The New JFK Show #262 Through The Looking Glass pt 1

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Okay. All right. All right. Welcome everyone to the new JFK show number 262. We're going to be reviewing the new Oliver Stone film through the looking glass. It's been basically 30 years since his last effort, which we really got a lot of hope out of. And but the second one, well, we'll be discussing. We're going to be claiming fair use all the way through. We're going to be criticizing it and critiquing critiquing critiquing. Ticking very Gary, let me let me point out the copyright law specifically allows you to use the object of your subjecting that to criticism. So the and let me also add, I'm very suspicious. Jim D. Eugenio may have played the same role in regulation Oliver Stone in producing JFK revisited that Robert Groten played in relation to JFK where Robert Groten didn't let Oliver know that Lee was in the doorway of the book to the repository at the time the motorcade passed by which man he not only could not have been the lone diamond gunman, but he could not have been one of the multiple shooters where we have now today identified a that he did not allow Oliver to know that there's a brutal film that been extensively edited. We know today there are more frames missing from the original that are present in the accident film, which has been massively edited and revised and Oliver only posited three hit teams, which is a giant advance, but we know as I've already mentioned that there actually turned out to have been eight shooters. So I believe Groten was deliberately raining in Oliver Stone and that Jim D. Eugenio who wrote the script was deliberately raining him in again playing a parallel role and I'm on 100% certain we're going to find proof internal to this documentary that D. Eugenio was keeping Oliver from revealing the most important development since he made JFK, which by the way was when I began doing research and the wake of JFK with David Manseq in late 1992 where David was first going to enter the National Archives and told me he thought he'd discover both evidence of a second shot to the head and that none of the X-ray autopsy X-rays were authentic. He found both. But I'm predicting that we're not going to find even that information, which has been around now for what 30 years we're not even going to find that in this Oliver Stone redo. So I'm rather shocked. But let's proceed. All right. Well, I'm I know for a fact that there's three places that you don't go in JFK number one is a Z film alteration. Lee in the doorway and anything to do with the foreign policy of JFK in the Middle East. So I'm going to be looking out there in the thing for those three things if we can get some information on that. So anything to add live before I play. No, no, I'm good. I just wanted to add to that that you're going to see some really good interviews, you know, especially with Dr. Manseq. But they spend a lot of way too much time on the single bullet C-399, like Jim just said and will just, you know, let's see how it goes. Let's see chips fall where they may. Let it flow. Let it flow. It's going to take a second to get going. Since it's about a two hour film, we'll do four or four segments. We'll do a half an hour. That's what the American University speech. That's how many times he says peace. Not 100. This time in place. Discuss a topic on which ignorance to offer the bounds. The truth to railing received. That is the most important topic on earth. What kind of a piece do I mean and what kind of a piece do we see? Not a packs Americana. Enforced on the world. My American victims of war. Not the peace of the grave. Or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace. The kind of peace that makes life an earth worth living. The kind that enables men and nation to grow and to hold. And they'll be a life for their children. Not nearly peace for Americans. A peace for all men and women. Not really peace in our time. Peace in all time. That straight sleep looked that it should have. And very often you'll find a zip of hidden in the yard. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Excuse the fact that I'm out of breath. But about 10 or 15 minutes ago, a tragic thing from all indications that this point has happened to the city of dollars. We're brought in our newsroom. Here's a piece of copy that was rushed to me and was torn off from the United Press. Presbycundity has been shot in dollars. Along with Governor Connolly of Texas, they've been taken to Parkland hospital there where their condition is as yet unknown. And just now we received reports here at Parkland that Governor Connolly was shot in the upper left chest. And the first out confirmed report say the president was hit in the head. That's an unconferred report that the president was hit in the head. Police began chasing an unknown gunman, a problem railroad track. Would you see if they need some coffee or something? These people are awfully shaken up. They were in the line of fire. The president's car was some 30 feet. We heard the first shot and then as the car got directly in front of us, we're going shot from top of the hill to hit the president inside the temple. The God's name is the man here. Just a moment, God. It was just work from the hospital. It's a suspect call for a thorough search. What we can do now is pray for him and it's about all we can do. The president's wife, Jackie Kennedy, was not heard. She walked into the hospital. A priest has been ordered emergency supplies of blood also being rushed to the hospital. Just a moment. Just a moment. We have a full thing coming in without switching directly to the person hospital. It's a little like those directors still have to. Two priests who were with the president, Kennedy, say he is dead. Just two priests in the hospital. It's not in the scene, is it? Replash, apparently official. President Kennedy died at 1 p.m. Central Standard Time. Some 38 minutes ago. I just can't see why anybody would want to shoot Mr. Kennedy while the things he's done for us. And try to keep us from getting into war or anything. It's a simple matter, time of a bump right through the head. The president is still in the state 35. From the bomb, they still have a full school of that family. The president is in the hospital. Got a man there. I'm not going to let that work. Police made a systematic search of the dude. They found no weapon. We just got the word. Lyndon V. Johnson has been sworn in as the president of the United States. Just prior to a takeoff, to return to Washington. Behind the casket, this Mrs. Jackaline Kennedy, they are helping her down. No, no president. I'm not V. Johnson. We have suffered a chaos that cannot be weighed. At Bethesda Naval Hospital, the Oatopsy team is completed. Now, the body of the slave resident and his witness are at last brought home to the White House. Who in the fact would do something like this? We think they're coming, this part, but... Probably some segregation is a crack pot or something. Just they had it all planned out. I really believe that his blood will be on their hands. All over the catchers of the deserve the worst. All over the suspect, we roll it. He's giving me a hearing without leaving a representation or anything. You should have said that. I didn't shoot anybody. I am practically denied these charges. This is 24-year-old Lee H. Oswald. He answers the description of a young man cited that they booked the positive toward building. Police chased Oswald and go movie-fans. Police said he fired at killing the Roman JD-chipit. A rifle was found in a building where he worked. Lee's refused to say whether they have any fingerprints from that weapon and yet. The man obviously was an excellent shot or very lucky in that witnesses said three shots were fired. At least two of them found their marks. At the Capitol Rotunda, there will be three short speeches before the public is allowed to start viewing the body. Do you have any concern for the safety of your prisoner? No, but because necessary, causes will be taken of course. If any doubt, you're my chief at Oswald or the man who killed the man. This is the man who killed the person. I'm just a shot of me, isn't it? So great is the crush outside the Capitol. But people who have not been in line can't possibly. We are now switching to dollars where they are about to move Lee Oswald and where they're going. Lee, a RV of Oswald, the man who Dallas Police say killed President Kennedy himself is dead. The man Dallas Police seized at the scene and are holding has been identified as Jack Ruby. He is being held by the Dallas Police now back to Washington. 53 countries are represented in all today. There are a dozen numbers ruling royal families, 30 foreign ministers. You all right in the few months ahead? I'm sure. The entire citizenry, the nation, will stand faithfully behind the government. This bizarre sequence of double killing raised great questions who actually fired the shots that killed Kennedy. Was there a conspiracy? The first wound described was a wound in the back of the head and seemed to indicate a shot from behind. But the doctors also said there was a wound in the throat at the front which seemed to indicate a shot from the other direction. The new president, Lyndon Johnson, invited a commission of seven prominent Americans to investigate the whole of faith. Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States. Richard B. Russell, Senator and George, John Sherman Cooper, Senator from Kentucky. AO Bonds, Representative from Louisiana. Gerald R. Ford, Representative from Michigan. John Jay Mcloi, Presidential Advisor. Alan W. Adoles, next head to the CIA. Are you convinced that he was shot from the School of Public Health? Well, I think we better leave all that, you know what I have to tell you. He has to report with cover all of that. Warren Commission had it, just as close as we fleet resources, FBI, the Secret Service, the CIA, the only direction to the commission was to find the truth. My own conviction is that we found it. The Warren Commission makes these major findings. Lee Harvey Osborne, the designated president of Kennedy. He did it alone. He was not a part of any conspiracy either domestic or far. Some other details will be of interest mainly to historians and others having some special interests. But there was one further piece of evidence, I don't think public. Cannot see. Abraham's a brutal film of the actual assassinating. This murder now is the most thoroughly documented crime in American history. And for those who care to pursue it down to the last detail, it's all there. Gary, let me ask, posit momentarily. Yeah, definitely need to poke. Let me ask, what do we have 15 minutes of this video of this documentary? 15 minutes? That's right. About that. About 15 minutes and all of it, all of it is 60 years old. I mean, this is just insulting. What a waste. This is all filler. Everyone knows everything here. The one interesting piece was when the reporter was saying, well, there was wound in the back of the head, but he was actually talking about a blowout caused by Malcolm Kildep talking about an entry at the right time. Well, so we admitted there was a wound to the throat from in front. And he tried to misdescribe what Malcolm Kildep had identified as an entry to the right temple, also fired from in front. Why suggesting that it was a wound to the back of the head when he's talking about the exit Larry, this is bad. This is just a waste of time. I can't believe we're being insulted by 15 minutes of Pamela from all of her stoned. All right. So as we mentioned that they could have showed the wink between the senator and Jett LBJ. I'll tell him this, Congressman. Yeah. Right. And they also could have mentioned that the casket was empty and that's also 20, 30 years old or more. And also when Ruby, as we know better, they could have shown the man throwing the bag over the head of the supposed Ruby shooting. So there's a bunch of stuff that we could have had as not new to us, but as far as the rest of the world had been brand new to them. All right. So yes, yes, yes. To make you feel better, we're only 10 minutes in, Dr. Fedser. Well, still, that's all a waste. 10 minutes wasted. I mean, unbelievable. If you look at my video of JFK 10 minutes of my video, you know, overwhelmingly more about the assassination than this 10 minutes of Pamela from all of her stoned. This is embarrassing. This is bad. All right. Now real quick, right there, we've talked about before and I want to do a show before too long. That's a Tarterian building right there. Here we go. To this day remains a crime scene. In the years since the Warren report, many significant reinvestigations were made into the murder of President Kennedy. Each one revealed new facts and evidence that shed more light on what really happened here that day. Starting in 1975, after the Watergate scandal, Senator Frank Church conducted an investigation into the abuses and crimes of the FBI and CIA. During that time, the public learned of the CIA plots to assassinate foreign leaders, like Patrice Lemumba of the Republic of Congo and Fidel Castro of Cuba. Plots orchestrated under Director Alan Dulles. But the Church Committee didn't stop there. Senators Richard Schweiker and Gary Hart were tasked to reexamine the roles of the CIA and FBI as the chief investigators for the Warren Fish and look for signs of conflicts or cover-ups. Faith in what the American public was told by the Warren Commission was starting to unravel. The search for real answers gained momentum. Then, 12 years after the assassination, the most iconic piece of evidence was leaked and finally shown to the public. The film shot by the Dallas Press manufacturer Abraham Zapruda, the execution of President Kennedy and Bob and Hickory Bufiz narrate what we're seeing as we shows better. Now, before he goes behind the sign, the president is waving to the crowd. When he comes out from behind the sign, he is shot. Then Governor Connolly is shot. He's already been hit. He's already been hit. And now at the bottom of the screen, the head shot. That's the shot that blew up his head. That's the most upsetting thing I've ever seen. We'll talk about that in a minute. Seeing the shock and brutality of the actual assassination caused a public outcome. The government formed the House Select Committee on Assassinations, the HSCA. The HSCA re-interviewed witnesses and took new testimonies that exposed massive inconsistencies with the original warner. As any other scientist to date, linked the so-called Christine Bullock to the injuries, not that I'm aware of. But at the end of that investigation, what the HSCA learned was considered too damaging to be made public and close to a half million records would remain sealed until 2020. The fact that we made clear at the conclusion to our 1991 film, JFK. The media controversy that accompanied the film forced Congress to do something about the secrecy that still surrounded these classified files. Herings were held on Capitol Hill. Most Americans did not believe or support the verdict of the Warren Commission initially, and now more than three and four, according to all recent Sampleans of Public Opinion, think some conspiracy was involved. Then in 1992, the John F. Kennedy Records Collection Act was passed. Total report to title. Senate 36 and Act to provide for the expeditious disclosure of records relevant to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. This act provided funding and form the assassination records of import, the ARRP. The public wasn't going to have to wait until 2029. Declassification was to begin now. The board was given a budget and timeline of four years to declassify and make public as many documents and records as possible. They managed to collect over two million pages of declassified records and artifacts. They're all housed at the National Archives in Maryland. And since then, the public has been freed of you, study and investigate. And there's now so much more that we know. And with those facts in hand, we will go back and piece together what really happened that day and discover the reasons why. Let's begin. All right, see you. Okay. Jim, you are muted. Thank you. Yeah, that makes me feel like. Yeah. Listen, I met Frank Church when I was an undergraduate at Princeton. He came and spoke to the Web Cleo Society, which was a political debates society. It had to be like 1961. But I shook his hand and he was a fine man. And I have no doubt he was taken out that he was murdered because of his revelations from the Church committee that he was one of the few who was willing to do something serious about it. And other lives I just want to invite Larry. I mean, they should have begun with Oliver in the Pagola area. I think that would have been fine. And it's meant with that first 10 minutes of cloth that was totally unnecessary. And now let's see what we find here. Larry, your thoughts? Yeah, I want to say that absolutely that the two heroes that emerged here are definitely Schweiker and we'll see a little bit later Richard Spray because Richard Spray went out, you know, went to the HSEA as lead counsel, trying to find out the truth. And he said, and he was very plain about it. He said, I'm going to subpoena all the agencies and I'm going to find out. I'm going to, you know, nobody's off limits here. And that's why they, you know, got him out of there. In fact, one of his first actions was to send Kenneth Bruton and this black man Jonathan Blackmer to Mexico City to talk to the tarot softs who were the Russian translators and in the process, he was told that he couldn't send anybody there to talk to ex some other ex agents or whatever. And he said, okay, okay, okay, we're going to abide by that. And he did everything to the contrary. He went straight for the blackmer's, you know, the black, I mean, I'm sorry, the tarot softs. And the tarot soft said, hey, you know, that's not Leo's wallet in tapes. You know, we could talk here and waste all our time, you know, for days, weeks or whatever, but we're never going to be able to verify Leo's wallet, speaking broken Russian, you know, and supposed phone calls to the Russian embassy, you know, trying to sprain out the visa thing, you know. So those two guys pay attention because they're very important people, you know, in this documentary by Roger Stone, I mean, and you can confirm my suspicion, Larry, because you've seen the whole thing, which I have not that they never get into all the evidence that shows that the whole visit to Mexico City by Leo's wallet was a fabrication that among the CIA assets in Mexico were three count of not one, not two, but three presidents of Mexico. Yeah, yeah, who had total control over everything that the CIA did and its interaction with the Mexican witnesses. They're obviously a Soviet Iran at the top of the list, but many others were involved as well. Something else it could okay, okay, Gary, go ahead, we'll resume now. Yeah, something else that could have been revealed is the X in the street, that is actually further down the long location. Yeah, very good, very good, absolutely right. And for those who don't know, you just witnessed the birth of Robert Groden in this whole Quisit saga. The JFK case was such a mass of confusion, for example, the Warren commission was limited to only three shots because three shells were found on the sixth floor of the School of Depository. On that wall, we found the three empty shells that is inspired, but they had characteristics on them so that all the listed experts was able to prove that they were fired for this gun. Any other party thing? I know, they said they could all three of the president and we have the FBI concluded that all three bullets struck inside the car. He's the ship for the first and the third. In fact, the shot is the governor. These third shots had a large part of the president's head all off. The Warren commission put itself in a straight jacket. They could not possibly allow more than three shots because four shots or more would have clearly indicated conspiracy and they were not going there. Standing down into the end of the press, the curve was very visible. Mark, where bullets had struck. In a fragment of bullets crashed my face. Records showed the first shot had missed its target completely and the final shot hit Kennedy in the head. So how does one account for one bullet hitting two victims and doing all this damage? All inspector was a Yale Law School graduate working in the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office when he was asked to serve on the Warren commission. Uh-huh. What if one bullet made all seven wounds? Arlene's Spectre? He is the one that gave birth to a single bullet theory. What if one bullet went into Kennedy's back and came out his neck and then went into Kennedy's back, piercing the lung, destroying four inches of the right fifth grip, exiting from the front of his chest, going into the back of the wrist, shattering the distal under radius and a six foot four guy like Connelly, that's a big heavy bone, common duty fracture. Exist from the front of the wrist goes into his left thigh. Whatever you want, whatever you need, this bullet happily and readily oblige as you. It is indeed a magic bullet. CE 399 was the magic bullet and all government investigations so far have treated that bullet as absolutely foundational to this case. How important is Jane and custody in illegal proceeding? Jane and custody basically refers to the integrity of evidence. If you're gonna stop it from it, it's an eye transfer to someone. Okay, this is Brian and he's a part of the Project JFK group with Casey Quinlan and David Knight whom we interviewed here regarding that frontal shot. I remember the AR-5 which had belonged to Curtis Lemay and which David researched and investigated that the frontal shot which was between three and five millimeters of aperture, aperture there. The only by process of elimination he had arrived at the only weapon that would have done that was that AR-5 and he demonstrated how easy it was to take a part of a mount-a-scope on it. Even silencers and everything and the muscle velocity and everything was supersonic and everything so Brian who you're seeing right now is part of that group and he's gonna talk about it a little bit about the actually it was information that we published you know in the JFK horsemen which came from Jamie I mean any joys regarding the rings on the backyard man photo but as you will see for some reason he did not take it any further like we did regarding the Roscoe white identification as backyard man so keep an eye on this. Go ahead. Ed Larry as you have recently reminded me about 10 years ago I published about how secret service agent Sam Kenny who had declared that his testimony not be revealed until after his death. He had discovered the bullet on the maxi of the car and take it in and put on the stretcher which I surmise was a bullet fired from the top of the county records building by Harry Weatherford. Weatherford yeah using a 30-odd six to implant a man looker carcano bullet using a samba a small plastic collar that only entered about two inch as far as a second knuckle on your little finger would easily have worked its way out well Jack was lying there on the back seat. Kenny instructed that it not be revealed that he had done this until after his death and where I even interviewed his neighbor who served it. Larry I mean this is stuff that would be devastating to the magic bullet theory because there was nothing magic about it it was ignored and it was ignored by Oliver Stone and it was ignored by Oliver Stone because deuginio and I'm that's his voice is it not deuginio is you know playing the same role as Robert Broden in raining it in a limited hangout we're seeing minimal advance if any advance I mean you know you and I and Gary and every other serious student has known everything presented here for 30 years I mean there's nothing new here whatsoever yet. No and you and you and that article you carefully verified the bonafides of this individual you know I forget his name but I remember that was a very important piece that you did on on veterans today because it completely changed the prominence you know of the magic bullet. And yet here we still have Sarah Weck for the hundredth time maybe the thousand doing a thing about the magic bullet David addressing the magic bullet is fine but David is on so much more important work that goes for me. Yeah overkill absolutely. This is a waste of his talent here. Yeah. Please go on now Gary. Yeah we'll continue with JFK. I'm happy for Brian don't you know get me I'm happy for Brian you know I know Brian you know we're good friends and everything and but they should have let him you know continue and elaborate as far as you know the backyard man identity you know. There you get it there you get it deuginio is cutting off every significant avenue of progress and actually reveals what was going on he cut it off. Yeah yeah all right here we go. The else for holding or processing my name is the first name on this list the second person such as this and takes possession of it is next and if you don't do that there's no way to prove that the evidence you collected on day one is the same one you get on day 25 when you go to court. Can you walk us through the magic bullets chain of custody from the parkland employee we lost the audio Gary. No no no no let it it's a couple of minutes here where there's uh but it'll it'll pick up. You try to run to handle it and he carried it back to Washington DC. When you got back to Washington DC he gave it to the chief of the secret service who was James Roli and at the White House James Roli gave it to Elmer Lee Todd and Todd then took it to the FBI lab and gave it to Robert Frazier. We have interesting information produced by John Hunt a private citizen who went to the archives on four five occasions to track down the story about the magic bullet and what he found was truly astounding. Practically moved into the National Archives in Washington DC they allowed him to set up a desk with a computer and his own scanner and he also did something different he didn't interview policemen and and FBI people and he wasn't swayed by their excuses he went straight to this is what you told and you signed your name. Working with the FBI and Warren commission documents John Hunt asked the most basic question was CE-399 in evidence the same bullet that was found on the stretcher. At 730 this is the day of the assassination of Ever 22nd 1963 a bullet appears in the record and it's signed for by Robert Frazier who is the main investigator at the FBI lab and it's not just one document there are multiple documents that indicate that Frazier signed for a bullet at 730 that night. Now here's where things get interesting Elmer Lee Todd received the bullet at the White House from Chief of the Secret Service James Rowey and Todd documents very clearly in writing that he got this bullet at 850 pm how is that possible how can Robert Frazier receive the bullet in the lab at 730 from Elmer Lee Todd when Todd didn't get the bullet until 850 you would think that they would have handled it you know like it would have been gold going to the bank there it is in the record someone is lying about when they got the bullet. Because Horstowe Todd initialed that bullet the one that he got at 850 and everyone else who touched the bullet after that initial of the two including Robert Frazier I went to the archives to look at this bullet and specifically what we want to know is do we see Todd's initials on this bullet he said he initialed the bullet it is not there Todd's initials are not on the magic bullet. I was very interested in finding out what the review board would show us about this so we began scouring their evidence. this truth and we touched the bullet after that initiales the two Robbert Frazier I went to the archives to look at this bullet and specifically what we want to know is do we see Todd's initials on this bullet he said he initialed the bullet it is not there Todd's initials are not on the magic bullet. I was very interested in finding out what the review board would show us about this. So we began scouring their evidence and we found out something very interesting. We found out that the Warren report had from the FBI reports saying that the guys that found the bullet later identified that as the bullet they'd seen, 302 reports, his name appears nowhere in the record. This is just something that the FBI invented. It's conceivable that some mysterious bullet showed up from who knows where, did not initial it and it ended up in the FBI lab as the magic bullet. One could only surmise that somewhere in the FBI, they realized they had to close the loop on Oswald's guilt and so they just switched it out. Because none of the four people, either the guys at Parkland or the Fusey Conservatives agents could identify the bullet, the guy who was supposed to have gotten confirmation that they did identify the bullet, said he never did it and the record supports that. So there's good reason to be very suspicious about the magic bullet. The channel of custody doesn't starfriend the laboratory and starfriend the crime scene. Each piece of evidence should be photographed, document and preserve properly. Friendless scene, evidence collected, sent to the laboratory, we have to keep the channel of custody when they enter the lab, who exam, who did the Fuzzar Analysis on each step have to maintain and tear, submit to the court. If this can't broke, then my evidence become invisible. The other problem is the lack of damage to the bullet after going through two men smashing two bones and making seven wounds. Dr. Joseph Dullchain was much honored battlefield surgeon during World War II. He worked for the Warren Commission. And so they gave us the original rifle, the Manlaker Carcano, plus 100 bullets, six, four and five millimeters. And we went and we shot the cadabra wrist and in every instance, the front or the tip of the bullet was smashed. Under no circumstances do I feel that this bullet could hit the wrist and it should not be the front. Dullchain came to believe that two bullets had struck Conley. Since all inspector pre-screened the medical witnesses for the commission, Dullchain's name is not in the Warren report and his testimony is not in the volumes. And even Conley refused to accept the single bullet theory. Former senator John Sherman Cooper is the first member of the Warren Commission to agree to talk on television about what went on inside the deliberations. Yes, there were disagreements. I think it was serious about one of the one for comes to many conclusions. Typically, of course, question whether or not it works out. Went through President Kennedy and then to Governor Conley. Although it never specified the order of the shots, the Warren report had one bullet going through Kennedy and Governor Conley. Another missing the car, hitting a bystander on Commerce Street, James Tay, and the final shot from getting Kennedy in the hand. I could not convince myself that the same bullet was that all wrong. You mean that you yourself didn't want to convince about the single bullet theory which I need for certain roughness? Senator Richard Russell of Georgia did not want to serve on the commission. After he attended the first meeting, he quickly became disenchanted with the proceedings, particularly the roles of Jay Agahoevver and acting Attorney General Nicholas Katsimbop. His personal papers at the University of Georgia Library contain a memo written after the initial December 5, 1963 executive session. Something strange is happening. Warren and Katsimbop know all about... When you pause it there... You're planning to show up. All right. Katsimbop, they just mentioned him. You know, right past LBJ. Yeah, right there. I know you saw him. He was a young guy. He's the one who came out with that document on the 24th to the FBI that they had to convince the public that Lee Oswald was the lone assassin. Correct him. Yeah, absolutely 100%. Yes, yes, yes. The Katsimbop member random, which included in assassination science in 1998. And he just ate everything at this point. His absolute routine and pedestrian, the idea of the new member Conway and Gary Aghular, this documentary from Oliver Stone is an insult. They're both fly weights. Neither of them have a thing to contribute. David Mantig and Henry Lee, of course, are completely appropriate, but they're not using either of them in the most effective way. Right, right, right. And we're going to see Douglas Horn in a minute also. I mean, I don't know how long we're going to go here, but it should be half an hour. But what's your time there, Gary? Oh, 25 minutes. 25. Yeah, we've gone 25. So we got five more minutes. Okay, no problem. The call this, the call this disappointing is to put it mildly. This is a waste of time. Let's go ahead, Gary. All right. Okay, so we got Gary Aghular's contribution. And what was it? We have real reason to be suspicious of the Magic Bullet. There you go. Oh, how we know. As well as the only one considered, this to me is an untenable position. His papers revealed that he wrote a dissenting opinion for the presentation at the final commission meeting. On that day, he shared his concerns with President Johnson. Well, what does it make? What's better got coming? Well, it don't make much difference. The thing is that the committee will as information believe and change for it, and it's getting to hit God. Well, I don't believe it. And of course, the fellow Margaret Napi can't either write a bank on one shot, and I'll be there at all. Next one is on the left, there ain't not only best to hold on, but he missed his dream. Well, man, a good enough shot to put the bullet right in the candy. He didn't miss that over on the wheel. So I couldn't find it. And I let it come dead by direct to the country. And I'm not going to prove it. He also thought that Oswald did not act alone. Russell was strongly influenced by the subruda film and by the testimony of Governor Conley. I understand there's some question in the minds of the experts about whether or not we could both have been hit for the same bullet, and that was the first bullet. I just don't have to believe that. I don't believe it. And I will believe it. This forced the other commissioners to include Connelly's descent in the report. And as a result, they could not absolutely deny the possibility of a conspiracy. So, Ray Marcus. That's what became the first commissioner to criticize the Warren report in public. He was followed by commission members, John Sherman Cooper, and Hal Balms. But then, Walter Cronkite interviewed John McCloy during a four-night special co-hosted by Jan Rath. Are you satisfied that as much effort was put into challenging that case was into establishing it? I'll answer that just a moment. If I may just say one thing, I would show I'd like to say in the first place, I had some questions to the propriety of my appearing here as a former member of the commission to comment on the evidence of the commission. McCloy never answered Cronkite's questions. But even worse, CBS employee Roger Feynman later discovered internal documents showing McCloy consulted extensively on a series through his daughter, Ellen. An administrative assistant to CBS president Richard Salant. In 1992, reporter Jerry Palkoff confronted Salant and Ellen McCoy with the documents with your voice instructions for the content of the show. Only then did Salant admit to their concealment. It will be ordered by our own. We see, and the New York Times, continue to support the commission's finding. They all knew it. They've reviewed the 26 volumes of supplemental evidence. Let me put some of the criticisms to you. Some of the papers and some of the documents that are in the archives are there, but are with them. The organization with which you have some experience is there anything in those which you... Now when they may drop that apple card? No, I don't think so. No, I think everything that really is vital in so far as forming a judgment as to what really happened has been made available. The Warren commission was on a joke. It was long with the evidence. All kinds of ballistic test shows that the bullets in fact are not right. You just picked it up and what are you? You're a home friend and a friend or all over the school. What's the positive already? You have been misinformed. The ballistic test did not prove anything at all. This is a weapon that we use. Our other well-worn military rifle. We know that Oswald had possession of that rifle because we haven't photographed with it and we have his wife saying that it was, quote, faithful right, me Oswald. Is the rifle in evidence today the same rifle the commission said Oswald ordered through the mail? The rifle that Leo Oswald ordered under an alias with Alex Hydel came through Klein's sporting goods store in Chicago was a mail order. He got it out of American Rife in the magazine. He wrote on the coupon. He wanted a 36 inch model, man with your car, it was 6.5 millimeter for $19.95. Robert Frazier was one of the examiners. He was a firearms expert for the FBI and he testified that he did measure it and the measurement was 40.2 inches in length and barrel stock. There's a 4.2 inch difference in the one he ordered versus what they found in the book depository. Klein's may have indeed delivered a different man liquor carcano model to Oswald but there are other anomalies to this story. The model that Oswald ordered showed these strap attachment points on the bottom of the barrel. This is it, no. And the photograph is Lieutenant Carl Day with the Dallas Police Department. The emperor, no. The father of the book depository, one of the straps at the back of the gun is on the left side of the stock embedded in the stock. That's clearly not the rifle that was ordered or at least appears in the Klein's sporting goods store. The straps shown in the so-called backyard photos are on the bottom and not on the side of the stock. Marina Oswald took backyard photographs of Lee Oswald holding a rifle and a pistol on his hip and in that first photograph that she took three of, Commission exhibit 133A 33B. Show a ring on the ring finger of the light hand. 133C, the ring appears on the left hand. Stop, you'll stop it. You'll stop it. All right, Larry. No. OK. Oscar White Drum, drum roll. Where did this information first come out? On our show with Joyce. Amy. Amy, yep. Amy Joyce. The thing about the rings. You got any comments on this gym? Yeah, we don't know. Well, it's the whole thing is embarrassing. This is so shoddy. It's poorly scripted. It's poorly written. It's poorly edited. It has no new information. Even the best of their best is old dues, where you know, all of her made a fateful decision when he went with Jim D. Genio. And of course, we know the, do you, Genio a few years ago that this bizarre hit piece in Kennedy's and King re-attack me over all of my research, whether it was about JFK 9-11, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, even the Holocaust, where he knows nothing about almost any of it, which I thought was outrageous. And you know, it took, of course, seven hours for me to do with you guys, a point-by-point reputation. Oh, yeah. The evidence, which illustrates how easy it can be to lie. And how complicated it can be to explain away a lie. But where it occurred to me at the time, there had to be a reason for him doing this. And across my mind that D. O'Geneal was trying to discredit me in the eyes of all of her stones, so that he wouldn't come to me and you and David and those who've collaborated with me, but instead would stick with Jim D. Genio. It was a propaganda move, disinformation. I don't believe there's a single true criticism that G.O. Genio makes and you and Gary were with me for that whole seven-hour reputation. That was about five years ago, Genio. I know, C. He had to discredit us. Really, it wasn't just me, Larry, but you and Gary. And really, you know, he brings in David, but not for any of the significant stuff about the X-rays being altered, patched, to conceal the blow out to the back of the head, nor in other cases, the more serious work. This is a totally superficial job on the backyard photographs, Larry. Now, this thing here on the rings, and let's, you know, establish, you know, what needs to be established, which is that we published this in the Jeff G. Horseman in 2018, and we did a show with Amy Joyce on this also, who was the person, and that's not her real name. You know, it's a pseudonym. And she's the one who discovered it and brought it to our attention. We just, you know, took a couple of steps further and published it, you know, back in 2018. So this is like, well, you just stop the screen share because we've done over a half an hour now. Yeah. Yeah, you can put it on here. You've got to work that once. Yeah, just go back. Right. Here we go. Here we go. My assessment is this is this is dribble and that deoginia was not qualified to do this. And that all of her stone made a faithful decision allowing himself to be played by a mediocrity. And the result is mediocre. What else would we expect from a deoginia? I mean, I was disappointing. Larry, I find this embarrassing. Was disappointing. The fact that they didn't let Brian, you know, proceed to the next level, you know, on what was discovered on the backyard man photos, which is that it was Roscoe White, who not only produced them, edited them, made them, but also stood in for Leozwell. And then he did the Matt insert, you know, on the on the face. Larry, five minutes of you on the backyard photographs is worth more than the whole 30 minutes plus we watch this film. Absolutely 100 percent. And I draw the following comparison. This is like when they did the mock trial of Leozwell, they wouldn't let you. I was just going to mention that. I was just going to mention that it's happening all over again. D. U. T. No, it's not going to let you testify here. It's not going to let me participate. He's going to bring in fly weights like Deborah Conway and Gary Aguilar, who by the way is a buddy of Tink Tons and who like Robert Grown and Cis. This is a prudertilm is 100 percent outstanding. I mean, give me a break. This is this is bar Sville. Gary. At the beginning of the show, our zone stated, we know so much more today than we did then. Well, I'm waiting for it. That's for sure. Right. None of it's there. You can find it in order. They're actually holding it back. They're actually holding it back. Right. They're deliberately holding it back. D. U. D. Neow is a little Dutch boy putting his fingers in all the holes in the dike so that D. M does and burst. This is this is embarrassingly bad. Embed- And I tell the audience, like if you want to get a contrast, go to my Mitchute channel Jim Fetzer. Scroll down to 18 November and see my JFK special dedicated Oliver Stone. We knew his new film will be out on the 22nd. So I wanted to do this before his new film came out and compare in contrast. I invite you compare in contrast because I drew upon the work of Larry Rivera, the more important work of David Bandhake, a host of other experts, including of course Doug Horn, who are featured there. And I took what good Josiah Thompson contributed in his first book, his second in Dallas about the double hit theory, which he surprised, surprised, has subsequently disavowed. So the most important objective and scientific part of his book is one that Tink Thompson who now wants to try to discredit conspiracy theories is eager to disavow. I mean, this is just shameful. And if Oliver Stone really were serious about it, he would have taken a different tack. This is just a waste of time, money, and effort. And here do you, Gini, go on. Just this is from a book he wrote forever ago that is not current. He doesn't understand this science. He never did. This is a sad to say is a work of disinformation because it's a limited hangout that does not prove it. You know, Oliver Stone correctly observed this. Gary's noting that we know a whole lot more, but you're not going to find it in JFK revisited. That's becoming entirely obvious. Go far. We'll have to find out next week. We'll take on another wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on, give me the host for a minute. I need to screenshot something. So go to participants. And we're going to look. Should we let Larry be the host? I think so. Why not? Yeah. Okay. Just to give our audience an idea of how dated this information is, I'm going to go ahead and show you guys what we did on this sub backyard photo. And this is my post of February 22nd, 2017 actually. In 2017. 2017. Yeah, yeah, right. And we did all the, I mean, overlays and everything. And I mean, and then we actually published this in my book. And even the thing about the rings, okay, which all this information came from Amy. And here it is, clearly, the situation with the rings, you know, where we did the close-ups. Okay. And then before that, we did the Roscoe right white overlays. Can you see this? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Which was an outgrowth of that because the study required us to go ahead and try to do overlays to see how Leozwald would fare against backyard man. And, you know, and all the other information that came out regarding Roscoe, regarding all of his abilities with photographic equipment. And Matt inserts, which his own family said that, you know, he was in the habit of doing this with all kinds of photos of the family and and his relatives. Yeah, yeah. You know, we're wondering, you know, where he had learned how to do that. And his work at Jagger's Child Stovall, you know, the place with the microdots where he actually worked with Lee. Like, all right. Before he went to New Orleans, all right. And so, and all this, just they just ignored it, Jim, you know, what the hell's going on here? It's terrible. It's a disgrace. It's a great loss. All of her stone discredited himself to you. Genio abused his role here. It's all just disgusting, being unbelievable. If he went into the ring thing, why didn't he go into the Roscoe angle here? You know, which was obvious, you know, and he didn't. I think it's because he would have had to tap into you, Larry, or be guilty of blagerism. You're plagiarized. Amy, it appears. But the fact is, once he taps into you, then the authenticity of the superior film is out of window because of all your work you've done on the four horsemen. I think it was too risky. It was just too risky. He was having to keep the genie in the bottle and not let it out. And it's just that it's disgrace. That's something new that we didn't know back then. I mean, scrawny, I mean Lee, in comparison, Genio and all of her stone, you know, what a waste. What a waste. When you do the comparison and you got scrawny Lee, you know, in the body of backyard man photo, it just doesn't, doesn't work out. Anyway, I'll go ahead and let you guys wrap it up. Yeah, yeah. Well, this is our opening. This is the first 30 minutes of a two hour film. So we'll be back next week. And I suspect the outcome has been very, very similar. So I invite once again, check out, compare the real deal JFK special, which I dedicated Oliver Stone on my Michute channel Jim Fetzer scrolled down to 18 November, check it out and compare with what we're getting from Oliver Stone with his vast resources. And Jim, do you, Genio, as his principal researcher investigator? This is just embarrassing beyond words. Gary, take us out. All right. Yeah, I'm still looking for Z film. And also, also, Jim, when we touch upon Doug was horn, it seems to me it appears, and I might be wrong, that he wants to give more information, but they're sort of like raining him in, you know, and we'll see. I'm sure they had they edited out the best parts of any of it, snuck through and got into their camera and to their cinema, you know, we'll see. Me and the time to sell you Lloyd. Yeah, okay. Okay. Yeah, Christmas, everybody. Merry Christmas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, from us. Hey, Gary, Gary, play for at least not me that a couple of riffs right there for us. Okay. Give me a second. I gotta go out my car. DG and A7. You got it. Yeah, just gotta find my guitar. It's around here. Go, you know, DG and A7. Yeah, well, that is not police Navida. Well, there is a G in there. All right, here we go. Let me get my mic set up there. I'm in an open tune in. Sorry, I can't play it, but I'll play it on my lecture. All right. All right. So, at least not be that. I'm gonna be loud. There's the G. I mean, D. E minus 7. E minus 7. Now, when it goes to the chorus for least Navida, then it's a G. Please. Okay, G. How old are you? Yeah. You want to wish. Larry wants to sing along with you. Oh, Merry Christmas from the bottom of our heart. There we go. All right. Why are you singing in plugged in? Merry Christmas, everyone. Merry Christmas. We'll be back with installment number two next week. All right. All right. Yeah, Jim. Go ahead, Gary. Take us out. I'm sorry. I thought we already doing that. I thought I took you out with my SG Gibson. But, hi, this has been JFK number 262. And we'll see you next week. And I think we'll have a show before the years out. We'll be looking forward to it. Thanks, Gary. Thanks, Larry. See you. So, I said, Jim. Yeah, you're still recording, Gary. Oh, that's right. I gotta stop. Yeah.