JIM FETZER "The Real Deal" Dr. Katherine Horton discusses electronic torture and deep state

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This is Jim Fetzer, your host on the real deal, where it's a great pleasure to interview once again Dr. Catherine Horton, who's been a target and individual subjected to an unbelievable array of electronic forms of harassment and even manipulation. Her entire body appears to have been shipped where even a bystander on the street can induce physiological reactions that she's passed by within a certain distance. Catherine, I can't believe what you've been through. I'm not only so grateful to have you here as my guest, but to notice that you've been doing other interviews with other outlets for quite a while, which I think is tremendously to the good because it's so important your story get out to the public. Thank you. Well, thank you very much for having me on because today is the 26th of December, so during critically intensively and now that very many of them are alone, so it always helps to reach out and for them to know that things are happening in the background and we are working to shut these crimes down. Well, thank you very much. In my understanding is over a holiday, they can intensify their attacks and that this past Christmas has been no exception. That's right. Yes. So for those people who are new, there are two attack modes. One of them is really the firing of direct-to-denji weapons out of victim and this can happen through the walls of a home because standard microwave weapons alone pass through the normal wall at 50% intensity. So if somebody doubles the intensity, it's like being microwave in your own home and you're defenseless. So on the one hand, we have these direct-to-denji weapons and then on the other hand, pretty much all the victims I know are also implanted. So these are chip implants but also nanotech implants and they can be used to cause pain, to cause heating and cause another plethora of physiological effects but also for example the cramping or sudden relaxation of muscles and stuff like that. So what we are looking at is really a modern society where a very large fraction has been biorobotized and can be accessed by remote control for the purposes of torture, rape or general harassment and or be completely disabled. So I believe the reason why you are in particular such an exceptional witness to these advances because my virtue of your scientific background, your education, your training, your intelligence, you turn out to be an unwitting or involuntary participant observer in these social behavior manipulation experiments are being conducted by the deep state in both the USA, the UK and elsewhere around the world. It's a shocking story in frankly most Americans for example would find it bewildering to even be, have a description of what you've been going through because they would think it was on the order of science fiction or science fantasy but the fact is that the technology exists to induce precisely the kinds of manipulative harassing behaviors to which you've been subjected and it's an astonishing but true story. One of the cases where truth is indeed stranger than fiction. Absolutely. I am and it has to be remembered that these weapons have been developed decades ago. So for example there were very prominent cases recently in 2016 and 17 of diplomats, US diplomats being attacked with these weapons and one said was diplomats in Cuba and the other said was US diplomats in China and in both cases I think the doctors about first the media put out that it was maybe a sonic attack and then later on for the Swiss media recently put out that possibly mass psychosis whatever the hell that is but in actual fact in both cases the doctors found that these people actually suffered brain damage and that the most likely candidate were microwave weapons. So this is now in the years 2016 and 17 but already in the 1970s the US Embassy in Moscow was irradiated with microwave weapons so we are talking 48 years after these attacks over 40 years after the attacks and during that time microwave weapons not just continue to exist they were they were basically advanced the entire research and development was taken secret. So for example Dr. Barry Trauer a British microwave expert says that up until I think the mid 70s it was perfectly fine to open and talk about research into microwave weapons but then the British government classified the entire research and it went dark and I think that was precisely the point where they discovered that these microwave weapons are so powerful when it comes to influencing the human brain and I think what happened in those 40 to 50 years of secret development is that they are experimented with miscellaneous influencing technologies and also what I call remote controlled you know brain lobotomy microwave lobotomy so that now it seems they're trying to behavior modify humans by literally damaging parts of their brain and they're trying to to control people you know one of the things I observed they were trying to control and manipulate my husband at night so I would wake up in the middle of the night he would be an absolute agony and then when I was trying to find out what's happening with him I discovered I can't wake him up he is absolutely groaning and moaning and pain and when I put my hand on his head I realized I'm reaching into an agonizing painful microwave beam that's directly aimed at his head and it seemed to come from one of our neighbors so that seems to be some kind of yeah human experimentation human influencing and typically and what's happening to many many victims and what is also the case with me I've got ear implants that can be used as the kind of wookie talky so I can be sent audio commands now there are certain victims who are being blasted with audio communication 24-7 and it's a method of psychological disintegration so these agents would be using mass surveillance information from phone calls their laptop which can be surveyed on anything and even indoor surveillance to kind of give these people a live commentary about their life and trying to disconcert them how to abuse it the men's on and so on now there's one class of victims that has this so-called voice to skull 24-7 and there's another class of victims that has exactly the same ear implants that allow this telecommunication but they're not aware of it and I'm in the slatic category so I do not have voice to skull however once an agent actually did give me an audio command and it literally sounds like it was a man I've never heard his voice before but it sounds like you have ear headphones in so suddenly in one ear I had the perfectly clear announcement and he said get up and open the door and moments later I heard my husband arrive home and I really put his knees not his keys in the in the door so this was something that only a person who was watching him and me could have you know brought about and that's when I realized oh indeed I do have these ear chips now the reason why it's really important for the victims to know how it's done is because once it's broken down to the individual elements of deception and what technology is being used it's much easier to understand you know so for very long time are the what I call the pseudo science of psychiatry they have put out this notion that hearing voices is some sort of mental aberration an actual fact as a physicist and systems analyst I personally find it physically impossible for chemical imbalance or for disease to create some sort of effect in the brain that equates to exactly the language spoken perfect grammar and full sentences that just mysteriously happened to match up with trauma based mind control scripts so this is impossible so what we're dealing with is agents who have implanted in modern day hearing device and are sending audio transmissions and whatever the hell they like conversations abuse other sound effect all the sort of stuff it's very easy to understand but once you know that these are the key elements it's also easy to understand what these people are doing and I think in the case of my husband they did some sort of a version training so they cause intense headaches by microwave irradiation I mean already the pain in the bone is already substantial when these microwave weapons are hitting but then it can be combined with audio transmissions and certain scripts that would be repeated paths in his dream because I did notice that his personality changed he suddenly said and seemed to think you remember things that never happened and there was some sort of brain work done on him and eventually it led to the breakup of our marriage but this is I know for sure that this is one thing that they are doing well I was going to I was going to ask whether he survived these attacks and whether he were a source of emotional physical support for you but since in fact he it led to the disillusion of your marriage did you have specific conversation about what was going on do you believe he understood did he have the intellectual background the scientific understanding you possess of what was taking place at him yeah so he he was a theoretical physicist so he also had a PhD from Oxford but in theoretical particle physicist physics was I'm an experimental particle physicist so he understood very well but I think at first he couldn't believe it and then he was just overwhelmed he just wanted to get out of the entire situation however so while he did get out and you know we are separated and we are getting a divorce I also have evidence that his family was attacked just like my family was attacked as well so it's very very difficult and this is why I'm saying I know that many other victims are in exactly the same situation and you have kind of this choice of all just letting people go and not talking about this but I think it's a very short term strategy these people have to face up to what's going on because they have to protect the individual families as well you know so my understanding now after having researched this as an investigator for over a year and a half now is that well from the many many victim cases that I am aware of I can tell victims that it's not just one person who's being attacked it's an not just even not even entire families it's entire social circles so you might not realize but your friends might be attacked your relatives even distant relatives might be attacked it's and it's one program even pets are attacked actually pets are the first ones to be killed off often because they want to induce trauma they want to calibrate the weapons and stuff like that so the typical victim case will have electromagnetic weapon assaults pretty much 24-7 then depending on the experimental program they would either have chip torture so heating and pain of chips or they would have voice to skull some people have both they would report about the strange illness of pets and eventually the death of pets then also the strange illness and eventual death of relatives or family members and so on and so on and typically they also have financial sabotage car sabotage these crimes are so all encompassing we have never ever seen anything like that before on this scale Elizabeth you believe that these attacks on your husband were intended to separate you so he wouldn't continue to be in a position to support you emotionally physically in another way so are you believe he was simply independently being attacked in which case I would expect they would continue to this day even though you're now separated and no longer living together have the attacks continued on him to this day I can't tell because he himself wasn't aware I think he was attacked at night but during the day he wasn't aware of the attacks as I was I really don't know that's that's the issue I think well to be absolutely honest I think we were both attacked or we were both implanted at University of Oxford so one of the things I can show in a moment is a book an entire book about chips that was written also showing images of chips that were operated out of victims written by Dr. Hildegard Sandinger an Indian production and the second paragraph she says that the leading universities into these so-called artificially intelligent medical devices are the universities of Warwick Oxford and Nottingham now I was at Oxford and so was my husband and when we first got together I did see and find some little device in his lower thigh that was just under the skin and when I took it out I realized well now I would recognize it as a shell as a pellet shell as a delivery device for chip and plant so this is when we first got together and I think he was independently of me already a human experimentation subject and I think what was his reaction to your discovery of this device and removal from his thigh well he just he just said oh it's nothing forget about it and you know it looked like almost like well those people would do a hunting for guineafile you sometimes see the shot this little pellets you know sometimes you even find them in guineafile if you if you have it as a meal well it was just that size and at first I thought is that really you know a little lead pellet from these shots and then when I took it out I realized it's extremely hard but it's perfectly light so and it was kind of hollow inside and had a little opening now that is an extremely odd device you know to find an in a person embedded in in his skin so this was really something that was some form of modern technology and since then I discovered that these chips are also delivered sometimes by literally by shooting it's called RFID sniper rifles so people can be sniped as they're walking down the street and then would end up with depending on whether shot you know with the chip and embedded in their shoulder or their neck and so on so these things exist you just feel like a minor stain or yeah pretty much yes it does feel like I don't suddenly your your muscles you know twitch or have some sharp pain for no reason that's exactly what it what it feels like I was shot like that in in Zurich walking down the street and when I turned around the guy just pulled something out of the bushes through it in the car and just made off and it looked richy like a I can elongate it gun type of device so fascinating fascinating uh do you think it has anything to do whatsoever with the fact you're both in particle physicists see as a theoretical particle physicist you as an experimental do you believe it's at all related um no I don't think so and that's for the reason um that I also have heard of two lawyers at Cambridge who became victims they were undergraduates one victim is known to be a victim of gang stalking and harassment by her Oxford cuters who started doing all sorts of what I call cartel signaling so odd spelling and odd behavior during lectures not types of targeting and the other person is um an undergraduate who the newspapers reported about at Cambridge I think also studying law and uh in in her case they placed rubber ducks in her room and then increasingly these rubber ducks were mutilated and it became very very strange but that is that is typical for these intelligence agencies that's exactly what they do is sort of psychological terrorism returning to your point about the psychiatric association claiming that sounds of voices or uh psychiatric symptom uh it seems to me they're only two alternative explanations either technology for harassment and manipulation is just greatly exceeded this the curve they're learning curve and this there are reports about psychiatric phenomena haven't caught up to the current state of things or they're indeed actually infiltrated which would be in my opinion very unsurprising and they want to make it out as though anyone who's reporting on symptoms that are perfectly bonafied in legitimate what you're detailing with exquisite precision are fantasms of the mind that they indicate some kind of mental illness or disturbance and that of course becomes a cover a camouflage a concealment of the actual ongoing social experiments in manipulating human behavior I think it's the latter and there's evidence for that because the person who founded the uh I think it's the Canadian Psychiatric Association was I always forget his first name but this is a James Ewen Cameron he was a person involved with MK Ultras so Cerney might think it's Cameron but um so he he was one of the scientists who conducted MK Ultras I think in the US and was I think also one of these Operation Paperclip Nazi types and and then he founded the Psychiatric Association in Canada so of course you know anything that these victims would report would be classified as a Psychiatric disorder or some sort of fantasy so that these military black projects are covered up and I think it was the the former chief medical officer of Finland Dr. Oni Kilder so she was very famous very well known and she blew the whistle about human uh implanting and he slipped off on weapon attacks and um she said that um the DSM is specifically written to cover up the the symptoms of direct eventive weapon attacks and non-concentral and planting and also is a set note I find that 100% plausible I I'm not surprised at all that was my conjecture indeed look from an epidemiological perspective are you aware of patterns where this is taking place it appears to me there's a concentration in the UK you mentioned warwick Oxford was it leads three universities are fairly prominent in the UK as being leaders in this field it's really applied psychology and you know you seeing a modern technology to manipulate behavior are you aware of clusters of victims that have shown up that would be indicative that we could do you know diagrams of the population where these are occurring to sort out well what's taking place are you there yes yes I'm here I think the connection is very weak I am but I can I can hear you fine I hope yes they kind of are they're kind of are clusters are victims in all countries but the number of victims is extremely high in some and Germany is one of these countries where the number of victims is Germany is one of the countries Germany is one of the countries yeah they may be attempting to interfere with our interview this would be unsurprising in the extreme as well were you saying Germany is one of the countries where there's a high number Germany exactly so Germany is one and the reason for that they are it's it's not surprising because we've now found out that Germany to this day is a colony of the Allies the old laws of the Allies still apply and the old these were the old shape if most the factors still under occupation so it goes without saying that the Allies will use Germany as their colony to do experimentation now also there's very many victims along the five eyes surveillance network so this is the US Canada Britain Austria Australia and New Zealand there are a lot of victims and it seems to be that this these type of crimes emanate from the five eyes network I call it the five eyes crime syndicate actually you know that makes perfect sense too because the five eyes is being utilized by one nation when conducting surveillance on their own citizens when violate their nation's laws they go to another member of five eyes to conduct their surveillance on their behalf just as the UK was solicited to conduct surveillance within the United States on Donald Trump it was a very elaborate procedure where Christopher Steele who was author of this salacious dossier has now admitted under oath in the UK court that he was hired by Hillary Clinton to write the dossier to trash Trump which was used to obtain the FISA surveillance where the corruption involved here is of a magnitude that simply boggles the mind of decent law-abiding citizens to think that the leading investigative law enforcement agency and the leading institution for the administration of justice in the United States which would be the FBI and the Department of Justice respectively should be so profoundly corrupt and be abusing their positions to promote a political agenda is simply shocking so that five eyes should be the framework here frankly it's unsurprising and the extreme it makes perfect sense yeah that's further evidence from the former chief of Intel in Austria so his name was Get our Polly and he went public in an article in an interview with Sputnik news and he said that German intelligence is run by NSA and GCHQ so German intelligence is run by Anglo-American Intel that's very significant I can't believe that allied laws for Germany that were applicable in the aftermath of the war should remain enforced today that's astonishing in and of itself Elizabeth all by itself that's remarkable so this is actually for those people who are interested this is the article I'm referring to it's it says Germany is still occupied by the west this is XG for Austrian intelligence and it says that US intelligence agencies have full access to Germany and can do there whatever they want as if the European country was still occupied by Western allied powers for my head of Austrian civil intelligence service BTV said now here's a direct quote he said Germany was an occupied country and considering the activities of the intelligence services of the allied countries on German soil it still is this is get our Polly now he further down named specifically hang on where's the paragraph here so Polly names the US National Security Agency and the British government communication headquarters GCHQ that is the British NSA as the primary intelligence services operating in Germany both are currently investigated for mass surveillance according to the expert so this is it so this is what the Austrian head of Intel says and one thing he does not say which is what other investigators uncovered that yes indeed according to the laws the original laws were never actually lifted so we are still occupied in Germany and this is where I'm now and this is where I'm being tortured right now on the orders of MI6 has a bit retaliation against him for making that disclosure I don't think so I have been continuously tortured since January 2016 and at the time I wasn't even an investigator into these matters so at the time what had happened I had left Oxford I I had started I tried to launch a startup which was sabotaged then I came to Switzerland and then I was trying to launch a consultancy in Switzerland and as soon as I tried to launch that they started to physically assault me I'm starting January 2016 and in May 2016 I took the GCHQ MI6 and MI5 to court in the London High Court and so it was since then that I've experienced several assassination attempts nonstop torture physical assaults for me it's just all the same but there are some peaks at Christmas and so on with the Austrian intelligence chief would make an excellent witness on your behalf it would appear to me has there been any retaliation against him for making those revelations has he been hit himself do you know I don't know yet I that's that this is a very good idea to get in touch with him so far I haven't actually dared to reach that high but then again I am collecting expert affidavits so we do have a couple already collected and if I if I may just show to your viewers some of whom I know are very very high profile please do yes because for those people who are think I'm wondering what the hell I I and others plan to do about all this well it is a fact that every single victim I know pretty much all of them have already reported it to the police and it has turned out that the police is under orders to cover this up to put people into forced psychiatric detention where they are usually given against their will some sort of neurotoxins which totally you know mentally disables them so this was how the system has been set up so the police is of no use in fact the police is entirely in the capture by this crime syndicate so the only last place where we can go is really the courts so we have already contacted politicians I think all the politicians were already contacted in 2007 and haven't done anything for the last 10-11 years so we have given up on the politicians as well and now the courts are the last place where we can actually stop this and what I mean with this is actually a global Holocaust because the chip torture is just the kind of concentration camp bit of it what this entire program is building up towards is really a mass extermination so population reduction according to the plans of the UN. Would it be a lot simpler to use other techniques of population reduction? Wars, famines, pestilence, biological, chemical attack that you can take out very large numbers I mean it seems to me doing it person by person including this electronic surveillance is just too sophisticated for the mass the population they want to effectuate I think it's very important that they take subjects like you and determine what they can do the limits of human manipulation as it were by high technology but it seemed to me that cannot be the objective of this program meaning messy population can't be the objective of this high-tech program involving person such as yourself. Well it's kind of yes you're kind of right that there's more going on but it also is so when when we look at deep sorry to call it that when one looks at the attrition rate of victims in this program victims eventually kill themselves because it's in the way. And using suicide. Yeah so in use suicide also voluntary so aside if like one can call it that just to get out of the torture. Right right no I get it I get it I get it. But that in that case it might be their targeting what they regard as intellectual leaders persons who are creative in their thinking who are not you know conventional and thereby subject to manipulation by the mass media which of course is completely under control of the intelligence. Whether you're talking about the United States or the UK or Canada or other of for example the five eyes countries. Yeah exactly so but there are other things going on so the genocide aspect is mostly covered by the directed energy weapons. So for example all throughout every single night since January 2016 I'm being gunned by so-called pulsed energy projectiles. Now these are high energy pulses that are extremely painful they really rip into issue and they cause bruising they are extremely painful in the bones they damage bone matter as well but it's pretty impossible to block them. So I think one would need something like 12 centimeters of solid steel to block them out otherwise they can easily pass through six to eight layers of sheet metal so that the standard sheet metal that one can buy. Well let me give you an illustration of very high powered weapons of this kind in Iraq you have a whole family in an automobile in it's that we turn to ash I mean everyone their body is disintegrated there's nothing but a pile of ash after the application for millisecond of one of these devices I mean it's absolutely stunning what they can't do with these very high tech devices in terms of eradicating matter basically I mean particularly biological but also I mean the automobile itself too was turned to ash. Exactly and and one of the things that has been reported to me so I also do consulting for victims and one victim from Canada reported witnessing drones that were machine gunning with pulse energy projectiles entire neighborhoods at night so he said that in the middle of the night he went out to have a smoke and that's when he saw the drones and he said these are kind of silent devices maybe emitting a you know a silent humming sound but they were hovering about his community and clearly shooting at people as they were sleeping so that has been reported from Canada it has been reported from the UK once as well independently but I think aside from that people don't even need drones you can just do the same thing just from satellites. Yeah when you talk about shooting you don't mean actual bullets you mean perhaps these little devices that are like bird shot to implant them in the body. I know I what I mean when I say machine gunning I mean pulse energy projectiles so these are bundles of energy this is a way and it really feels like a shot that can bruise as well and they also have something called pencil beams so they're the the the bruising is the size of the tip of the pencil you know the the blunt part of the diameter that one has. Yeah fast. He also larger larger pulses so they can have any pulse shape but it really feels like being machine gun because you it's kind of like a Star Wars version of it you know. Yeah it's yes yes yes as though you're at the end of a laser and essentially you are at the end of a laser I mean it's a exactly. I'm studying stop. I know a little bit you have a number of articles or studies you want to share today so I'm inviting you to take that opportunity now. So one of the things I would I would like to start with explaining I pretty much what the plan is for 2019 because 2017 and 18 were all about finding out what the hell is going on and getting the evidence and getting it all together finding the victims finding out what's happening. So now we have a fairly good idea what is happening. We know that it's these three things it's directed energy weapons it's our chip implants and miscellaneous bio implants and the third is the application of neural technology this is when the first two are being used to modify human perception. So what I plan to do about this after having discovered that the police has completely captured and after discovering that politicians are unwilling to do anything about it is I am working on supporting court cases and I'm launching my own court case in the UK in 2019 and I should say that for me personally and also for many many victims this is really the last result and for many people it's the last result before suicide because they have been tortured so intensely and so brutally and their livelihood has been destroyed their income has been destroyed many people had to flee their homes and move repeatedly so their marriages or support groups anyone who's a friend of theirs driven away so their eyes are weighted from social interaction. Exactly so it's we are really talking at you know the very end of a very very brutal covert war so what I discovered when I went into the courts in 2016 is that two judges were genuinely shocked and had no idea that this is going on. Now the third one I strongly suspect was a plant because he throughout my court case claiming it was frivolous of exacius. Frivolous? Frivolous? Love exacius how absurd I mean that's ridiculous on his face. It is but that is also the standard sentence with which all the cases are being thrown out of the so-called investigatory palace tribunal this is the secret court set up to cover up these crimes. That's right that's right in a secret because otherwise what they want to conceal would be revealed so they have to suppress revelations about these secret programs secretly itself. Last the word get out to the public. Exactly so now what I'm trying to do is I'm appealing first of all to experts from all walks of life to write expert testimonies expert affidavits and there are many many experts who could testify about different aspects of this. So number one is the direct-to-dengue weapons people from the medical field can testify about the chip implant or certainly the effects of the chip implants and so on and so on. So what I will do in 2019 is and I would like to start today is put out these these appeals for expert affidavits and what I'm looking for I can show you right here there are couple that people have already written so this is my website here stopw7.org and if people scroll down to the research library here there is a set of experts affidavits as first of all proof a patent list market analysis about the size of the direct-to-dengue weapon market then plans how these chip implants will be put together to to make an internet of things in our body and so on and so on but further down here under high profile affidavits I have listed the few that I already have one of them is from Dr. Onikild the former chief medical officer of Finland this is actually just an article but it's so powerful and she presented it at the conference that it can be used there's an affidavit by William Binney the former typical direct-to-dengue weapons and say one are by Ted Gunderson former head of the LA FBI and so on and these affidavits are great a sum for example William Binney's has been submitted for one particular court case but because he is testifying to these facts here under oath the same thing can be used in other court cases as well because the facts that he testifying about do not change. It has an expert witness in particular. Absolutely so now what I'm trying to do is I basically appeal for people if it's experts who know something about this be at mass surveillance or gang stalking or non-concentral planting or any of these things that they please write an affidavit and it's possible to write generic affidavits this is for example what Ted Gunderson has done he's not addressing it to one particular court case he just makes an affidavit in general it's war not David now this is extremely powerful and to make something like that the only thing one needs to do is state one's name and address say that this is war under the pains and penalties of our perjury and that this facts are correct and just a number paragraphs and that's it and at the very end just sign basically certified that this is under oath and ideally sign it before a witness a personal entitled to administer oaths because then that is pretty much kryptonite for the for the court system so what I'm trying to do in 2019 is really expedite the the you know the rush towards court cases and into court and the experts I'm asking to write affidavits about this aspect and the victims I am inviting to write affidavits about what they actually have suffered now what I did in 2018 as I made an affidavit template that is specifically tailored to these crimes and these crimes are extra ordinary because they have such a large number of different types of crimes incorporated in them this could be computer hacking house breaking car sabotage assassination attempts the killing of pets and and many many other things so this these type of crimes do not fit into the normal well criminal investigations that we have today they're just too big and it's also too hard for these victims to testify in writing about these crimes because just writing up what has happened to them takes you know literally the the size of the novel you know the size of war and peace so it is very very hard so to come up with something where they can testify about every aspect of this as quickly as possible and for this purpose I've devised the type of tick box survey and if people go to my website they just would like to explain how this works because I'm hoping that people sign up to this and maybe other investigators emulated for similar crimes I've developed here for the very first link the final affidavit form takes people to this website there's a video that explains the affidavit and the affidavit itself is down here and there's extensive explanatory notes so the explanatory notes are legal document with my signature that outline how these victim affidavits are being used what they are intended for but the affidavit itself is down here and it's a 94 page tick box survey so the very first part is the name and the address filled in by the victim and every victim chooses themselves an eight digit code that is entered on the top of the affidavit and then down in the footer down here and every page has this eight digit code as the only recognizable signature of whose affidavit it is now inside the affidavit there's an anonymous part which is just a tick box survey so people can testify about stalking and street theater and many other things just indicating when did the offense start so month and year then the second column is the frequency with which this offensive suffered is it continuous hourly daily weekly monthly or has it only occurred to set number of times and then the final column is do they have evidence or they not have evidence now the entire purpose behind this affidavit template is the following first of all I mean if I just flick through at very high speed you can just see how many every every line with its specific number is a particular offense this could be credit card theft or you know fraud by companies breach of contract many many many many other things and the key is that when victims start filling out this affidavit reading it vertically within the same affidavit it's already clear as day that something extra order is happening because the normal person would never experience so many different types of crimes within their lifetime all at once sometimes within the same year so it's clear that the different type of crime is happening this is point number one point number two is the frequency with which crimes are suffered are absolutely insane for the victims of the intelligence agencies so this is one way to prove these crimes the second way to prove these crimes is to have many affidavits side by side and compare because the typical in victim of the intelligence agencies would have something like house breaking gang stalking sometimes directed energy weapon attacks non-concentral and planting and so on and it all follows one set pattern when one compares many victim affidavits and and sees what has been testified to it becomes clear that there are larger programs that play here so this is the the first the basis of the affidavit now that the entire purpose of this is so that the individual victims can download other people's affidavits and prove that what they are testifying about is also what people around the world are testifying to under oath is a very high standard now to protect victim identities what I have done is I have split the first page and the last page so these are the two pages that contain their photograph their name their dress and their signature and when victims send me this the affidavit they need to send the affidavit filled out signed under oath before witness and the witness needs to sign it and stamp it and they need to send me a copy of their photo ID with the serial number blanked out I then look at it and say okay this is really the signature of the person who sent me this I can see that there's my decar that goes with it that's a very high standard then I strip the private information and I leave the anonymous tick box survey in the middle and I upload that to my website so two people have already returned these affidavits and I can show what that looks like so here first victim affidavits submitted okay so this is now the returned affidavits and then eventually what people will find is this affidavit with just the serial number so only eye and only the person who filled out the affidavit know who this belongs to this is to protect their you know privacy and otherwise I only state their country and what in what year did the targeting start oh I just realized I hear this okay so the first page then shows that this person has you know suffered all sorts of stuff so we can see that they are the victim of intrusive surveillance, neighborhood terror, their landlord is involved, they suffered house breaking, stalking you know attacks driving, crimes, traveling abroad, computer hacking, and so on and so on torture and life destruction and many many other things and reading these affidavits in detail one can just look at what has been marked in each section so you know a person who has suffered something similar in the US can download this affidavit and then take it to the police or to court and use it to prove that this is actually going on so I'm encouraging victims to fill out these things and my goal is to combine these two things so my goal for 2019 is to automatize this process to have experts testifying in a generic form and this means not directed at a specific court case but just testifying in general under oath about the crimes or the irregularities that they have witnessed then have the affidavits from the victims I'm also teaching people how to make their own court bundles and the idea is that if a new victim comes along or if a victim would like to go to court they can just download the affidavits they can download other victim affidavits put them all into one court bundle very quickly right up their own case right up the timeline and go straight into court this is all sensational Catherine Epsilon's sensation I believe you're doing for this electronic targeting what Edwards Noden did for mass surveillance of the American people especially through the social media and what Julian Assange is doing by revealing the deep state operations that have been concealed by the use of private servers for example from the American people which is now coming to life with a whole russia hopes of course has been exposed now as having been an elaborate charade a Hillary Clinton DNC operation what you're talking about is devastating to individual human beings unlike the political consequences of those I've been describing here before and I think that places your efforts on an even higher plane in terms of their significance for the quality of life in the UK the USA and even around the world well you know I it's funny you would mention Snowden and and Assange I also think that they too are victims of these types of attacks I'm pretty sure I think it's it would it would require an extra ordinary not existence amount of restraint from the intelligence agencies not to assault Julian Assange while he's confined in the embassy yes he's in a specific location 24-7 he has no options about it he would be a perfect stationary target in essence for these kinds of operations and and obviously an individual who represents a tremendous threat to the deep state and to the national security apparatus of the UK the USA the most sod which of course works hand in glove with these other agencies in fact all US ride intelligence goes through Tel Aviv the the Israelis know what's going on in the US before the American authorities know yeah I also suspect that traditionally and this is something I always emphasize traditionally the headquarters of the cartel has been Switzerland and this is because Switzerland is the Vatican vaults it has huge underground bunker complexes pretty much the entire country is one bunker complex and traditionally this has been the home of the the Vatican crime operation this is where the loot from the second world wars brought to this is right at the center so I also suspect that in addition to Tel Aviv there has to be a HQ in Switzerland as well that's very significant very significant Catherine we have about 10 minutes that remains here for our conversation today what would you like the public to know that you haven't already addressed I think you've been very comprehensive I think creating these opportunities for individuals to submit their own testimonials by the form of sworn affidavits is sensational I think you're moving in the right direction the question becomes ultimately the integrity of the courts is there a modicum of integrity that remains in the judicial system to enable the truth to emerge and some kind of justice to be administered punishing those responsible for these rotesque abuses and compensate those who have been the victims I think so I think there is and I say that based on quantitative numbers and this is the following number one my personal experience has been that I stood pro-say before three different judges and the first two were exactly behaving like they should behave as judges I never saw anything wrong with them they were happy going forward and looking at this in fact they specifically said that cases like these need to be looked at in the courts and then the third one throughout my case and called it frivolous and ecstasy and in fact he said that there was not even a claim to strike out because I hadn't written the specific words particulars of claim on a piece of paper so I gave my papers other titles but you know this is disregarding the fact that his previous two colleagues had no problem understanding what the claim was and what I was asking for so anyway now my personal would you be able to resubmit putting the words particulars of claims and overcome that hurdle it would seem to mean that so trivial and artificial and clearly manipulative it it was the real hurdle for me so far was the proof and this is what this it's extremely hard to prove these direct and geweth and attacks even eyes of physicist struggle to measure these attacks that is the problem now one of the things I wanted to present on your show is kind of a premiere pretty much is how victims can prove chip torture so in the past maybe I can I can show that if people go to my youtube channel which is called stop w7 I am already published sizing one type of how these how these assaults can be proven so let me just share my screen because I want all your viewers to have the tools necessary should they become victim or should they want to inform themselves they know where to look for information so this is my youtube channel here and if people scroll down there's something here on the appeals and evidence there's something called Nazi implant detection this is now a set eight videos where I'm using a bug detector and I'm showing how to use a standard bug detector to measure the chips so in this video I hold this to my head and I show how the bug detector would show absolutely nothing but then light up as I'm lifting it to my head and I'm doing exactly the same thing so it takes a bit of time to actually find the chips but eventually this bug detector lights up and I have made a set of I think yeah these eight videos where I'm scanning systematically my head I'm scanning my legs and at every point eventually when this bug detector homes in this is probably the demonstration effect I okay I probably have to skip ahead so people can can literally learn how to how to prove this how to find the dead this so that there's there's a slight enough exactly so it's sliding up so this is one method now the other method to prove these chip implants is to go and visit dermatologists okay so those dermatologists especially the ones who are specialized in our cosmetic surgery after face these people very often use laser skull pills so they can recognize laser surgery scars now these chip implants are put in with laser surgery so laser skull pill would make it cut in the skin sometimes this doesn't even bleed because the blood quagulates the chip would be planted in and then the tissue is sealed using tissue blue it's very very quick now the scars that dermatologists can find when I have two dermatologists certificates are testifying each to about half a dozen of scars so this is another thing now the third one and this is now pretty much the premiere I don't think this has been shown yet on anywhere so there was a private investigator in the US who used to make do these tests but it is possible to use thermal cameras to prove these chips if these chips have been turned up very very high so that they are generating a lot of heat now what happened is that before Christmas I made contact with a doctor who promised to help me to read these scans that victims send me so MRR CT scans and X-rays and we had a meeting it was last Monday on at three o'clock and 24 hours before Sunday at exactly three o'clock the chips in my knee which I had previously measured using the duct detector were turned on and heated to a ludicrously high temperature causing agonizing pain and pretty much crippling me now what I did is I photographed this using a thermal camera that I own it's called the flower c2 and I would like to show those images please yes yes yes by all me so this is like sorry let me let me just share my screen let's start with this one here okay so this is now my knee the night before what you can see is my two legs as I'm photographing down and the right knee you can see the how hot it is so here's the temperature scale so black and purple as cold this is what you can see here on the bed around it and then red and white is very very hot wow wow so this is what I do see this is kind of a symmetric focus on the inner side of my knee so there's a bit of heat here but fixed my foot together they were touching before I took the photograph yeah yeah that's that's a little bit of that's transference from your right knee exactly so now the key the surface temperature here is a 36.4 but the camera doesn't know right stems so it's an approximate value what work with is the relative temperature so here I've got something I 36.4 and this green is over here so it's you know several degrees difference but the key is that the heat stayed for over 24 hours just 40 hours now the question is is it just being induced to inhibit you from going to meet with the physician who offered a help read they were trying to incapacitate you from physical physically incapacitate you from making that meeting absolutely that was the plan and I cannot explain how painfully is when the tissue is literally cooked from the inside so the chip temperatures itself are much about much of a 40 degrees and I think it's about 40 to improve teen started the nature and to break so you know they're causing severe tissue damage doing this were you able to make the meeting I did yes I always he must have been astonished my this envy right here yeah well you know this is this is basically it I didn't have the images ready at the time I showed him the camera so he hasn't seen this yet I showed him all the other chip implants but what was amazing is that I I managed to use this to get even more information so I I'm not sure if I switch images if you can still see it but let me just flick through the following images so what I did then I put this is an ice pack this is literally a frozen bag of beans I think on the yeah yeah yeah and I put this on my knee now if I switch the image let's see can you see the thermal image now or do you still see the photograph I'm still seeing the photograph okay okay then I have to do individual shares okay that you then switch back so this is what the towel looks like on the thermal camera okay so tell you saw you you can see its ice cold it's down to 11 degrees here from the distance actually ice cold but it's the calibration problem now what what I did is as soon as I took off this this thing from my knee okay hang on let me share my screen it's a bit awkward this one here okay so you can see as soon as I take this off parts of my knee have been cooled down however the area with the chips is immediately heating it's back how it was yes inside but now this has to do lasting enduring damage to your knee. I mean it's impossible. It does. Yes it does and ultimately what it does is it cooks tissue around the chips and needs to calcifications and calcifications is exactly what the doctors call these chip implants on the scans because they do look like calcifications. Of course that's that's arthritis. They're inducing arthritis in your artificial. Exactly exactly and I strongly suspect that a lot of old people are being tortured with this specifically you know and I am also suspecting that a lot of the diseases we think our diseases are actually these biosensives and bio implants but the smoking gun and this is why I'm saying this these thermal cameras are very expensive but for those people it's as I'm talking 400 to 500 dollars but for those people who are suffering regular pain it's really pays doing this experiment that I have done now and I'm having a look so maybe I can zoom in some more so this is what's perfectly visible you're you're good yeah well the key is that when I kept doing this experiment with the ice pack I zoomed in on my knee and I could suddenly see this thing chip so if you look here you can see 1 2 3 4 5 6 chips definitely and and this is what you can do so if you are suffering continuous pain this is why I'm saying these thermal cameras are very good have very high resolution you can just borrow them or buy one and return them after two weeks hint if you can't afford it but you can take these images and if it's chip implants you can actually make them visible is there a way we can neutralize the chips there ought to be a technology that would allow us to neutralize the chip we discover them and we neutralize them from the outside of our body without having to undertake surgical removal which of course would be the alternative yeah well this is now this is when it gets tricky I suspect that these chips are a type of solid state device which are very robust and I also suspect that these chips are originally developed for astronauts and this means that they have been built to withstand extreme electromagnetic and magnetic fields and everything you can think of so people have reported about using electromagnetic pulses but I'm not sure how successful they are and because I don't I don't know any results I can't actually advocate how remarkable that your field of research should actually coincide do the study of the phenomenon to which you're being subjected well that's kind of it goes it goes well it's not that coincidental because most of physics is involved somehow in technology you know I was just I was just lucky that I you know I I had to partially teach this stuff. Catherine you're a sensational human being a dedicated scientist a principled citizen seeking to expose modern forms of terrorism on the population of the world it's shocking in this main but I applaud you are so impressed I look forward to future interviews is there anything you'd like to add as a final remark today as we part I would like to appeal to everybody this is lawyers doctors and academics and police officers anybody in our society to have the courage in 2019 to stand up and to help us because we have come so far being tortured if we had a little bit of help we can shut these crimes down next year we can really do that this is that Jim Fetzer the host of the real deal thanking Dr. Elizabeth Hartin for being here I admire her beyond words you will be hearing more about her research and this devastating phenomenon in the future thank you all for watching