Former WWE Wrestler Implicates the Clintons in Murders of the 'Boys On The Tracks'

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Former hog half-back. Okay, maybe not. Here is Doc Washburn, News Radio 102.9 K-A-R-N. What a day. On August 23rd, 1987, at about 4 a.m. On a Sunday morning, the three-man crew on a union-Pacific train passing through Selene County, Arkansas were horrified to see the bodies of two teenage boys on the tracks in front of them with no way to stop. They blew the horn, they squealed the brakes, but the boys didn't flinch. By all accounts when the Selene County deputies showed up a few minutes later, they ignored the train employees' insistence and the insistence of the paramedics that the boys must have already been dead when they were placed on the tracks. By all accounts, the deputies also refused to consider the possibility that the boys had been murdered and treat the situation as an actual crime scene. Arkansas's long-time chief medical examiner under then Governor Bill Clinton, Dr. Fahmi Malik, ruled that the boys had smoked so much marijuana that they had passed out on the tracks. A subsequent grand jury convened in Selene County rejected that conclusion and declared that the boys had indeed been murdered before their bodies had been placed on the tracks. An other people involved in the boys in the tracks case were either murdered within the next two years or were eventually imprisoned on unrelated charges years later. According to the book, the boys on the tracks were by Mara Leveret of Little Rock, several state and federal investigations into the events surrounding the deaths of Kevin I. The lives of Don Henry, two teenage boys, apparently, who stumbled onto something they were not supposed to see in the wee hours of Sunday morning, August 23, 1987, several state and federal investigations in the next few years were obviously shut down from one high. This brings us to our guest, three Little Rock television stations, a reporting on a man who has come forward 30 years later, who claims to have been at those tracks in Alexander Arkansas and the wee hours of Sunday morning, August 23, 1987, claims to have witnessed the murders of the two teenage boys, Kevin I.s and Don Henry. Last night, KATV's Jason Peterson interviewed Linda I.s mother of Kevin I.s, one of the two murdered boys, and she believes this new witness. I mean, there was no good reason to insert yourself into a murder case and you know, implicate yourself in a double homicide. He has nothing to gain in everything to lose. KTV's Jason Peterson also spoke with Keith Ronsavall, private investigator working for the I.s family. He put himself in jeopardy not only as freedom, but also his life. So that's why I believe him. Now we go to the news radio, 102.9 K.a.r.n. Newsmaker line to welcome former professional wrestler, Billy Jack Haynes, to the Doc Washburn show. Mr. Haynes, thank you for coming on the program today. How are you? I'm doing fine, Doc. How are you doing good? Now let me ask you KTV had video footage of you wrestling another well known wrestler at the time, King Kong Bundy at a WWE match in Detroit. Two days before the murders of Kevin Ives and Don Henry and Alexander Arkansas, how and why does a well known professional wrestler wind up in rural Arkansas in the middle of the night to witness such a thing just a couple of days after a big high profile wrestling match halfway across the country. That's a great question. I was born and raised really for crime. At the age of four I was abused sexually and physically by one of my mother's who was married to my father's, boyfriends. But I kept that a secret like I have kept my life secret for 59 years. And the question you asked is, is a good one. I was wrestling King Kong Bundy in Detroit, Joe Louis, Serena. And what happened is I received an envelope to call home more or less a emergency to me because that's where my blind father who raised me was. So I opened it up the envelope doc and had a 501 number and I knew the number was because I had talked to the person before and I was a Bill Clinton governor Bill Clinton of Arkansas. So obviously the envelope said call home but the number wasn't for home. The number was an Arkansas number. So now how would you have known Governor Clinton? I met Governor Clinton. Well we haven't got much time and it's been 30 some years ago so your memory isn't going to be right on but it's going to be good enough. In 1982, I started actually in 1977 I started dealing in Oregon, cocaine and I rose up through the ranks there to what I wanted to make the big time through a gang of willing Elsa. Now that's Willie Nelson, not the singer Willie Nelson. I should say that he was a professional boxer named Willie Nelson or Harold Pendlin. And he's one of five people who could have been my father. I'm really not sure. I took to this day who really is DNA. I hope down the road can prove that. But what it happened is when Bill Clinton had called me, he said some of the drops in your drops in Alexander Arkansas were being stolen half a million dollars and 10, 15, 20 kilos. Okay, but we're still trying to figure out how you would have known Bill Clinton. You said something about you started dealing cocaine and Oregon in 1977. Where does Bill Clinton come in that in 1987 you would get an envelope with with his phone number in it? Okay, let's go back and then just continue on forward because I've been hitting heads so many times. I've got CTE and a few other, you know, brain traumatizing brain injuries. Yes, my head is clear enough to know about this. I had to live with the other Yilper 30 some years. I can't imagine when Linda Ives has went through living hell and her husband Larry. So this was August 21st, 1987 in 82. I had. William Nelson or her husband who was a drug dealer for cocaine out of Portland, Oregon said he wanted to introduce me to a man named Barry seal. In bad news Louisiana. That's where he was flying down once a month and picking it up. Now Barry seal of course was the the subject of the Tom Cruise movie that came out last year American made and it's pretty well known that he was apparently an American pilot who became a drug runner for the CIA in the 80s in a clandestine operation in the Iran contra affair just for people. Most people listen to our voices know who Barry seal is but just for the people who wouldn't. So anyway, the the cocaine dealer in Oregon, you're saying wanted you to meet Barry seal in 1982 and baton Rouge. Go right ahead. Yeah, I wanted to, you know, become big time, you know, back when I was in my late 20s. And so I had met Barry seal through Harold Pendlin. William Nelson and we finally agreed and I was trustworthy enough to where I did it. I didn't believe I did three runs right flew down picked up 10 kilos from Barry seal. And then we're taking drive of back through real car and I take that chance to risk three or four times. They became more they trusted me. Good enough. And the next time I flew down, they wanted me to come down on my own meet Barry seal and very few had a politician that he wanted me to meet. And who was the politician? The politician world when I when I flew in and that very set down to the table and a man walked in with the look like two bodyguards who walked ahead and set up about the same. He had set up about 20 feet ahead of us and the man was Bill Clinton. I didn't know who he was. But that was a governor or just out of governor or whatever Arkansas. Okay. So update to 1987 as KTV mentioned last night you you get this note when you are getting ready to go into a wrestling match with King Kong body and in Detroit and take us from there. Well, there's a lot in between your back and it's been a long time. But we have been Mr. Clinton and I had done business in Florida who I wrestled professionally and and then also in 1986 he had called me in to meet everybody at the Rose law firm, which I met. I mean so many people is a word that share Kim's team Kirk Lane, Jay Campbell, Dan Harmon, Richard Garrett, a bar owner. I can't think of his name. I think it's Keith McCaskill I think it was and then and some others. And it was kind of a neat situation at that time for me. I didn't really know anybody until then. And then in 1987 that's when I got the let's take us up to the end of the world that I got while I was in Detroit wrestling King Kong, and I was in the same company. Yeah, because I hadn't heard from anybody from Arkansas until that day. Okay. So so you get the you get this envelope says call home and and obviously the number in the envelope is not home. You're you're telling us it's a 501 number and then what happens? I call the number and Bill Clinton was on the other end, but before you want to make sure who I was, he quizzed me on a few things and where we had personally met and I said in bad news Louisiana. I did very seal and goes where do we do business at and I told him in West Palm Beach in 1984 Florida and said okay, there's great and I believe how you doing and that's how I went. I said, hey, how are you? And you know, how you want to do this back and forth lead so forth? You know, I we don't know each other well. I didn't need to one time when I was in Arkansas a couple of months ago, but it's just haven't done a radio interview for quite a while. So how do you want to take this down? Well, I'm just trying trying to ask you how you get from Detroit, Michigan to to Alexander, Arkansas. Okay. Bill Clinton asked me if I wanted to do business the same as we did in Florida. In other words, for the same amount. And I said, yes, he said, well, I'll have a ticket for you for tomorrow and out of Detroit, two little rock. And that would be August 22nd, 1987. And then he said, do you remember the sheriff, which I met there at Rose Law from that was Sheriff Jim Steve. I said, yes, I do remember him and he said, well, he'll he'll pick you up and he'll take you to the governor's mansion where I would didn't meet him and his wife Hillary. So that's how that occurred. So, and okay, so then what happens? So from there on the way in, you know, he had told me over the phone, I forgot to tell you to bring a baseball camp and if I had a wrestling mask and I said, yes, I did. I had a black wrestling mask. He said, bring it in because you want to come in and call needle because at that time, people knew who I was from wrestling. And I said, you got it. So when we got to the mansion, the governor's mansion there in low rock, Steve Sheriff Steve got out and we opened up the gate, the front gate. And we drove around the circle to the front and I went inside and met Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and Jim Steve remained outside. The only people that I saw was Bill and Hillary. And, um, uh, Mr. Cans with both. And they told me about the drops that were being stole out of Alexander and that they wanted me there. And, um, Mr. Cousin was two Arkansas state police officers that were stealing the drops. I believe he said, two drops were stole with half a million to a million cash and 10, 15, 20 kilos. And the key was which is over a million dollars. So my job was to only was to tape. He was got me a VHS tape recorder and two tapes. I put one tape in my suit. I had a suit on and the end jacket and I put it in there and I took the VHS camera with me. He said, I want you to stay inside with Jim Steve. I want you to film the drop and see who's stealing or these drops. So no problem. He said, don't be the other guys will show up. The regular crew. I said, dude, do I know who they are? He said, you met them at the Rose Law firm. So at that time, uh, he said, well, after everything is done, we'll come back to the, um, we'll put the guys in the van. If we do catch them, we'll put them in the van, drive them back, cuff them up. And we might job at that time to be both of them to death at a said location away from the governor's mansion. Good grief. Wow. All right. Let me, let me ask them before we go further as to what you're saying happened there along the tracks in, uh, in Alexander Arkansas. Um, a lot of people are asking this been over 30 years ago. And as KTV's Jason Peterson said last night, there was a book written. There have been videos. There have been articles written, um, but your name has never been mentioned. And a lot of people are wondering why 30 years later, um, you have decided to come forward with this. Yeah, it's a question I probably should have, um, but dressed earlier. I wanted to get out of professional resting. I had around the drugs and so forth. I was a cocaine and wrestling was paid real good between 200, 400,000 a year. Um, I wanted to get out, open a gym. Whole clothing was going to be there. And I was going to get clean because I was on painkillers. Um, okay. And I had in several torn, you know, a torn ACL and rib injuries, back injuries. It's a tough business. We're stuntmen, take tremendous risk every day. Right. And so I wanted to retire and then get clean. Right. I, I don't know why I took this job. I didn't need the money. I guess I just, it was ego. Uh, I had a ship on my shoulder. I wasn't myself. Uh, I was drugged down. Uh, I can't make any excuses. Yeah. But now that I'm clean, the reason why this happened, I tried to commit suicide in 2012. It took 40s annex and seems like a minute afterwards. There was a paper newspaper and it flew into my into my leg. And I looked at it and was a guy from Oregon and keeping coffee, Corporal, keeping coffee, who had died on the day of my mother died. I started looking at every date and that stuff with me. So I self induced vomit. And, uh, for four days, it was touching go. Uh, friend took me in and how I survived that. Then 2014, uh, 2012 and been gossy of all places in been gossy. The four men that were killed. The one Tyrone Woods worked at night. Um, working. It's a very, it's a miracle kind of like. Wait a minute Tyrone Woods, one of the four guys killed at Bengazi actually worked at your gym in Oregon. Yes, he went to Oregon City High School. He was a wrestler and, uh, and he wanted to, uh, one time when it become a pro wrestler, then he wanted to be in a Navy steel. He's a being in Navy steel and was in Bengazi. He was called there with another guy and he died on the roof. And so when he died, I said to myself, this is, I mean, I'm going to get clean. I'm in. I've fought it back and forth for a couple of years till 2014. And I said they hold it. Man, I took a loss throughout against the WWE for CTE and concussions. And I got clean at that time. And that's when, um, 2016 came along and I got the guilty feeling with Linda Ives. Okay. Because I knew exactly what happened and I called her up. Okay. So, so if I understand correctly, you're saying that your decision to come forward with this, um, almost 30 years later was you had some pangs of conscience after you had gotten out of the game. Uh, gotten off drugs and tried to clean your life up and, and, and you reached out to Linda Ives and mother of one of the murdered boys, Kevin Ives. Yes, I did. Okay. Now all it's left is to tell you what went down. Yeah, take us back. Yeah. You, we, I interrupted for that because this is a question a lot of people have been asking on social media why now, why after 30 years? And you, uh, I kind of interrupted what you were talking about, uh, going on. So let's, let's, let's go right back to, to what you were telling us. Yeah. Now this would be to the best of my ability. Um, you know, I just, uh, I, I, you know, the guilt, the guilt that a man has, uh, my entire life has been an explosion of violence. That's a horrible thing that I'm insane or crazy, but not my, my father who raised me was blind, and with diabetes I was really sure I took the Amputation. So I was very defensive my entire life. So I did become violent. I did do some crazy things. and I would have fulfilled exactly what Mr. Clinton wanted done that night, but that's not how it came about. At first, at the drop site, I rode with Jim Steed, Sheriff Steed, and we drove him back in behind the trees. It was an open area where the drop was. Second end was a van. It was about 75 feet to the left of us. I think there was flash light communication because it was very dark. Third car pulled into the right and in that car, at the time I didn't know, but in that car was police officers, Kirk Lane and Jay Campbell. And then in the car that pulled in later, there was, oh, Jay, I mean, Dan Harmon. And at that time, later from the Richard Gerrard and Keith McCaskill were also in that car. So I had the tape with me and I took it out and waited around midnight 12, 30. So you playing chain in? I'm sorry to interrupt. Can I just ask you, you said I had the tape with me? What does that mean? Okay. Remember I told you earlier that I was giving it a VHS tape? No, sir. I don't know. Tell me all about it. Okay. I think we were kind of going back and forth. Mr. Clinton gave me a VHS tape recorder tape to go that goes over the shoulder and I was to tape the drop site to see who, if anybody was going to drive in and steal the drop, the drop site, the parachute to come out with the cocaine and the money. Oh. Okay. That's what I'm talking about. And so I did tape that. We've seen the plane chain in around between 12 and 1 a.m. and I did tape that and nothing happened. The van went out and they picked up the drop site. They slowly backed out. I bleached it. They're lights a couple times and they drove away and I didn't see it. There was no two. Arcasascaid troopers have stole anything. So obviously it was a probably an inside job. These guys were stealing themselves and blaming it on two other people. So. Okay. Now I got to jump in here because we're getting ready to go to the bar. They hour news. And if you can hang on with us, we'll bring you on after that. But why you need me? Okay. All right. We're speaking with Billy Jack Haynes, former professional wrestler with WWE for quite some time and we will return with him after the bottom of the hour news. He was the subject of Jason Peterson KTV's reports the last couple of nights and we're kind of following up on that, I guess. More coming up straight ahead as the Doc Washington show continues. On your news traffic or weather station, news radio 102.9 KARN. Taking calls. Call Doc now. 501-433-0092. Now the man with the elephant on his pants matches the elephant on his shirt. Doc Washburn news radio 102.9 KARN. All right. Billy Jack Haynes. Well, as a professional wrestler for a number of years and was very well known, you can go on YouTube and see him fighting King Kong Bundy or Randy Savage or doing an appearance with Hulk Hogan. Very well known. Wrestling back in the day and 30 years later, 30 years after the boys and the tracks murders, he has seemed to have inserted himself into, I guess the biggest murder mystery in the history of modern Arkansas, even though his name never came up. A number of names have come up in a mayor, leverage boys in the tracks book and in different articles and movies, videos over the years, but his name never came up. And Jason Peterson did a great job on KTV Wednesday night and last night and now we're kind of following up on that. And Mr. Haynes is on the news radio 102.9 KARN newsmaker line. We had to break for news at the bottom of the hour, but we had asked him how he got from a WWE wrestling match with King Kong Bundy and Detroit all the way to really rural at the time, very rural, Celine County, Arkansas. And so let's pick up your story where you left off, sir. And we appreciate your patience. Thank you, dog. Okay, my entire life has been a secret. I have kept everything a secret. Old to my wives. Neither one knew what I did. The money I saved from selling cocaine went to Silver Dollars. I'd never put money in the bank. And I had two or five gallon drums full of Silver Dollars and another half full of Carson City Silver Dollars. So I had about $6 million in Silver Dollars. It's just, it's nothing to brag about. It's just that my whole life was a secret. That's probably why you haven't heard of me. And when you come clean off drugs and people who are drug addicts, OP is right now the biggest problem in the United States. And OP is told when you come off them, the first thing I used to think of is work and I'd give them. I was taken 30, 40 a day to try and forget this entire mess and move my dad by it all. It was horrific. And finally, after I quit and I've seen Tyrone's, would die and all this, it just got too many consciously. And I accepted the Lord at that time and took God into my heart. And it's what made me feel that I need to come forward to lend eyes. I need to tell her exactly what happened to her son. I was here right on site and I'm the only one living. I think that knows what's going on on site. That's not dead. And I was told if I come forward today that I'm going to be killed. But it takes so everybody's eyes, you need to live. You got to die sometime. But I'm not going to take this to the grave with the man. These guys are, they can go to hell. I'm done with it. You're going to get nothing but truth out of me. And that's where we're at, your dog. Okay. Now, before we broke for news of the body of the hour, you had gotten to the scene of the tracks. But I guess your story had not gotten to the part where the two teenage boys showed up yet. No, sir. Here's what happened there. After the drop, I got to try and stay focused now. I've got a just horrific hit right now and I get him pretty much daily. Just CTE, it's brutal football wrestling and hockey and so forth. So I'm not looking for the pity. I just want to let you know that I got to go slow. What had happened is after the drop and it was a clean drop and after the pickup and that's the lift, Kirk Lane and Jake Campbell got out of their car in Cherstice and I got out his car. Kirk Lane and I shook hands with Jake Campbell and they didn't know who I was because I was under the mask and we were the only met at the Rose Law firm. So they didn't really know what was going on with the camera and so forth. When they asked who I was, Jim's geese, I'm with Bill Clinton and that's really all you need to know. And with Mr. Schoencher's Steve said that more or less controlled both of them. At that time we talked for a while and eventually they went back to their car and Dan Harmon got out of the car. I didn't know who was Dan Harmon's time until he approached and Dan Harmon seemed very angry upset. And what do you take and who are you and in Cherstice said this is Bill Clinton's guy for security. We don't need no security here. That kind of mouthy and kind of arrogant and he was extremely high on cocaine. I've never done cocaine but I sold it and I seen a lot of guys high on it. I'm the first guy to sold the Andy Gibb to my knowledge cocaine. I feel bad about that because he got highly addicted on it and ended up dying over it. Oh my. And I'm not proud of that but it's just part of the business. So Dan Harmon had one of those old white cell phones with him and he tried to dial Bill Clinton and he couldn't get through because of the trees and so forth. He said, come, come with me man. And basically he wanted to take charge and so we wanted to go up to the railroad tracks. There were railroad tracks and we had the flashlights on and we all basically took off to the tracks following each other. And he got to the top of the tracks and by right make the call when he said, hey, there's guys on the tracks and what it was was there was a two men who now were the teenage boys and there was a third on a motorcycle and a bunch of them went off and they took off. We yelled down Dan Harmon, yelled down to share a speed to get the in-effors. And at that time is when Kirk Lane and Jake Campbell got in their vehicle and tore out after them. They ran to their vehicle and tore out after them. They didn't come back for about 20 minutes. Okay. Hold that thought. We are speaking with a former professional wrestler, Billy Jack Haynes, who was not in any of the books, articles or videos about the boys and the tracks situation, August 23, 1987, Selene County in which a union-Pacific train passing through Selene County, Arkansas, ran over the bodies of two teenage boys, Grand Jury, decided that the boys had been murdered before they put on the tracks. And our story with Billy Jack Haynes, who was the subject of KTV, Jason Peterson's coverage last night and the night before, will continue on the Doc Washburn show on your news, traffic and weather station. News Radio 102.9 KARN. Please call Doc 501-433-0092. Here is Doc Washburn. News Radio 102.9 KARN. Billy Jack Haynes was a very well-known professional wrestler, the WWE Vincent Vance organization. He had a match, August 21, 1987, in Detroit with King Kong Bundy. And we are hearing on the news radio 102.9 KARN Newsmaker line, his account of what happened with the boys and the tracks murders. And he's also decided to give us his assertion of who was there. When we had to run to a break, Billy, you had gotten to the point of telling us what all was going on with the boys when they showed up. So take it from there. Oh, thank you, Doc. I was see at that point, the Kirk Lane and Jay Campbell, it took off after the guys that let the track one in a motorcycle and two that were running. And at that time caught him at a convenience store. I didn't actually see what went down there. So I didn't witness that. So you're talking about three people though, right? Yes. Okay, so any idea who was on a motorcycle? Well, I had no idea. Okay, all right. Now we have found out that it was a kid named Keith Coney who was later murdered. I think that year. Oh my. Okay, all right. I'm sorry to interrupt. Go right ahead. No problem. I never went from you. You're actually helping me a lot. Doc, I want to let you there. I was going to tell you there was a great owner meeting there. We didn't need any church kind of by accident. I really enjoyed that in Arkansas. But so let me continue right over here. Okay. So about 20 minutes later they came back and it was kind of toward because it was really hot. That might kind of human. And over the shoulder of both Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane, they had the boys Kirk Lane. Had one boy and Jay Campbell had the other. And Kevin Ives is when the Kirk Lane had over the shoulder and they were both handcuffed behind their back. And with the flashlights we're on them. And they were both bleeding profusely. And you can see from the flashlights that they both had that look like they were beaten with the flashlights. It was obvious to me that my stance at the right at the lower tracks with the flashlights on the one boy was already dead. I can't think of his name. Not Kevin Ives, but Don Henry. Don Henry was dead. And they just threw him burped down over like a stack of potatoes and still bleeding but bleeding profusely. And actually vomiting blood was Kevin Ives. Oh my. And at that point Dan Harmon had the help of the phone to me and said Clinton won the talk to me. Oh my. Come to Clinton. I went up there, grabbed the phone and told Bill Clinton I said, man, it's not too Arkansas State troopers that took any drop. There was no drop taking it all. But now there's these two kids and it looks like you're dead. You go, we can't leave no witnesses, Bill. You know, we've got to get rid of them. Can't leave no witnesses. And I heard Hillary in the background say the same thing. You cannot leave any witnesses. Oh my. And I guess I said a lot enough toward that time I looked down and at full force the butt of the rifle which I guess was the kid's rifle. Kevin Ives rifle took the butt and smashed it in the back of the head and killed him instantly. Oh my. And that was it and that was curcaling it, doesn't that, to him. So now they're dead. Get Campbell for some reason. He's out of knife and plows in the back of the other kid. He's in the back left the knife in was I just want to make sure he's dead. Oh my. So everybody's standing around and now all of a sudden he's out of two guys come up with his Richard Gerk who I had met and the guy who won the Kings McCaskill. The guy that won the nightclub that was selling the dope bear cooking. So it was just an absolute mess that the bullcat got all over him. I told Bill Clinton at that time that I guess they're dead. Well I don't know what I said at that time but now the kid were dead. So I'm up on the tracks. Next thing to know is that by the hair and by the seat of the crotch of their pants they were both thrown up onto the tracks. They weren't very big kids at all and Kirk Lane and Jay Campbell threw them onto tracks. And it was Bill Clinton himself was the one who told me to place them between the tracks and lay them together. Oh my goodness. So if that's what I mean I don't want to do that if I don't do that at that time I'm going to get shot and kill. That's what I'm thinking in my mind. I didn't come there to kill no kids. So I want everybody to know that right now. But this went down. I would have killed, we filled my contract with Mr. Clinton with the two state troopers. That's what I came down there to do and I would have done that. I'm not afraid to admit that there didn't come down there for two young kids to get killed back. And so that's what ended up happening. So they were left Kirk Lane and Jay Campbell left first. I guess you could clean up or whatever. And tonight I look up. I think I talked to Bill Clinton twice. I think he pulled back again. Kind of confused right now. But at that time they had the camera of the DHS recorder outtaping me and said now we've got you on tape. And they laughed about it. And that was a chair of Kim Steed and McCaskill were laughing. Well, Richard Garrett, Dan Harmon and I were on the tracks. And here's the boys. We put them between the tracks. And then I did talk to Clinton the second time. And he said to put them between the tracks to see what would look like an accident. And that's what happened. Put them between the tracks. And I didn't know what I was supposed to do if I'm guilty of anything at that time. I'm just going to be guilty of. And you know what? We've got a couple more questions. I've got a couple more questions I would like to ask of you and we have to go into the top of the hour news. We hadn't certainly hadn't planned on talking to you this long. Can you stick around for one more segment possibly? I can do as long as you want. Look, it's been 30 years, 31 years that these people went through hell for the ice family. All right. All right. Thank you very much. The Billy Jack Haynes. Goodness what a story. Goodness gracious what a story. Billy Jack Haynes, former professional wrestler. And who was the subject of Jason Peterson's KTV, report Wednesday night and Thursday night. And now out of the blue naming names on the Doc Washburn show, a couple more questions coming up straight ahead. It's three o'clock. With Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin were slices of rye bread, Doc Washburn would be the liver worst. Here's Doc on News Radio 102.9 K-A-R-N. Never had a day like this in my 40 year radio career. On the News Radio 102.9 K-R-N, News Make-A-Line is Billy Jack Haynes. He has made some startling allegations about the boys in the tracks murders, August 23, 1987 in Selene County, Arkansas. Mr. Hange, we appreciate your patience. I guess at this point the question that any interviewer would ask is, well, first of all, do you have any way of proving your allegations? Well, let me finish this talk. Let me pose this thing out as only a couple minutes more. Okay. We were at the point where Kirk Lane and Jake Campbell had already left after basically murdering, killing the two boys and went back to get cleaned up wherever they were headed. They left approximately probably three, three, three, something like that, three. And there was a Richard Garrett that was on the tracks that helped myself and Dan Harmon put the boys between the tracks. And that was basically it. And then Steve and McCaskill were down below with the VHS recorder taping me. So after all, we were suddenly done talking to Clinton. It was basically Clinton's idea to put him between the tracks and then to finish off the one kid that was still alive, which probably didn't die anyway. And that's what happened. They all left. Now, the important thing to remember here is I really do have nothing to gain out of this except to be killed like everybody else has been killed. If they want to do that, well, you'll know what to look. But like I said, they can all go to the devil because I found the Lord. To me, that's a much stronger case for me. Linda Ives and Larry Ives. I need to come clean with that. The Tyrone Wood to die in 2012 in Den Ghazi. I never said politically that I was at one time. I was a left wing radical with Saul Linsky, Bill Erich, Bernadine Dorne, the weather underground. I was there at one time. So I'm not into politics anymore. I really am not. It means nothing to me. But okay. I hear all that. But the question is, you know, at this point, and any interviewer is going to ask it, whether it's me or Larry King or Tom Snyder, any interviewer is going to ask you, do you have any way of proving this? Well, here's what happened at the very end. Now, they thought there was only one tape, Jim Steve did. So I still had the VHS recorder. And Steve, Sheriff Steve, weren't the leaves. And I said to know that Mr. Clinton, I said, Governor Clinton, want to meet you to get a picture, which I don't believe he said to do this. He wanted me to get to tape highlights of them being run over by the track. So he went back to his car and figuring that I didn't have anything. It was just a joke, I guess. But I taped it. I taped eight seconds of it. Of the boys being run over. Okay. Wait. So you've got the videotape? Well, that's something that my private investigator and I haven't decided to say where, why, or anything. Okay. I stepped to him. All right. To the private investigator. Okay. And, but that would be a big piece of the puzzle if that was the truth. The whole thing is, you want to look for the killer you don't have to look for. It's inside Chilin County right there. That's where you got to look. And there's points of yours elsewhere. It's, you guys just told you where it went and only a fool would say that if it didn't happen. In other words, if I understand you correctly, when I asked the question, you know, can you, can you prove what happened? If I understand what you're saying correctly is, and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. So, so forgive me. But if I understand correctly what you're saying is, would I be coming out saying all this, risking my life, et cetera, et cetera, for no gain whatsoever if this didn't happen? Is that kind of the case you're making? No, doctor, isn't the case I'm making is after, you know, 27 years of drug addiction, anybody who's been a drug addict, when you become clean, you become pure. And then when you get God in the purity that's mixed in with it, that you've got any kind of harder conquests at all, you come forward with any guilt that you have. So much I haven't talked in between, you know, the elite, the enforcer, executioner, all that stuff. I haven't even began to touch with you. There's all kinds of in-between stuff. Okay. Well, I guess, okay. Let me ask you this because social media is going to be going nuts on this. I'm sure we'll be getting calls and they're going to be people who believe every word that you say and they're also going to be people who are very questionable. So I guess to wrap up the interview for those who do not believe you, what is your best case for answering the question of why they should? Well, I can't speak for anybody. Everybody has to speak for themselves. I think it's just common sense. Let's go back to the very beginning with the medical examiner, relying about everything. Bill Clinton blocking everything. Dan Harmon going over to, I was told, Linda I said that Dan Harmon went over and tried to console her and be her attorney or whatever. You know, all he was doing was covering up time. They all lied about everything. I read everything after 27 years. I got on the internet. I've read the entire everything that's on there and it's all full of lies and scams. That's why I came forward to tell the truth that I was on the tracks and I did participate in putting the boys on the tracks and not that I wanted to but I probably have been shot if I didn't. That's it. Okay. They believe what they want to believe. I mean, the only fool would come forward and say what I'm saying now is they're going to come out after me trying to try and kill me. I don't care. You know, it's in God's hands. That's where I look at it. I love the Lord. I've found I love instead of hate like I've been my whole life. Not hate but just why why always you know my dad and mother abuse and stuff like that. Everybody's went through things like this. But this year with Tyrone Woods getting clean and then coming to help Linda and Larry Ives is been a beautiful thing for me. And then a great man, if I get this in real quick, is Keith Runs of Wall, a private investigator that flew out here to Portland to get me. We came back together to Little Rock and then put this thing together with the Ives family and I feel like I'm totally pure inside. I can live again. And they, she told good. And the secret's over now. This is the truth. This is what happened. Believe it or not. All right. Billy Jack Haynes, former professional wrestler, a remarkable interview and we appreciate you coming on the Doc Washburn show today. Doc, thank you. Thank you, Little Rock. Thank you very much. Wow. I've never had an interview like that in my life. And I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. Perhaps you have some thoughts. 5014330092. But Doc Washburn show continues on your news traffic and weather station. News radio 102.9 KARN. This is Doc Washburn, News Radio 102.9 KARN. All right. Our next caller is Linda Ives, mother of Kevin Ives, one of the murdered boys in the tracks August 23rd, 1987. Linda, that had to be very difficult to interview, to listen to. What do you think? Well, of course I've been listening to it and processing it and examining it for over a year. And I mean, I didn't just meet Miller yesterday. It's been probably a little over a year or very close to that. And so I've had a lot of time to think about it, to try to see how it relates to the other witnesses' statements and that kind of thing. So you know, you just, you do what you've got to do, that's all you can do. You know, just trying to be how it fits in with things that I know for a fact. And I can tell you that things that BilliJack says didn't seemlessly with other witnesses at Cal. You are totally unnoticed. You know, other than things that happened that night, and even people, you know, that had nothing to do with the scene there that night. And you know things that you thought everybody would know. And so it's, you know, there's still some pieces for me that have been missing for years. You know, we've always had a lot of the pieces. Anybody who knows me knows I've talked about Kirk Lane, Jay Campbell, Dan Harmon, a lot of other people over the years. And it doesn't distract from anything they say and anything we know about them. So you find Billi to be a credible witness? I absolutely do. I believe everything that Billi says, and one of the main reasons that I do is that like he said, he has absolutely nothing to gain from this and everything to lose. And he actually didn't even contact me directly in the beginning, but he had seen an article about the lawsuit that was in the paper out there. The Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. Yeah, sorry, the F.O.I. law that we thought I was. And so he contacted the judge in that case, which of course couldn't even discuss it with him. Right. Right. But then what's putting contact with us? And so we've been talking to him, never since. And, you know, looking for things that we didn't think were true or didn't, didn't ring true. And I just have to say that I believe everything he says. You know, I've always known that Clinton was involved, at least to the extent that he knew what was going on in MENA, and he allowed it to go on. And he made money from going on. I think that the MENA drugs mugging and weapons smuggling operations was their first pay-to-play scheme here in Arkansas. And, you know, he was certain. I knew he was making money from it. And I've never indicated that I thought he'd heal me down on the tarmac and what it does. But I really was shocked that they gave the order to kill. And I believe they did. I, you know, do I have any proof of that? I have Billy's statement to that effect. And that's all. We're still working to try to corroborate some of the things that we know now. And we want to prove or disprove things that are said. So, you know, it's been a roller coaster ride, as all I can say. You know, I think it's kind of confusing, especially for people who are on the Justice page, which is the Facebook page, or given in the on of justice for giving us and on the community. And, you know, for a long time, we talked about Dan Harmon, Dan Harmon, Dan Harmon, and Charlene Wilson and her confession and that. And then the next thing, you know, we're on to, you know, I don't know who else was next, maybe Chris Gleng and Jay Campbell. And, you know, they're trying to figure out how they fit together. And, you know, various different scenarios and things that have gone on for the last 30 years. And, you know, but Billy's statement mentions them together seamlessly. And so, I don't know what else to say, I don't know what he says. I don't know reason not to at this point, for sure. All right. And I'm sure you've talked to him a lot longer than we have. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. Linda Hives, thank you so much. And as always, our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family and the family of Don Henry. And we appreciate you coming on the program. Thank you so much. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I'm sure you've got a lot of fun. I've never had a day like this in my entire 40 year radio career. I've never had a day like this in my entire 40 year radio career. I've never had a day like this in my entire 40 year radio career. Former professional wrestler, Billy Jack Haynes, Former professional wrestler, Billy Jack Haynes, Former professional wrestler, Billy Jack Haynes, was the subject of reports on Fox 16 and K-RK-4 on Tuesday night, on K-TV Wednesday night and last night with Jason Peterson. on K-TV Wednesday night and last night with Jason Peterson. Jason Peterson. Jason Peterson. And he is claiming to have witnessed the murders of the boys in the tracks, Kevin Ives and Don Henry, August 23rd, 1987, and Celine County. What has never been heard before anywhere is he named names of people that he claims were there. What a day this has been. 501433 is 0, 0, 0, 9, 2. Of course, lines are jammed every time I change callers. One will open up for you to try to get through. Let's go to the news radio, one, two point nine, Karen Newsmaker line for Linda Ives attorney. Robert Davis pardon me, Robert David Lewis. Our David Lewis, I first met when I'd only been here for a few months in 2014. And he had come on the program to talk about a different legal case that was in the news. And he mentioned before we went on the air, he was doing a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit on behalf of Linda Ives. And we wound up talking about that. And 2014 was the first time I ever talked about boys on the tracks on the radio. And it's come up from time to time whenever there's a new development in the news. Sir, were you listening into the interview with Billy Jack Haynes? Yes, I was, that was a great doc. What do you think? Well, you know, I've got an office full of transcripts and books and depositions over here. And he didn't say anything inconsistent with anything that I've got in my office. Except with the possible exception, you know, Charlene Wilson, I gave a long written statement to about what was there and who was there. She named the same people. And I think it's kind of odd that she would not mention Billy Jack Haynes if he were there because, you know, he's a six foot board and 280 pounds. And he was a monster of a guy back in those days. And it's kind of funny that she would not mention him, but everything he said is consistent with all of the evidence. And so he was there, or he's done a lot of studying and has a great memory. Well, I mean, he mentioned things and put things together that never made sense before. Like the story about the police officers beating up the kids at the store, you know. And I never could figure out how that fit into this. Which was about a mile away. Yeah. And that makes sense. Now, make that all fits together. I never understood that part of it either. I never understood that part of it either. One of the things that Jason Peterson and KTV pointed out is that with the big book, Boys and the Tracks by Marilever that came out the late 90s with all the articles, all the videos that have been done. Yeah. They're usually are the same names that come up over and over again, but Billy Jack Haynes was not one of them. I know. I know. And there's all other people that write books about this. Terry Reed writes about Billy Jack is not in any of this. Yeah. And that bothers me, but his story is consistent with the facts. We know of course he could learn all this. He could read the same book with Reed. But the question is, the question is what would his incentive be? What would his motive be for putting himself in the middle as a witness to a murder case if he didn't have something to do with it? That's the thing that Jason Peterson and KTV and Tyler Thomas and over KRK and people like you and me are all scratching our heads. Yeah. Let me tell you what I think. I don't know, of course, at all, but there are a couple of things that fit into this. You know that he is the lead plaintiff in the Wrestling Federation lawsuit about that they've had, they got brain damage because of wrestling all of this. Yeah, he mentioned CTE, which stands for chronic traumatic encephalopathy. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. And I'm thinking, is it possible that he has hallucinated himself into this story? You know, I don't know. The CTE have anything to do with hallucinations. I don't know. But I mean, except for the fact that nobody else is talking about him being there, it's very consistent with all the evidence. Yeah. Yeah. Linda Ives says she believes him. The private investigator helping out Linda Ives, Keith Ronsovall says he believes him. Yeah. But my job is just to try to be a conduit for basically exposing things that are in the news. Exactly. And when we saw that this man was on three different television stations in three days, it kind of got our attention. And I'm not saying I disbelieved him. I'm just saying there are some questions I'd like to ask him. Yeah, oh yeah. I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve. But you know, it was obviously, I think it could arguably be said that this is the biggest murder mystery in modern Arkansas. And people have been trying to figure out for 30 years what happened. Exactly. And I believe in the mayor, I'll ever read his book. There were several state and federal investigations in the early years that seemed to have been shut down from on high. Yes. And so people in Central Arkansas and other parts of the country have always wanted to know. Well, let me tell you a couple of explanations of that. Yeah. First of all, Fannie Mallack spun this tale is totally unbelievable. And Fannie Mallack and Bill Clinton went back a long way because Fannie Mallack testified for Bill Clinton's mother in a malpractice case before this ever started. And the state police investigation got stopped at the very top. The grand juries in that with the NASA headset was running in Bort Smith, never issued subpoenas. All the grand juries got stopped. And he's got the power to stop that except the governor that became the president. Fannie Mallack for people, if you're wondering, if you're who are David Lewis talking about, he was a chief medical examiner of the state of Arkansas for many years under Bill Clinton until about the time he was running for president. And the allegation about Fannie Mallack covering for Bill Clinton's mother and nurse and exodus in hot springs is covered in some detail in Mara Levaritz book, Boys in the Tracks. And even the grand jury that Dan Harmon in paneled in Selene County basically overturned Fannie Mallack's conclusion that the boys passed out from smoking too much marijuana on the railroad tracks and said that there was a homicide. I was sort of involved in that grand jury in that I was in touch with Garrett and Harmon at the time and represented one of at least one witness. So I was real close to it. And I fully believed that Harmon and Garrett were doing the right thing. They convinced me. Oh, with the grand jury. Yeah. And apparently you changed your opinion later on. All right, our David Lewis, it's been quite a day and we appreciate you. Appreciate you chiming in. Thank you so much. Hey, listen, this needs to be a transcript on the front page of the Washington Post or New York Times or something that was a gray interview doc. Well, I appreciate your kind words. Thank you very much.