JIM FETZER The Real Deal Ole Dammegard and Dr. Katherine Horton.. Electronic Harassment Hour 2

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This is Jim Fetzer continuing my conversation with Dr. Catherine Horton and with only Dommagard about a whole host of issues today. Only I thought that was a magnificent overview, absolutely perfect, passionate, articulate, spot on, spot on. That, Catherine, I know you want to say a few words about only this position here, but I thought he was just masterful. I want him to continue. I want him to continue. I just want to interject just very short sentences. Number one, Europe is interesting also for the Americans to look at because we have little experimental pools. We can't go from one country to the next like people in the US can go from one state to the other because they are language boundaries. So you know, if you live somewhere in Europe, you can drive two hours in one direction and suddenly the food is different, the language is different and people are different and you just suddenly have difficulties even renting a flat. So through that we have been put into little paddocks like little ponies and separate paddocks like cows, you know, and we can all run our own experiments. And it's very interesting to me, first of all, because I love Scandinavia. I love most of Europe, but Scandinavia was beautiful because the people are so nice. And especially we spend a lot of time in Sweden and the people are extremely welcoming. I knew that they have recovered from very hard financial times and in, you know, through parts of the 20th century, the Swedish were extremely poor. They had extreme poverty. So through their solidarity, they climbed out of it and we experienced Sweden as extremely social. And I can see that this is precisely what these globalists are exploiting. I can also see that in every country, the way the globalists have and this organized crime cuts, or have warmed themselves to the top, it's always exploiting the special characteristics of the country, you know. And I think with the Swedes, it was their well-comingness, their solidarity and that's going, they, you know, the globalists take some good characteristics, then overstretch them and use them to kill you, I think, pretty much, you know. I have to say I also found it really funny to hear a Danish person say to the Swedes that they have no spine. No, but it's not funny at all. And I don't want to be rude, but I really, it's like a nation that needs to kick in the butt because they are being, it's awful what's going on in Sweden now. It's, I'm so suffering in my heart when I see what's happening to this beautiful nation. And the book I wrote about the assassination of the Swedish Prime Minister, all the parliament, the title is Kuditar in slow motion because that is what happened. There wasn't an overtake, a power overtake, not democratic, not through a brutal slaughter if it happened, that went in slow motion so that nobody would really understand what happened. That's boom, and then slowly, slowly, slowly. And now the nation, like, I go there, I'm like, what is going on? And so I was born in Denmark, grew up in Sweden. But in Denmark, I recently received, there's this woman who said that she wrote this poem, beautiful poem about how she lost her nation the last 10 years. The country that was there is no longer. And this is what we see again and again. And so I think it's, if you are a leader of nation and you care about your people, you care about your country, then there would be a certain logic to your actions. I think that is fair to say. So I ask you, if a leader of the country, for no apparent reason, opens up the borders. If they do for no apparent reason, that they do a lot more for immigrants, than for the elderly, than for the schools, than for the daycare center, than for hospitals, and so on. I ask you, why is that done? Is it because they don't get it, or they don't, they care more about immigrants than their own inhabitants? Or is it there to get the emotions going? If you let people in with other religions, I mean, I am a foreign and foreign country as well. I mean, I'm welcomed here in another country, so I'm very grateful to be here. And I try to treat everything around me with respect. So when, and freedom, I mean for everyone, as long as you follow the heart and don't hurt anyone else, go for it, that's what I say. But when you see, when people of Muslim faith come to a country like Sweden, okay, then, and you feel that the more you let in, there's more and more tension building up. Then if you were the leader of a country, I would say, and you care about peace and the welfare of your nation, you would say, let's see if we can calm this down and see if we can build bridges, make people understand each other better, get better, on better, then there's room enough for us. No, so what is, what it's, instead, what is happening is that, for instance, in, I think it's in Vic here, a city in the south of Sweden, they, the local church, we're not allowed to use the church bell on Sundays. This is, as far as I know, that is correct. Because it was annoying, people thought it's annoying, it's too loud. Instead, they let the Muslim community build a mosque, and now they just allow for these prayer... Call us prayer, oh, yeah. Like, so what are we looking at? Are we looking at some, some leaders, because I'm not blaming the immigrants at all, at all, I'm saying who is the one designing this? Who are the ones making these rules? Who are the ones making the decisions that opens up for this? Another illustration only here in the United States, Christian churches are taking on the crosses because they're offensive to Muslims. I mean, what kind of dedication is that to your own faith? And of course, Angela Merkel in Germany said that we need to give up national sovereignty, get rid of borders, and for the sake of the new world order, and disregard the preferences of our own citizens. She said, disregard the preferences and desires of our own citizens for the sake of this greater good, which is really globalism in its most extreme form. I cannot believe that the reason that be trail of the German people of their chancellor, just outrageous. But this is what we see. This is what we see in nation, by nation, by nation. And so how is that possible? The same agenda and different nations? How is that? It's called a new world order. It's called a gender 21, a gender 30. It's through the Bilderberg group. I mean, look at these individuals. Is Angela Merkel? Does she comes forward as a very loving, caring person? I think not. It's like what is going on? It's for us to wake up and see my God, let's stop the madness. These individuals are not to be trusted. They are traders. They are traders and super criminals. So what is going on? And Sweden now, who's going to be the next, who's going to be the next prime minister? I know it's Anilirv. She's the builder burger. She's the trilateral commission. I've said that for the last three, four years. It's Anilirv. It's not sort of like a big mystery. No, you can't say that. So they told you rape the elections. I mean, on lie TV, there was this party. I'm not interested in politics at all because it's like organized crime group. Anyway, so, but anyway, on live TV, the numbers for a party that nobody wants to deal with, but all the people I know in Sweden, every single one I spoke for voted for that one. So it went from, I think it was 27 percent. And then on live TV, suddenly there was a blackout on the screen during the election. And suddenly it came back at 17. I mean, what? And nobody is reacting. I'm like, wait, beat me up. There's not a lot of Americans, the arrogance of the deep state once again. Yeah, look at you. Look at your nation, Jim, where we're pushed. I mean, they just told you rig the second election, at least. I mean, and they all did so they could play around and do whatever they want. Now, so who are they going to do that? 2000 was rigged to get Bush and Cheney and to bring us 9-11. That was a necessity. They even had to, Jim Bush is a governor in Florida, where it made all the difference. And actually the 2016 was rigged, but it was rigged for Hillary. It was the outlying counties in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin that had suffered a lot of casualties from the Middle East wars who voted for Trump, not with any certainty, but in the belief he was the less likely of the two candidates to continue the wars. And only now are we seeing signs of him following through on his promise to the people by bringing the troops out of Syria, and even he's talking about Afghanistan, but it's meeting fierce resistance. The Democratic Party, only which has been opposed to war historically for its entire duration is now opposed to getting us out at the Middle East. I mean, it's just a complete role reversal. And their proposal to allow unrestricted immigration. I mean, they're failing to draw the distinction between legal immigration, which is just fine and illegal immigration. Just as others are ignoring the difference between legal guns and illegal guns. It's not legal, considered the problem. It's illegal, it's not legal immigration. It's a problem. It's illegal immigration. And this seems to be the Western hemisphere analog to the mass migration into Europe where Muslims are being used to destroy Christianity. Here we have this influx from Central American. It was all organized and can try. 2888 miles, they claimed they were transporting them in huge trucks. I have video of these big flatbed trucks bringing, you know, 152, 100 immigrants on each truck forward. You can't set off on a large march with like that without food supplies. You're going to starve in the way. What are you going to do for toiletries? Who's going to provide the toilet paper, for example? Who's going to provide the diapers? We have one stage to vent of a woman very carpulent big gut with two children at the border where they claimed it was tear gas going on. It was actually a smoke grenade. But she was supposed to be representing these poor people. But she doesn't look, you know, she is so overweight. She is so, you know, and the babies, what are you going to do? Where are you going to get the number of diapers you would need for a 2,888? I mean, they might need a thousand diapers. She was carrying the diapers. This something was a complete farce, completely staged in Reagan. George Sauros once again had his fingers on the trucks. The trucks only had the star of David on them. It was that light, that arrogant. But you know, sorry, Kevin. You know, here in Europe, I managed to track those. There was all of these photos from the borders a year ago where everybody was like, oh my god, they're here in the thousands. Okay, so there was these photo shoots from the French border and there was these photo shoots from the German border. There was these photo shoots from the Belgian border. So I thought that is really interesting because they're fast moving here. So I managed to identify some of the same people at the three different borders. And I tell you, we're talking photo ops. We're talking siops and photo shoots. The same people, the same people at three different borders. The same crisis actors only. I was in the north of Greece many years ago. And I had to stay there for some reason for three days. And at the time, I didn't know, but there was this big rally. There was Papandreo. I think he was the sitting prime minister. And there was Mitsu Taki, the challenger. And so it was just before the election. And so I was staying in Salonique. I just had to wait there. And so I had nothing to do. So I was just walking around for three days. And I started seeing all of these buses coming with thousands of people coming in from Bulgaria, which is just across the border. And I mean, I saw them get off the bus and they were giving these posters and all of them with Papandreo. And I was like, I know the difference between Bulgarian and Greek, the language. They didn't even understand what was on the posters. And then in the night, I got photos of it. I'm in the middle of a million people. I've never seen that many people in a town square. I mean, the whole city center, it was packed of mostly, I think, Bulgarians that was there supporting Papandreo. No, they were there because they were dead poor on the other side of the border. And they were being paid to get on the buses, go there, free lunch, say, we're up on the day and then go back home and get like $10 or whatever. That was a lot of money for them. It is a style. It is a style. And this is what we're seeing here again. Okay. I've got a couple of insider, you know, a piece of information. Some eyewitness, some things that I just know from the region I'm from. So first of all, I can entirely back up what you said about protesters and so on being imported from other parts. There's a historic precedent of this. And this was the overthrow of the staged overthrow of the Romanian dictator, Charles Cheskov. It was a big protest. And just before he was executed, he was due to hold the big speech. And then during his speech, suddenly the entire crowd started booing and whistling. And then they staged how they all thought, oh my goodness, the crowds about to get him. They whisked him off into a helicopter and then the next day he was executed. It was very quick done by MI6 and the CIA. You know, good job. But one of the things that they did together with the Romanian Secret Services is import minors from really the arson and the back of beyond of Romania. These people could barely read and write. And they were imported and they came up on the day on trains and they were funneled into the square and they were told when to start whistling. This is already well known. So this is what interlations have done for a very, very, very long time. You know, so it's nothing new. Now, fast forwarding to the German immigration, which started like mass immigration waves, started in September, I think September 2015. Now in 2013 to 15, I lived in Munich. And because I was already targeted by the time I moved to Munich, Intel arranged it such that the flat that I would get in the end turned out to be, I think, a kilometer and a half from the headquarters of German Intel called Bundesnachrichtendienst. So as I lived in that flat and I was at the time trying to launch a startup and I was just working in the local community. I watched how these gangstokers have been trained. I watched children, really children, you know, ages between eight to 12 being trained to be gangstokers by German Intel. And in one day, so I used to have in that at the time, I used to have the habit of going on a one hour bike ride. And I used to cycle down, actually pass the BND building and then down into beautiful forest and come back up along the shores of the ESA, the river going through. Looking back, I now realize I probably went past a massive underground station, which was the death star of Germany, the Bundesnachrichtendienst, but above ground it's beautiful. And on my cycle ride, I always used to have these gangstokers. And because I did the same tour after a year, I figured out where the gangstoking post would typically be and I figured out what density and one day when, oh, I also before I could, I could always tell when the BND was training up their Chinese infiltrators because suddenly on one day, you know, all my gangstokers would be mostly Chinese. I used to call it Asia weeks at the Bundesnachrichtendienst. But anyway, so at some point, and that was in May of maybe April, March, May, so spring, 2017, suddenly all my gangstokers turned black and Middle Eastern. And Munich, so where the Bundesnachrichtendienst is, it's a very Aryan German area, okay? Aryan, Aryan. You know, most houses have little Latin slogans, you know, which then turn out to be some military slogan or something. So it's that type of people and there were no black people, not one, not one by mistake, typically. And suddenly, it's the whole areas full of black people. So these people were also exactly at the gangstoking posts. So I figured out, oh, already six months before I even heard about this mass immigration in Germany opening its borders, I knew that something was going to happen that the BND was preparing for, which involved a lot of black people and people of Middle Eastern looks. So in other words, already six months before German intel was training up their infiltrators and those people would become handlers. Right? So the entire thing is intel staged. So German intel prepared these immigration waves, and then when this whole thing started in 2015, I had my family visiting and I took them back to the central train station and that's exactly where these immigrant waves were arriving. And it was very, very creepy because at some point, as we were standing on the platform waiting for our train, a train load of supposed immigrants arrived. And the doors opened and ours came, you know, a lot of people and they just kept pouring out. And my entire family just, you know, watched the scene and then we all looked at each other and we said these were not immigrants. And my mother said, yeah, look at the shoes. So the shoes that they were wearing were these, you know, kind of canvas shoes where you just walk down to the end of the street and they fall apart. So no way do people go anywhere in those. So these people were rounded up somewhere very close by and just, you know, poured out for these scenes. And as soon as they were done, they would bugger off back to their flats, you know. So this whole thing is just nonsense. Well, the barge said all the worlds of stage, it's become literally political theater internationally. I mean, again and again and again, it's just funny. No connection to reality. All fabricated. Everything is fake. And as only suggests, the true is the false. The good is the evil. It's or well into the extreme. Well, you know, the other things also it is true that there's a huge amount of immigration, but it's actually away from these very, you know, these publicized places because the central train station of Munich was filmed and everything that they, you know, had there was staged. But then in other parts of Germany, people keep reporting that these buses are arriving and they are just new immigrants being offloaded and these buses come one every hour. And they have been coming one every hour for weeks and months and months on end. So how many people do they offload into every region? So this is where this is this is nothing to do with cultural diversity. This has to do with population replacement. They're bringing in a whole lot of black migrants who don't have the same customs traditions. Don't know the language. Have no interest in doing so. They're going to replace the native population. And in fact, they tend to reproduce in a more rapid rate. This is analogous to coming having a guest state your guest room for a weekend versus move into your house and take it over. That's actually what's going on here. And Angla Murko seemed to me to have been a key player in promoting this NWO agenda to her eternal disgracing damn major. Well, you know that because you know in the past every single conspiracy theory conspiracy theory turned out to be the truth. So the newest conspiracy theory that we have actually parts of it already, I think, pretty well validated. But you know, the first conspiracy theory was of course, and this is something I couldn't explain at school at all. I couldn't explain to myself that school how Hitler, who was an unemployed painter type, came in from Austria with supposed to be no connections and then the entire German aristocracy let him rise to the very top. And just say, hey, you know what bleed us. Now this is anywhere impossible because the German aristocracy was very rich, very powerful, very well connected. And this whole story doesn't make any sense what the hell server. So the question is who the hell was Hitler. And one of the stories I heard was that he was the illegitimate child connected to the Rothschilds. And suddenly the story makes total sense because they have an illegitimate, illegitimate son. They can pull him in, they can put him on a world stage. And the entire German aristocracy cannot object or else their credit line will be cut by the people who own all the banks. And suddenly you can have the sort of leader. So there's that. But now the newest story is that actually Angela Merkel in turn might be related to that bloodline. Yeah, yeah, I was about to say I have a good friend with excellent intel connection who tells me Angela Merkel is actually Hitler's daughter. Yeah, exactly. So then what we have is this kind of these family dynasties. In other words, we have these mafia families who are then running the show. And if you took her face and shape and sort of size her down, she has a similar bone structure. She looks very much like a very, very much. Would you agree, Oli? Yeah, and also there's when you look at the so-called elite, there's there's a lot of sexual things going on in these families with mistresses and out of marriage relationships and accepted on many on a whole different level than we know the normal people are sort of accustomed to. And so quite a few children are being born outside marriages. And for instance, a girl, Harlem, Bruntland, who is the former prime minister of Norway, who is also a builder, who is also way up there, who's also involved in the massacre on the Uttar, if I'm correct. And she's the child on Willy Brunt, a very top West German politician who is also a spy. And so like when you the more you get into these areas and you see how they interact in the Swedish prime minister in his home, or upon this home, and Alan Dollars used to come and have them on goreting. It's like what? It's like this, it just ties together, there's this tiny little Brunt, so-called elite, they call themselves the elite, I've got other not so nice names for them. But it's like it's a small little, it's a small little Brunt. And when you look at it, for instance, in the States, you see photos of Hillary and Bill smiling with the Rothschilds, with you got Trump and you got Obama and Michael, all of these people together and all the bushes, and you think, oh, well, they seem to know each other. And then you go back and you see, well, they seem to know, they knew each other like 20 years ago as well. It's sort of like a theater group and you see, okay, now it's your turn. And then you have to stand back, you'll get your chance in another five years, go eat some ice cream, behave in the meantime. Or we can use you as a bad boy over there, maybe, okay, we do that and we create some chaos over there so we can bring in the good guy here. And then it's a theater. And we're suckers for buying it because it's the same thing over and over and over again. And we're like, oh, what is going to happen? What is going to happen? The same thing is going to happen if we don't do something about it. Catherine. You know, in 2019, gentlemen, I would propose that now we spend all this time uncovering these things and now we should talk about what to help to do about it. Yes. So that 2019 will not be the same thing. By the way, this over and over is exactly what the word revolution means. The revolution is one cycling, you know, and it's this kind of image of the snake eating its own tail. That's the revolution. You know, that's the illuminati term for taking turns. That's the revolution. You know, so I think there are excellent starter points and excellent examples of what people have decided to do about it. And number one is, for example, this explains a lot. So this is the, this is a plot made by the Swiss propaganda research institute here. And they have mapped the entire American media empire. So in this diagram, we recognize the three or two of the, sorry, yeah, we mentioned two of the three steering arms here already because all are mentioned the builder burger meetings and the trilateral commission. And these people mapped how many people in media are connected to the builder burgers, the trilateral commission or even the council on foreign relations. And suddenly we can see why all of these the financial times, you know, every item of news media here, another, you know, YouTube and corporates. And why they are all doing exactly the same, you know, it's easy when it's the very same people at the top. And then when you go to the German media landscape. And it's exactly the same, right, just that the council on relation to an proxy, which is called the Atlantic bridge. But it's the very same people, you know, so I think, you know, when, when all is said, we are dealing with pure evil. The way I call it is that we are dealing with network evil. Okay, that's why it's so powerful. These people are networked. And in terms of systems analysis networks are some of the most powerful things, you know, pyramid organizations and networks. So I would say if you want to counter this, we have to uncover their networks and we need to form our own, you know, and then the people have to vote. Are they going with, you know, the Mason slash Nazi slash globalists? Are they going with those people who are recapturing the systems and building new systems? Well, you're talking about literal communication networks, but that represent a web of evil. So it's a very powerful combination only. I think what you just show, I love these types of evidence. I mean, when it's so easy to see it's so easy, you get an overview instant overview. And you can say, no, no, I don't believe that. And then you can look here. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love it. I love it. This is the type of information that can make a difference. It takes thousands of hours of investigation to find out these things. But once it's there, there's not a lot of arguing going on. I mean, this is how I try to do with all of these false flags that I really try to go so meticulously into detail. So that once it's presented, it's like, that's it. And I think that is why very, I don't think I've ever been challenged sort of verbally in any interview anywhere because it's game over because it's not what I'm saying. It is the proof is there just like these. I mean, of course, you have to double check and triple check these type of so called evidence as well. But in my opinion, I haven't looked into that one. But that is hardcore, fantastic, fantastic. Well, you know, we have this fantastic situation in the United States for the communication media, which has been infiltrated by the CIA since the 1950s is just turned on the president president with unbelievable savagery because he's outing them. He's exposing the fake news media. No one in our history has ever called the media out as has Donald Trump. And really, if he'd done nothing else, he would be a great benefactor to the American people. He's of course trying to control immigration. And here you have the Democrats who in the past, every one of their leaders has spoken for us, Lee, and articulately about the importance of controlling illegal immigration. Talked about fences and other barriers. I'm talking Nancy, Salosi. I'm talking Hillary Clinton. I'm talking Chuck Shermer. I mean, you name it. They've given us speech about it. And what the Donald ought to be doing is running those speeches over and over and over to show the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party, who as I mentioned before, they're opposing his pulling out of Syria and Afghanistan. I mean, this is insane, but it represents the culmination of the deep state in the extent to which it's completely taken over a once very important independent Democratic Party. It's absolutely shameless. So a lot of us are hoping that the stories we're hearing about unsealed indictments and all that about draining this lump have some substance to them. But the strongest indication I've seen as so far as an aerial photograph of Guantanamo that shows that the base has been overhauled refurbished and expanded. And that would be for some notable purpose. Then we have other more anecdotal stories like the messages given out to the bushes and the Clintons at the funeral service for George Herbert Walker Bush and rumors that actually he was tried and executed and didn't die. And then he was a very despicable man who not only oversaw the Bay of Pigs invasion, but was one of the coordinators of the JFK assassination and untold other mouthies throughout his life. Terrible. I mean, the Reagan shooting really was a message to Ronnie to let George do it. And from the point of time that he was shot and it appears to have been under the arm while he's being pushed into the vehicle by a secret service agent using a full. That barely missed Reagan's heart. He got the message and he let George do it. But I mean, this the Clinton and Bush crime families have been horrendous and they corrupted the Democratic Party, which is now defined totally in terms of its opposition to Donald Trump. There is no more substance to the Democratic Party than collective hatred for Donald Trump who's trying trying to clean up the mess. I mean, my take. You know, I just want to I want us to be super super careful with these things because I have to say until I see the body until I am actually I, you know, they live broadcast a war crimes tribunal trial, I will not believe for one second that this isn't a sonic double blow. And George Herbert Walker Bush is next really alive. It was another fake funeral. Exactly. And there's a very well documented case for this because if people go to the to Wikipedia and look up the Nuremberg trials on Wikipedia, I can I can prove a lot of the things and once fell soup of what we were talking about. I'm sorry, I'm going to show some images that might be shocking. You actually think that real, but they're not. Close your eyes. This is safe. This is safe. It is for family viewing. Okay, so don't freak out. So these are the Nuremberg trials. Okay, that we were led to the leaf by the Masonic crime cartel that they were real, but they were not. They were a hoax and a total fraud, very much like most of the second world war and most honest people were tricked whereby, you know, big war criminals got off scot free and got richer and happier than they ever were before. Now, under executions at the Nuremberg trial, we're told that Herman Gurring shot him, not sure they didn't shoot himself. I always confuse that he poisoned himself the night before the execution. Now, this is nonsense. Okay, if you are an actual proper custody, there's it's impossible to poison yourself because there's nowhere to get this stuff. So this is nonsense. Okay. Now, if we look at the image of Herman Gurring, apparently dead, which he's not. So don't freak out, guys. You're not, you know, going to see the image of a corpse. You're going to see the image of a war criminal who is totally fine and who's about to escape to Latin America. So this is Herman Gurring. Okay. And if you look carefully, one of the things that you will see immediately as odd is that one eye is open, the other one is closed. Now, if you have a dead person, it's not that hard to, you know, close his eye. But what he's showing is the symbol of the all-seeing eye. So most Hollywood actors who are now in the Mason Center, the Illuminati will cover up one eye and have these one-eyed images taken off themselves. Now, that is the symbol of the all-seeing eye that you will find on the one dollar bill. It's a crime cartel symbol. The second one in case you think this is pure coincidence is the fact that one of his hands is stuffed with his sleeve into his shirt. That's the Masonic symbol of the hidden hand. This is what was displayed, for example, by Napoleon, by Karl Marx and a bunch of other people and George Washington as well. They were all Mason. So in other words, Herman Gurring here is a Mason. He's alive and well and he's signaling to his other Masonic buddies. Don't you worry, guys. The Masonists have won again. We fooled them all. This is just a joke. He's having a private joke, right? He's playing dead and he's about to be ferried out through the Jesuit networks of Latin America. So this was all nonsense. So now I ask you, are we going to believe straight away that George Bush and this other guy who died, you know, keep forgetting his name, you know, recently, that they are dead. Are they dead? Or are they on Lolita Island having a happy retirement? Lolita Island. You know, I interviewed the CIA whistleblower chiptates many times. One of the things is chip can fly anything. I mean, he can fly. He can fly. Get off the radar. He can do all kinds of weird stuff in all kinds of planes. He's a fascinating guy. I like him, holy. Yes, so do I. I can see that. A very straight shooter about, you know, all the secret stuff that covert ops and so forth. He's talking about straight on. But one of the things he said to me was that he flew many times, many times he flew prisoners into prisons in an arc and the centuries, especially the ones in near Springfield, Missouri, where he said the famous doctors were doing things to them, preparing them for as paties or assassins or whatever he did. But also he said he flew a lot of people in and out of the US. I think many times to Canada where many of them, he said he was like, what are you still alive? I mean, I thought you were dead. He never mentioned names, but I mean, it was like, hello, Elvis, hello, Jim Morrison, hello. I mean, all kinds of individuals, he flew in and out that he thought were dead. He comes, but he it was not up to him to ask questions. He was there to fly the plane and had he started asking questions. He wouldn't be flying anymore. Exactly. So it wasn't in his interest to find out, but he just said, you know, that there's a lot of people we believe are there. He's here's open and it's mouth shut. Yeah, then you got what the FBI do with a witness protection program when you identities, the CIA come up when you identities for breakfast every day, you know, that you're too, too, too, too, too, how many do you need? There's all of these now video effect programs where you can create new, I mean, fantastic, perfect photos of individuals that have existed. That's right. That's right. That's right. There's new technique. Yes, yes, yes. It's on real. So what to believe nowadays and yes, yes, yes, it's a it's a confusing time when you can't trust. What I'm saying. So what I'm getting with. Go ahead. I think my end. So I didn't mean to interrupt. I think. You know, one of the things I'm wondering because I'm dealing with real. So I I'm dealing with a real Holocaust and real Holocaust victims. And yes, we do want to know back to point. Oh, also because and that's not because I'm particularly blood thirsty, but I am a systems analyst and the problem is that these psychopaths, they are networked. And if you just, you know, take them apart and block them up for four years, they're going to regroup and they're going to perpetrate the very same genocide and go back to the very same networks. So if we really want to change the world, we have to wake up to the fact that we need to break up these networks once and for all, you know, because they have been running there that these family bloodlines, these mafia families and entire networks of people we don't even know about. What I'm really saying is we do have a parallel society here, you know, and they are all network. I believe they are all very strictly organized into intel agencies and intel agency like organizations and the Mason, which I actually pretty much the same thing. And we have one part of society that kind of, you know, goes to university, then gets a job and raises a family and then kind of like, you know, stays flat and stays in their community. And we've got the parallel society where people migrate up to levels and take control of more people under them, you know, and that's the second part of society. Now, I already have circumstantial evidence for this happening, for example, in the starsy days, every six person was organized in starsy and was an informant, every six person. So if you think of your local community and you just count one, two, three, four, five, six and your neighborhood, the six person would be a slave. Now, one of the things I urge people to consider is just how little money these starsy had compared to what we have these days when the banks are freely printing whatever. So the question is how big is, for example, Vatican intel these days, would they have one in six people, would they have maybe slightly more one in five perhaps, you know, and that's what I mean by parallel society, these people have their own income streams, you know, they have their own higher. I mean, it's too much more contain much smaller population, I think in the United States, it's done differently. I mean, they have so infiltrated the media, every newspaper, every TV station, it's over has a CIA representative who's managing the news. I mean, this includes editorial page editors and the like, I take their dominance of the media so complete, they don't need as many human resources as we're necessary in his Germany at the time. So it's it's it's also done with technology now nowadays. And the thing is what what is important to understand is also you just need to control key people in key positions. Like I remember I made music for TV for Sweden, it's a national one of the biggest channels there. So I and sometimes I was with a friend who was in the graphic office doing graphics for the news. So it was really interesting for me because I was trying to learn as much as possible just because I'm interested. And I overheard sometimes when they were like they had these really early meetings when they were deciding what is the news for today, what are what are we going to go for, what is the big story, what and so on. And there were a few times when I was in the neighborhood type of thing when there were some bigger things coming in and there were according to my friend, there were instead of the normal stuff, there was like this person well dressed who's just there and not saying anything, but more or less like or directing exactly do you know like no, not that one, you know, but very discrete so that most people didn't know but my friend just because you know I'm interested in this not that he believes in what I'm doing, but he mentioned that it was very strange because there was when this person appeared, it was not the same person every time, but it's just like there was like a slight little discrete guiding go that way. That roller and it's in Sweden it's called the psychological defense of the nation and there they were they were part of the investigation of the alleged assassination of the sweet prime minister and the the sinking of MS Estonia where almost a thousand people were killed, a ferry boat that was blown up to pieces, they were part of the investigation as well. So key people and their task is to direct the attention of the nation in whatever direction is best for national security, I ask you national security, what does that mean? These are psi op experts. There you go and it's like it's not the security of the nation is security of these bad boys who are doing the deep state security that's not the nation as it's ordinarily understood. Well you know in terms one of the things I was studying is because when you are controlling that big an empire like the globalists are you need to have your own communication channel. It's like controlling a big corporation because actually that's what it is it's a massive corporation, you know according to canon law, you know a huge ancient corporation that we're dealing with in my view. You have to have some sort of communication and this is what they developed the secret language for so most you know I always say most gangsters have their gangster talk you know secret codes and signs that they can communicate with. Now that's exactly the same in this crime cartel and this globalist cartel and they are already with the swimmers who say that they have a dictionary of 3000 to 4000 words that have second meanings. So, I also have symbology you know science have symbology we all know the all the all-seeing eye the obelisk the pentagram that there are many many more and when they are speaking if this is the ultimate double speak. Now when they are saying national I believe they are referring to the nation made up of free masons of these Masonic families this parallel society which is goes back to Vatican intel. You know the secret parallel society that this alongside of us but they have their own institutions their own law even their own hierarchies and their society looks nothing like ours but it's the organization is actually universal it's the same in every country you know critical. But it's Masonic security instead of nation that's so interesting. The way I was trying to so when I first started to investigate this I'm always trying to get my head around the system and if you look if you just think in terms of systems what you can say right now is that we have this sort of big globalist network right so a lot of people seem to be coordinated. Now when you have a network of that size it's pretty clear that it's very very old it needed to have you know a lot of time to grow to the size. Now what you can also say is these people seem to be running everything pretty much across the world okay so how did they get to this dominant position globally and how dominant they are globally also indicates how all their systems are they have to be at it for very very long time. So I thought okay whoever has dominance now has the monopoly if you like they needed to have the monopoly already 200 and 300 years ago because they are just so dominant now so which candidates would have enough dominance enough global reached 200 and 300 years ago well it's the church right the church it was everywhere the church. The Catholic Church. There's anyone royal family or royal domain because the exactly the Catholic church because it was also the Catholic church remember you know the Portuguese and the Spanish who were cockering Latin America and so on. And they are also taking the Catholic church now what can happen if the church has a lot of problems. They had church ground. They were also taking confessions and they knew everyone's. That's a good one. Exactly and it's actually a crucial one it's a crucial one actually and the other thing is that the church gets 9% of your pre-turnings 9% it's already deducted at the tax level if you're in the church. So you get a lot of money but now the thing is if you are running that big an empire you need of your own agency so this is where the Jesuits come in. So you can tell that in every community where there was a church they were also informants so Vatican intel most people never thought about it like that they think the CIA is the biggest but it's actually Vatican until that's the biggest and it has been global already way before the CIA even existed. I've had others who have suggested the same thing but it's been difficult for me to appraise I think you're giving it context and an historical framework that makes a lot of sense. Continue. And now now comes the key and this is where I will try to close the circle because as I was investigating this I also discovered that are the entire Vatican architecture. Okay is is actually it has the structure of one big corporation and this corporation is constituted according to canon law. If you go to Switzerland some older Swiss families will tell you that the Kantons and the land ownership of very old families is content constituted according to canon law right now. Switzerland belongs to the night's temple as a South African historian shown for us as explained to us so Switzerland was founded exactly the time period after the night's network of Jerusalem that it takes most people on horseback to go from Jerusalem to Switzerland. We have these big structures in our society that are still constituted according to canon law so you know through closing the circle if Vatican Intel was global you know as soon as they started exploring last in America and America right. Vatican Intel would have sent spies on the ship Vatican Intel was there it was everywhere else in Europe and so on when we're talking about MI6 these days and the CIA but they're actually are they are branch office as a Vatican Intel that's all so in other words MI6 is the British branch office. Jeremy Bandy is the German branch office and you know CIA is therefore the American branch office now the thing is the question is what is the corporation according to which you know this whole architecture of people was constituted. So just interject many of us with the Jesse's the Israelis the most sought that has been infield trained the CIA for example so we need to figure the relationship between. The Jewish brand I can tell you the relationship between Jewish franchise wait wait wait wait I will answer your question if you allow me to close to the doctor of channel again to answer this so let's go back in time because it's sometimes easier to understand okay so I hope most of your viewers can follow me if you send ships to explore Latin America going back to the 15th century you would send your spies if you are the Vatican right you wouldn't just. Let's let some local king you know go out and get his you know his hands on something so they sent the spies their spies when Latin America and everywhere in America already centuries ago before the CIA existed by the time the CIA was founded right they already had an Intel network now you know the oldest countries. Closes to the Vatican will have the oldest Intel networks now Israel is very very young it's a very young country and it's I would say it's the personal fifth of the Rothschild because the Rothschild was sent the congratulate the nation letter you know by the you know the queen to say hey congratulations here there's your country right so my side is very young it's a puppy compared to the MI6 and the CIA even. You know and it's like a ridiculous young compared to Vatican so what is Mossad Mossad is the newest branch office. If you have a bank with branch offices your personnel sometimes my grades right they change from the London office to maybe the Paris office and so on. So and if you look at and you talk to Intel whistle blowers or intelligence you discover that they have worked for very large number of these agencies for example Carl Clark in the UK he worked for Mossad he worked for MI6 for other countries how come it's because these all these intelligence is other very same corporation he just changed branch offices will you have seen your Mossad in the CIA hell yes will you have CIA. Am I six and Mossad yes of course it's all the mix and I can also tell you that KGB and MI6 are also just different branch offices of the same corporation there was never any difference what the hell. So it's all just the hoax the entire cold war was just a flick you know frickin hoax. So now Catherine this is absolutely dazzling I wanted to have only has any reason to take exception or whether he would be willing to at least tentatively explore that hypothesis possibly even supported at least in part. Now what you're saying is nothing new to me I this is quite honest why I know chip also talks a lot about how they they're working together all the time you know depending on what nation they're targeting then they use key people in the target of nation but they use people from abroad so if it's France they're doing something and they would use anyone except the French because they would be more easily identified. So they would use the daint and the turks and whatever in that country which you needed to do a hit somewhere else you so and very often I mean some of his colleagues like one of the people he actually blew up in a plane he was working for Mossad bad webber I think is. Ali as was his any I forgot his real name but when you look at it's very important to understand that just because people are in this organization doesn't mean that they understand what they're in it's so compartmentalized it's so by design it's super important that no one gets the whole picture so it's in a pyramid shape pyramids with impairments all compartmentalized chopped up in little pieces so that no one on the get it. And it's the same with these intelligence agencies like on a street level they're different entities but the higher up you come in the power pyramid they're all connected as far as I know KGBC a Mossad boss the West German MI6 MI5 the Swedish the Danish P.E.T. as far as I know you go up to the top they're connected you go down on the street level they're totally separate but it's once again it's an illusion it's the way it's going to be. I said I was pulling the strings behind us thinking that oh like you're talking about the Cold War once you start looking into the Cold War you will find out it was a big sigh of it was a big sigh of that what we were being told was just not true it was fear upon pumped up to get this conflict going so that they could play their game and do whatever they wanted to us. As our conversation reaches its conclusion I must say that I regard the two of you as among the most intelligent perceptive and thoughtful analysts of the contemporary state of affairs in the world today and it's just to me virtually breathtaking to listen to your discourse I can't tell you when I've had a more satisfying informative and illuminating conversation with any guess on any program I've ever done. Kazoo I'm so grateful to you and you're fighting the good fight only I admire you beyond words you're both among my heroes and I'm just so grateful to have you here today. One final word for me each of you before we part. Thank you Jim for being from an experienced academic that is really a compliment and I'm very very honored. Thank you I just would like to finish with the final sentence that my my investigation has now this is now my final conclusion and I'm inviting people to try to disprove me or back me up whichever way but I came to the conclusion that the big corporation according to canon law that incorporates all these inter agencies and pretty much you know most of the world. It is these people who are in the corporation governed by the corporation working for the corporation sometimes without their knowledge that formed this parallel society and it is this corporation praying on the ones who are not in it so now the key question is what's the name of the corporation and I would like to leave that as a final puzzle so that people before I give the answer people do their own investigation because it has a name and they actually put their name everywhere as a brand and now it's that's the you know my puzzle to your to your audience. Fascinating fascinating fascinating for those who want to see the video version of this program it'll be up at 153 news.net my special thanks to Dr. Catherine Horton and the only domicguard for being here and to all of you from listening. And may I add something Jim because we've been we've been talking about things that are quite terrifying fine i'm sure for a lot of people so I would very much like normally I don't add prayers but I would very much like to to end with a prayer i'm not a religious person whatsoever I am a spiritual being and i'm being i'm walking the way up choose the way i see it so the one the prayer that I always end with is this one that I really don't go like this may the entire universe we feel with peace and joy love and light may everyone and especially the ones who heard us we feel with peace and joy love and light may the light of truth overcome all darkness so victory to that violence so be it so be it devoutly to be wished I can't thank you enough and thank you all for listening.