Chat with Amazing Grace & UK Critical Thinker 12th Jan 2019

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Hello everyone, it's amazing Grace and today I'm welcoming on my channel UK critical thinker and Bobby Zines. Hi guys. Hello. Hello. Hello. So okay, right, we go back a little way. Right, way back when I guess we were on our first channels. Some of us were called different names. So I thought it'd be a really great idea for us to get together and just have a little chat about some of the things that we're interested in now and some of the things we're covering. And sometimes I feel that chat between other channel producers sometimes creates some really interesting ideas and conversation that you can't always put into a video, I think. So we're going to see where it leads us. So for people that are tuning in, I just want to let you know I have a few questions written down. So I might come up with some structured questions, but generally speaking, we'll try to converse and just see what subjects we ends up hitting upon. So I'm going to throw a question at you. And yeah, give me I'm going to go to Bobby first. So okay, so you've dedicated your channel to expressing fake events and so has UK and misinformation in the mainstream and so forth. So I was just wondering really if there are other subjects outside of those kinds of exposing fake event things that you are interested in that maybe you don't put on your channel, but you look into on a personal level. So tough one. I got to think now what videos I have been making other than what I've already made, not a huge amount of subjects. Generally, if I find a subject interesting enough for me to research out, I do attempt to make a video on it and share my thoughts with anyone that watches it. So when you so when I'm along the line, are you you've got TV for instance and something pops up that maybe isn't anything to do with false flag? It could just be generally maybe world politics or something that's that you couldn't prove either way. Do you do go and look at those things yourself or do you just take a granted that it's you know, it's probably fake? I mean, how does that work? I keep away from politics as much as I can. Okay. Because I'm pretty much of the opinion that anything that does come out from the news, which is about politics is going to be it's pretty much going to be phony or at least they're not going to give us the full truth about it. So I don't even generally try not to waste my time with politics at all. Probably something I've mostly, while I've come to my attention mostly lately is the world of sport and how I've curiously fixed and staged a lot of the new stories around that is. That's an interesting subject because actually I haven't dealt into it, but I'm suspicious over things like the Olympic Games for instance and that would actually combine on it might be something you might not look at because I think it's on a political level as well, but I couldn't give any detail about it. So I haven't dealt into it might be something I look at, but you might find interesting. I don't have any thoughts on the Olympics. The only thing I did notice about the Olympics, which I think was pointed out by another channel was that all the there was quite a lot of terror events going on and then once the Olympics started they all went off literally until after the closing ceremony and they were done and then right on cue they started up again. Right. So they were given. Yeah, is that with most is that just with most recent Olympic games or is that something that's happened over time? That was the last the last Olympic Games I noticed. Right. Although going back to the one they had in I think it was 94. Uh, loss and there was a Los Angeles or they held one in America and there was a big bomb went off. Or there was a terror attack in in the middle of that one. So maybe that's not strictly true for all Olympic games. But the ones we just had in I think 2018 or so. Yeah, it did all seem to dry up just before that. All right. But before that there wouldn't have been, you know, back when the previous Olympic Games I would have bought anything that they told us more or less. I'm think. Yeah. Yeah, that's saying. Um, how about UK UK? How about you? I think the last thing I watched on television was the fireworks going off in London. So I had that I had that on on BBC one and the thing that I found most astonishing, wanting the fireworks or the wheel or any of that. It was the amount of people that were there from real seats, filming it. I'm thinking. Give it an hour and it would have been on BBC I play a, you know, hate the quality, but people have to insist, you know, it's almost like the they've got to prove that they were there. That's all it is. It's just a quick five second going look where I am, you know, rather than actually take the spectacle of being, you know, right there when these fireworks are going off in the moment. Yeah. And then that got me looking into how much that actually costs. Um, so it's the council that room of that area. So I think it's the city of London council. I think it said it costs them something like three and a half million to put on the fireworks. It's justified by saying that it brings people to London and the amount they spend and all the rest of it, but it's a lot of money to spend just on fireworks. And so yeah, sorry to interrupt. How many families could they have fed with that three million pounds a year? For a year. Yeah, definitely. And so regarding the kind of things that you, the videos that you produce UK, like you've got an inquisitive mind. So you must be looking into other things. And I mean, I don't mean just kind of noticing things on TV where you kind of, you know, think, oh, well, that's kind of interesting, but where you actually sit down and find out some information that you wouldn't necessarily make a video on, maybe because of reasons that you time restrictions or that it's just not in line with what you produce on your channel. But just on a personal note, no, really, like, do you have you delved into anything outside of what you usually produce? Um, not overly. I'm really boring. I mean, like, you had the, the thing to do with the drones that got wakair port. That, that took me interest just for a few minutes. But then also, I ended up watching. Um, I sort of got my head round, maddening the can stuff because I just forgotten a lot of it. So I brushed up on that just because I had time. Yeah. I'm looking at bookmarks as I usually gives a, gives a way a bit of a pattern as to what I was doing. Yeah. Um, yeah, I think the last proper thing would have been the parkling shootings and mainly not so much the event itself, but the magnitude of that happening, all the channels jumping on it and a lot of being taken down and it seemed to be specifically because of that one. So I recently uploaded some old videos that I saved from ages ago just to just with a bit of bugging cheek saying, you know, is it safe to actually talk about this? Um, but yeah, um, as far as videos are concerned, that's what I've done. But then again, when was it on Thursday? I actually went to a meeting in stopper to do with, if you have heard of the chartous movement? No, I don't think so. No, I mean either, but you know, Nigel and Natalie, they, they said it was a bunch of like-minded people getting together, just talking about this thing. And for the most part, it wasn't really, I mean, like when you look at the website, it's like, um, like some old school political party that wants to bring the power back to the people and all this. Um, but I'm the same, uh, would bobby on this one that I have no interest in politics whatsoever, you know, you can't replace the politics we have now, even with old style stuff, because it would still just be, it would end up being corrupt as it is now anyway. So it makes no lots to me from that point of view. But they had a guy there, um, doing a bit of a, you had about an apple with the talking away. And it was more on your level to me, I was grace, because he was talking about the education system and how ruined it is and how it's done on purpose and the best way to get around it would be to have homeschooling and things. So that was quite interesting. Yeah, actually, it's, um, interesting. You mentioned the parkman shooting because I watched the stuff that you put up because I don't, you know, I don't have TV, so I don't know about these events happen unless I go on the news website sometimes and they pop up, but I didn't really look at it too much. And so I looked at some of your videos and it led me to a question actually. I was wondering if either of you, when you make a video, for instance, particularly UK about parkman shooting or even Manchester, for instance, that you delve into maybe like the result of those events, do you ever look at like what laws come around because of those things and what things change because of them? How old is this the thing with parkland? And like I say, it wasn't just your average school shooting because of the fact it was the result that came after it. So, um, obviously you've got this kid that's going on TV saying, you know, I'm not an actor and he's, you know, it's becoming almost like a bit more public to actually say out wild, it was, you know, they had that. And then they did the, um, the march for our lives and whatever. So it was like another stepping stone towards whatever it is they're trying to, to game from all these things. Um, but then that got me looking at, um, you know, just some events just in general, just to see where people are up to. So for example, I'm subscribed to a guy who's, uh, he was covering the, uh, the Burke Street attack in Melbourne. Um, he'd actually gone to the inquest and things like that. See where this guy's up to, you know, we're supposed to have killed these people. Is he in jail? You know, or is he still in the system sort of thing? Um, do you remember the Texas shooting with Cassidy stay? Yes. Yeah. So I looked at that. I mean, all right. Same again. Didn't exactly like delve into it for days or anything. But I can't seem to find whatever happened to the guy who's supposed to have done it. It just seems to be that he had a trial or he was going to trial. And that really is the last of it. He doesn't say whether he got sentenced. They were talking about giving the death penalty, but it hasn't, it hasn't come to anything. It's almost as if it's got a shelf life of about two years. And then nothing's happened. Um, so that's something I might want to jump on really. It's just to sort of go, where are all these people? Where are they now? Kind of thing because everybody forgets them. Don't they? You think well, once it's over, that's that. Feend out with kind of thing and yeah, but is it like you say, you know, what is the repercussions afterwards is what's actually come of it? Um, and I met up with a friend of mine earlier this week. I was sort of trying to get across to him. You know, these things people don't seem to like look at what happens afterwards. And I mentioned about the drone, it got with care, but I said, like, what's happened to that now? The last, I fact, the last thing I could find on it is that the police were almost emitting that it could have could well have been theirs. But that's it. You know what I mean? Is that it supposed the 200,000 people affected by it? And it's just nothing that's come of it. See, because I was looking after watching your videos, I kind of had a look online about what that then was about because I didn't know anything. And so you know, from my point of view, my videos tend to sort of go into, go into the politics, do go into the law and that kind of thing. And I was really interested in what, what a change because of the shooting, like what things have been happened. Did you, did you hear about the Senate bill that they drew up because of the Parkland shooting? Was it Parkland shooting that, no, I might have been last, I guess it was to do with the bump stocks or whatever. Have they raised the, the age that you can buy guns, I think from 18 to 21. And they got rid of something out of Walmart as well. I think they did that too. Yeah, but there was a, I think it's Senate bill, gosh, seven, 20, or 7026 or something like that. And I'm not sure, yeah, it could have been off the back of something else, but I think they, I don't know if they've amended it. I mean, it took, it literally took like, gosh, three weeks for the bill to be submitted and then signed and agreed on. Yeah, it included raising this age to buy weapons that also included. And I think this is why we get a lot of school shootings is this sort of a based youth health awareness kind of group that they put into schools. And they leave it under the social people in the schools get like, um, educating how to spot mental illness in their students and that kind of thing. So I just, that kind of thing, you know, interest me into how it changes. Not just, you know, on the, on the front of it, it looks like it's particular to the schools that had the event, but obviously it feeds down to every school. And then before you know it, your child's being assessed by their teachers to whether they got mental health issue. And then of course it brought in problems buying a handgun if you had any record of mental illness and that kind of thing. So it seems to be something that's, you know, prominent lately, the mental health thing. How about you, Bobby? What is in the result of some of the fake, well, what I believe I think they're dig into what goes on in the background, that kind of thing. Yeah, I do try and follow them through. I mean, some of the stories that I've covered, I think some of the results have been quite, uh, being more obvious and they're not always political. Well, I didn't actually cover it, but thinking back to a sporting event. We had a football player Rahim Sterling being racially abused. It by members of the crowd. Right. And within, I think literally within a week of that, he was made a spokesperson for Nike and their inclusion committee or something. You know, it's very, it was a, do you remember? Right. Yeah, it's all really quick when it it was. Yeah. Was it with chip? Was it against Chelsea? Yeah, because the, it was all about again, the crowd, they were trying to like locate him. Meeting well, it's a guy in a crowd that if he's got a ticket, they know who was right. They made sure that that didn't come out until at least that a week after I think it was. And there wasn't all too much news on that, but let you say the focus was straight on to Rahim Sterling. He knew that he didn't need to like rise up to it or anything because like you say, you know, he just ended up with a sponsorship deal and all the rest of it. So yeah, I mean, it's curious how some of the, um, like for example, an event might take place now, but you don't actually the follow up might not happen for a couple of years because a few years back, well, probably about five years ago, Chelsea, a game were involved and they linked their, the fans to race his own, like a black commuter was being pushed off a train in Paris or something. So it's to put the idea into the people's heads that these particular set of fans, I've got a problem, you know, with race, you know, abuse in the, in the stadium, which I'd probably believe obviously maybe happens to a certain extent, but not as much as is reported. You see, I mean, two minds with it really because I do think when it comes to stuff like that, that it's almost like a relief for people, isn't it? I mean, why? Yeah. One thing that similar to what you do with that, Bobby is that, um, look at, um, it's like the football today, for example, right? Yeah, match at half 12, then you'll have a match at three o'clock and then the ball one at half five. And so that is effectively your entire Saturday, completely, um, drawing in by football. Yeah. Then you might have say boxing on in the night or the Spanish football usually starts later on as well. So if you are an avid football fan, you end up following that as well. So before you know it, that's that then Sunday, come along. We want it one o'clock, one at four o'clock. And now they've put it now they've put football on on Fridays and Mondays as well. So it's almost as if well, it just is, it's just a means of entertaining for just as long a period as possible. It is a great distraction technique, definitely, sport and other things that aren't slightly off the subject, but things like the national lottery or curious and nights they choose to put them on, which probably may be tying with other, you know, they've got a good method to say distract people when they want them distracted if you see what I mean. Yeah, there's one thing finishes and other things starts and it's not because, you know, they just want the line share of TV views. It's not. It's just they know that right, those same 10,000,000,000 people who are watching, they want them to watch the next celebrity something or other. Yeah, that's true. They definitely, it's like a relay, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't have television, but I know from, you know, my family chatting at one thing leads to the next, the next, and it did. It has done for a few years. It did, even when I had a TV, you know, X Factor and Brinds got talent and all that kind of stuff. Well, okay, so, using on this question, I'm actually quite interested because so we've all been on our own journey as far as conspiracies and stuff like that. And I'm just really interested now is if you look back on some of the things that you used to buy into and I don't mean in the mainstream. I mean in the conspiracy area that you no longer believe to because I think as you go on your journey, you become more, you become, you gain more discernment. And so even things that you used to believe in as things clear in your head and you understand how things work, you look back and I got actually, you know, that thing I used to believe in that's a conspiracy to I don't believe in anymore. If you've got any examples of those. Who's on first? Yeah. Bobby is he spoke first. Well, now I was going to ask you to add any examples. Could you maybe give us an example grace of one perhaps? Okay. Right. Right back at me. Well, I actually think. Probably have a list as long as my arm to be fair. But if I'm going to use a subject that is probably in most people's serious category, I would say that a lot of the things I wouldn't necessarily say that I no longer believe it. I say I would necessarily say that I no longer believe 100%. So things like, you know, I might get a bit of a rant about this one, but things like Ken trails, for instance. Now I'm really, I'm very careful now. About believing things from anywhere. So I'll go away and I'll look at Ken trails, for instance, which I made videos on and was totally, totally convinced that they were dropping metals on us and sorts of stuff made a few videos on it. And I don't have any problem with admitting that maybe I was misled, but I cannot say that they are not chemicals. I can't, but then I can't find anybody who can say that they are. So that is that's what I'm getting at. It's kind of like you become so so further discernment. You become so critical of everything that even the very evidence that you thought was disproving the mainstream stuff cast you have to be critical over. So unless, so I would say that through looking at it, I can't be convinced that they are spraying us chemicals. There's parts of it that make no sense to me, things about it that don't add up. And so I am also critical of that. Now, I can't say that they are not chemicals, but I cannot categorically say that they are. So why wouldn't make a video on Ken trails, you know, unless I was kind of pointing out the things that make me question it now. So yeah, how they sell them by catty up. I might have an example. And if it were talking about something like you talk about part of them to end specifically that one and there's been plenty of other ones of course. Maybe the initial reaction was that this is all a big gun grab attempt by the government. And while some of the end may have ended up with them tightening up some of the laws of change and so I don't actually believe that was necessarily the main aim of the whole thing. Or I believe that's probably was there was more than one intention by by hoaxing an event like that. The one with partner and seem to be about censorship on the Internet like UK said a lot of channels got taken down when they mentioned the when they made a video about a particular person. So I believe probably some of it was too. It wasn't so much that they're interested in changing the laws on guns because I don't think why I don't know how difficult that would be in the United States or America, but I probably think there was more than just that and that may not have been as important to them as they might have made people might originally have thought because people do tend to jump on a particular idea. Don't they mean in the conspiracy community where it's always gun grabbing it's always, you know, that kind of and even myself mentioning the mental health issue that's kind of a common theme as well that you can jump on. I do have one more example, although unless unless UK's got one that you want to bring up. I did watch. I uploaded onto my channel that Simon Shank 911 video and I'm going to have to go on to my page to remind myself what's actually called September Clues and someone recently and the most recent comment I think it's on there. It's called 911 Alchemy and it's it's it's almost like a. I don't know how to describe it. It's almost like a more detailed version. It's just I mean, it goes on for it. It's like twice the length of the September clues, but it goes into all sorts of detail. But part of it is actually discrediting the September clue stuff and that in itself it's quite what it's trying to get across and it's alternate take on what's happened on 911 is interesting to me, but the bit that I mean, I didn't have too much of a back and forth with this guy, but I was trying to get across that you see, I mean, it's the lazy part of me that comes back because I can't help it. But but like I know it sounds bad, but how much do you want to prove these things? I do not mean like you if you know it's not real or it's not true or you know, at least the official story isn't true. How far do you need to take that leads to something which at the minute it doesn't seem to be leading to anything. It's just ever bringing it back up and sort of saying, oh well, this might be the thing that's happened or this is what's actually happened, but we're not sure we can't prove it definitely, but this is you know, it still doesn't change the fact that it was it's a bullshit thing. Yeah, and I think what I'm getting at is that if you if you don't go back over the stuff that you used to believe in, it can affect the you know, the kind of way you look at things now. So it's interesting to go back and be not necessarily presented as anything, because if you're putting videos up stating something, there's lots of people and you know, I'm kind of guilty of it too, maybe in the past of looking at videos and saying, well, this is a truth though. And so, you know, they've got the same intention as me. And so I'm going to trust not not how heartily trust what they're saying, but it seems to be going against mainstream. This kind of brings true to me. So I think sometimes when you're presenting a video that tells of something, there are people that will use that and that's part of reason having a channel. They'll use what you produce to convince others of it. But if you don't reassess your own beliefs, whether it's over your own videos or things that you, you know, bought into or conspiracies that you believe in, if you don't go back over the evidence and reassess what it is that you believe yourself, then you can't, you know, correct what it is that you're telling other people. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. One thing the people that bring out these bring us these events do is, as well as obviously giving us the official narrative, they do also present us a sort of like an alternative version. Like the conspiracy as you say they will, they will give us the conspiracy version as well. One example I think is the UK bought up Madeline McCamp. Obviously we had the press given us a story that was a young girl, got kidnapped and everyone was searching for her except the parents of course. But then I think the alternative version that they gave us was perhaps the parents got, you know, might have been at fault and were actually scamming the public and the press. But then you think about it, how many kids go missing in this country and abroad? And for all the press to just stand on one case makes me wonder if the whole thing might have just actually been a fashion. Yeah, might have been put together by the press in the first place just to give people a story. And the same with we had Shannon Matthews go missing a couple of while within a month or so of that. And again, just a small council of state up wherever it was, she I feel do I think or. And again, the entire press world all to send on this one street for one child going missing when actually kids going missing all the time. Unfortunately, and people going missing all the time and it's never a big deal unless the press want it to be. So who knows what they pick those ones in particular to make a big fuss. Yeah, the only reason I think they would do that is because they've got a story already set up that they want to present. Probably along with a alternative narrative, which would probably be passed off as conspiracy theory, but is there to catch anyone that doesn't buy the original story? So it's like a fake event. So the whole thing is straighted rather than a child has gone missing and you know the conspiracy that the parents are up the whole thing is. Yeah, I'm open minded now as to what probably happened in the case of Madeline as to yeah, well, not only what might have happened, but whereas before I was out, definitely the parents were at fault. Say that any more because who knows what the actual thing was going on there. Interesting. There's probably a lot more to it than we we're even aware of now. And also like in light of how your mind changes towards general things in life day to day. I was just interested personally what's changed in your daily life in your personal lives, but you don't have to give like major detail. But generally so you know, because it changes you as a person as most people would know that you find some things less interesting and you, you know, you bail out of other things that you maybe used to have been interested in. So for instance, I don't know if either of you would be football fans or anything like that was their things in your life that have changed. You now no longer do because of the things you've learned. Since my recent job change and I no longer care about telling people about stuff, it's actually almost like part of my pitch now without giving any details away. I will say at the end of something, you know, open to any questions. I know lots of things about all sorts of things or for example at the start of the thing that I do where you introduce everybody to the room. Part of it is like hobbies and whatever. I say you know conspiracy theorist and it almost breaks the ice with some people. I don't think it has the same. It does on paper, you know, if you read it in the news, they will see that as a bad phrase, a bad thing to sort of be associated with. But I actually find at the minute, you know, touch wood, that people don't see it like the same way as they do. They're actually interested in what you do or don't believe in. So one guy for example, he said also you think 9.11 was inside job. I said yeah 100%. You know, and there's not this, there isn't like a mocking or anything. It's just it's almost like, wow, he's opening enough to say it. So it's now open. It's okay enough to talk about it. So there's probably a lot of people who want to talk about you don't because they don't want to be labeled or anything. Not because they're like heavy into it like on YouTube or anything, but at least think something's not quite right, but I don't want to go against the grain. But then once you've opened it up and you're sort of saying, well, there you go. You can say what you want. Then people I think are a bit more open to it. I've just decided you know what, but say to anybody and see what happens. What's the worst that can happen? So you're approached to fit, you know, to inform people has changed? Yeah, yeah, I've tried to include it in just every day, every day life. How about you, Bobby? Yeah, I would say no longer. I can't say don't follow sport at all, but I'm a lot less trusting event. I'm always looking for. While yeah, I'm always looking. If it's on some on television, I'm kind of always looking for the punchline and where they're going to come next with. What can be believed about a game as sport and event, for example? So it's changed my outlook on that. I'm no very suspect of magazines like FHM because I've noticed some some of the models aren't quite what they appear to be. You mean Photoshop, not that kind of thing? Yeah, a great good Photoshop. A lot of implants, fake areas. Yeah, questionable gender, if you get my drift. Yes, that's some of this changed. And maybe I'm probably a lot less trusting of the medical profession now. So I haven't been to the doctor for a long time. And I wouldn't ever take now, I wouldn't take vaccines or. I'm very reluctant to take a prescription or to see a doctor or a dentist or. Anything like that unless absolutely have to unless I've got problems which fortunately I don't so. As long as things keep go that way, I would say that would be I'm very distrust and never lot of things official things now. Yeah, because it can be quite damaging when you. I'm mistrusting so do you mean overall like the changes you've made? I guess like they is has it got a positive effect? Can it have a positive effect? Personally, I'm. Yeah, I think I mean, for example, I've known. I know someone now who who's. Parent knows just been diagnosed with some kind of very severe. Cancer and their boat turned to go an awful lot treatment. And I wonder if I mean it's a. I who knows what people would do until you're in that situation yourself. But I would like to think that I'd be a lot less trusting that just because I sit in a room and a doctor. Tells me that the only option for me is not to have chemo or radio therapy or some. Across the medication it's going to make me feel probably 10 times or so I already do. I would be a lot more. Open minded a lot and yeah be a lot more. Inquitive about other options. Yeah, and so you're. I'm thinking on the lines of. So you're attitude like generally in you know, if you can you can get to a point where you walk around and. Everything is deceitful and you know it can be quite heavy. You get to a point where because you realize everything is deceitful. It's actually quite freeing. Do you know what I mean? Have you got to that stage? Is that something that you feel? Well I'm liberated from. From. You know the stress is the worries of watching the news and hearing all the horrible stories and letting that stress me out. So yeah, I would go and I'm. How about you UK? I don't know what to say in comparison really. I just haven't got to that position yet. I am quite interested with if that came about what what I would do. What? Then I will say that for another time if it ever happens. What you mean the illness thing? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, do you feel like knowing stuff matrix or not? Do you feel like knowing stuff? Is more like a weight lifted or do you feel like it's a weight you carry around? I think for a few years I think for I think everybody tends my I think in my own head anyway that when you go through this cycle I think it's a bad thing to start with. Then after a bit if you can get you read around it and just think you know what that's not that what you can do about it. So you sort of got a fork in the road. You even let it drag you down and be very bitter about it. So you just sort of get on with it and make the best of it. I think as long as you go down that path instead not the one that makes you better. And yeah, I'd much rather now. Yeah, yeah, same. Yeah. And I have quite a big question to end my questions. And it's I actually would like to know how much weight you give to the actual elitist theory. So things like the illuminating free nations because you don't necessarily cover those on your channels and their big big talk you know everybody's on about them. And I've mentioned generally speaking when I've made videos that I don't necessarily put the same weight behind it is everybody else because I've done a lot more than I've put on my channel. I've done a huge amount of research on different orders throughout the years and throughout the ages. And I don't particularly put as much weight behind the illuminating free nations being before front of you know elitists conspiracy theories and so forth. But I'm interested in and I may produce videos on it at late date, but I'm interested in what you guys think whether you take on face value. The only information you get is from other conspiracy theorists and a lot of them do jump on the whole is the illuminati you know and that kind of thing. So have you have you gone away and thought about that yourself or is it something that you just not bothered about either way and so you just kind of you know you just think that it could be possible. What where do you stand on that whole thing? There's I mean there's the argument that because of how mad things are that it can't like it's almost as if there is no control to either. You don't mean that it's just so so much to have gone on how can it be controlled and I think that is true in one sense but then I think that there is this need of you know you can't just pin it on free mates. You can't just pin it on one thing I think there's lots of little groups that are all trying to control it as best as they possibly can. For argument segre if you if you were super rich you would immediately fear being poor or losing the power or whatever it might be and I think that's why you've got all these many little different groups so you've got like council of foreign relations and you've got all these other ones that are involved. And I think they are just little little little groups that all as a as a package yet I do think they are sort of running things but they're all involved in all these little things because they're all trying to keep tabs on what the hell is going on because I don't think they've got that full of a control. You know I think things like I'm going to use Bobby for example because he mentioned sport and sport does book me and people get really like wound up about sport to the point where you know the will protest and they will kick off. But the one thing they want to stop watching or stop going to something and I think if people had that same attitude with something else then we'd know who's truly running the show but in the minute I think they're all it's just like this man panic just to try and keep tabs on everything which is why you can't just say it's you know free mates it's not it's got to be more to it than that. I think I'm going to create a few levels there yeah and Bobby you don't get anywhere and you probably don't get anywhere unless you're a free Mason. And as in if you're I wanted to start making a go there as a I don't know in the police force or you want to become a judge or a solicitor or who knows start a business I was a successful business I think the only way you could become successful initially is to be a free Mason. But they obviously answer to a higher power didn't they and to say it's there's too much going on that it could be controlled just by one organization while that's probably true I I'm personally of the opinion that there is probably some sort of supernatural power that's although that may sound a bit insane I mean I wouldn't rule out the possibility because would we agree that free Mason's at the end of it are Satan worshipers. No, no, I agree. Okay, maybe not initially but I think or worst person of the buff a met does that come up well you probably know a lot more about free Mason's and I do to be honest with you about. No fairness I don't know I'm I'm sharing my opinion and just what I put up I mean there are so many orders to look at that I you literally if you spend all your time focusing on one I tend to look at like an overall pattern basically of how these things develop. And I also tend to think that although on the outside it looks very satanic I don't believe that ordinary people that join these groups and okay you could be referring to maybe the you know the very top end of you know the leadership line but I can't imagine that that wouldn't filter through become quite obvious to many people that join and I also don't think because the thing I've noticed is say you have orders going back you know sort of I don't know three and a thousand years ago right to the rose. Crucians for instance and that that re emerged again in like the 17th century I think it was and there are lots of I mean the aluminum and art he didn't show up until gosh. I remember 17 hundred yes 1700 so it's a tip of the iceberg really there's a whole foundation that lifted the current organizations that we know of that lifted them up to where they are now and yes money and power and all those kind of things and the world we live in the media available to them that's never been available before all the symbology that people dip into is only apparent to us because it's visible to us now whereas these are all just the hills you know symbols all that kind of stuff they've used secret size abuse that thing sold as time. And so as far as the satanic element of it is concerned I think that generally all of these groups throughout the ages all these orders are all misled I mean when you talk about if you're talking about satanic influence say in say in for instance is not does he cannot tell the truth okay so if you're if you believe in God and Satan you would know Satan cannot tell the truth so and that includes to the elite so that includes to anybody who thinks they're worshipping Satan they too are deceived every is deceived by Satan so they're not truly worshipping him because they don't truly know him because nobody can get the truth on him so on the outside to us when you compare it to say living well Christianity that kind of thing it would look maybe satanic and then you can see that it's a little bit more of a book maybe satanic and this and the bathroom it all those things their man made symbols the man made worship you can argue that I don't know when the Israelites side worship in the golden car for everyone was that you know that it be satanic because it's not. So I don't I don't think that all these groups are voluntarily satanic if you the other thing about Satan is they're very open about the fact that they are Satanists they they want to shout from each other think they're correct they think that Satan is the true God the God of light you know that's one you should be worshipping we've all Christians have got it wrong I don't necessarily think the you would keep it secret and because you know it's a long line of these things and a lot of these orders have a Christian or a religious essence to them where they were God is involved so I think yeah are they not mixing are they not mixing truth of lies though which in my opinion is a typical sort of sign of one of Satan's deception is that they do mix you know a good light is often has truth involved in it yes but if you're dealing with people in order that are themselves deceived into thinking that what they believe is true so yeah they may not themselves be aware of that we're speaking of course exactly so basically if you the more you buy into the whole illuminati this is just my opinion yeah you buy into free mason's illuminati thing which lot people do the more that you're you're playing into the whole kind of you're giving it power basically you're giving it energy you I mean I don't mean energy in the kind of you know in the new age way I mean you're literally you know pushing it forward and giving it credit and actually these have just grown men and women who are misled and deceived like the rest of us and there's a momentum behind it that maybe you were getting at Bobby about you know the times we live in and who's really behind it also yeah I don't I apart from maybe scanning over the subject looking deeply into the history of where these orders come from and there are hundreds of them today hundreds of them every country has one a one two three you know many of them in each country yeah scanning over it it's not a good thing but I wouldn't give credit to anyone particular group I don't think okay well just answering your point about the elite I mean the people we probably see as the elite for example our royal family I believe are probably just as much puppets to the system as well probably more so than we are I mean I mean quite often I wonder for example say you get you've got a hoax which involves a member of the public and perhaps you could say oh they were financially rewarded for it but then you take people like one of the princes or something who are incredibly wealthy as far as we know and you think well what hold must they have over them to make them want to take part in it mm-hmm yeah and I think there's the same that principle I mean I couldn't say there was someone at the peak of control because I think you say you say there's a lot of truth in what you say about people scrambling around just trying to make the best of everything um but yeah most anybody that's in control would never be anyone you would ever know if that was really the true sort of it you would not know their name you would not know any business there with sociators you certainly wouldn't be able to track them like you can the Rothschilds and the Rock of Damblers you wouldn't catch them on camera talking about their their plans you know that's a man talking through his arrogance yeah it's untouchable and I don't believe anybody who truly could control the world and all of these superpowers would ever be known to you and I so it's pointless even considering that we've suddenly got to the truth and we we know how everything works and it's the illuminati and all that kind of stuff because yeah I think that's just as old as the hills really and it doesn't really get any weight from me but it's interesting it's very interesting but it's an historical thing for me rather than a factory yeah current you know hey I may have to look into them a bit more but I would wonder if the Freemasons are not just them I mean I'm sure there's lots of other organizations are like the human face the friendly face of Satan to be honest that would be an opinion I probably would hold right and just you were saying Satan were supposed to often quite you know quite open about that I think I'm starting to wonder if a lot of the influencers who are out there so that reason what not they often pass themselves off as ACS where actually you look scratchers believe for surface and you find more to make it in Hollywood I think you do have to be a Satan West for but that's my opinion on that um yeah so some are more hidden than others we've got come first though the the general deception that we've all grown up in and over history and time and you delve into all sorts of subjects you can find a deception in everything that seats into society and and the people that are in places of power now are not immune to that so there are ideas of what you know how you know you go to a personal street they have no problem saying the G word and the J word as as cuss words right so it seeks into a general populace and it's and these actors are not immune from that so when they mock God or they make Satan signs and all this kind of stuff it's because it's just commonplace normal and it's been adopted by everybody and and yeah they may be encouraged into those positions because you know I don't know maybe somebody is trying to encourage that thing but I think it's that sense of no fear of Satan you know there's no fit it's mockery Satan something you laugh at it's not something you take seriously which is where which is you know a dangerous place to be in itself but of course he wants everybody to be there nobody has any position of power so nobody's being raised up as far as Satan's concerned to push his agenda he can do that where the truly only known okay okay okay anything to add nice about right I'm gonna start what you're saying yeah and so I've finished my questions are over and I'm happy now and if there's anything in particular that you guys want to talk about or anything you want to say well I would ask you guys a question have you got much coming up are we gonna see it and much more from you guys on YouTube God I can't remember when the last time I spoke to you guys but I don't know if you already know but I met up with Richard D Hall and I gave him all my stuff to do with Manchester and he's doing a tour in April where I think he's delivering a lot of it and so really I'm just waiting to see what happens with that that's about it great are you going on the talk are you gonna go watch hey I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the Manchester one yeah just see what well see see play out but um he said that once he's put it all together he's gonna show it me and say you know if I tell you give it a last final you know yeah or nay right because he did a really in-depth investigation to the McCanns isn't he yeah I mean I asked him I did I just after I was done watching his McCanns stuff because I think it's about 14 hours overall yeah the videos and I rang him up and said so you didn't do all that yourself did you and he was like no no no and he told me that there's a guy who lives not far away from the McCanns and he was sued by them because what he was doing he was handing out leaflets to people in the general area in that area and he ends up getting sued he's been I don't think of the word um he's effectively not allowed to talk about it in junction yeah that's the one some like and uh a hundred thousand pound fine he got for it so um so Richard holds gone to this guy's house and said you know what did you have and that's that's it's just said here you go I'm not allowed to talk about it but you can have it but obviously that comes with the risk that he gets the same punishment yeah and you and you you believe him when he tells you that um well in some watches that I can see the the effort went into all those videos I can see what he's trying to get up you know again it's a similar sort of thing do I but I just look at it so boring and black and white do I believe the parents no I don't and then every every thing else is like a theory that has that some have more legs than others you know some go further than others and um there's a lot of effort going into trying to explain that you know he thinks that she's died days before and all the rest of it um I'm I gonna personally go to that level because can I ever prove it or no I sort of already jumped to that conclusion I can't prove it so I'm not gonna invest my entire life to it yeah I remember watching yeah he did some yeah I remember he did something on do you remember the story about the Wolverine killer yeah that was quite good as well that happened that wasn't that far away from where I am actually uh where was that not all Bri um Oxford was it Oxford yeah yeah he ended up killing himself just there but he was a town just outside of it yeah okay so I remember well I mean maybe I was completely wrong but there was this blazing in the obvious thing that I thought I noticed when I saw the news stories and watch and whatnot but he didn't actually bring up and I was a bit confused about that and that was that most of the pictures of the kids appeared to be photoshopped but then maybe that was just me looking at with suspicious eyes and perhaps they weren't photoshopped at all but you know yeah I think that's what I mean like so when you have and I'm not I'm not saying this particularly too richards um but in generally speaking like when you you have somebody who says oh you know like I'm this guy he gave me all this information and now I've made these videos with all this information you then have to also be critical of that too don't you definitely because it's that I'm not saying like you say I'm not saying he personally is doing it but someone appears to that alternative narrative that is being pushed but then yeah I can't say anything other than he did really good work into that I don't want to sound like I'm criticizing or disbelieving of his work I'm not saying it's a wrong point yeah I'm ready to criticize like because that's the name of the game isn't it yeah oh my most recent thing I'm looking at is so after I made my tides video I knew yourself what we made a comment about how you didn't realize tides was a theory and had comment on that too yeah yeah yeah and I let me down a little bit of a research path on all the other things that we also don't realize are theories that and theories that are based on theories and how it escalates so I'm just generally ripping the science community apart um but yeah I mean it's true you cannot you cannot categorically say that something isn't true but in but the one little thing about science is that providing you can just prove that it is a definite then it is always a theory so it cannot you can't really wait for it at the top point of science it has to be repeatedly tested and the same results achieved to be able to declare a fact so that's what I'm looking at just sort of highlight maybe some subjects people didn't realize um even the science community will openly say it's theory but we'll use it like it is fact so yeah it was taught from what I remember it was taught in school as a fact on uh yeah like gravity is of course it is yeah I saw your follow up on satellites as well which is I made a video on communication satellites back when I was on my previous channel and remember it's the same subject I covered and yeah yeah it's fascinating yeah it's quite funny yeah right it just made me chuckle yeah it's hard and it's the perfect point where it just it is you just look at it it's just a bit like the uh in the Titanic you know the the the heart of the ocean just let it go and what was funny like because I mentioned it in the video like so they released one and then um I obviously cut the sound off the video and um because I was talking over it and when they went to release the second the woman over the voice thing giving them directions go lift it up a little bit lift it up push that one a bit higher that's gonna make any difference it's ridiculous yeah very funny okay so um unless there's anything else anyone wants to discuss our clothes I think uh well my next up think I'm going up I have finally got my livestream privileges back my last time I got one I managed to do a video I got 20 minutes into it and it got another strike so uh hopefully I'm not jinxing it by saying that but I'm planning on doing a livestream again soon which will always fun to do having like like live interaction with all five of my viewers never well you tell you what though I've never tried it and I have less subs than you so if I was to ever try it you say oh my five viewers I'd probably have one so like I already that's you know that's healthy that's okay I think if you look on where where my view has actually come from man seems to be all from towards Australia so if I didn't nobody watched because everybody had actually probably one of the one live streams I did with the most views work was done on a Sunday morning I think when uh which would have been a more sort of sociable time for people in that part of the world so yeah maybe that's something I should do yeah yeah okay guys well thank you for joining me thank you for answering my questions it's great pleasure appreciate that so thank you for everybody who's tuned in who's watching and take care of yourself god bless yeah catch up soon bye bye