Sage of Quay - Jason Boss of 153News.net - Google, Censorship & The Pursuit of Truth

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I've gotta be me, and you need to be you. Trust that you're mine free, and give yourself true. Now don't break baby, it's like a night out on the town. It's all been killing blue, no, no. Shine your light all around. Like I know you can't do, baby. Yeah, I know you can do. Now some people come. Welcome my friends to the Sage Acquay Radio Hour, your home for free and critical thinking, and I'm your host Mike Williams. Tonight my very special guest is Jason Boss. Jason is the owner of 153news.net, which is a censorship free platform for truth and alternative research content providers. The conversation with Jason was wide-ranging as he discusses his tenure with Google, he's starting 153 news, and how truth is need to be careful when researching and investigating certain events. And so without further ado, here's Jason. I'm interviewing Jason Boss, he is the proprietor of 153news.net. Jason has a very extensive IT background, so the discussion today we're going to major on his time at Google and some information that he knows about and some of the work that he's done that I'm thinking is going to be an eye opener for the audience. And so I think it's important that we get to hear what it is that Google is doing, especially from somebody who work for them and has some inside information. I should note that the the NDA or the the non disclosure agreement that has expired. Is that correct Jason? No, it's correct. Okay. So we're out of that window and Jason worked with worked for I should say Google from 2006 to 2010. So it was eight years ago. So the point I guess with this show is the information that Jason is going to share with us is dated eight years. But if that is what Google was doing eight years ago, so you can just imagine what's going on right now. So Jason, welcome to the show. It's great to have you here. And I guess the best way to start would be just a little background on how you started and ended up doing 153news.net. So where do you want to start? How did it all begin for you? Well, I've always been an entrepreneur all my life. I've been an entrepreneur and that's what I do is I build businesses and it's kind of in the blood and you know I out of school. I already had a computer store and I've had computer stores are been in the IT world nearly all my life. I've had every certification under the sun Cisco, novel Microsoft, you know, you name it. You can know through you know, roll it into his toilet paper. I've had so many of different certifications in there. And so I've always been a lifetime geek. That's what I like to do. And that's what I like to play on and you know it takes its course. And for the IT world, the top of the pinnacle is an ISP and Internet service provider. And that's where I've lived most of my adult life delivering high speed Internet to people in rural America. And so I've had three different ISPs that I've built and that I've sold over the years. One was in Jacksonville, Wyoming. I had a blast over there. And so I do, I deliver high speed Internet to people and I still do to this day. I have an ISP in Oregon and Washington and it's a lot of fun. And you know your hands are in the mix of people's privacy. People do stuff on the Internet that is extremely private. And over the years I've fought every federal subpoena that's come along our way. People have always wanted IP addresses for things like that. And there's only one a pedophile that I actually let through. Everybody else I fought. I said you know what do you want from these people? What have they done? And we've always been a champion for privacy and for the end user. You know because hackers just really have a tremendous advantage over end users. People running Windows just are really at a loss. Unfortunately. So you know being and defending Windows and defending all this being an ISP one day I got the call from Google. And they wanted to interview me and they were building a one of their very first data centers in Oregon. And Google didn't up into this point never had their own data centers. They always co-located with people all over the world. And one of the first things before I get too far into this whole thing with Google is I have a lot of friends at Google. And they are very good people. Everything that goes down this path has absolutely nothing to do with them. Google has run at the very top by a couple of dudes who are in full control of the entire company. And so as evil as you guys are going to see this company becoming very shortly. It's not the people that work there and I still have a ton of friends there. And people should understand that Google is large. It's very large back in 2000 when I got hired. They had 800,000 computers. Now this is first time that any of this information has ever been made public. People just didn't know how many they had. They had 800,000. And my job was to build a data center that put 200,000 in on the ground in Oregon. And so that's what I did is I built that team of people who weren't and we built an awesome infrastructure. And it was amazing. We got to see stuff that still stayed at the art. I've seen processors and different technology that still has not hit the street even 10 years later. It's amazing. And so these guys, you know, the big companies, the Googles and Apple and these guys, they have technology that we haven't seen. I still have not seen some of the stuff 10 years later. And so they're using stuff that, you know, we're at the end of the game. And that's why we never get the good technology because we're, you know, we're the little guys. And so inside of Google, I ran a team of about 100 guys that worked on these 200 computers. And we, how, how this began is you would go to, you know, you had 200,000 computers at any given time. You could have, you know, 10,000 computers that were broken. And so my job was to take the guys and go through these machines and be able to bring these machines back to life. And so back in my day, and I guess one of my claims to fame and where I advanced within Google, is that the process was each individual person, a tech to go walk to each of these 200,000 computers and diagnose it by hand. And I'm like, this is, this is not scalable because I knew that they were hitting a million computers and they were going to be going into the multi millions. They had like, they wanted like 1.6 million computers. And this is prior to de-wave stuff coming out. So that's going to change the game. So Jason, the 200,000 is part of their infrastructure. Oh, yeah, you bet absolutely 200,000 physical machines within clusters and, you know, a couple of different buildings. So, you know, getting into all the clustering, you know, it's a big, big thing. Google is infinite in size and they're infinite in money. The money that these guys bring in is millions of dollars hourly, right? They're, they're, they're, they're tremendously wealthy company. And they spin that on their people and they're also their data centers. Their data centers are some of the best in the world. They're running the top highest end equipment ever. And Google is nothing to joke with. People don't understand that Google is 20,000 employees across the world. And everyone, I mean, there's, it's a big company. And so, you know, that leads me to, you know, the shooting over in YouTube the other day. You know, when they, the guy walked into Google and to YouTube and shot, you just don't walk into Google. Google has some of the absolute best security. They have absolutely the best cameras. You just don't walk into Google. You badge into Google everywhere you go. You badge. And so it was kind of interesting. You know, they spun the whole, the whole story of that. And, and, you know, we'll let it right at that. But, you know, Google is, Google is his very big. And so, I'll take his into the inside of Google a little bit. Like I just said, there's cameras. Everybody talks about Google's over the top luxuries. And I mean, it is. I mean, they have segues everywhere, massage chairs everywhere. You can get a massage every, very little bit. You're fed all your meals. You know, you have snack bars. You have, it's the ultimate kind of, I don't know, it's like an Alice in Wonderland kind of lifestyle. And I mean, it does breed very good software. It breeds very good infrastructure. It breeds good people. You know, and a lot of people thrive on that kind of environment. But it's, you know, people to walk from the streets and saw what corporate America was kind of like. They'd be blown away at. Well, you know, you know, you say you have a massage. You tell me what schedule massage go get a massage. You'll go lay down and get a massage. Any time. So, free meals, free massages. That's, that's basically the inside of Google. It's a luxury network of funds. So huge perks for the employees then. So, which is an incentive, obviously, to bring in the best talent. Yeah, absolutely. And to get into Google, it's, it's, it's no joke at all. It's extremely hard. I consider myself and it's, it's not to be pompous. It's just that I've been there. I've done everything. And so I was able to get in. They hired me at a higher level than they said they hired other people in my, how I had it. I was a data center tech three is what they hired me in that. And it was like 85 90,000 a year plus, you know, 30,000 bonus. If you performed well. And by the time I left as an operations team manager, I was making 120 grand a year with a 25,000 bonus. So I was doing, you know, 145 a year, easy. And so, you know, that's, that's the kind of get all out. So, you know, and I want everyone to understand that we're going into the guys of, of don't be evil. Don't be evil is the motto that Google absolutely put together right at the, as they, as they began their entire career. We were led to believe that this company is not going to be evil. And when you look at the tricks, the devil plays, absolutely somebody might come in and say, we're not evil. And at the end of the day, you're going to see some, some crazy stuff here. So, just going down my notes so I can get everything in for you guys. Let's see. So, inside of all those data center, let me get back to my, my quick little claim to fame is, so we're trying to repair 200,000 computers. We were doing it by one person at a time. And I said, this isn't going to work. I said, and I went rogue. I incorporate Google. You can't just go to side. You're going to go do something. You go through the ranks and the layers, not like politics. I've never been in corporate America before. It's like you have to go shake hands and love everyone. Everyone has to support you in corporate America. And I was, you know, I always built business. So I wasn't, you know, I just went and did it. So, I was something new to me, you know, playing as a, as a team. Yeah, corporations are very process oriented. So you have to follow the process. Yeah. So I went rogue and I took over a, a little tiny cluster of computers. And I developed this artificial intelligence program that I called Ronin. And what I did is every time a computer broke, they would just reboot this computer. It would put up into this little tiny operating system. And it would diagnose all these computers. The same stuff every human had to do. So I went and proved this whole thing to them. And they loved it. And they're like, wow, yeah, this is the greatest thing. And to this day, there's teams of people that are run Ronin because it eliminated the technicians actually going to these computers and having to diagnose them. They didn't have that prior to me. So, you know, at the end of the day, you know, I helped the beast system out, you know, as crazy as that sounds. So that's Ronin. And as I developed Ronin, I kind of became, you know, a celebrity. And I was like, oh, yeah, this guy had, you know, he pushed this idea through and wow, look at this. This is, this is a game changer. So I had a lot of perks. I was able to get around. And during that process, they sent me to a leadership training camp. And it was in California. And this is, it was this big, expensive camp, come by, all stuff about team, you know, this ascent, all they're up and coming managers to this stuff. And at this meeting, I sat around this, this group of this guy. And this dude was heartbroken. And, you know, again, I was the young guy who was always, don't be evil. Google is the company for us. You know, this is good. Everybody thought that. And so as we sit around this meeting, this guy, you know, it was the, it was the ending time where we were all supposed to bond together. And you know, the six people we didn't know, you know, we all, you know, tell our dark secrets. So this guy tells me he's like, he's in charge of this, this cluster. This really has him disturbed. I'm like, what, what are you talking about? And he says there's a project called project Kansas. I'm like, project Kansas isn't that the Wi-Fi project or something? He's like, no, it's another project, Kansas. I'm like, what is it? He says it's 22,000 computers at that time, 22,000 computers. And there was a function of the thing called sawmill. And sawmill goes over every piece of Google infrastructure there is. And for the record, let me tell you guys, some of the Google infrastructure, you have Google itself, the search, you have Gmail, Google Analytics, YouTube, G Drive, Sheets, Docs, Maps, Photos, Play Store. It goes on endless Chrome every bit of that information, every bit of that user information goes into sawmill. Sawmill compiles everything about you, even if you're a Yahoo user that has received an email from a Gmail user or has gone to an analytics site, every last bit of that information is taken through sawmill and taken and put into project Kansas. What you're saying, Jason, is all their products are being surveilled? Absolutely everything. And now you have Android phones. And so, and Apple's absolutely no different. They're just the other side of the coin, but I just know the inside from this. So your Android and Android has been caught before reporting Wi-Fi data, reporting all sorts of stuff. And that's just the stuff they get caught for. At the end of the day, they have a cluster and it was 22,000 computers 10 years ago. It's probably 80,000 computers right now. And you have a, the way you describe this, it really unnerved me. It really took my securities of this company that I was rooting for that I really thought was the next up and coming thing. And I said, this is like part of the beast system. There's something absolutely wrong with this. And so I left California. And this guy, how again, how he described this thing is it is a giant folder. It's a giant folder. Everybody has a personal profile. Everybody. Everything. Every search, every is every search from the beginning of time to right where it is. Everything. This thing knows people right now, eight, 10 years ago, better than you will ever know yourself. It will know your porn tendencies. It will know your whatever tendencies. It will know if you search for something bad. It, there's absolutely nothing and it scared the living snot out of me. He was brokenhearted about it. And I carried that back. And I'm like, I think I went about six more months after that. And I'm like, you know what I'm done. I said, I, I went and I built another ISP and that's what I've been doing to this time. And I'm like, and I put on my, when I was leaving, why are you leaving? I said, project Kansas. I said, what part of don't be evil does project Kansas fall under? I mean, how is this how is surveilling and taking the trust of everybody under the project? Don't be evil. How is that good? How is that ever going to benefit us? Because we know that the NSA is all over this data anyway. So it was just long before the alphabet gangs got busted long for student came out of the other stuff. Google under the guys of don't be evil was already our enemy. And it's sad. The person you spoke to Jason, did he say what the information was being used for now? They're collecting it. It's going into a big folder. So what was the, what was the game plan? What was the game plan? What he said that his management told him was this is going to be used for extreme personalized advertising. Like this would know exactly what you want when you want. And let me tell you something about Google. This is how awesome Google is or how when we were in a very first at Google and the first presentation I ever saw was a lady and a whole group of people in a room on their computers and their cameras on top of the camera on top of the computers watching everywhere that people look. And they've taken these results and everything that you look at with Google is the reason that people look. It's the way people look. They've manipulated the entire system. You know why Bing doesn't look good. It's because they haven't done what what Google does. Google knows where you look at all time. They know everything about you. And now they know everything about you. Everything interesting. So let me ask this question. I've always wanted this. So they have like different search engines out there. Google being the largest like you mentioned being in his Yahoo and his others. Right. So even if you use these other search engines, does Google have their hooks into that also? Absolutely. Yeah, you can't you can't go VPN. You can't there's no such I mean, here's the thing. People are always like let's go VPN. You know, who's the VPN at the end of the day? Who's the who controls this VPN? Because if you just buy some dudes VPN and it might be the best thing on the market at the time, you don't know if it's not the feds run in the dag of thing. You know, you don't know. And you know, even duck duck go and the people they're still using Google to an extent. And Google has enough stuff in your Chrome browser. It reports everything you do. People have known this for a long time. It reports back and forth if you use a Chrome. If you use a firebox, it doesn't quite send it to Google. But I mean, they're all interconnected and sawmill. That's what the sawmill is. It's a data collection unit. And that's, that's it wants to show you everything. What I've noticed is they always use this companies like Google this information. They always say, well, it's for better consumerism is really what they're saying. Well, yeah, well, sure. Absolutely. And a lot of people would say, well, I'm okay. So they're just going to try to sell me stuff. But I think that that's probably very naive. In fact, I'm going to say it is very naive to believe that the only reason this information is being used is so that it could be a better vehicle for consumerism and to sell you stuff. Right. No, no. And I mean, here's the thing is at the end of the day that they absolutely have everybody on the planet identified by now. That that that was the part of this whole game is identification. Who are you? What do you use? Where do you go? I mean, and you know, they have to identify as if the end of the day. If they, you know, the they get their way they happen to know who they are, who they're dealing with. And this is one way we're identified. This was 10 years ago. I mean, you go to a little bar you log into your Gmail or log into anything. Google Analytics runs the internet's analytical system like everybody uses analytic Google analytics like 99% of the web. And that's and they they bought out a company years ago called Urchin, who everyone loved and now Google Analytics controls the world. You can't go to a website without analytics reporting who you are your IP and you can't you can't hide. I mean, you really just can't hide. This is not the age to hide anymore. Yeah, that's the other thing that I've kind of just settled in with is the fact that there really is no hiding. You just got to do what you've got to do. And that's that because if you're going to try to play peekaboo with them. Yeah, that's not going to work right because they know where you're at. I mean, I was. Chase, I was using my phone the other day and I was trying to get the weather. And it said, well, why don't you try the GPS option, right? On a lock. I did it. And it's this accurate to within 50 feet. I'm sitting in my backyard accurate to 50 feet. You bet, you bet. Yeah, no, they know everywhere you go. You walk around with yourself. So here's the gigs. If you have your Wi-Fi on, you're being reported back on where you're at. If you want, if you don't turn your Wi-Fi off, when you leave your house, everywhere you go, it picks up everybody's Wi-Fi along the way. Like they know the world. They know where everybody's internet is. They know where everybody's, you know, and that's the funny thing is when we started 153 news. Dot net, everyone's like, oh, this is this is a honey pot. This is a honey pot to get all the truth. They're here and to set them up and to do all this stuff. And I'm like, you guys are very naive. You guys are very, I mean, you think you can hide behind YouTube with your faceless memes and your, you know, your troll accounts. And thinking that you're, you're anonymous. And then you want, you know, you know, and that's funny because people went over to Bitshoot and they, you know, my partner, he, he like logged in and he showed all these things. Like 40 or 50 different things. Amazon, all these things that were hitting you. The second you went to Bitshoot and then he goes to 153 news.net. And there's nothing. It's a blank screen. I mean, we don't report. We don't care. We, you know, you sign up for the email address. You know, if you have the right content, we'll allow you there. But it's crazy. People don't get that they're exposed. This is, you know, it's not like, you know, you're when walking around for self on that is a bug. That is, and you know, you have 15 20 apps that monitor you at all times all the time. Yeah, I've had this discussion with folks who, you know, others that are on YouTube and the truth community, alternative research community. They don't use they use aliases for names and I don't like that. I understand why they would do that. But again, it's, it's going back to your point. You can use an alias if you want, but the only person that you're convincing that, you know, that you're kind of hidden is you. Yeah, they absolutely people you're trying to hide from. They know who you are. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, this is why people don't, you know, you don't want dirt. I mean, if you're, you're doing bad stuff and trying to expose stuff, you're just going to get in trouble. You know, you got to be a clean guy. You got to have a clean record. You know, people with 153 news. I think I've had every troll under the sun try to expose me. I even doxed myself. And I'm like, look, guys, this is, this is what it is. But, you know, they're convinced I work for the CIA or they're convinced I, you know, it's just it never ends. You know, it's like a insane asylum almost. Well, even you're working for Google, they have to have and I know they have very extensive background checks. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. No, you don't, you don't get, you don't get into it. So back one quick step back to the interview process. It takes six different interviews at three hour increments to ever get into Google. You have to be 100% accepted by six hard core texts and people that watch you. It's no joke to get in and then they background check you extensively. I mean, and you're sitting there working on some of the most sensitive data in the world. You have, you know, people put their lives into these products and they they have no idea. You know, they're just sticking their lives in the products out of convenience. A lot of it's out of laziness and a lot of people would still choose to do, you know, the security, you know, convenience over security and they do. Yeah, you know, a lot of my listeners know I was in the corporate world for a long time and you also made another point and I want to reiterate this point that the people that work for these companies, the rank and file going to work every day, making a salary, paying the bills, the good people. And they are very much unaware of the larger picture. You know, it's very compartmentalized number one. That's what you have to understand about everything that goes on with the stuff that we investigate research in the corporate world. It's very compartmentalized. It's need to know. So you're working on a piece of it and that's it. That's the piece that you work on. How that connects to the next piece, the guy next door or the guy down the hall and so on. You may not figure that out. And even if you do figure it out, there is so much more compartmentalization that takes place above you laterally. Absolutely. Yeah. That to try to piece the whole thing together. And the other issue folks quite honestly is the fact that Jason, I talked about this before the show. Most people, they're on the treadmill. They're on the hamster wheel. So they're not even thinking in terms of something to fary us or something evil taking place. They're just not their head is just not there. So it's not in their in their awareness to go look for something evil. I can do the guy you met. You know, you spoke to he, you know, it dawned on him. He realized what was going on. You being astute knew what was going on. But I have to figure that's the minority of people at Google. I would think that most people think they're doing good things. Absolutely. And remember the most part, you know, 99% of the people are doing good things. And that's the same with the rest of the world, right? Right. 99% of us are just going to the next day. You know, somehow we got stuck in this matrix wheel of the 1% that you know, they really don't care about us. And it's the 1% at the top that make all the rules. And it's like, you know, you can't blame YouTube for the stuff. It's not the people at YouTube that do this. They, you know, they actively hire 10,000 moderators. That's not the employees fall. It's like some guy out there looking for a job. Now his job is to set in control accounts or to monitor back. You know, and that's where they have to decide. You know, is this is this where I want to be? Is this is this honorable enough for the paycheck? And most of the time, you know, they make really good money. I don't think anybody at Google makes. Trump change. They really don't. It's a very giving company far above. And everything is most people are convinced that what they're doing is the right thing. Sure. Because they're in the matrix and they're seeing certain channels or whatever. And like, oh, we can't have this. This is crazy stuff. That's why you and I do what we do to try to wake people up and get them on board and to understand what's going on. But it's, you know, it's a slow go. Most people, you know, here's the deal is you know, you have a red pill or blue pill and most people are pretty content where they're at. They're really content where they're at. They, you know, it's it's it's a lot of worry. You know, it's like ever since I woke up, I haven't had a day of like, you know, just like, wow, you know, the world's good. I look out, look at the sky. It's all clotted up. And I'm like, wow, you know, what are my kids going to see? What where's this going? You know, but a lot of people they don't want to wake up. Football school, Christmas school. Let's all have a eight a let's, that's it. You know, let's just stay in the matrix. And so it's a choice, I believe. Yeah, it is a choice. And like I said, it's a choice that stems from the fact that they just don't know they don't have the, you know, the awareness. So they're thinking this is as good as it gets, right? Right. I got to go to work. I got to get a paycheck. I got to, I got to support the family and so on. Now, Jason, this all led to 153 news.net. So I guess at some point, you said, okay, enough of this. I'm going to create my own platform. How did that happen? Well, you know, I was, I was a happy YouTube right at 21,000 subs. And I did a news, you know, based on call in time headline news, it basically just shows a ramping up of the mad society that we're in right now. And then, you know, the crazy stuff, the stuff the little outside of the box. And you know, I did that. I had 21,000 subs and the Vegas situation came around. And I, you know, I've been watching news for so long. I'm like, I look at that. I go, that's not, that's not happening. Something's wrong here. And boom, a YouTube took me out. And I'm like, geez, you know, that was, that was really quick. And so I went from there and I found some, some open source software and we popped it together and built it up and, you know, it's 153 news.net. And it's, it's not a, it's not a platform for everybody. It's, it's a platform for all the people who have been banned across YouTube, who've been caught banned across Facebook. We're after the high profile stuff. We're after the stuff that could potentially lead to convictions, the stuff that can lead to people, you know, these traders being being dealt with. And so it's basically really raw stuff. It's stuff you're not going to find anywhere else anymore. There's bits and pieces on Bitshoot and various things. But we have, we have, you know, 1500 people that have been kicked off of YouTube, the big guys, you know, the guys people know Russian vids and a condom outlickers, you know, those kind of guys and, and, you know, we're protecting them. And we, we've been, we've been violently attacked. It's been the most crazy thing I think I ever thought I never thought 153 news would be come what it is and has gone to the point where, you know, we even had higher attorney to deal with Lenny Posner and that whole situation. So it's crazy. Yeah, I was going to ask you about that. I was going to ask you how you are able to, well, first of all, are you convinced that you're out of the reach of Google surveilling 153 news.net. Absolutely not. They know, I think we're under extreme amount of surveillance. I see bought queries all the time for stuff that it looks like thereafter that I, you know, it's just weird random queries of things, different towns, different things and it's not. It's bots. And so I'm like, OK, so people are looking for these specific things. And here's some stuff that's really cool. 153 news on that with YouTube, you have absolutely no control, right? You get a strike. You get some dudes name and you're supposed to like get fill out a one liner and, you know, you're supposed to be saved your video supposed to be saved. And, you know, they always deny you don't care about your video or any of that stuff. The real world doesn't exist like that. And I did not realize that YouTube essentially was just kicking us in the rear end because what you get under a DMCA is you get a, you get a full letter. You get the person's name him swearing under perjury. You get a whole bunch of stuff and you can respond to that with I have a legal form that I sent my attorney to begin with and we fought off to one of these things and they've gone. Here's a gig is between Lenny Posner and the honor network. There's like, I don't know 40 some people that have just viciously, you know, been trolling and attacking it. And you know, it's been a lot of fun fighting these guys off. It's like, I don't know, it's like a childhood, you know, high school figure. But you know, these guys have and have been going at it. And they go after my Amazon account all the time. They go after all the players. I'm hosting the cool thing is I bounce around. And so none of the places I'm at is where I'm actually at. And so they can take down pretty much any of my hosting at any point. I can have it up in about 30 seconds because I've been waiting for this. I figured I didn't figure I'd make it as long as I've made it without them actually taking out Amazon or taking out somebody else. I bounce all over the place. They'll never, ever be able to technically find out where I'm at. And when they do, you know, because I expect to some point Amazon is going to side with them because people see these videos and they're going, this is the most cruel stuff I've ever seen. You guys, you know, these all these victims, like people crying and you guys are heartless, heartless people. I've heard it over. And I'm like, look, I said, we're just showing you facts. That's it. We're just showing you stuff. We're not, you know, you guys will have to take your own answers. You'll have to look into the stuff. But you know, that's where we're at. We have all of the stuff. We successfully fought off. 20 of them, the honor took us, tried to take us out twice. We got their names. It's crazy. It's crazy because they get fully exposed when you're a private company. Like they have to come at you directly instead of having YouTube that protects them. So what I figured out from that is you have absolutely no chance under YouTube to fight these guys off. And it's no wonder videos get taken down because you know, you get four or five guys that flag a video. And you're done. And so that's different. You know, they've never had to fight this. And so we're 22 and oh against Lenin and honor at the moment. So. Let me ask this Jason, how do you you say they can't like nail you down? So what do you mean by that exactly? How do you maneuver around it? Yeah. Yeah. Actually, this is great. This is great information for anybody. And then I'll explain it because everyone's like, how do you do this? So you know what you go and find cheap little $5 VPS boxes. Go find some guy that just has a cheap little $5 VPS box. And it runs Linux. And then you bounce it from that box to where you really at. So I bounce all over the place. I have stuff in New York and California. I'm working on some Russian stuff. But they're never going to find out exactly what I'm doing. So I'm going to go and find out what I'm doing. And I'm going to go and find out what I'm doing. And I'm going to go and find out what I'm doing. And I'm going to go and find out what I'm doing. And I'm going to go and find out what I'm going to find out what I'm doing right now. And so I think there's another option that you could wearing in your closet and you're not going to get gifts. And so I'm going to buy it from some businesses up there. And now let's look around the picture twice and try to make sure they're sold.また recorder checking and.. They don't want any multitasking requirements. And that lasts последfully. And then you only get that one part of it. place across the United States and hide your box. You know, it's five bucks a month. There you go. Okay, so when they try to attack, they're attacking someplace else. What's what's happening? Yeah, they're attacking. Yeah, they're attacking a little tiny Linux box that has been stripped down that you're never ever going to, you're not going to make it through. There's nothing to make it through too. It's just, it's a router essentially. You just made a router. Okay, very interesting. All right, so that's how you've been able so far to, to be able to dodge the bullet, right? To be able to stay in the United States and dodge the bullet because you know, we could do hosting, you know, in some scandalous remote region of the world and it just would be slow, but so far we've been able to stay in the United States this way. Okay, and now how about you yourself? Are you concerned about lawsuits? Somebody laying a lawsuit on you and saying, Hey, you know what? You're, you're actually fostering this stuff. You're, uh, you're putting it out there. It's your platform. Absolutely. Yeah, and we, we, we, uh, one 53 news is in LLC that I registered in New York where my attorney lives. And so we are set up to field this kind of stuff. We're, we're set up, um, a bit to defend it. You know, I, it's, it's really funny because we have some of the most scantless stuff about Lini Pazern, Sandy Hook and all this jai. But, you know, they, I've seen him try to and everybody I was just waiting for his attorney to get ahold of me because, you know, we've, they haven't been able to touch us and you know, it's, it's definitely Lini signing, you know, 20 of these things and lying through his teeth. But, um, you know, so far so good. But yeah, we're set up to, to get attacked. Okay, so because you're a limited liability company, there's no personal liability. The liability falls onto the, the company itself. Yeah, yeah. If, if, if we get a tremendous something we can't do, I'll just, I'll, I'll bankrupt the company and put the server over in Russia. I mean, there's, there's, that's where it'll go. Now, do you have a get concerned, Jason, but, you know, with some of the content, let me ask this, let me ask the question this way. Do you, how well do you know the people that are trying to come on board? I mean, do you do a, a check, a background check on them to make sure that they're not setting you up or setting 153 news.netup? It's, it's, that's the happy medium. You know, it's like, we, there's definitely, we know there's, there's paid people out there. We know there's tab a stock out there. We know there's just a tremendous amount of people on payroll that are meant to infiltrate. And, you know, we've had, we've had Sandy Hook guys. We've had, we've had a whole different groupings of people and we don't allow signups that you've just come, you can't come and sign up. You have sent an email. We, we, we, we personally talk to you and reply back and, you know, it's a little slower than average, but I mean, we're humans. I mean, we try to open signups for just a little bit. We got the trolls and the Sandy Hook guys and, you know, it's like little, little tiny groups of two and three sound like monsters. And it's really just like a couple of loud guys that, you know, they're, they're, they're ineffective, but they, they're loud in their packs. So we shut all that down and we, we actively hunt those people down and get rid of them. You know, there's, there's a, there's a huge thing because, you know, we, we're censorship free, but we've had to boot off a whole bunch of trouble makers. And so they're like, you're not censorship free. You censor everything. I'm like, no, I only censor the trouble makers. Humans are allowed. Demons are not. We don't, we don't like demons. And that, and that's what they do. They're just there to make trouble or dissimpo. And so that's, yeah, I mean, we're always worried about that. People coming in there. And, you know, the, the thing we stand on, and my attorney stands on, is the first amendment, you know, we're trying to, you know, I don't like a lot of the videos. Like a lot of the videos I don't agree with a lot of the stuff. I do not agree with, I do not, and you know, I, I control to a degree. Like people can't just come on. We can't just have random people come on and start uploading disinformation stuff. You know, it's just, it doesn't work. And the, the eagle-eyed guys that are on the site, you know, they, like, blow a cap in you right out of the gate with some dissimples stuff. Can't come put out your Joan stuff on there, right? It doesn't work. And, and to agree and spin that kind of stuff, it doesn't work. And so we, we are, you know, we, we are very limited. Anybody can have a subscriber account. And if you're good and don't troll, and so be it, please come, come get an account, join the team, join the family. And then if you're somebody like, like Russian vids or like people, the bigger people on there, they get ahold of me or like if they can show me some of the content they made that looks, you know, like something that I would like to present to this people. But I mean, we're 153 news.net. And I mean, that is actually a biblical thing. That is, that is a, in reference to a whole bunch of apostles that are out previously fishing for fish. And our Messiah comes to the, the, the bank and says toss it to the other side and they catch 153 fish. And he goes, you know, the moral of this story is don't go out, catch a fish, go fish for men. And you know, that's where we're at. And so I don't want to have any disinformation at all. You know, if I have to burn for the truth, I, it might just happen. I mean, I might just end up in the mental ban as well. I don't know. So how do you identify Jason? You mentioned the trouble makers because I can imagine this is, you know, this is going to be an ongoing thing that you have to always focus on because there's always, always going to be people for whatever reason, whether they work for, you know, for the government, for one of the alphabet agencies, whatever it may be, that it's trying to slip into the door and to cause a problem. So how do you go about that? You just watch it. You know, we have, we have a lot of good people on there. And it's, when you have a human base, like you, you, you two, you don't know it. It's humans or bots or what the heck it is. It's making comments or thumbs up or thumbs down this where you actually control it and you have humans that you know of, you know, people start getting weird. You know, like people throw somebody under the bus or like he's a shale and blow up, you know, it's like, here's the rule on 153 news.net. If you absolutely have a problem with a content maker, you need to deliver it to us and let us evaluate what the heck you're saying. I mean, you can't just sit there in the pub nine and a four ago. This guy's a shale. Yeah, yeah, he got interviewed on Fox one day. He's a shale. And I'm like, why do you have proof? I'm like producer evidence. If you can produce the evidence and we have a shale aboard, let's get him off. I don't want shale's, but I don't want dis info. I don't wish too much of it. You know, we've been lied to for so long that I just, I don't like being lied to. And so, you know, it's a slow process. People trickle in here and there and they they you can see him. They kind of go at like wolves in a pack. And then they start here and there, little tiny things and they get more vocal and pretty soon you can group them. It's not too hard to find them. I mean, real humans are good people, they're people we love and you know, people have questions that you can ask questions. You just can't go crazy and and do like you do on YouTube. Those, that's for YouTube. Yeah. I mean, you mentioned people complaining about the fact that you are censoring even though you're saying that you're protecting first amendment rights and a lot of people, they don't really understand, you know, what the word censoring means. Sensoring doesn't mean that you can just say whatever you want to say. I mean, you can if you want, the thing is people don't have to listen to you. That's the piece of it, right? Right. So, but when you run a platform, you have to have certain guidelines. You have to have certain practices. Otherwise, what's going to happen is it's just going to be total chaos. Oh, absolutely. That's not going to work. And that's what we saw out of the gate is we had open signups and we had little groups of guys. They would band together and they would attack people. It really is they hunt in teams. They come from YouTube and teams. They come, they're like a little two or three buddies or they're they're paid as groups. I don't know what the deal is, but they get in there and you got to you got to fish them out and they do try to tend. They they know now, you know, I'm getting really good at hunting trolls and they they hate me. And man, I have hate groups on YouTube and everywhere. Bitch shoot. They they hate me. You know, they it's amazing. You know, but if I didn't get rid of all these guys and there's like, you know, 20 guys are really making a ruckus. If I hadn't got rid of them, then I'd be dealing with them on 153 news and all that evil negative energy, you know, being being into this, you know, we were here to discuss things. You know, you put a video up. We're not here to bash things. We're here to discuss it. What do you see? This is what we see. Should we be seeing this? You know, and that's it, you know, we're not, you know, we're not bashing stuff. So those guys can stand on YouTube and they have a great home there and that's that's breeds those place people like that. Yeah, I mean, that's what I don't do on my show. We don't go about bashing what we what we try to do. And I think we do a good job of it is to present facts, evidence, research, insights. And then it is up to the audience to decide taking in those variables. Where did they stand with it? And I've always said, I don't expect everybody to agree with my guests to agree with me. Which is it's a form of ideas. Right? Just sharing ideas and insights. And for some people, it's going to resonate. And for other people, it's not. But this whole thing where people, others are trying to club each other to death. I don't know. I never understood that because Jason, to be honest with you, and I say this a lot on my shows, one of the biggest problems we have is we lack civil discourse. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I don't think our parents paddled this enough, you know, because we just were just a bad breed of people. And it's like unfortunate. You know, it's like I've inherited like the people that will be, you know, segue into a little bit. I've inherited all their trolls. And these guys were loud. They're very, you know, angry kind of people. So their enemies are like, you know, they make my old trolls on YouTube look like cupcakes. So, you know, I got a whole new breed of trolls. And I mean, these guys are ruthless. Absolutely ruthless. Yeah. Now, how many, now you mentioned before, how many do you have on board with 153 news.net? 15.net. We had about 1500, um, private providers that that have been approved that do it. And we have about 3500 just regular subs that people just, you know, they sub and find their people that they've been missing off YouTube and, and you know, go find them. Okay. So here's my next question. Is this like your primary job or do you have a day job too? Well, so here's the game, man. In in 2015, during J. Halen 15, I'd seen enough. I'm like, you know what? I took my two cars and I drove south of the border. I'm down down in South America. And so you're, I'm coming to you live from there. So this is kind of my day job. And then I do a little bit of farming. And you know, I, it takes so much tired. Absolutely no idea that 153 news.net would take this much time. And, you know, this much babysitting. And it's just, it's, it's, it's a lot. And it's growing. And the more it grows, the more things, you know, that you encounter that you just didn't expect. Unfortunately. Do you get any kind of funding from donations, contributions, subscriptions, anything like that? Yeah. No. So my, my, my partner on this from death to life, he was, has a huge, he used to have huge channels all over YouTube. We, you know, now we scattered. We're all scattered around there. But, you know, he's in California. He and I have been putting the money into the servers, you know, I own the I own ISPs, I own, you know, infrastructure here and there. And so we're able to fund it like this. We, and we set up a Patreon account, you know, all of a sudden we became shields. You know, we have $230 of Patreon accounts, right? And so we fund everything, you know, it's just thousands of months of engineering. I throw into this, but we planned for this. It's, it's what we, we want in the other guys. There's, there's a handful, you know, 20 people that are patrons. And my, you know, God bless you guys. You know what? You know, they see through the, the smoke and, you know, you're not a shield. You know, it's like you, you want to go, you know, a further direction. And so the Patreon guys at $230 a month or whatever, we're just about to develop an Android app. And so it's 100% because of those guys. And you know, my hat's off to everybody. And I think everybody who does that. But no, I mean, we're not out looking for donations. People have donated, you know, they, they, you know, this, we're, there's not a ton of patrons that they're willing to, to throw in there. So it is what it is. We'll continue on with whatever we get. And if we don't get anything, so be it. Good for you. The reason why I bring it up, Jason, is because there is this thought process out there that says, if you're in the truth community or the alternative research community and you have a Patreon page or donations and contributions that, you know, you're, there's something wrong. You are a shield. You're some kind of agent, whatever it may be. And, you know, my response to that is I have a Patreon page. I mean, I don't have a lot of Patreon, but I have a Patreon page and not every once in a while folks will drop a donation. I mean, which is greatly appreciated. But folks, you have to understand that the people that have given you the lies get paid millions of dollars a year. They pick up gigantic paychecks, you know. And so this, this thought process where if somebody is in the truth community that you have to be a pauper and, you know, and poor, otherwise you're not telling the truth. I mean, I never really understood that argument. And, and of course, there is a fine line, you know, where people really start the prosper from it, you know, like the controlled opposition. And I believe info wars is controlled opposition as a lot and lots of money there. So, you know, so you have to use some discernment. But most of us that are out there trying to do this work, I mean, there's no money in this. Absolutely. No, especially where you're, you know, you have higher an attorney to respond to stupid DMCA attacks. But, you know, now I got the template. So anybody wants to respond to DMCA attack the right way. Come see me. I'll send you the template, put your name in there, put, you know, all this stuff. And you can, you can fight it too if you get it privately like this. But no, there is absolutely no money there. And you know, it's like it's, it's, it's not a thankless job because, you know, it's like if one person wakes up, if one person comes to the truth, then I mean that that's got that one soul that one person has got to be worth everything that we're doing. But it is a thankless job. Yeah, you're, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. It's like if you have a patron or a paypal and PayPal just shut my account down because they said I denied the Holocaust, which I did not deny the Holocaust. But anyway, so they shut that down. We used to have paid haul accounts, but now that I'm a Holocaust denier, I mean, I just, I said, hey, you know, can somebody look into this stuff? I mean, I don't know either way. I wasn't back in that day. So I don't know. But anyway, it's, it's hard, man. It is hard. And you know, the, you, you know, as well as I mean, there, the, you said there is no money in this. There, there's, this is for the people. I mean, I, I believe we're in, I mean, not, you know, I don't want to sound like a religious freak or anything. I believe that we are in a, a, end of days kind of scenario. We're in a, a time where, you know, we're, we're crescendoing. And I don't think, I mean, you have crazy stuff. We have CRISPR-9. We have all sorts of weird stuff that's just happening right now. And I mean, if it continues like more than 20 years and we have our DNA completely, you know, CRISPR-I's, there's not going to be a thing left. So I mean, I truly believe that our skies are completely covered for a reason. I believe that time is taken for us. And you know, if we just finish this race right here, the best of our abilities, I believe that people will wake up if they're meant to wake up. Yeah, I was talking to a good friend of mine, you have a day. And I said, we are at the crossroads. I believe we're at a point where something is going to happen. Now, the question, we go back to PayPal for a second. So let's talk about this a little bit. So, so even let's say you say, or I say, that the official or the mainstream story with regard to what happened in World War II, we question question it or aspects of it. Not good. Don't do it. Right. So, and look, I have questions that I've done shows on. I've had Deanna spend go on. And so, you know, I've been pretty, I don't want to say, vocal, but you know, I haven't hidden from the fact that there's more to it than what we've been told, just like with everything. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So for PayPal to turn around and say, well, you know, Jason, we're going to shut your account down because you don't agree with that school of thinking or right that line of thought. It's absolutely unbelievable. I mean, it's the thought police. I've had this this PayPal account since 2002. I've run hundreds of thousands of dollars to this PayPal account. Absolutely gave them their their their, you know, and it's funny. You know, I don't know if somebody reported me or if they're out there, you know, because they, they linked my Twitter account, my YouTube account and my 153 account on this email that they told me to get bent on. And they're like, don't come back. Don't go under another name. You know, all your credit cards, all your stuff that's on file are frozen. Don't even try to get them off into another account. So I'm like, okay, you know, I see how this goes. But the end of the day, the thing we have to realize, who are the top people? Is it the same with Google? Who? If there's a religion of the people at the top, what is it? And that's the question that people really need to come to grips with. Who are the controllers? Right. Well, it's Voltaire. I think it was who said, you know, if you want to know who controls the world, I'm paraphrasing here. It's it's those that you can't speak about, right? Exactly. So, right? So, there we go. We'll just leave it at that. So, I think I'll count St. Tags. Yeah. Yeah. Don't say that. But, you know, I guess for the audience, Jason, I'd have in this conversation, but you can see how this is all tied in. You know, you've got PayPal saying you can't, you can't think this way or speak this way. You've got Google doing their thing. All of these corporations. This is this is a web. Absolutely. This is a web of corporatism. You know, at these multinational corporations, the financial institutions, your education system, it's it's all the military, your government. This stuff is all it's all weaved in. It's all interconnected and don't think for one second that it's not because it's amazing how they're able to they're able to aggregate the information that they need to aggregate in order to make an accusation or an allegation against you. Like in your case, with with regard to PayPal. But that's just a small example, Jason, like really what you were talking about earlier with the with the Kansas. Right. Followed, right? This is what can be done. In other words, they have a portfolio on you, me, and everybody else. And if for some reason they decide on any given day when they wake up that they're going to give you a hard time or they're going to shut something down in your life, this is the environment. This is the state of where things are right now and people really need to get their heads wrapped around that. I think and still a lot of people, they don't they don't pay any attention to the surveillance state or they just they just think it doesn't apply to them. Yeah. Well, it doesn't apply until a fixed your life. And if it doesn't affect your life, that's why most people are are complicit with this. Unless you know, you'll see somebody getting bugged. But I mean, it's not you. It's not somebody you know. So you know, you let them bug you and continue and walk away. You know, that's that's a state of where we're at. I mean, they bred this into our societies. You know, they they they they dumped us down to the point of, you know, it's like we're sleeping. We're sleeping giants. And you know, it's it. Yeah, I don't know how to wake people up. I don't you know anymore. It's like, you know, you all you have to do is just, you know, insert little little questions like, you know, what do you do you think? You know, what do you think about this or or you know, like little things like that? You can't just go out and say, you know, 9-11 was an inside job. You know, still people are like, oh, you know, that's sketchy. You can't come at it like that. You know, it's taken 40 years to to make us as as sleepy as we are. You can't wake somebody up like that. It's like you almost have to have an un indoctrination cycle. You know, okay, let's start real slow. You know, the moon landing, you know, it looks like 10 foil. It looks like, you know, what do you think of this? You know, I'm like, oh, yeah, that doesn't look real. And you know, take it to the next step. You can't just go plunge them into the water because they'll stay asleep. It's too much. It's a shock. That's why I was having a conversation with somebody else. Who was I having it with? Oh, man, I forgot who I was having this conversation with. But that's why we have to have a a plethora or a wider sortment of areas of conspiracy research because one area in particular, let's just pick on 9-11. That's not going to resonate with something or a lot of people, right? So, but maybe geoengineering will, maybe vaccines will, right? fluoride and so on. You have to have an array of material out there because that's the only way you're going to wake people up. Yeah, and it might just be one of those little niches that actually wake somebody up and to like, okay, if there's something to ferry us going on here, maybe there's something else. You know, and then, you know, it's a slow process. But I mean, that's, you know, one one encouraging thing I talked to down here in South America is there's a girl and she spoke good English and I was talking to her and she's like, all my friends know the moon landing wasn't real. I'm like, are you serious? You know this? And she was, you know, like 20 years old. And she's like, yeah, nobody thinks like that. I'm like, for the first time in a long time, I was like super encouraged that, you know, whoa, you know, maybe these people, maybe we have the ability to think again, maybe we can get through and maybe the next generation will save us where we failed to save ourselves. Yeah, it's interesting. Some, some conspiracies, like even the JFK conspiracy, if you talk about it today, most people will say that something went on other than just Lee Harvey Oswald, right? Sure. But when you think about it, that's 50 plus years ago. So it took five decades for people to finally come around to the point where they're, you know, they're questioning it. I don't even want to say a majority of people, but enough people where it becomes, you know, it becomes promising that people are maybe perhaps waking up. Now, one of the things that I know we wanted to just touch on a little bit, it goes to these, these false flags and these shootings is the, the shooting that took place last November of 2017 that at the Texas Baptist Church, there were two truthers there, side-thorn and conspiracy granny and side-thorn is Robert Usary and conspiracy granny is Jody Mann. Absolutely right. Yeah. That is correct. So they were arrested or Robert was arrested. I guess back in, was it May of this year? Yeah, I think it's March or May, one of the two, but yes, early of this year. And he had a presence on your 153news.net. Yes, that is correct. Yeah, so just curious Jason, if you have any updates on how that's going, because I, you know, I would follow these things and in fact, there was a video that he did the, Robert did the interview with Vice, that went up on my blog, but I have to be honest. I mean, I was aware of it, but I wasn't digging into it because there's just so many of these things. And after a while, what happens is you get to the point where you say, okay, well, I know what this is. Right. And you've talked it to death. I know on my show, I've talked it to death with having all the on and others to talk about these events, capstone events funded by FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security. And then it's, it's time to kind of move on because you've done as much as you can. I call it a point of diminishing returns. You know, you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. You start to lose the impact on it because people are just people who know, no, everybody else is so glazed over it. That's it. It's it's on. But Robert's got himself in a very sticky situation. So what's happened since, well, why don't you give us a little background as to what happened? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. So, you know, I'd like to, I guess, introduce Robert and Jodi. And, you know, most people know them as their persona of the guy that is going to pee on, you know, the pastor, you know, the victim of this church. And, you know, folks that, I guess I didn't understand side throw. I didn't know side throw. And I actually have access to his email. He put me in charge of his email, then he's in it. So I've been having it to, I've seen the kind of stuff that comes through side thorns email. And I kind of get an understanding of why he says the things that he says. I don't get done any of it. You know, I don't talk to people like that. I don't I don't think people should talk to people like that. You know, this guy was in the middle of battle. And, you know, the stuff he says, you know, it's like he can't let your kids listen to you. You can't let your mom listen to it. You know, but it's, it's the heat of battle and people say some crazy things. And he's like ex-military. I mean, he's, he's hanging out with a boys club for a long time. So this stuff is probably, you know, what he says? But, you know, he was in Southern and Springs and he believes the events in Southern and Springs didn't happen. And he didn't believe that any people died. And so he's been chasing that fairly aggressively to the point of where he will take a bullhorn. And this man has, has had a hundred thousand dollars in silver for about three years now that he's been trying to give away to anybody who can produce a death certificate for about the last 40 events. And so this guy, I've seen it. I mean, I've seen him. I know him for about, you know, eight months now, nine months, possibly. And he's been trying to give this money away. And nobody takes it. And that's the, that's a really crazy question. Those are those, those are the things you guys will probably want to ask yourselves is how can somebody in America, even if their kid died, I would take the guy's money and shut him up. I would be done, give the death certificate, take the money, and, you know, then put him on front street after that. Nobody has. And so he had a hundred thousand dollars and he's screaming it out on a bullhorn. Does anybody dies? Anybody die here? Well, vice, which is a pretty much a CIA controlled operation, I believe. You know, it's at least in the matrix of web, like we're talking about. But you know, they, they had a huge setup. You know, he, he decided he was going to run an interview at this place. He'd already been told to get off of or get away from, from the cops and from, you know, Texas Rangers, that kind of things. He decided it was a good idea to have that interview there. And you know, if you're sitting there fighting this war, you're trying to expose these people and, you know, he's kind of where he wants to be at the moment. And so during this vice interview, Pomeroy, who he had never seen before, steps out of a car and he like looks and it was, you know, it's the most awkward thing you can ever see is, is that was the time they've brought Pomeroy out. They had to have him there to basically say, get off my land. Well, Pomeroy is the pastor. Yes, Pomeroy is the pastor. And up at this point, they'd never seen him like face to face like this. And so, and he just hopped out of the car during that vice interview, advice just happens to be their catch and that, you know, shot of a century. And, you know, no, how could you ever time something like that? And they had five Texas constanoples. I guess they are the guys that wouldn't be in southern springs that were around the corner. They said they heard sirens in 30 seconds. And basically that was it. And so they arrested him at that time for trespassing. He had a marijuana and he also had, it was, I don't know, the unpatriotic one, whatever it is like, you know, attacking somebody of that sort. So anyway, they, they, they, he went in and it was a tremendous, right? trespassing. And then there was another one. It was, I can't remember. It was a bad one. It was like making, you know, un whatever comments or something like that. So anyway, he goes, he goes and gets arrested. They take all of his video footage and they start going through his GoPro video footage. And in the GoPro footage footage, she's talking about his guns and putting it under the seat and various things like this. And so then they take this and they're on the indictment. It was like the department, Homeland Security. There was like big, massive government agencies that were all in together looking over this stuff. And then they came and he had been gettin