JIM FETZER "The Raw Deal" (8-2-18) John Remington Graham and Dean Ryan

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The bomb that drops on you Catch your friends and neighbors too There'll be nobody left behind to breathe And we will all go together when we go Wanna come working back to that history home Universe, so many events and inspiring achievements Yes, we all will go together when we go We will all go together when we go All of you, do it anytime that's not allowed No one will have the endurance to collect the missing shirts Why is the London will be loaded when they go? We make weight measures to three, zero, four, two This is Jim Fetser, your host on the raw deal Our guest was here, but then he disappeared So we're seeking to track him down I'm fascinated by his story His name, John Remington Graham, he was a very successful attorney Then he became a professor of law But his greatest achievement may have been in retirement When he submitted an amicus curi brief On behalf of Zoker's Taranoff And who is accused of the Boston bombing It's a really wonderful story But I want him to tell him We're doing our best to track him down But not having a lot of success Here I am Oh Jack, terrific, I'm delighted, I'm so glad I was just explaining how you had a successful career as an attorney A professor of law, but your greatest achievement may have been in retirement Which is highly ironic Please do share with us this story of how you became interested and involved in the Boston bombing Well, in the Boston bombing case I was alerted You know, in the Boston bombing case was circulated a lot throughout the country But you and a few others began to discover that something was wrong with the official story And I began to check this out because I was curious Having been a public prosecutor and a public defender And I'm a specialist in forensic medicine and science And so I was very interested and I checked it out And I found that the decisive expulpatory evidence was found on the website of CNN for crying out loud So it means that this story was projected by the FBI crime lab And then it was the news via a system of the FBI and covering up And this is something that was not exclusive to me, but you were one of the prime individual prime informants on this But there were others as well across the country who saw these the obvious errors that couldn't possibly hold up And I came on case, so I decided to get involved I wrote an opinion which was published and you were one of the people who discovered my opinion Along with the opinion of Dr. Lorraine Day in San Francisco And in my case I noted that the FBI projected that the prime that Socar was carrying a heavy weight Black backpack on Boyle St. Street in the afternoon of the 15th of April 2013 And this point was not just a passing impression but it was incorporated into the indictment that was returned on the, I believe it was the 17th of June of 2013 But the FBI used a video, a street video to identify Socar And the street video was used to make wanted posters for Socar and his brother That video contains a still frame which shows that he wasn't carrying a heavy weight black backpack And on the contrary he was carrying a lightweight white bag over his right shoulder And so that absolutely spoon him an ordinary criminal case This would have been enough to exclude Socar as a suspect But they were using this as the identifying proof that this was a man they were looking for And not only that but we found a photograph of people who were certainly guilty They were men wearing paramilitary gear and carrying heavy black bags and acts that fit exactly the projections of the FBI crime lab and the allegations of the indictment So that's how we found this out and when I found out I was shocked and fell in moral duty to step up And others know about this, this is not a big secret that I'm talking about But I know one that brought forth a record and we first I represented the Russian aunt of Socar, Tanya, her name is Marit Tsarinaev She's a lawyer, a Russian lawyer, she was a public prosecutor in the Courageeague for public Which was one part of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union is now an independent republic And she lived in Russia at the time and she and I got together because you knew her and introduced her to me And we had long conversations by Skype and by email and sent back documents back and forth And she then wanted to make an intervention as a friend of the court in the prosecution against her nephew Socar in the Federal District Court in Boston For this purpose I had to be admitted as her counsel on special occasion And I required a member of the Federal District Court in Boston to make a motion for my admission Nor will he not a significant thing at all, always done as a matter of courtesy But I found out that the news media had created such a terrible misrepresentation of the facts And covered up so badly and created a public attitude of hatred against anyone who would help Socar So I went to the court, I went to the Barley's on, a lot of the serve of the court And she said, well you have to have merit come in as representing herself, Jose And you can come in as a friend as an counsel but you have to, you can't represent her other than that So I did that, the matter was disposed of by the District Court by the side but at least they made a record Then the matter went up on appeal to the first court of appeals in Boston And when I went up there I explained to the court what the problem was that we couldn't find anybody who was willing to sponsor me They said, well will we, the requirement that you be a member of the Barley's court, you file a motion for us, which I did And you've seen the motion papers, it was accepted by the court and the court granted our motion on the 9th of November 2017 Which means now that evidence, conclusively demonstrating that Socar is not guilty and has been framed in this field by the FBI and the major news media of the United States Will be considered, whereas otherwise it would have been colored up as it had been up at that point in time That's very very encouraging and we're hoping for a good result, but this is the first time in the history Of the American jurisprudence, as far as I'm aware, that a friend of the court motion has been granted in a major criminal case Yes, Jack, a superb accomplishment on your part just for the background for the audience, which is regular leaders, listeners are familiar with the case because we have a promo for my book And nobody died in Boston either, which has 15 contributors in which we explain the place on Bohorns were calling out this is a drill, this is a drill And the Boston Globe was tweeting that a demonstration bomb would be set off during the marathon for the benefit of bomb squad activities Another tweet that one would be set off in a minute in front of the library and low and behold a minute later in front of the Boston public library, one of these puff pieces go off I as a former artillery officer in the Marine Corps have explained that it doesn't appear to have been powerful enough to kill anybody unless perhaps they were actually sitting on top of it And when you appear through the smoke, you found yes, there were bodies, there missing arms and legs, but there was no blood Where in the rain day, as you mentioned, was a head of trauma surgery at San Francisco General Hospital for 25 years Observe this as a physiological impossibility to have arms and legs blown off by explosives that are to be no blood Which only showed up later, Jack I originally thought it came out of tubes and actually came out of little orange backpacks, there were five or six there when the scene was eventually cleared But it was phony blood, Hollywood blood and in fact a Hollywood producer director told me they'd actually use the smoke machine that we poured through photos and videos that we found And I was so astonished, I put a photograph of it on the back cover of the book which is available of course from moon rock books But when I had done a certain amount of research about this, I believe I had already published a video or two and given various presentations and blogs And I was contacted by Merritt who told me that there are images at the scene of the marathon had been photoshopped And I asked how she knew and she said it was because Tamerlin the older brother had a beard, but in the images we find that he's clean shaven And I asked her, I said well Merritt, that's fantastic, can you prove it? And she started sending me evidence, she sent a photograph of Tamerlin-Lindy Benning She's a very very competent Jack, and she sent me a photograph of Tamerlin-Lindy Benning with his cat, he had a beard She sent me a link to Jim Nazion where the two brothers were working out, he had a beard Neither of them were at the marathon, he actually had a phone call from a friend who were leave to discover they'd been nowhere in the vicinity They had dinner together, he had a beard, there's a surveillance footage from a convenience store where Tamerlin's outside Zoker in, he's got a beard When he's arrested in water town, strip naked and put into a police vehicle, he has a beard Then when he shows up dead afterwards, they claim Zoker killed him, but his preposterous once he was taken into police custody And we have a witness who reported seeing the police drive over him three times in a black SUV, which appears to be his own vehicle When his body shows up with a huge gash in the side jack, of course he's still got the beard And it was when you and I made contact, I was showing you the evidence we had in asking what you thought was most important And you observed that it was that the backpacks did not match That's the most precise, simplest way of demonstrating that he couldn't possibly be guilty That's right, that's absolutely right And you wrote about it and I published blogs about it, your work, I published about it and included in the book So it's already in the book, in fact is the FBI investigated the case and concluded that the two backpacks had exploded The two bombs had exploded, we're both in black and nylon backpacks In the indictment for Zoker, it makes the same claim as you correctly observe craft international personnel on the scene where this is a private army We're in khaki trousers and black jackets, black baseball caps And actually been identified as the purpose of the night of the event This shows the efficacy of the internet jack They'd already been identified as the purpose because you see one of them with a friend walking toward the location where one of the bombs blew up He's wearing a black nylon backpack with a white square on it The bomb that blows up is in a black nylon backpack with a white square on it He's rushing away no longer wearing the black nylon backpack with a square on it When they photoshop the boys in they made blunders because as I see it is actually silver, you're describing it as white But it's very different, it's obviously not a black nylon backpack on a Zoker And Tamerlin's backpack is much larger in bulk air, it's clearly not one of the backpacks that exploded So they committed an egregious blunder jack and I just cannot tell you how much I admire what you did in pursuing this And submitting the amicus brief to the court which they then accepted which ought to result in the dismissal of charges against him Well dismissal very least a new trial which amounts to the same thing And because they will know that if they get a new trial they won't be able to go forward again So these same things that dismissal Yeah because the dishonorating evidence will be introduced at the new trial and here I have to fault Judy Clark who is a defense attorney I've made this point Judy Clark was acted unethically, your defense lawyer is supposed to defend rigorously And she said in her opening statements, she's got this radio that's showing the backpacks don't match And that therefore Zoker was not guilty and she said to the jury in her opening statement that Zoker was guilty and it killed people I mean that's just unbelievable except that if you have been in the criminal law business long enough as I have been Which is up till now about 50 years You know that public defenders sometimes throw the case And that's what she did for one reason or another when it was a terrible thing And Zoker's family were pressured by the public defenders office in Boston to accept the Judy Clark And we have an happen David from Marit Sennaiva, the Russian aunt that you've been speaking of That explains how this happened, how she wanted to have Zoker to be defended on the merits And they wouldn't go along with it because of the pressure He said if you do this you'll feel pressure from the government and we won't be able to get Zoker But it was just absurd Jack, that was just balled her dash to put it very polite How much Robbie sure we supposed to be you know ex-sample Well it's so the funny thing about this is not funny it's sad The odd thing, the tragic thing about this is that it should have been that this is an example of a false conviction That was so obvious that in normal circumstances it wouldn't go forward Normally in a federal court where Brady evidence of the kind we're talking about here The kind of evidence that prosecutors must make available to the fence lawyers before the case even starts Evidence attempts to show that the accused is not guilty Brady evidence can be used to support a motion to dismiss And that's what should have been done in this case any competent criminal lawyer who had this Brady evidence Would have made a motion to dismiss the case based upon the Brady evidence So I'm sure the effects that don't match there for Zoker is the wrong suspect Jack this was not done The key point is that a defense attorney has the obligation to mount a vigorous defense to make no withholding of evidence from the court And to present everything that could exonerate their client Because we have a parallel case with Alex Jones There's a mountain of evidence that nobody died at Sandy Hook I have been sending it to his legal representatives And that's exactly what I'm doing Jack and laying it on the line and presenting the evidence But where you can see is substantiate the points I've made so many times the kids were fiction made up out of photographs of older children when they were younger That Noah Posner for example the most prominent of the kids because he also died in Pakistan two years later And where his purported father Lenny Posner said Kelly what a death certificate for Noah which turned out to be a fabrication The bottom half of a real death certificate the top half of a fake with no file number in the wrong estimated time of death is 11 am when the shooting officially took place between 935 and 940 We've been able to show and Kelly also was the one who noticed the resemblance that Noah was made up out of photographs of the fellows supposed to be his older step brother Michael Wagner as a child We've done a huge amount of research on it. We've even created a gift where you see Noah Posner turn into Michael Wagner Well Michael Wagner just graduated from the University of Connecticut stores with a major in economics and work in web design and IT So he created a web page and you can tell I took the image from his web page he says I'm Michael Wagner and you can see it's exactly the same person I have and or not only that Jack but we have established what is unsurprising when you stop and think about it There are photos of Lenny with Noah but since Noah turns out to be Michael Wagner it's not surprising Lenny also turns out to be Michael Wagner's father Ruben So in fact Lenny Posner has been perpetrating a fraud on the court by resenting himself as Ruben Fabner has been perpetrating a fraud on the court by presenting himself as Lenny Posner the father of Noah when neither is true They're both fictions Jack I should think that's a very severe offense to commit Well yes of course it is but the problem here we have is the power dynamics of courthouse politics When you look at a pie-powered case like Sandy Hook or the Boston marathon you can't just consider the law of the evidence you have to consider the power dynamics of courthouse politics And the pressure that is sometimes on these judges in cases of this kind is just tremendous Now the one thing that gives me some encouragement was that the first circuit if they had wanted to continue the cover-up could have denied our motion for amicus intervention and if that had happened that would have been perfectly normal and no one would have protested or been heard to protest But the court granted it which means that they were reaching out not only did they waive the requirement that I be a member of the bar of the first circuit After all members of the bar of the first circuit had refused to give any help at all but they granted the motion which means that they were reaching out for exculpatory evidence They wouldn't do that if they were wanted to continue the cover-up So that's very good and it boasts well that the power dynamics of courthouse politics is not going to prevail here But we don't know what further attempts will be made to intimidate or pressure on the court But I don't think that they can do much now to stop the first circuit from intervening and saying wait a minute This case needs a new trial or a dismissal of charges If that happens the whole country will know that this was a false flag of it if they know about Boston they will then go to the next one which is Sandy Hook and other cases like that And that these cases start falling apart we will know that our government has been subverted from within by domestic enemies We're going to take calls for Jack during the next half hour so I'll give out the number as soon as we return from this break We'll listen to Revolution Radio at FreedomSuits.com We'll be right back at the most message Was it a conspiracy? 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them They do not necessarily represent the opinions of Revolution Radio and FreedomSlips.com, its staff or affiliates You're listening to RevolutionRadio FreedomSlips.com, 100% list their supported radio and now we return you to The O-Host This is an adventure with my very distinguished guest, John Remington Graham, to me Jack We have a phone lines open for the next half hour to raise questions with Jack about the Boston bombing or about Sandy Huck or even the Alex Jones trial with a second guest coming up the second hour The number is 715-245-5975, I repeat, to call in right now for this second half hour of the first hour The number is 715-245-5975 Jack, I just can't tell you how proud I am of your work on this and the fact that you accomplished something which no one appears to have accomplished before by submitting an amicus brief to a circuit court and having it accepted, especially one that's going to be decisive to me that is fantastic Well, we have yet to see whether further pressure will be brought on the court and change the perspective of the good prospects that we have But right now, we are in a good position because the court did not have to grant that motion They could have just denied our motion and no one would have been able to protest but they have indicated that they are reaching out to get this a stulphatory evidence They allowed me to proceed, they waived the requirement that I should be a member of the bar of their court because they were, I had called up and talked to the clerk's office and told him that I had even gone to the American Civil Liberties Union and asked them to sponsor me before the federal district court in Boston They refused and now the lawyers that are evidently selling out so hard have been praised by the press, you can see it This is a situation for the government and the major news, the FBI and the New York Times, CNN, Boston Globe and Washington Post They are working together to create a false impression among the American people, they are abusing the First Amendment I remember seeing it quite like this but the reason why this case is so unusual is that the facts are so clear They said in the indictment and the crime-lap projections of the accused was carrying a black backpack Maybe he was not carrying a white bag or a white bag or a racial or anything These are things which are so clear that you don't see this kind of thing very often in criminal case But this was a very badly done false flag operation I just wonder, I can only speculate what kind of pressure might be brought out of the first circuit at this point Now that they have committed themselves to the search for truth Jack, we do have a caller here from the 303 Erie Code caller, please give us your name and join the conversation This is George calling from Denver I'm quite fascinated by this show and by the work that your guess has done I just want to report something that I found terribly disconcerting I've been following not only your work, Dr. Fetcher, but other people who had looked into the Boston bombing and led Boston bombing Obviously there were irregularities I was out, this is at least two years or not more, two years ago I was out on my afternoon walk and I have to be listening to NPR And on comes a news story They say that Zokar had confessed that the trial that he was found guilty and he confessed that he did it alone I couldn't believe it, now of course they did not have him his own words, it was reported that he said this At the time I was completely shocked because I didn't believe that it was possible that he did it and yet NPR was reporting this as an absolute factual I mean I was absolutely shaken The thing is, I'm trying to make this brief, but with recent revelations of the FBI having these informants embedded within the Trump campaign Which I actually don't find surprising because I imagine that the FBI has informants in almost every group that's organized But it's just getting to the Boston bombing and what you're saying because I believe that you are absolutely convinced that Zokar is innocent That how NPR could be offering this news story that he is confessed I think it's going to get into the question of old wisdom of the law that can blackstone talent there which is used by the framers of the American Constitution as their textbook on the law There's a long discussion about how confessions of the weakest of all evidence and because there are so many agents are created by fraud or misrepresentation or under pressure also And so we have a rule in law that every confessions must be corroborated otherwise it has no merit because I can tell you as a criminal lawyer having had 50 years of experience that confessions are commonplace in criminal law George, I think you have your listening to the radio and you need to turn it down so we're getting the background. Okay, stay on the phone, of course. You can hear everything on the phone. Just turn down your computer. Confession is not a conclusion evidence. False confessions are a thing to every day in criminal law. That's why we have so many attempts of Miranda Warren's statue requiring confessions to be used for writing and so forth. We have a poll letter for the Corpus Westside rule which says that every confessions must be corroborated. Let's take the two alleged confessions in this case. One is in the vote in Watertown. Zonkar would have had a special writing experience to write out that confession in Watertown. Not only that, but if his confession had been proved he would have been carrying a black accent by the fact. But he was carrying a white accent so we know that he was a confessions. Same thing happened with Zonkar, named as an statement of suspicious is Ramakad Piety, you know, Mothel and Feasty on the Endland. And then talked about his lawyers as lovely companions. What America and Youth like Zonkar, what his talks about is his lawyers as lovely companions. So you know what was getting started with this decision there. And again, the confessions does not match up to the missing backsecks and the missing and the foot-foaming blood. The doctor, the missing backsecks and I, the side, or the foot-foaming blood, the doctor, day has pointed out. If these confessions were right, Zonkar would have been carrying a black accent. And the blood would have appeared when the spoke should appear and it would have been the right color. But it's just like if you have a white confess of murder in Baltimore at noon yesterday and you find that at noon yesterday, I was a Minneapolis Minnesota, you know that my confession was false. And in false confessions are very common, very common. Of course, Jack, in this case, it was compounded by her stating in her opening statement they did it. When she had to know for a certainty they had not done it. I mean, this is disgraceful conduct on her part for which, in my opinion, she deserves to be dismarred. Well, she should be, she should be, she certainly should not have confessed that he did it when she had concluded the evidence that her hands that he didn't do it. And I mean, whether there's always a question whether a confession can be admitted. But there are many times when confessions are not admitted, many times they are admitted. But the confession is not corroborated with other evidence in the case. So if Zonkar had said he was going to, so alleged confessions, was true. He wouldn't have been carrying the black accent. And the blood wouldn't have been a bright orange red Hollywood color when it appeared and it would have appeared at the right time. So the, what effect is really not a serious confessions? Well, I think in this particular case, the confession came after the fact that the way I understood it anyway, that he had been found guilty by the court and then confessed. Yes. Yes. So it's completely odd. I want to add another question. This, this attorney that was representing him. Is she the same person that represented the Aurora theater shooter? She's been involved in several of these suits, George. I think she's used as a clean up hitter. They create a mess and they want to frame someone they bring in Judy Clark. That's my opinion. Yeah. I think I did hear that she represented the Aurora theater shooter, which I, it's a bit off the subject, but similar. I found that case to be very, very odd. I think the guy's name was Holmes. The orange hair and the, and he was looked like he was on drugs. Like I couldn't imagine that someone would appear before the court in such a, this several state as you would think that his family or someone would, you know, get in there and try to get him cleaned up before he appeared before the judge. I just found that the circumstances are very strange. If you, if you take a look at so, and Merrick, certain others after David, on the 17th of April, 2015, you will see that his family basically treated. I think it was mother. Zobida. Merrick wanted him to have a, and his mother agreed with these lawyers. The pressure, I succumbed to the pressure from the lawyers in, in Boston. But I think her, her conduct is, is very strange. I think indeed what she really wishes is to have Zobida executed so she can call down the curses of our family in the United States. There are a lot of crazy things about this case that just have to be weighed very much. Well, let me ask you this. Do you, do you think there's any possibility that the two brothers were somehow working with the FBI in this investigation and then, and then that they've been putting a witness protection program or something like that or moved off shore that they're not even being incarcerated. And maybe the, I know Jim thinks that the older brother was killed. I'm not sure he was. Well, I don't, I don't know about that because I think he was, but that is my concern, my concern is whether Zoker is guilty because he's been sentenced to death. He's found guilty on the circumstances where he could not possibly be guilty because of that. Well, I think it's pretty clear that the, that the, uh, crab international uniforms match the backpack in question that was put forward to them. There's a little doubt about that. You mean the guys that can carry military gear? Yes. Yeah, the backpack. That backpack match their backpack. Yes, of course. Yes. We had, it's not a case where not only the backpack, Zoker, that that does not conform to the indictment or the FBI, crime lab. Uh, it's more than that we actually had photographs of guys who at the time and place of the explosions, if they were explosions. Uh, what we're carrying a heavyweight backpack, that other time were identified by the FBI and the indictment. So it's not a question, uh, not knowing who they were. The FBI didn't even question these guys. So there's something, I mean, there's something obviously wrong to think about this, that you're who is now investigating, you can come. It was ahead of the FBI at the time of this case. They didn't even masturbate the question. What these guys carry heavyweight backpack, sex, other guys who get attacked by the FBI, crime lab, and identify with the sub-apparatve of the indictment. I mean, it's just, uh, it's just really, it's really exciting. I wouldn't say talking. I've seen so much of this type of thing happening before in other cases. I've seen lawyers who have betrayed their clients. I've seen connections with men who shouldn't have ever been convicted. I've seen, uh, quittles that were, they should have had any, uh, loud, but they were, they were arranged and so on. The criminal justice was far less perfect than what people think. And you have a very common misimpressionist confessionist conclusion that as well. You can pass that into the end of the question. I don't mean a lot. There are many, many false compressions in that criminal law, which is why we have all this information about the court of the Swiss guy rule and Miranda Woyg's and such like special rules that needed to reinforce confessions, presences, or. George, your questions have been simply excellent. We have a second caller here from Mary code 408. You're welcome to stay on George. Mary code 408. Yes, hi. It's, uh, it's Paul. How are you, my friend? Okay. Um, so, you know, I had a couple of interesting, uh, you know, points I thought are worth making. I'm sure you'll immediately recognize these points, Jim. Um, and I, with all respect to what your guest is doing or attempting to do, I mean, I do admire anybody who, you know, makes the effort to go into this so called court system and do a little battle, no matter, you know, what your, your purposes are. I mean, it's, I think it's something that should be fought. But there's a couple of things that he said. In fact, one of them just a few minutes ago when he said if there even was an explosion and, you know, prior to that, you know, the, the things that we were being discussed. Um, and what your, your guest is attempting to do is to show, you know, guilt or not. Okay. In other words, whether Zokar was guilty in the course, you know, in his opinion, he's clearly not guilty. But I would just say guilty or not guilty of what smoke bombs, you know, throwing fake blood down on the ground, um, you know, getting the whole thing organized in cooperation with the, uh, the Boston Police Department. And, you know, multiple federal agencies more than likely. I mean, it's sort of like, and I mean, I'm sure, you know, again, it just you could link this to all sorts of other things that are going on and have been going on for a very long time. But if in the corners report, Thomas Noguchi, who was, you know, the LA County corner at the time, says that RFK was shot from behind, you know, right near the ear from a distance of a distance of a distance. One to three inches such that left powder burns on a collar. Then how on earth could Sirhand, Sirhand be found guilty in a court of law when all the witnesses placed him in front of Robert Kennedy. So in other words, did the bullets make a U-turn? I mean, this is the court's sort of system that we have in this country. I mean, whether it's the media, the government, the courts, you know, you just don't have a chance in hell of getting anybody to say uncle. But again, I do admire the efforts of your guests and you're free to comment on what I said. Well, a lot of times, in most trials and I must say, I have ruled out that 90% of people we have accused of criminal prosecution or guilty. I have no doubt that most criminal cases are fundamentally housed. But there are times when there have been attempts to purport public justice. And this just so happens with the murder of Kennedy is an example of this. Sirhand, Sirhand is very suspicious. I don't know much about that case although I know Dr. Pepper, who brought the wrongful death action in Memphis that identified someone out of the person convicted and murdered as a real person. I don't know about Sirhand, Sirhand. I don't have a opinion on that. But I certainly had one on Zolkar. Well, I mean, I would just say this. So I think Jim knows is quite well and probably will not disagree. So as far as Dr. Pepper, yes, he's absolutely amazing. I've heard several of his shows going back years and I picked up one of his books a long time ago. But that just sort of makes the point. I'm not going to say my point, but it makes the point that how often has Dr. Pepper been featured on CNN or Fox or other people that are controlling the narrative and spinning the narrative. This is something that in my opinion, and this is again, it's just one of those things I've already said that I admire anybody that goes into the court system and does battle. And whether you win or lose, it's not that important. But even if you do win, again, the narrative, the story is not going to change. Because there's a certain group of very powerful people and organizations and they cooperate internationally and they control everything. But Paul, you're ignoring the basic accomplishment here, namely of submitting an Amicus Curie brief on behalf of three American citizens of whom I am the first name that provides inclusive evidence that he was not guilty of the offense because the backpacks don't match where the court accepted the brief. They were not obligated to do that, which leads leds credence to the prospect that they're in fact going to reverse the conviction. I mean, that's what's remarkable about that and why Jack is here today. No, I'm not ignoring it. I mean, I'll make a prediction just for the fun of it is that that will never take place. It will never reverse the conviction. Well, let's see what we have. We don't know is the nature and the strength of the power dynamics and courthouse politics. That could have an effect. We don't know what we don't know about that, but we did the point is that if they were going to be if they were subject to this kind of pressure, they didn't have to grant the motion at all. Maybe they intended to do right when they granted the motion and their minds will change later on because of pressure brought upon them. That could happen. But I don't know what it would be. They didn't have they didn't have the obligation to accept his amicus curi brief. It would have been much simpler if they wanted to perpetuate the fraud to simply deny it. Ignore it. Nobody knows a better. Hardly anyone would have been aware that it even been submitted. Same for me and a couple of others, including Mary. So I think you're being overly contrived here in your argument. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying there's really just not a good reason to think you're right in this case. Well, again, I would just say again without I'm not in any way, you know, ignoring the accomplishment as you put it. I mean, that's not what I'm saying. I mean, I think you know that and I can only say it, you know, like I just did. But you know, at the most, I think, or let's say at best, I think it's just, you know, it's an anomaly. Okay. I mean, I'm sure you're sure gets to spend much more time in a courtroom than I have and probably seen a lot more than I have. But I've seen plenty and I've seen so much corruption and so much ignoring of the law. I've read, you know, multiple, you know, court decisions on various things. And I like I said, I've seen myself and I've also read so-called caselaw. And you know, the biggest joke in the world is caselaw because you can find caselaw to support both sides of any argument. And some of the rationality twisted, you know, legal gymnastics that some judges engage in to justify a wrong decision in certain cases and certain categories of law, it staggers the mind. So again, I with all due respect and admiration anybody that goes into court does battle. I respect it. I try to stay out as much as possible. The main thing I've been involved in over the years is traffic tickets and you know, like attack stuff. You know, because that's what the average person in America encounters. That's the average legal burden that most people run into. Paul Jacksonly going to be with us a minute or two more. I want to give him an opportunity to get in a few final words. Okay, I appreciate the call. I thought you and George were excellent. Jack, please do continue to further your further reflections. 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The name is Dean Ryan. I want to report an active shooter report from Wright Patterson Air Force near Dayton, Ohio. I actually attended Wright State in Dayton for a year studying computer science and artificial intelligence and a special program for PhDs and philosophy and linguistics before I became a professor. I was hired as a full professor with tenure on the Duluth campus of the University of Minnesota. There are several signs that this is a clear false flag. The shooting incident followed an active shooter drill. This is very analogous for what we have at the London 777 for example. If you have never watched the exposé of the subway bombing there by ModDib in Title 777 Ripple Effect, you won't believe it because in one hour he goes to the whole planning of the drill, Peter Power in Charge where the explosions occur on the same tube stops in the same location for embossas in the drill. The drill and where the four Muslim lads were apparently have been lured into playing the role of participants were actually it turned out unable to be on the scene at the time because the train from Luton had been canceled that day as Nick Colourstrom discovered he's become the leading expert on the London 777 drill. The first time I saw his book, Terror on the Tube is now in his third edition. So when you hear that there's an active shooter following an active shooter drill you have good reason to be suspicious. I was also informed just before coming on the air that the FBI was already taking it over. Some of the comments are very, very good about this issue. Here's one. Francis Marks, Yon, Kendall Seat writes, with all the holes in the other false flag active shooter ship they finally figured out having the event on a military basis ideal. It's a close set and uncomplicated things, um, complicates things immensely. It avoids hiring crisis actors off of Craigslist. You can avoid pesky videos from popping up besides half the time the crisis actor is filmed, gaffling just before he starts bawling for the camera. How about that fat corner who was speaking pure gibberish and photographed earlier as a cop he's actually talking about Wheeler David Wheeler mixing him with Wayne Carver and didn't know how to hold a rifle. That was true of David Wheeler who now played the role of a grieving father but also swat team member marching up and down Dickens and drive carrying a, and, and, and our, a, our 15 upside down by the magazine completely absurd. Another comment here from replace me sounds like was over pretty quick opening roads and gates meet hammer says what isn't in active shooter a shooter having a piss break old guy oh five says dead. Well, this is one more false flags and my, my new guest now for the second hour is an investigative journalist, a producer, a TV and radio host who's about to launch his new show entitled human conditions about what which we shall learn more. He has recently been engaged in looking into the parkland shooting and Santa Fe he and I have done events before where together just for your information I think very highly of Dean Ryan Dean welcome to the raw deal. Jim it's very great to be here and unfortunately we have free and I under this unfortunate information. Another potential false flag but I guess we're the right guys attack a lot aren't we. Well there's no doubt about it Dean I'd rather fascinating that you've gone down to parkland and both around and also to Santa Fe and done more of the same I'd be interested in whatever you might be able to share with us though I suspect you may be inclined to hold back for your new show human conditions when it's aired. Well actually I let me just do a small correction I'm producing another separate show called real investigations with Kurt Haskell who's actually hosting a show where we did fly down to Orlando Paul's nightclub we went to parkland high school we went to Houston to the Santa Fe high school then we got a rental car went up to Santa Fe Springs where the church shooting was so I'm producing that show separate of my own show coming out human conditions which will get to later but within the filming that Kurt and I did what we found was just an incredible wealth of information that probably all the scholars in our industry have yet to discover or find out. For instance we went down to Orlando which I wasn't too familiar with which Kurt is in yourself and to piggyback what you just said earlier about this recent shooting that just took place where Orlando's nightclub is Paul's it is a tiny nightclub kind of out of the it's kind of out of the the outstrips of Main Street and so forth. In a very controlled environment I was actually shocked to see how small the nightclub was and why would they just pick some random nightclub and what we found out and is the shooter in this case was actually planning to go to Walt Disney World to do the event and like you said earlier if you're in Walt Disney World everybody's got a camera you cannot control the environment you can't control the pricey actors or the crisis actors that show up afterwards but what we found in particular with with Orlando is there are people that are actually suing the city and suing the police and the nightclub so what we found out is a lot of the victims are tending to embellish what would happen to them or they're encounter with the shooter. It is a money grab at the end of the day but what that said what we found in Parkland was quite shocking and eerie. Let's stay with Orlando momentarily Dean let me just make some observations since we may have different interpretations the permit for the club it expired three years before in other words it wasn't even an operating club I'm convinced it was selected because it was a lot of time. It's selected because it's like the Sandy Hook Elementary School had been abandoned it had a legal occupancy of only 150 consistent with your description of the size it had only 11 parking spaces if it had been chock full of over 300 revelers it would not only have been in violation of the law but there would have been abandoned vehicles all over the place after 50 were killed and 58 were injured. The crisis acting at the Orlando was pathetic it was probably the worst in US history not with standing it where Harrison Hanks has done a completely brilliant job about the best crisis actor awards for 2017 and features several of them I mean it was comical Dean so I just want to say you know these lawsuits are stage their phone either fake because they were there was criticism about Sandy Hook that the parents didn't suit. So they learned from past experience I guarantee they're not going to go anywhere are they're going to be used as payoffs the whole thing was an elaborate charade of this I have no doubt at all in fact Orlando was so worried about having you know losing customers tore us to the area since it's such a big draw particularly with with Disney World as you observe that they put out two videos music videos. Music videos called dance Orlando dance one with actors dressed as doctors and nurses what another with actors dressed as policemen and police women they were laughably bad. But Alexander by the way was a completely brilliant guy realize that there were video productions by Melissa at the Ridge and Christina Aguilara that fit the post the team as it was promulgated through the press to a T full productions are out within days he himself as a composer and the musician and he observed it was absurd to suppose this could have been done had it not been planned well in advance. So you can find a you know his blog Orlando the musical at James Spencer not blogs bot com and he had a sequel Orlando the musical to because he discovered that in New York City they were able to bring together about 150 Broadway actors and actresses I mean these are like the busiest people in the world to do a full scale production you know in honor of Orlando in other was this whole thing was a package deal a lot of things. Lots of people were making money so your point about the bottom line I think is well taken but I don't want anyone to seriously conclude that anyone was actually killed there the whole thing was fraudulent. So you know I don't want to give too much away because I really want people to watch our show with hurt myself in our discovery but what we you know we went to the nightclub and Disney seems to have a major presence they have a almost a greater at the memorial that they built around the nightclub. I would say the montage of pictures they put around the club some of which include Anderson Cooper some of which include Vegas strong in you know Disney characters and the gay community so that was definitely there we didn't witness a lot of bullet holes we actually met a lot of the victims who lost their boyfriends that didn't want to go on record I met one of the DJs that was there she it was a lot of people. I mean people would tear up when you brought it up you know Kurt and I we really got down on the trenches we went undercover into the gay nightclub scene for three nights three nights in a row which is very difficult but I think people find it very amusing and our spin on it what we saw in film so it's kind of a mixed bad and Kurt had a one on one conversation with the head P.I. who's actually involved in some of the lawsuits. And the footage of the nightclub and I'll let Kurt tell that story when we released the film but the carnage is pretty terrible from what I understand but I don't want to give too much I really want to leave the rest for for people to discover through our show real investigations coming very soon. I mean I'm not going to disparage you in Kurt for your research I would just observe they even released a video that was supposed to be from inside the club and the parts where they were showing the gunman had no date time stamp you didn't see any bodies inside the club you saw at one point a gunman walking around it was all very grainy with no date time stamps the parts of the video that did have date time stamps were from outside. But I found most striking about the videos from the outside was a complete absence of automobiles I mean look you can't have 300 people there with 11 parking spaces and have no automobiles all over the place that was one of the points I made in the beginning if they had been there there would have been abandoned vehicles all over the place they were not there. In the quality of the crisis acting there was pathetic you have some you know some of these who were recruited carrying one another past the camera when they got out of camera range or so they thought they put them down and he danced a little jig. Because they thought they'd done such a good job but it was ridiculous they were even carrying the guy toward the club rather than away I mean I'm telling you it's going to take a lot of convincing so count me skeptical but I love the fact that you went there. With current and you're doing this research and you're going to report it I can't wait I can't wait to see what you've got. Oh yes and Jim too and you know during our investigations and our filming you know I had you on speed dial the whole time so you were definitely a help with Orlando and so forth. And just to give the audience kind of a picture or an image of how big the club was or how small it was I would picture try to imagine the same size of a McDonald's that's probably the size of the club you know with and length and everything plus parking lot so it was really small but moving on from Orlando curtain myself we did three four nights there. It was a tough one Jim it was very tough a lot of people didn't want to talk so we we took a car we got a rental car we drove from Orlando to Parkland and Parkland completely different that whole area in in Broward County completely different from Orlando where the high school of the Parkland High School is literally surrounded by some probably the richest neighborhood in Florida. So rich so rich that you probably can find a bus stop around that high school you can't even find a trash can a city trash can on the street so it's a very rich community it's I would say it's a Jewish community. We actually met up with Roger Stone and Fort Lauderdale who gave us a lot of insight about Sheriff Israel and you know Roger told us he's a complete bumbling idiot. The sheriff that is and really has no clue of what it takes to be a sheriff he was doing private security for a long time and I kind of put in there is to be kind of a puppet. So you know I would say Parkland what we found out Parkland is and we actually did go to the shooters residents we found we found the home address we tried to interview the kids nobody wanted to talk Parkland High School is literally set up like a military camp there's eight vehicles there clearly there's FBI there's police cars at every corner. They even have watch towers sitting in the Parkland it's like a military zone and Baghdad and we walked there and I was walking with the camera and the looks that I got from the cops is they probably thought I had a gun so I thought it was interesting how Kurt made me hold the camera. I remember calling I remember calling Fedser and I said Jim this could be the last call I have so I just want to let you know if you don't hear from me in two hours please call family and friends so that was interesting. And we actually did the route we drove the route of the alleged killer and what he walked and he went to the grocery store then he went to the subway we actually spoke to the cashier at the subway who remembers crews and what he ordered we actually spoke to a little security guard and I believe it was the Walmart. So we really went and we went pretty deep into it and subsequently the the gentleman who's a friend of ours provided us the actual yearbooks of 2017 and 2018 which we have in our possession now and what we discovered to and I don't want to get again I don't want to get too much into it but I will leave you on this Jim is one of the supposed dead kids. I actually have the pleasure meeting well I like that being that's good little cliffhanger for it's like it's like no a posner having grown up and graduated from the university kinetic at stores with a major of economics and having a website where you can tell it's the same person who was used as a basis for the photographs of the fictional no a posner I mean it's just disgraceful how much of this Dean I think it's wonderful you're doing this research and we're going to see what he's doing. And you know I am always open to new evidence new alternative hypotheses I would look forward to seeing what you and Kurt have to present and why why you add a few words about your human condition show and we can continue to talk about Santa Fe for example and then if you have the church shooting you know that was one of the more bizarre cases because that church it was like you were in a rock studio you know they had these one had a double net guitar with an amplifier and all that it was absolutely abnormal in every respect and of course frankly I don't believe anyone died either of those locations they were more state shootings are trying to target different groups to do it still fear the church shooting of course for evangelicals you know my god they could even come into your church and have a slaughter a serious example which would be killed by the church. By the way if anyone's never seen the film you want to be sure that because that is a bit of a masterpiece unlike what happened at Santa Fe or this church shooting but but Dean don't let me you know take the time I want you to have to talk about Santa Fe and and the church shooting and then we'll come back to your show. Absolutely well you know real quick before we have a hard break coming up is so from Fort Lauderdale we took a plan out of Miami and we landed in Houston which was just extremely hot as hell right in the middle of summer and we we caught up we went to Houston to the Santa Fe high school and it was night and day Jim we went to the high school to walk around there was no security apparatus anywhere it was very just kind of a loose atmosphere we caught the graduation a lot of the kids they had on the jumbo tron that they played during the graduation not a lot of people stood up or recognized them a lot of them I believe were underclassmen 9th grade, 10th grade so there wasn't that strong feeling as there was in Parkland we we we interview the an insider whose children went to the high school he's been vetted I know him he's a dear friend of my my close friend we walked the same footsteps as the killer who went to the back where there's no the back of the high school where there's no cameras and so forth and it I would say it the where it gets hairy is you know it could have been a legitimate shooting but then at the same time the ATF and the FBI are right on you know the sideline saying oh look we discovered a dud bombs which spark the light bulb for Kirk has school who experienced the underwear bomber in 2009 it was the same kind of dud bomb narrative so it really hit home for Kirk and I got to tell people to Kirk has school some of the best commentary really good investigation work is really at the genius of Kirk has school and I cannot wait till it people have the opportunity to see that so that's what we learned in Houston and it was a kind of a somber mood as well as one would expect we went to the we went to the graduation we probably spent a day there that's probably as much as we could and from there we took a we took a rental car and we drove all the way to Santa Fe Springs for the church we met the mother of the deceased 14 year old girl who is the daughter of the preacher we walked in the church we saw the bullet holes all over the floor that were I believe from an AR 15 or shotgun rather we stood in the places it's a monument now and they have the seats there where everyone was killed and all the parishioners and we we met a lot of the people that stole the church and let me just add to for all of our filming in every event that we investigated with the exception of with the exception of Orlando we did visit the gravesites for a lot of these deceased yeah they have gravesites at Sandy hook to in fact they they did a big such a shoddy way that you know you can Photoshop the gravesites no one goes there no one cares about it because no one's buried there let me say we're going to invite callers again the number 715245 5975 I'm going to give you a chance to say more Dean 715245 5975 if anyone wants to call ask questions or Dean or me about Parkland Parkland the standard pay the church shooting Orlando you're welcome to do that I'm sure Dean will be happy to feel the and Dean I can't wait for your shows to get on the air I think that's absolutely fantastic we have this to look forward to well absolutely and I think it's just bringing it up real quick and in segway for a moment I'm doing my own show and you know if anyone that's followed a fancier in myself we used to work very closely shown I did I guess we're hitting them right Jim yeah we'll pick it up Dean when we come back here I have a Dean Ryan talking about a host of these cases even investigating with her husband Paul if you have questions where he's going to do that yeah where they conspiracies have you ever wondered if we really did go to the moon if Paul McCartney died in 1966 and was replaced by an even better musician they do know that Saddam Hussein died in a B1 bomber strike on 70 April 2003 and was replaced by one of his doubles who was put on trial and hanged in his place or that Osama bin Laden died in Afghanistan on the 15th of December 2001 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