader of Libya. I have no brief for Qaddafi, but the fact that a matter is that regime change is beyond you in mandate and regime change will trigger a broad civil war and that we have no right to inflict that on Libya. There is no reason to bribe that. And the point you make in your statement is that rebels would not be in a position to reject an African Union peace offer if they didn't have this kind of back. People who died and left them in charge of Libya and who is going to now accede to the rebels demands, look who are the rebels? In Washington in the last few weeks, you can't even get a straight answer out of the administration about who the rebels are. We learn that there are links to Al-Qaeda. We learn that there are links to the CIA. This looks like a... If it wasn't so serious, it would almost be common. But there's another side to it. We had a journalist team in Benghazi. And their sense of it was that this was a very much at least in the area they were in Benghazi, a really expression of democratic will. I mean, I'm seeing something in Washington where they don't... There's a whole section of Washington forum policy thinkers here who don't want... Or not so sure ab