JIM FETZER "The Raw Deal" (1-19-20) Ian Fantom,9/11,JFK, Mainstream Media,CIA

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When you attend the funeral, it is sad to think that sooner or later those you love will do the same for you. And you may have bought its tragic, not to mention other adjectives to think of all the we think they will do. But don't you worry, no more ashes, no more sackful, and an arm band made a black ball. Will someday never more adorn the sleeve, or if the bomb that drops on you, gets your friends and neighbors too. There'll be nobody left behind to agree, and we will all go together when we go. When I come working back, that is to know. Universe, so good reason and time, inspiring achievement. Yes, we all will go together when we go. We will all go together when we go. All of you will not be in touch, that's not below. No one will have the endurance to collect, not his insurance. No one will be loaded when they go. We will all cry together when we cry. We'll be friends, right? Potatoes, right? There will be no more misery when the world is our own misery, as we all will cry together when we cry. We will all be together when we think they'll be no body presence at the weight. We will be participation in that grand incineration, nearly three billion hunts of well-done steak. We will all char together when we go. And let there be no owning of the bar, just sing out a TD on when you see that ICBM and the party will be come as you are. Come as you are indeed. I'm very pleased to say today I have a special guest from the UK, Ian Fanton, who was reminding me that we met a decade ago, when in 2010 I organized a conference on debunking the World Terror at Friendshouse in London. I spoke at a group called Keep Talking, about 9-11 on that occasion in the company of my dear friend Dick Colourstrom. And the presentation itself featured not only me as a speaker, but Kevin Barrett and Gillen Otsman and included Ken O'Keefe as our master of ceremonies. Ian and I will be talking about a wide range of issues, including some new books from Progressing Press, which is quite a fine publisher in the UK. Also about 9-11, Judy Wood and related issues and no doubt others in addition, Ian, welcome to the raw deal. Thank you very much. I'm delighted to have you here. Good introduction from London Swung. Nice and British. Well, hard to know where exactly to begin, but I think that Progressing Press has this wonderful book about the corruption of the mainstream media by the CIA, and that's a jump vital topic, where the author, who was German, was taken out a few years ago at the Asia 56, a heart attack that I strongly suspect was in Doos, Ian. Well, I'm not quite sure. I haven't read those pieces, but he wasn't expected to live for that long anyway. So exactly what happened, I'm not quite sure. He had an illness through the poison gases in Iraq or Iran. So he was a UK or German combat veteran of Iraq or Syria, and he somehow been exposed to poison gases, maybe. You went back to report on the poison gas from the Frank Porter Algemeiner. Aha, he was a reporter. He was a reporter, and he was puzzled when he got back because he wrote this report on the jewel. And he wasn't interested. And he came to the conclusion that he was being used by the secret services to confirm what was actually going on. So that gave him a chronic problem. So I'm a little confused on whether he died before he was expected to die or whether he was bumped off, but there'd been a few e-books published as I haven't looked at. Not by progressive press. I haven't seen that side of it, but it's quite possible because he says in his book that he's planning other books, two other books. That's the first in the series of three, which I thought was with respect to a secret service. We're all naive. We're talking about that earlier. We all make big mistakes. But if it had been me, I wouldn't have said I was going to publish more because it's right right right right. Right. But the books simply appear on expectantly because what's what you have to say is out in the public domain, the Modi for silencing you by taking you out is dramatically reduced. Well, yes, yes. You could have got the manuscript out before publishing it. So there's quite a lot to think about that, but this is the book that came out about three years ago. And I got it with the hope that I could read it, but my Germans got very rusty. So I went started going to a German circle to participate again, but the introduction is more colloquial than the content. So it's starting with the first. And his name was Udo Ulkoft. Ulkoft. Ulkoft. Ulkoft. Ulkoft. Yes. Yeah. I can see it, but of course our audience cannot. The public can legally shall wevered now correct? Right. So, um, the colleague of mine and myself in, uh, talking, we're working on trying to find someone to publish it in English. Yeah. That's a big job because it's got to be translated. Right. We were looking for translators eventually. Uh, progressive press found the translator and set it all up and paid the translator. So it's quite a big investment for them. Uh, you can't see. Yeah, I see one of the, uh, yeah, press statutes embedded in the pay of the CIA. Yes. Indeed. I wonder whether his experience covering the war where they were trying to use him didn't give him a tip off that this is something that was occurring on a large scale. Sorry. You wonder whether I wonder whether his experience. He said he was being manipulated. He felt in terms of his coverage of the war by the intelligence agency. So I wonder whether this might not have given him the inkling that perhaps something like this was taking place on a larger scale. Probably. Uh, but he talks, uh, about Germany rather than international, but he does mention the occasionally British newspapers and so on. But in an interview he gave with RT, you should say in Britain, in English, he resists whether the same thing goes on in other countries. And he said, yes, it's widespread in the Western countries. I think today that RT and Sputnik news and press TV are the leading purveyors of news about international developments. Most certainly you cannot depend on the American media, none of the networks and certainly not the New York Times or the Washington Post. I think people over here are latching on bit by bit. But he was asked specifically about Britain. He said, yes, Britain is the worst. You've got the biggest links with America. And he describes Germany as a colony of America. But only, um, it's honesty of the mass media. People are slowly latching on, but pretty well universally they're latching on to the fact that politicians still lies. And. Well, remember, I only came into this in 2006, um, after my researchers into this rancher association and realized what I was seeing there in the micro scale must be more general. As you say, would it all have got a must have realized this was a much bigger thing than just his own experience. And so in 2006, after that, um, vilified me and, um, criticized me for being critical of the committee. Uh, which is have a critical, of course. Um, I thought I really ought to find out whether this is, um, I can get confirmation that it's my five because I thought they were the only people who could be doing this. And I had long conversations with their own legal advisor who was running why he'd be marginalized at the point when they needed him. And, um, he said, it was difficult to see it first, but when you do see it, it's bleeding obvious. So it was like that for me until I did the research. I all I knew about mainstream media is that they didn't always check the facts properly. Anything I knew about. They got facts details wrong. And I stopped taking a daily national daily newspaper in 1970. Which, which paper were you subscribing to? Well, I didn't subscribe. I just bought a news. I have a knife of under or other. Guardian? Well, for that period, the times was the normal one, but, um, for that period for three years, I was doing information work, uh, purposely work for the Esperanto Association. And so I'd compare different newspapers. I get a few newspapers and I can't have them. And I found it strange that they're all led to the same stories. And sometimes we need to store it. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Even for beta. I haven't quite got that far in those days, but, um, you see, when there's, um, this 13, I paid my first visit to Germany. And I respond just after the war. So it's 13 years after the war. And, um, it was a trivial incident. The policeman's hat blew off. And I picked his out and he said, thank you. Zero. And I thought, Germany's a normal people. So if they're normal people, how it is just over 13 years ago, they were running and waving and fighting the answers. We're normal people. Could it happen here? And one part of my brain was saying, well, of course it could. Logic the part and the other part was saying, hang on, we're British. We can't happen here. Everyone knows that. And I had that dichotomy. And from that moment on, I realized that unless people knew what was going on, we would get a dictatorship. We would get tourney. So I made it a point to listen to the BBC news every day. Well, we can speak up in a moment. When we talk about the managed media, the BBC came here to my home, their Madison, Wisconsin, to interview me for their first conspiracy files program on 9-11. I found in scholars for 9-11, they interviewed me for eight hours. I must have given them a hundred arguments substantiated. They selected the one they thought would go for as the least plausible for their audience, gave me seven and a half minutes. And they had four minutes for Alex Jones and three and a half for Dylan Avery who produced loose change. So Dylan was supposed to be the snott knows kid. Alex the messianic creature and I was the cookie professor. They spent the other 45 minutes of the show with psychologists speculating about why anyone would believe these crazy theories. You know, I said, that's the end. You know, and then I've given them a hundred arguments I've guaranteed minimally in that amount of time. That's how it works. What year was that? What's that before two thousand? That would have been 2007 maybe 2008 right there. I guess I'd recognize it. I think I remember it. Yeah. They actually keep they wanted to interview me again. And I said I hadn't appreciated how they'd handled the first time. But if they were more, you know, did a more appropriate, they came back for four hours. And this time they used what I said as a framework. So they had much more of me, but it was a framework for presenting their take on 9 to 11. So it's tough. Actually, I was interviewed by NBC right about that time and they used what I had to say as a background narrative for their take too. So it's not unique to the BBC. No, but I was following the BBC news from the age of 13 to 60 before. I realized what was going on. So I had a lot of unbrained watching to do. Yeah. The way it happened with the time is in a tiny membership association. It's part of a worldwide association from promoting Esperanto, the international language. And I've been doing promotional work in the 1970s. And everyone in the country that I say you're about it. And we had the parliamentary group with over half of the members of parliament in that Esperanto group. So we're doing quite quite well. And then strange things started happening. And I left it. I've heard of committees for 30 years. New there was something dramatically wrong. Went into the committee to find out what was going on. I found there were hiding the capital and telling everyone there was a financial crisis. And so they slated me at the next day GM where I was a candidate again for the committee. And I was convinced by Will because I was only a member because I've been threatened. You know, there might be people against you possibly from within the committee. And there was typical civil service speak from a former top civil servant. So after that episode, I thought well, it must be MR5. There's no one else that would fit the bill. And I've got a couple of books on MR5 defending the realm about the shader affair. And another called the former deputy director of MR5 blowing the whistle on the spike hatchet that was called. It's very famous in this country. There was a lot of what was happening. There were infiltrating all sorts of places. And it was only when I read the paragraph in one of those books. I think it was by capture saying how incompetent MR5 teams were in giving examples. That's a thought. Yeah, it could be a my five. Because I got previously. So and I discussed this with the I went to see their lawyer, the legal advisor, the solicitor saying I don't understand the legal set of this association. And after a couple of hours or so, it poiled down to I don't either. It doesn't make sense. So there was spinning a yarn about everything. So after they done a hatchet job on me in 2006, I thought I must check this out. So I looked up David Schaeler 2006 events. And immediately I found that David Schaeler and Andy Marshall were giving talks on the other side of London. I was living about 60 miles west of London. They were in history six miles east of men. So I went to that meeting and specifically to us David Schaeler, whether MR5 had penetrated the S-Render movement. And I learned a lot in doing that. I found out about 911. I thought my country supports something incredible. It was such a shock to me. And I looked at Stephen Jones's paper, why did the wine deed did the towers fall? And missed the fact that the top of the tower is exploded. Yeah, the top three floor of the South tilted to the side. It presses in his paper astonishment how it just blows apart, which it seems to me as an enormously important fact about 911 that's widely ignored because most people are simply unaware. Well, you know, I read that paper and I wrote a lot of it all about it. And it got it published in an international current affairs magazine in the sprinter because I wouldn't have had a chance to learn anything in English. They put the picture on the print cover. And it was when I saw that picture, I thought, hang on, I've missed something here. It's tilted by what happened to me. No, it couldn't have stopped because it was quite too much anger in the momentum. And it just pulverized. So how he can reconcile that with his series about Mano Thermite is beyond me. But they're already on the side and let the paper on Mano Thermite. And I can see that I mean anything to you with chemistry depends on the samples and proof that you the samples haven't been samples haven't been tampered with and so on. But the physics of it of Steven Jones's paper all looked right to me until I saw that picture. Then there was a paper on Mano Thermite by quite a lot of authors including Steven Jones and Richard Cage I think. Was it Richard Cage? Patrick Bane, this Archivection Engineer. Yes, and Steven Jones is closely affiliated with them. Yeah, yeah. But I think it's quite feasible that Mr. Mike or of some sort as well as Newtale and the Grounds. But when you interviewed me 10 years ago, I said have a look at the Newtale theory. And that took quite a long time to do that. And it was Heinz Pomer who put me on that. Yes. We invited him to give a talk. He came across from Germany is very, very keen. And it was that thought that convinced me that there is at least a very strong case. I mean, I can't verify all the newly physics that he's talking about being different underground than overground. It looks sensible and as far as I know, no one's contested that. So the thing gets bigger and bigger as it goes along. But the, yes, in 2006, I went to that meeting and met David Chadel for the first time. It was a bit awkward because I met him in the dark. He was waiting by his car and I went up and said, and he's myself as a little bit more to conceal his identity from public view. No, no, no, it was dark because it was December. And this was the world that goes dark quite early in the winter. But he was, his colleagues were taking equipment into the room. So I showed him some papers, handed some papers over and the top paper was a letter to the civil rights, the Civil Rights Organization. Just for audience, your background is in physics. Have you had an epidemic appointments in physics yourself? You have a very professorial demeanor about you. Do I? About this time, my perception of myself started changing from the feedback. And I, I, I, um, realized not the time, you know, basically I was finding out what I was good at. But I didn't say it that way. I was finding out what are the people were about that. And it was very strange. I, I did an MSc in quantum electronics. And then, um, was hoping to make a career in physics. But I finished up in information work in scientific information work. I had a, a sleep stroke, knee gain problem, which meant that I was limited in concentration periods. Uh, so I finished up doing information work. Um, um, but you, you mean, you mean, uh, information technology as in computer processing? No, no, I went into that later. Are you being the physics of the nature of information or sick? No, I meant doing writing abstracts and indexing and, uh, ah, so, um, that meant I didn't go into, um, uh, long, yeah, I didn't get myself exhausted doing it. Um, but it all, uh, who was it, um, uh, Gryffin, what's his name? Who wrote the Pearl Harbor, uh, the new Pearl Harbor book? Said that everything, Stephen R. Gryffin. Stephen R. Gryffin. Um, said that everything he'd done in life so far was, um, as if it was training for what he's doing now. And that's exactly how I felt. You mean his work on 9-11? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, the information, I mean, Mr. R. Gryffin, I've been doing, I've been writing, um, technical things, writing abstracts, uh, reports, seeking out information for engineers, and so on. And, um, that expertise plus the physics. So, so you're needing to do physics, but I changed my mind on what physics is. It's not the objects you're studying that you make it physics. It's the way you do it. So, you can, I was studying linguistic at one stage, but I thought, how would the physicists do that? Suppose the parts of speech were, and mentioned partitals. You start off by categorizing them and then classifying them and looking, judging it by the properties. Something that no linguist actually does. And, um, one say, there's thinking about psychology. How would a scientist approach psychology? Um, well, you throw all the, you question everything and start from scratch. And, you know, that was the physics approach. So, um, when I was researching the Esperanza Association, I had that approach. And when I went into the committee, I consciously disassociated myself from all my friends that and looked at them objectively. That's part of the training. And, um, and rather did that. I'd been in difficulties if I hadn't studied them objectively. And, actually, the techniques that I was finding that, very exactly the techniques that I'm finding now in the Zionist lobby. And I hadn't made the connection at all. And I found that someone was dismantling this Esperanto movement. And it, it was someone that pressed the button in 1992 for the whole range of things. Um, in public affairs. And, uh, it was quite some time before I latched on to the idea that it was all interrelated. Because I was looking within the association. What's changed? Absolutely nothing had changed. What changed outside? I was the beginning of the post-Cold War period just after the commercial communism. So, um, I diverged from where I was. I mean, let me return to something you mentioned in passing, which had to do with Steve Jones samples. As you may know, us samples came from an apartment near ground zero. Isn't it interesting how we use that phrase? Yes. Incinated with nuclear bomb testing ground zero. I'd be mending about that for years. Yes, yes, yes. And I think totally appropriately. But where the US Geological Survey did very extensive studies of dust samples from 35 locations in lower Manhattan and discovered elements, which in their presence and correlation, their quantities and correlation would only be explicable. Had this been a nuclear event, including a lot of elements that otherwise would not have been present. Barry M. Straniam, Lithium, Lantium, Tradyum, some of which only exist in radioactive forms. And I'd been very disturbed with both Steve Jones and architects and engineers on the one hand, but also Judy Wood and her dues group on the other, that they have never responded to that mass of evidence, which substantiates the use of nukes for which there's also a host of additional evidence. But it was this failure by Judy Wood that convinced me she's really not practicing science. I think at one time, and indeed I even described her in many of the 15 interviews I did with her, and you may not know, but between November of 2006 and mid-2008, I had Judy Wood on my radio program 15 times. It was pioneering the interaction between the computer and the radio because we'd go to a website and go through pages and studies and photographs and so forth. I've long admired her compilation of photographs and documents that perhaps the most impressive we have available certainly between the covers of a single book. And yet, you see, just before I organized two conferences at first scholars, one in 2007, right here in Madison on the science and the politics of 9-11. I gave Judy Wood an unprecedented three hours to speak in three hours. I mean, I have 35 years in higher education. You know, hundreds of conferences. No one has ever been given three hours to speak, but I gave Judy Wood three hours to speak. I also organized a Vancouver hearings in 2012. And in May, before that meeting in June, I published a five-star review of her book on Amazon.com, in which I praised it as this splendid collaboration, this assemblage of evidence, photographs, documents, and so forth. But I said that, well, I thought she'd been successful in debunking the notion that it'd been large nukes that I thought she had not been successful regarding many or micro-nukes. After the conference I came back and I found that my five-star review had over 2,000 comments, my review, 2,000 comments, overwhelmingly negative from Judy's people attacking me for questioning her. But while I'd been at the conference, several of the speakers had given more and more evidence of substantial than it had been a nuclear event. So I realized this was not a satisfactory situation. I revised my review and I added the US Geological Survey discoveries and downgraded it from five to three. And Ian, would you believe if you went to look at my review, mind you, this is my review of her book, Notter Book. There are over 7,500 comments on my review, overwhelmingly negative because of her from Judy, Trolls, and Shells. I mean, I was done. Yeah, yeah. I can believe that because I've been following it a distance since 2007. So there's a lot that's already happened. And it was only when you came over to London for a talk, tended by 60, 61, I think people. But that started to like John to to that situation. So I realized that they've been a sort of three, three-pointed discussion between you, Stephen Jones and Judy Wood. Yeah. And I was when Nick said you were coming over, I issued a word of caution because I didn't know who was right and who was wrong. It was very good to meet you and discuss with you. And then that, again, confidence, but I didn't, I don't think that's safe. I was aware of the issue. Those must have been the right 61 people in because if it caught on or had gained some traction, I'm very glad for that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You can know when things go wrong. You can usually retrieve something from how they went wrong and find out what's actually going on. Well, as you well know, since we've discussed it, I mean, the venue of Friendshouse for the conference on the Bunkie in the World Terror, which featured Kevin Barrett and Jillian Otsman and master ceremonies Ken O'Keefe as was myself, the fellow who was assisting me in organizing it who was a husband or boyfriend of my webmaster, a woman who was just brilliant at information technology, have thought that it would be a big draw for Muslims because they'd learned they worked on the hook because Osama bin Laden and the 19 Islamic terrorists had actually nothing to do with it. They were just as much the pasties as Lee Harvey Oswald in relation to JFK or Sirhan, Sirhan in relation to Bobby. So we thought it would be a big draw and we spent quite a lot of time and I believe you joined us in some of those visits going to Moss throughout London. And I don't know if a single Muslim turned up for the talk. I don't know if even one actually showed. I don't think they did. I saw some people with brown skin and they were Muslims and they said, no, it's a good guy anyway. I knew most of the rest of them. So I don't think so. I wasn't too surprised either because the people you got working for you weren't known and they truth movement in London had never come across them. They disappeared immediately afterwards. Well, they were, you know, it was my, the woman who designed my website and her boyfriend and you know, I was following her lead but it didn't pan out in terms of turnout. On the other hand, I'm glad that it seemed to have had an impact in spite of it all. But yeah, but let me add that the reason why the US Geological Survey evidence is so important is that if one is of a scientific displecession, then you need to adjust your conclusions when there's an impact of new evidence or alternative hypotheses to reject hypotheses you previously accepted, accept hypotheses you previously rejected and leave others in suspense, which Judy has not gone. And it's at that point I was convinced, although I'd written about it before that actually her movement was more of the nature of a cult where they had a sacred text, the book, where did the towers go? They had a mystical leader, Judy would herself and then they had a Praetorian guard, including Andrew Johnson in this fellow Tom Potter and a couple of others who are very vicious and going after rather savagely anyone who descends from the doctrines of the church. I mean, to me, it was really a revelation because I had repeatedly described Judy as having the best credentials background in mechanical engineering and material science and so forth. Just a perfect background for studying 9-11 and yet here she was wedded to an indefensible theory. Well, that's right. The book itself, the first chapter seems to me very good on the photographic evidence. I haven't checked whether she gives sources for those photographs, but if we take those as being authentic, it definitely shows more to it than the control of the minister. Oh, yeah, I have no doubt that all of her photographs are authentic. I was in Argentina and met the formal FEMA videographer who gave me a treasure trove of his video results and I haven't seen anything discrepant between what he had taken on the scene at the time on behalf of FEMA. And what Judy has presented. And of course, he was dealing with the debris, the rumble, what was left of the World Trade Center, with many of her photographs included, you know, the destruction as it was taking place. And first off, let's be so obvious to anyone if they stop and think about it. There's no collapse going on. The buildings are blowing apart in every direction from the top down. All the floors are remaining stationary. The buildings are being converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust, which incidentally is a signature of the use of nuclear devices. And when it was over, there was no stack of debris in their footprint. Contrast that with building seven, as you well know, Ian, where all the floors came down together and where he had a stack of debris, we'll do about 12 percent of the height of the original 47 floors or five and a half floors of debris with a 110-story towersion, if had about 13 and a half floors of debris, but it was that there are no collapse. They were being converted into very fine dust. And something I did like, did was to introduce new words like, dastification, you know. Yes, yeah. It's surprising how much you can learn just from the use of language, justification, why is it choosing that word. And there's another word used earlier, I forgot from what it was, but a lot of the... It introduced several several terms into the vernacular that originated with her to the best of my knowledge. Yeah, yeah. But even wider, like anti-semitism, the first time I heard the word anti-semitic, I was eight at school. And the teacher said, does anyone know the word for against the Jews? And my next door neighbor shot his hand up and said, anti-semitic. And I thought, what's funny word, why can't this say anti-Jewish? And I've remembered that because it didn't make sense. The Palestinians themselves are semites, of course, and as you will know. So, you know, in fact, you know, DNA studies have shown that the present occupants of Israel are not descended at the time tribe of Judah, but of the K-Zars and the Ukrainian region, which means they're not actually semites themselves, but instead because the Palestinians are the greatest practitioners of anti-semitism the world has ever known. That's right. And I wrote an article on Tehrzah Hetzl, a Tepeyat in the Ones Review. Wonderful. That's a wonderful review. Kevin Barrett did a brilliant job of my Sandy Hook lawsuit. The best ever written in Ones Review wonderful. In title, the legal lynching of a true seeker, Jim Fester Stalinist style show trial. It's brilliant. If someone wants to understand what was going on, read that piece by Kevin. Yeah, yes, I sure that. A 4,000 word article called the Labour Party split. The UK Labour Party split. Just what the doctor prescribed. And what happened, what was happening in the Labour Party, the denunciation of Jeremy Corbyn for being anti-semitic, etc. Was following on what Tehrzah Hetzl had been recommending in his diaries. Now, in the complete diaries, he wrote whoever deals with the publication of these diaries should suppress certain things and just have a sanitised version until after Israel is well established and then publish the whole thing. So in 1960, the complete diaries of Tehrzah Hetzl was published. But they were difficult to get told off. Now, the colleague who paid a few hundred pounds to get hold of them is now on the web. So I looked at that and in the complete diaries, Tehrzah Hetzl is recommending the Zaro pressure and the Kaiser of Germany to run up the Jews and send them to Palestine. And you call that the final solution of the Jewish question. So all that comes from Tehrzah Hetzl and all the talk of anti-semitism is what they call reversal, blame reversal in that they blame other people for what they're doing themselves. So I put a lot of effort into that because if that gets out to the ordinary rank and file of the Labour Party, it will talk pido, what's mean that the campaign by the Zionist against Jeremy Kuhman. You know, you just need a anti-semitism. You may or may not be aware that Donald Trump has just expanded the definition of anti-semitism by an executive order to include any criticism of Israel or the actions of the government of Israel, which is a manifest uncertainty. This is an aspiration asynos that they should be immune from all criticism. Walter observed, if you want to know by whom you are ruled, just ask who you're not allowed to criticize. Yeah, well that's already happened in the United Kingdom. It's the international Holocaust Remembrance Association's definition. And it's been a major topic in the Labour Party against Jeremy Corbyan's wishes, but they adopted that. And in the Church of England and in various unions, and it's suppressing freedom of speech over Israel, and they're applying it that way. That's terrible. It's absolutely terrible. And it's terrible. Like, go ahead. It's terrible that people accept it, that they don't support the one or two people who are sticking up against the Sun and the against the Sun. Yeah, David Irving being among them. Sorry. David Irving being among them. Among social. Oh, you're speaking out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the first time I started taking him seriously was when I heard on the BBC news, it had been sent to prison in Austria for his beliefs on the Holocaust. And whatever, I didn't know anything about the issue, but no, that shouldn't be happening. Yeah, the idea you should be sent to prison for your beliefs. You know, that's just absurd on its face. It is. There's sort of effectively bringing it in, but David Cameron, when he was Prime Minister, and Theresa May was the Home Secretary of Internal Affairs, announced that he was going to introduce a counter-extremism bill. So that it could be the criminal offense to be deemed an extremist. And there are lots of interviews questioned even on the BBC or what they mean by extremism. And there are several high ups in the conservative ruling party, the conservative party, who were objecting to it, saying that, well, that is the beginning of tyranny. It was announced in the Queen's speech, which makes at the beginning of every parliament to declare the government's policy. It's not her speech, she has to read it out. And nothing happened. And then the following year, she registered again. Well, it's unheard of for the same policy to be in two Queen's speeches. And they eventually quietly dropped it. A week or so ago, I heard that there were plans for a legislation to make it a criminal offense to watch videos on the internet of terrorist events or how did they, of extremist events. So people from that news report will be understanding beheadings by ISIS, that sort of thing, but actually, unless you're very careful with your definitions, it could put your immune prison because we make a video of 9-11. Our mutual friend Nick Collarstrom lost his position at University College. Yeah, University College in London because of his skepticism about the official count in 9-11. I mean, he's a notable historian. That was the Holocaust. Well, the book I thought was over his 9-11. He also has the book breaking the spell, but I think he was given the book. Oh, you're right. He was given the book requesting the use of Cyclone B. Actually, I authored the introduction to the book and it was a great honor to do so, where I laid out the case of how we know that the official narrative we've been given about World War II is in the fat symbol on scientific and empirical grounds. I mean, I was very glad to have the opportunity to write that piece. Nick, of course, has done brilliant work with which you're well familiar on the London 7-7 subway attacks. Terror on the Tube, where you're instrumental in getting the book indexed, which is a very good thing to do. He also, of course, is published Chronicles of Hallslight Terror initially here in the US with Moonrock books, but now there's an addition, I think, with Progressive Press because it's so expensive to get books from the US into the UK. And this is a guy I admire beyond words, Ian. He's just a wonderful guy. You know, when he heard, and I think it was Cameron denouncing anyone who was skeptical about 9-11, for example, or took other unpopular views, he marched himself down to Scotland Yard to turn himself in with a copy of his book. And they said, oh, no, no, no, no, no, doctor, cold, we don't need you. I went with him as a compliment. When you went there, that in case, you know, it's so wonderful, that is so wonderful. He's such a sensational guy and he's so low-key and modest and unassuming. That's right, that's right. Yes, I went with him and I put some effort into trying to get this film on television. Was that terror on the Tube? He was taking down because he was didn't agree with the official count of the... I think it was terror on the Tube, yes. And we got to Prestee Vee. Yeah, it was wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. I love it, I love it. Well, the two people... I used an image up here in that Scotland Yard, one of my pieces about him, yeah. The two people from Prestee Vee said, well, actually, it's their last contract because Prestee Vee was banned in Britain. Yeah, but what is shame because they're among the most objective, I mean, as I was saying before, Prestee Vee RT and Sputnik seemed to me to be the... If you want to understand what's going on, those are the right sources, not the more familiar, you know, New York comment department, I was time newsweek at any of the networks. Yeah, well, those two people that come from the journalists then moved over to RT. I see one of them as a journalist quite regularly in RT in this country. Well, RT is under pressure, there have been politicians saying that RT should be closed down in this country. That's crazy. You know, I mean, the only way... Karl Popper was very emphatic, that the best reliable method for discovering the truth is rational debate and criticism. And of course, also a champion of falsification is... We need the best way to tell whether a theory is true is to attempt to falsify it and fail. If you attempt to falsify a theory and you're unsuccessful, that suggests it may actually be true unless you haven't quite figured out the right way to falsify. My first work on the theoretical foundations of scientific knowledge was dedicated to Popper. And it's a... It's a title of scientific knowledge, a subtitle is... Possiation, explanation, corroboration because that's Popper's turn for the kind of evidence you obtain when you attempt to falsify a theory and are unsuccessful. You corroborate the theory, which in his estimate and I would agree is the only real serious evidence that a theory is true. Well, an example of that. Remember I knew nothing about the Holocaust issue when Nick was talking about it. And I defended him when the 9-11 group were holding a meeting with one thing on the menu on the agenda, which was to ban Nicholas Trump from all future meetings. How awful, how awful. Well, the one guy who's got the greatest integrity intellect, background knowledge. Well, that's why. And he just published a 777 book as well, which I think was a real error on the tube, yeah. Yeah, the 9-11 truth prevent and then they just been taken over by a new group. You know, I have to have you hold that thought. I'm going to announce to everyone if they'd like to call in and speak to Ian and me about any of these issues. The number is 540-3524452. I repeat 540352-4452. Mitchell will take your call, get you on the air, he may have to call you back. But if you'd like to speak with us tonight, call in 5403524452 Ian, I'm just delighted to have you here. Thank you, thank you. You know, the book that I got, which convinced me more than any other about the Holocaust. Hold that, hold that thought in, we'll pick up when we come right back from the break. Oh, I see, right. About 5 minutes Ian, if you want to. Listen to me. Why is it a conspiracy? 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Deborah is leading the attack against those who debunk the mythology of the holocaust in an effort to deprive the movement of its arguments as though she could discredit them but you're saying she doesn't have any evidence this is reminiscent of the trials of Zondole in Canada which Robert for a son documented were during the first trial as I recall is in 1984 the prosecution could not produce a single witness to testify having seen anyone put to death in a gas chamber in the second trial of 1988 was even more significant because the leading expert in American gas chambers went to Germany and investigated the facility and came back with what's known as the lock to report none of them would have been suitable to service gas chambers if you have no gas chambers obviously you have nobody being put to death in a gas chamber much less six million with a very number appears to have theological origins not historical or empirical in fact it turns out there are 236 references to six million Jews being in dire straits or fear of loss of their lives in the international press before the Nuremberg Tribunal beginning in 1890 and in fact it appears to be derivative of a disputed of the disputed passage in Levinicas that has been interpreted as meaning that the chosen people can return to the promised land only when their might is six million but even that requires an interpolation because there was no word in the original he moved for six million indeed indeed the international committee of the Red Cross was keeping copious records and of the the the sex the age the race the ethnicity the religion of everyone who died in one of the camps including their cause of death they recalibrated their findings in 1993 and the total they arrived at was 296,081 none of whom died from being put to death in a gas chamber and this is where I think next work is so important in because he had access to what are known as the British deathbooks having cracked the German code the bricks were keeping copies of all the records the Germans being so meticulous they had all the records that confirmed that confirmed the reports of the international committee of the Red Cross so next work blew up in 2008 two years before we found it keep talking and he wrote an article summarizing the findings on the gas chambers and there is also a comment somewhere about the the swimming pool in the office if you look at the name of the posh wets not only is there a swimming bowl there's a concert hall for symphonies there's a woodworking shop there's a hospital with OB GYN facilities I mean look if you want a simplest possible refutation of the mythology hundreds of children were born in these camps which makes no sense at all if they were extermination centers but a great deal of sense if you recognize they were actually labor camps because they were using the you know the captives there for forced labor to support the German military movement with typical progen efficiency yeah I knew nothing about this at the time and I was a bit you know taking the back or what Nick was saying but then the that was the time when the truth movement was collapsing in London and being taken over by the coldest of gang of four the investigation in 2011 group which was going to be a North Honourable group and well I'd system out of that stage but then they they rounded on Nick and helped this meeting where many of that but the only thing on the agenda was to exclude him from further meetings I went there to defend Nick not knowing anything about the issue it was irrelevant he's entitled to have his food it was the Voltaire principle I don't know if you know it in the States but the Voltaire's biographer in Britain summarized Voltaire's attitude by saying I disagree with what he says but I'll fight to the death defend his right to say yes yes yes yes and was it get into the whole that's the attitude we all ought to have about freedom of speech and freedom of the press yeah well of course you know I'd first do agree or disagree with anyone but to make up your own mind let a thousand flowers bloom well I went to defend Nick but Nick didn't turn up he was dragged off to some other meeting and so I was alone and they were producing all these quotes and Nick but they they main arguments were being put forward by someone I think was completely innocent being used saying yes but suppose Nick turns up at the meeting and the press then report it that's all very bad on the whole truth movement and I said well look they can do that anyway Nick doesn't have to be there they can send someone in from the British National Party or something and to put take some pictures of that oh they can just lie well yes yes yes by the way we have a hot we have a caller he has his own radio show is a long time student of JFK we met way back when it might have been 2006 possibly even earlier Robert Morningstar please do join the conversation Robert with Ian and me Mitchell bring in Robert okay he's muted Jim yeah Robert welcome welcome to the show hey Jen great to hear you and good to hear Ian I'm intrigued and really happy to hear this conversation going because I will have two things one is I want to ask you a question and if you don't know the answer I'll lose today and secondly I want to tell you about the day that I touched Herman Gurring's ring and this is related directly to John F. Kennedy assessment the first question I want to ask both of you is of course you know the war friends trial of a height man I don't fight now you will recall that he was in a soundproof glass booth do you know why they placed him in a soundproof glass booth probably so I couldn't hear the testimony against him and be positioned to defeat it that's right thank you but true it was actually to prevent him from speaking out and telling the judges that he had been involved in the establishment of the state of Israel that he had been Hitler's representative to visit the first keblixes that was set up in Palestine under something that is called the transfer agreement yes yes but that's the key was a deal made between Hitler and Zionist to allow any Jews who wanted to move to Israel to emigrate to Israel but they could not take any of their money or their possessions instead they were given vouchers that they could use in Israel to order German products and German goods and services and that was going along well so well that height man made two trips to Israel and he reported back to Hitler these people are great you should see them working we should help all of them come here and so then he went back now another point I want to make is about the the end of the year and then he had a question for you Robert and by the way I think we actually first met quite a bit earlier at 1993 at the Midwest assassination conference in Chicago I think that's right that's right that's the day that you defended me you're giving objectives you're giving objective scientific evidence and Robert Brode and among others was standing up to denounce you on no basis whatsoever I was quite flooring he was covering up with his abridor film of course name he and he became the handler of a whole bunch of people that have probably even out to this day he continues to insist that his abridor film was authentic for God's sake I don't think it was something great he actually came around to say he told somebody that he actually agrees with me the tip it's brain but the point that I about Ikeman and the skewed history that we suffer in the United States you know you and I were taught to admire and to love true history and today when you start to talk about true history the first thing they say to you is racist right I say people the truth has no race okay can't just say that if you if you said that if you've been a member of the labor party in Britain you would have been expelled for saying what you've just said about Ikeman about the facts and I got them from them I have to remember my dear late great friend Barry Shammish which Barry Shammish is a devoted dedicated Jew who loved his nationality Canadian and Israeli he exposed the execution of Yitzhak Rabin by Israel Shimon Perez and Netanyahu's party they murdered Sharon he he did with the videotape of the assassination of Sharon what you and I did with the abridor film he debunked the whole thing so he educated me on the real history now here's one thing we are all told that crystal night was a result of gravity and decemitism and as if there were no cause for it and here's the one detail they only will always leave out the reason the crystal night broke out was that on the day before that a Zionist student assassinated the German ambassador in Paris they will never tell you that that is what sparked and that is what brought to an end the transfer agreement that I was discussing that was being implemented and succeeded in establishing the first of Keyblitz's in Israel and that's a that's a very important point I believe that people need to know it wasn't just the rabid hatred this run out of nowhere and you know the name of the person who who assassinated that ambassador his name was Green Span spelled in the German way in the German way Green Span, slew the German ambassador and triggered crystal night now let me tell you about this unbelievable experience of touching herm and Gürings' reign all our lives in the nine you had been watching these films of Hitler and Güring plotting over the maps of Europe and pointing at the map and I always noticed that Güring he pointed there was a huge flash from his hand and it was obviously a ring but a ring of unusual size so flashed so in 1994 I was invited to debate John Lathamur, Dr. John Lathamur remember him, Jim? Of course, yes, yes, for us so the Brooklyn Harbor Defense Museum had me come in and talk about JFK and invited me to come in the following month November when Lathamur was there talking about Lincoln and so when he did his Lincoln thing I then was invited to show him my evidence you know the book I showed you with the schematics and the skulls and the facial comparisons and you know the one I call my masterpiece the square face photo my contention is that all the pictures that we see of the body and the says have been doctored and many of them are officer Tipper who was used as a substitute anyway I showed these pictures to Lathamur and as I turned the page and showed the professor Victor and Tipper his knees buckled and lightning went through his body and he was in shock and he turned to me and he said I must say this is the most compelling you collected the most compelling colorful photographs I've ever seen I must be going now and he took off like a bad out of hell who was that Robert you were showing them to John Lathamur, oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah like I did the rifle test for you right so he makes a deal for the door and he's left me with I must say the few of the entire the most compelling set of photographs I've ever seen I must be going now very very odd this part you think you want to get you think you want to get copies of the entire set Robert no matter what the expense not after what he said at the HSEA and all on CBS showing himself shooting through gelatin and pork yeah yeah yeah yeah to justify it yeah so I chased him down as a dump to Lathamur you you practiced at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital I'm on the west side I like to make an appointment with you come and discuss this further he says oh I'm very busy now I'm left to my ears you're you're in Berb is coming up he says to me you're in Berb is coming up and this is 1994 so I look at the guy physically I said you're in Berb and he says oh the anniversary is coming up and I was very stuck to it you're in Berb and I look at him again where is this coming from and he's trying to deflect me he says to me he killed himself 20 minutes before we're supposed to hang him and I'm going crazy going with this and then all of a sudden he says you want to see Gurings ring and he in a lightning he puts his fist in front of my nose and I'm staring at Herman Gurings ring and I'm looking at it and the shape I told you was gigantic in size I'm Gurings finger and it was oval shaped and deeply engraved in the most beautiful artisan way that the the pushing jonkers double eagle and I'm standing there like mesmerized not like I was freaking him the times he was using magic on me to get away from the JFK issue you know what's he going streets I look at it and I look at him and Jim you know the mystery who gave Herman Gurings the cyanide right nobody knows for people there were four people who tended to actually learn two guards and the doctor who was never named so Vladimir shows me the ring and I say may I touch it yes you may and I put my finger on it oh my god this guy traded this ring for the cyanide him and he's playing in juice he won himself plenty of minutes before we were supposed to hang but the reason I'm saying this is I want to show you that there's a paper clip not see element in the assassination of president Kennedy and the cover up and there's also a Zionist element in the cover up in that more than about 54 to 60 percent of the lawyers and investigators that the war and commission used were Jewish including Ireland's factory yeah of course you're absolutely right Robert yeah the yeah well I've always been concerned that operation paper clip during which we brought about 1500 Nazi scientists and intelligence officers into our own secret you know intelligence apparatus which would be come the CIA was that called lossal mistake of course it included Werner von Braun who is the leading expert on rocketry in the world at the time who described the size of the rocket necessary we're going to travel to the moon would have been larger than the Empire State building by three times and we would have needed three of them I mean the reasons we know how we know we didn't go to the moon are manifest but Werner von Braun is among those who give us clues he also led an exposition to the Antarctic by the way in advance of the moon missions to gather moon rocks that had been dislodged from the surface of the moon by the impact of small asteroids captured by Earth's gravitational field and brought down in the Antarctic so they could be presented as evidence that we'd gone to the moon they were real moon rocks but they simply had to ride on Earth by the mode of transportation all that and you say that Ben Braun went down there yeah he let an expedition to the Antarctic yeah if you had information on that I really like to I got a photograph of him with his cold hearts there yeah yeah yeah you know I do stuff on the on the faking of the moon landing as well as these other frauds that have been perpetrated on the public under what could be described as forms of mass illusion well you know we know that the the recruiter film is the greatest example of a mass hallucination ever engineered by a mindful control operation but it's I'm working on Antarctica in death right now and this is intriguing because President Kennedy Secretary of Defense Forestal and Admiral Bird were all connected in 1947 with the knowledge of the Roswell crash and the goings on in Antarctica so I'm working on Operation Paperclip and I found out an amazing thing in recent days we've been trying to get a good copy a high quality film copy of the secret land the documentary that they made and I have scoured the United States and the world and I was informed by the New York Public Library that they don't have one and nobody else in the entire internet library system has one except one copy that exists in North America and one copy in Australia Robert I want you to stay on the line we have another caller who's gonna join us captain Kirk from Colorado but I want you to stay on he may even have a question for you captain Kirk join it yeah I had a couple things to say to Robert because I kind of show that him and Mr. Rowe did that was really good one thing I wanted to say about the ring was in the the famous James Brown shapeshifting video on YouTube where he wears gloves in the studio and sunglasses and he has a big ring on his finger that he that he keeps his winnest program messes up and he needs to reset it he he reaches for a big ring and turns it on his hand kind of reset but the thing I wanted to say to Robert about that show I heard with Mr. Rowe was you were talking about the the laser that shined on you and your hallway after you have done yes I think that I think that maybe you opened up a portal by shining a laser into the mirror as I understand if then you yes we're coming back and caught the laser that the reflexive process of that correct yes captain Kirk if this is I agree with you after a long contemplation and analysis of how it to possibly happen I agree what captain Kirk is referring to as an experiment I did in the 1990s and apartment I love a silver mirror silver back mirror in the hallway it's eight feet high and the hallways about 60 feet long so I set up a camera and a laser on one and it's in to myself low like that on the camera what if I had made two layers of beams hit intersect so I shot the laser beam into the mirror and I could see because of a dust in our atmosphere I could see the other beam bouncing back and then slowly I coordinated enough to make them hit and to end make one one beam out of the tube and I didn't see anything it just looked like I had lined up with two lasers but when I saw the video that I had shot I went into shot I thought that I'm a puns I thought I got a picture of God in my hallway that's the only way I can describe it when those two beams hit two red ruby red laser beams bouncing off a silver back mirror what appeared in my hallway was a sphere of golden white and blue light that radiated and mesmerized me shocked me puzzles me to this great and it was exactly in this place in the hallway where I was basically I was breaking into a room that a friend of mine had accidentally locked shut really like it was actually chair had fallen down against it and there was no other other than breaking in so I broke into a skylight and as I'm blowing in through the skylight I decided to show my friend how difficult a task was because my friend had brushed it oh that's nothing you get a carpenter right so anyway I'm shooting this video that's the purpose of the reason and I'm hanging over and my my buttocks my back and my shoulders are visible my arms and my head are through the skylight and out of nowhere a ruby red laser beam comes down it comes across as my back the pluses my spine those across my sacrum down my left buttock down my thigh it's clear as day on gym on tony I was I was the most surprised person on the planet and my mind went back to telescopic rifle with a laser sight coming through my ceiling there's no explanation there no windows there's no laser there's no source but it's there as clean as day so thank you for calling in and we are living in a very very mysterious time I think nature has changed you know after the passing of the 2012 galactic centriental there are things that are moving amongst us that are alive but not visible and mr. Row has the greatest collection of let's call them orbs in the popular vocabulary but that's about it we're we're working in the realm of metaphysics right now knowing captain Kirk as I do I'm sure he has some other comments and questions go ahead yeah well my theory on what happened was when you shine a laser into a mirror the laser is so is theoretically 100% straight focused amplified light but because of the quarry oil at the back it's breaking to the right lightly in the northern hemisphere so then it hit the mirror and comes back it's being reversed and it's rotating a different way it's breaking to the left so it's like the initial ability at ball it's like that it's an ability at ball yeah so one cut the perk the other point is that I was shooting pure light into the mirror but when that light hit the silver backing of the mirror itself let came off the silver were electrons so what I actually unwittingly created was a laser electron collision that focus so electrons that were knocked out by that frequency of light came out resonating with the same frequency and it's looked red but there was an interaction on a subatomic particle level that revealed maybe that's what I was seeing was the Hicks wheel I'm living with maybe I just not the Hicks wheel into visibility to the camera not to my eyes I stayed in a toilet black all the way this is this is fascinating stuff Robert I wonder if you or Kirk have questions for him my guess this evening hello yes I do go right ahead I'm getting back to the subject do you remember the name Douglas Reed we know the name you know the book the Douglas Reed Douglas Reed was one of the most famous reporters in all of Europe in the 30s and 40s and he started to criticize basically Zionism and how it controlled the media and he started to point out exactly how it was being done in Germany and in Britain and he was shortly thereafter targeted and blacklisted and his writings were suppressed whereas he had been one of the most respective reporters in the entire empire in the entire empire press union you were recommending a rhetoric read that and I haven't done so yet I've got to hope I read semi read books my eyes have been opened by other intelligence analysts a lot of them call himself Thomas Payne he has a American intelligence media and he bets he lost go at it Thomas Payne educated me on the true nature of from tragic mocking place where we think we think that the intelligence agencies infiltrated the government the Douglas Ades or the media he says it's the other way around and it star