JIM FETZER "The Raw Deal"(2-9-20) Diane King,Jim Rizoli,Fred Leuchter

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We're going to get back to your roast. When you attend the funeral, it is sad to think that sooner or later those you love will do the same for you. And you may have thought it's tragic not to mention other adjectives to think of all the we think they will do. But don't you worry, no more ashes, no more sackball, and an arm band made of black cloth, will someday never more adore asleep, or if the bomb that drops on you gets your friends and neighbors to you. There'll be nobody left behind to breathe, and we will all go together when we go. What a comforting fact that is to know, universe, so the reason and time is firing achievement. Yes, we all will go together when we go. We will all go together when we go. All subdued with an incandescent blow. No one will have the endurance to collect time, dis insurance, rights of wonder will be loaded when they go. We will all cry together when we cry. We'll be friends, right? Potatoes by and by. There will be no more misery, but the world is our road to misery. Yes, we all will cry together when we cry. We will all think together when we think. There'll be nobody presence at the weight. Or if we participate in that grand incineration, nearly three billion hunts of well done steak, we will all go together when we go. And let there be no owning of the bar, just to sing out, but to be on when you see that I see the end. And the party will be in comment. Come as you are indeed. Today I have a truly exceptional program for you. I could not be more delighted. Most have heard the phrase that history is a pack of lies that will live in pain upon the dead. Well, there are groups of very serious students of history who want to set the record straight. They are known as historical revisions. And it is my great pride and honor to have free of that variety with me today. A Dianne King, Jim Rosoli and Fred Lukter, who have done massive research on World War II, and been very active in debunking mythology related there too. Dianne, I would like you to introduce the League of Extraordinary Revisions, which you are the three principles. I was the only one in the paramount. I was the only one in the paramount. The name, the concept I just created by Fred. And he came up with it with the Characan Henry movie, League of Extraordinary Dome, and he just did a slight change on it. And he was the first member and founding father, if you will. And he was the one that led us to Four Fawn and Muteu, but it just kind of just opened up the whole realm of the old core. And we have, we have very grateful to Fred for introducing us to be very significant individual. And the purpose of this is to try to get on the record. These gentlemen and women's story, as best as we can, despite our efforts we failed in some respect. But not for lack of efforts. And so we are getting their story, as I'm saying, regarding the German survivors of allied property, their story their way. Yes, yes, very good. Jim, would you like to say a few words by way of introduction to? My name is Jim Zoy, and my client is Diane. We are very much involved in historical visions of revisitism, especially dealing with the Holocaust issue. And I just want to make a point about how Fred came into our life. Because I've been studying the Holocaust for about 25 years. And I never knew, I knew about Fred obviously, because I read all his information. But once you know that Diane kind of found Fred, he only lived about 20 miles away from me. And we can't deny Diane got in touch with Fred. We got together and we found great friends. And now we share the information that he has, he has really opened up to the world. This Fred is a very important person to the Holocaust revisionist, because he is the one that was appointed by Zundel to go to Auschwitz and he was a few other camps to actually look at these camps to find out that these buildings that were there in those camps were used as homo style gas chains. And Fred wanted to ask, you know, knowing nothing really about the topic, you know, because you know, what was there before? And he did his investigation and he came back and presented his case to the Zundel Tremail, showing that the buildings in Auschwitz and these other camps did not support the fact that they could shoot people with homo style gas chains. Jim, I'm very, very familiar with Fred's extraordinarily important work. Robert Forasson is well documented. The trials of Earth's Zundel, they occurred at two parts, the most significant aspect of the first trial, that the prosecution could not produce a single witness who could swear to having seen anyone go to death in a gas chamber. The second, which was completely sensational because of the look to report, that the third of my guest today authored, as you say, traveled to Europe, went to Germany, visited a variety of camps, brought back samples and studies. He was the leading expert on gas chambers in the United States, very well chosen for this role. Fred, I can't tell you how glad I am to have you here. I have a Pantheon of heroes. They include Mohamed Ali, Bill Russell, Jack Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, and intellectually you and a very small number of others, including Nick Kohlerstrom, who of course has this brilliant new book, Breaking the Spell, for which I was honored to write the introduction. Fred, it's just a great profound personal honor for me to have you here on the show today. Thank you very much for your pleasure and honor for me to be here with you. How did they react? Yeah, I mean, it's just so wonderful. Ernst Zundell was, of course, a very prominent political figure in Canada that was even the possibility he could have become prime minister, but because he was unwilling to compromise himself about the Holocaust, he wound up being prosecuted for it. Perhaps you could tell us a bit about the trial and how you became involved. Yes, I knew there was a trial, a first-sundell trial. I knew what had happened, and I knew a new trial had been scheduled, and most of that was from reading the spotlight here in the United States. I wasn't aware that I was going to be involved in the second trial, but as you know, Robert Morrison had told Ernst Zundell that the only way we're going to do anything here is we've got to find an expert. The only places that any experts are in the United States. So he contacted me, well, he first contacted various prison wardens, and he got referrals. Everybody pointed to me, and Bill Amantrow, who was the warden, and the commissioner of the Department of Correction in Missouri, he would be prime wonder that he had been talking with. And at any rate, Robert Morrison contacted me and made an appointment, and came down and met me here in Revere at his hotel. And he said, how much do you know about the Holocaust? And I said, well, I said, only what I've read and such. He said, well, you believe there were gas chambers, and they murdered a lot of Jews in these gas chambers. And I said, I imagine so. I said, because that's the only information that I was pretty do at that point. And so he went back and saw Ernst the next day, and he said, we got a problem. He said, I saw Fred Blutcher, but he believes in the Holocaust. So. And said, bring him up. So they brought me up. And they fed me a lot of material. And I told Ernst, I said that I would be more than happy to go. My prime reason for doing that were because I believe that Ernst had a right to think and say what he wished. It's called freedom of thought and freedom of speech. He also had a right to the best trial and best defense he could muster in that trial. As any citizen of the world does. He's got a right to defend himself and do the best you can. So at any rate, I was given a lot of material. I started with Butts's book. And I had, I was given a ton of material that he had digested and less than a week. And I became an expert on, on most of the written material on the Holocaust in a very short time. And the interesting thing was I told Ernst that if I can, when I go there, if those things were gas chambers, I'm going to report them as gas chambers. If they don't have anything there that are present gas chambers, but they could have been gas chambers, I'm going to report that back. And, and said to me, you do that. He said, I know what you're going to find when you get there. Well, it was right. When I got there, we had a fairly large party. And they brought me out to the, to the alleged gas chamber at, at, at, at Auschwitz. I went into the gas chamber and I looked at the people I was with. And I said, okay, with the gas chamber. They said, you're in it. And I said, cut the joke. Where's the gas chamber? You're in it. This is the gas chamber. This isn't any gas chamber. It's a, it's a brick room. And I, you know, I said, you guys got to be kidding. At that point, I mean, there was a revelation here. There was no gas chamber. And then I went on, on to look at, at, at Birkenau, and went on to look at my Donnic. And the results were the same. And I came back. I took samples. I reported a such. And I've been fighting with the Jews ever since. Well, we know well that the source of, of Israeli or Jewish political power is a western sense of guilt over the Holocaust, which is the reason why they take extraordinary efforts to suppress any discussion or debate. What, however, on my book, and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either, now in a second edition was banned by Amazon.com, not because of debunking the moon landing, for which there's a mountain of evidence, but 30 bunking the Holocaust, the ADL, asked Amazon to ban any book. That disputed the official narrative of the Holocaust. Fred and they banned over 2,000 books, including mine. So that, with this little publishing company I found it after Amazon banned my first book, my series editor Mike Palachek and I, moon rock books. We've, as of today, published 12 volumes, where I specialize in collective or collaborative research, bringing the best experts on different aspects that we case together and then publishing the results. I've done this on J.F.K. 9-11, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing. They have banned six of our 12 books, Fred. I mean, this is a state of freedom of speech and freedom of the President of the United States. And none is done with greater vigor and determination than any contest of the Holocaust mythology. But I've noticed. Now Fred, now Fred, maybe you can explain to Jim after all of this in the trials and the United presentation and the loop the reports, the four loop the reports, what happened to your life after that? They turned my life into a hell. They charged the biolicum plate and I would charge for the crime here in Massachusetts, and I would say that the practice thing is an engineer without a license, something which isn't required. None of the people who work at our space program, none of the most engineers aren't licensed. Only engineers that work with blueprints for construction purposes, where they have to stamp and certify a blueprint and the building that the blueprint is used for, is safe. But nevertheless, I went through a trial in Walden. They threatened seven lawyers, and which I allowed to go out and fortunately I was able to get Kirk Lyons, who you probably know he's a southern attorney. He came up to defend me. The judge that we had knew me personally and the funny part is I knew everybody at the court house because I've been in Walden all these years. And as someone that makes execution equipment, police, you're all friendly, the court officers were friendly and such. At any rate, the judge took Kirk Lyons and Kirk normally you have to have a, if you're out of state and not licensed in that state, you require to have co counsel. It is license. Right. I couldn't get a license to turn me. So Kirk was allowed to practice. And he was the only attorney that was ever allowed to practice in Massachusetts that was not licensed without being anchored by a state attorney. Yes. And at any rate, the judge was very solicitous and complimentary. He actually told Kirk what the state constitution required, explained to him what he would need in his brief. So I expect we expect that I was going to clearly get acquittled finally, but the day that it came, he shook his head and he says no counselor. I'm going to have to find your client guilty. So he said, unless you want to appeal it. And I told Kirk, I says we only had 90 days to appeal us to superior court for already three years into this thing. I said, we're not going to be able to appeal us. And Kirk said, imagine that to the judge and the judge said, oh, he said, I'll wave the statutory time period. And he did. He kicked it upstairs. Unfortunately, I got a lady judge that had some backbone. And she stood up to them. She said, his case does not want to go to trial. It's a hot potato. She said, I don't want to hear it. And the district attorney refused to come. She's written, had the district attorney brought to the court. And she said, said this case now. Well, they finally did. And we, we, we, there was a signed agreement. And the Jews lie about what the content of the agreement was. They say I was, I was on probation. The agreement is called a legally term to pretrial probation. And probation is a promise. It's a promise from both sides. There were three people involved. The district attorney, myself and the engineering board. The engineering board was required to license me if I applied for license, which I did not. I don't want the state looking over my show. So that eliminated that. The other things where I had the promise, never to say I was a licensed engineer, but two years. Well, I never said I was a licensed engineer in the birthplace. And I was proud of the fact that I wasn't a licensed engineer. So that took care of the second one. And so, as I said, that's how it ended. The Jews, the district attorney's office, we released information, portions of it. After the, there was a requirement that nothing be released. But they're released in any way. Yeah, but they only released parts of it. Yeah, the parts that were disadvantageous are unflattering to you undoubtedly. It's like a logic called an undistributed middle. You got something here that's a down bed, but they didn't tell you what it meant. Yes. Yes. So whether there were counter-failing evidence that was even more powerful in persuasive. Right. But at any rate, so for two years, I couldn't say what I never wanted to say in the first place. And that ended that problem. But it, they were riots in front of the courthouse. There was a gentleman who came out from, from Salem, I believe. He was a Hungarian freedom fighter. He came over in the, in the 60s from Hungary. And he, he didn't like Jews. He didn't like harmonies because in his mind and understanding, they were the same thing. And he burnt an Israeli flag in front of the courthouse. Well, the JDL was out there and there was a big melee. The police had a way to in and break everything up. And they arrested this Hungarian freedom fighter and brought him into court. And he asked that my attorney represented before the judge. Well, the correct couldn't do that. He said he had a cup to be. And asked me would you have a problem with it? I said, no, I don't have any problem. Go for it. So he brought the, he went before the judge of the man and the JDL and the district attorney. They wanted to press against this man for banning an Israeli flag. And the judge said, let me get this straight. He said the Supreme Court is ruled that it's freedom of speech to burn an American flag. And he says, you want me to make a decision on this man who burnt an Israeli flag? He says get out of this courtroom now and take him with you. Period. That was the end of that. Well done. Well done. Well done. We need more jurors of that caliber today. Right. Frankly, there's a girth of them. But the problem was he didn't back me up because he should have found me not guilty. Yeah. And he was threatened. Yes. The same is the original court magistrate who issued the complaint against me. He said to me when I went in, after the hearing, he asked me to stay behind. He said, Fred, he said, I'm afraid of this. He said, I don't want to get caught in the middle. He said, I'm going to issue the complaint, but he said, I'll let the court take care of it. He says there's actually no way they can convict you on this. But we know what happened. But, you know, since then, I mean, they they fire upon my house. Fire upon your house. Yes. I had to deal with two mousad agents that were following me around. I finally confronted them at gunpoint here in Maldon. And he's too very dark swarvy in the leasing gentleman that was the rent of limo. When he rolled a window down, I stuck my flighting by about against his nose. And I asked him what he wanted. Fred, I love it. I love it. You backed up took some form, four man spends out in front of his house and took off. I never saw them again, but I was advised through my cousin from the man who was the highest uniform person in the mass state police. We used to play with this gentleman and only children. And he said, I can't call Fred myself because he said it wouldn't be proper. He says the given message. He said, we've been advised by the state department and the CIA that there's two CIA agents involved in. And he said, I don't know what they're doing. Well, I didn't know who was following around until that point. And I was licensed to carry a fire out. They certainly went, went license even to be here. And I figured that they wouldn't want to hassle and they didn't want to hassle. They just took off turned tail and run. So when he was referred to CIA, they were actually mousad. They were mousad agents. Yeah. The CIA advised the state police and Massachusetts that they were here. As mousad agents, I did. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, but, uh, well, you already were a hero in my book. Fred, this is only further confirms it. Jim, this guy, I think from a scientific point of view, is a single most important figure indeed, bunting the mythology of World War II. This guy right here with a stout, Jim, would you have a quick? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Fred, like I said, Fred, if it wasn't for Fred going there, and doing his investigation, and coming back and hearing about that investigation. Yeah. And coming back, I mean, we would not have known that these rooms that they said were used as gas chambers. They couldn't have been gas chambers. And it's just amazing that the Jews just can't get their minds around us. And they have to keep continuing to spread the lies that the Jews gasped in these gas chambers. Yeah. But it's because it's from propaganda purposes. It's the bolster, the political influence of Israel and its representatives worldwide. I mean, we had a former minister of Israel. I think he was a minister of justice who admitted during an interview that it's a trick in America. If we are a criticize, we say it's anti-Semitism in Europe. If we're a criticize, we talk about the Holocaust. So this is something they do. It's a policy. It's totally independent of facts. It's not your evidence. I have a unique position that places me totally out of their reach. I mean, they could kill me. They can fireball my house. They can do nasty things to me. But there's no, I have no peers. Nobody can get at me. And question whether or not I know what I'm talking about. There's no conflict with experts on gas chambers that counter you. And there is no one. And I always tell them that I have no peers. I like the pope. When I speak on the Holocaust. The pope can ask the chambers. I speak extathedra. I'm unjudgable. Diane, you know, there were so many reasons why anyone who studied this, why anyone who studied the map of Auschwitz knew there were oddities. Not just a swimming pool, which could be said to be only for the guards. There was a big woodworking shop. There was a symphony hall. There was a hospital with OB-GYN facilities. In fact, I say the simplest argument to debunk the whole idea is that hundreds of babies were born in these camps. And during World War II, hundreds of babies. Three thousand were born in Auschwitz. Three thousand. Now, the last I heard, there's this process called gestation that takes more than a few minutes or a few hours or a few days. So obviously they had a lot of pregnant prisoners for a long period of time. And instead of exterminating lives, they were producing new ones. Right. There are two issues regarding Auschwitz that are often immundously overlooked. One, of course, when they talk about the burning kids is the high water tables and Auschwitz. It does not allow for digging probably below five feet. Okay, that's one thing. The high water table beneath the Auschwitz. Very good. Very good. Very good. The thing is that you only hear, I heard this, and they have been called in it. Other people who have visited is herrendous fly issue. Or they don't have any flies. No, no, no, no, no. Fly flies. You're talking about. I was a kind of biting, but I don't say it was called. Oh, but, but sometime a biting fly. But yeah, this little problem with fly unbelievable. The only thing for it's I've heard of that was like what? Your answer, me? No, the reason why Diane brought that up is when they were talking about publica. Nobody in any of the discussion of the camps and the people who were witnesses supposedly in those camps talked about the flies. And yet when David McCall had went to the publica, he was being bit by flies all over the place because it's a very sandy region. And the flies like to sand the something. And I don't know what went on there. But he just brought, he was always smacking his legs and hit himself because the flies, he says, how come nobody talked about the flies? That's very interesting. Fred, you were saying how when they took in this first room, and it was with just brick walls, I mean, you asked where was the gas chamber. I mean, obviously, part of that bricks are poor as they couldn't retain gas. You can have a pressure containment. I mean, tell us more about the technical reasons why it was so obvious to you as an expert that this, if this was being presented as a gas chamber, was a joke. Now, they were wooden doors with holes in them. So people that you could look in and stick your fingers through. The gas, there was no door between the gas chamber and a crematory area. And of course, the gas is highly explosive. None of the light lighting fixes were explosive food. I mean, the place was just a nut house. If you used it for gas chamber, you probably would have killed yourself or blown yourself up. If you actually had a gas, they were claiming Zyclon B, which actually was being used to delouse the prisoners to kill body lights. So they wouldn't spread typists and dysentery because these were labor camps and you can't get work out of a corpse. Right. Jim, I want to show you something. This is a crematory because nobody in the whole world has this. Okay. And Fred turned over all his information to Diane and I at this point that hold on to when he went to Auschwitz, all his little bag of tricks, all the tools he used, like Fred did to give us. This is the original flashlight and his hammer and his pick and all that. These are the tools he used and here are the samples that he took off the walls in Auschwitz and Berkitt. Well, probably Berkitt, right Fred? Most likely Berkitt out these. And are you telling me they showed no signs of gas absorption? No signs of psychomy and these things. Burma Rudolph has been very good at noting how the interaction between the cyanide and the walls would have turned them blue. And the only rooms that have any blue residue with those that were used for delousing. Not the purported gas chambers. No blue, no blue on these, like Fred. No. It also should be noted that they turn around and they say we execute people with hydrogen cyanide gas in the United States. So why can't we use it in Europe? Well, the problem is that because what they used in Europe was a pesticide in the other execution gas. In the United States, we generate our gas onsite under the chair. We have a 7% solution of sulfuric acid. And under the chair is a butterfly, which turns like this. And they put sodium cyanide pellets on the butterfly. When they begin the execution, they dump the pellets into the into the into the butterflies, like made of metal or something. I mean, you're talking about a real butterfly, but something you shape. It's called a butterfly is a mechanism. It's just a show. The term. That's what I call the butterfly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At any rate, at any rate, you need a lot of gas. In the chamber and the chamber is generally small because they're over concentrated. And you want to you don't want to dilute. Next to you want to pull them into history. You can dispatch the fellow's passage. You can't. It's got to be air tight so you don't kill the wrong people. But now let's jump to to Europe. They use like on B, which is. It comes from the factory. It's a pesticide. It's chart pellets that are chopped up and they generate the gas and they absorb the gas into the chart pellets. One can of that was dumped into a basket that was just the same size as the can. Now, this not it doesn't generate a lot of gas. It only doesn't the small amount of gas in the area with their with their force, forcing it with audio. They're through clothing because they were delozing the clothing. Now the gas. The. An auto for the gas to sublimate and come out of the chalk. You have to have a hot blow. It has to be in excess of 80 degrees. It blows through causes the gas to become gas. And then it's blown through the clothing. They went in none of these facilities at any of the execution locations. However, they all had delozing facilities. They all had a furnace, hot air, a basket where they dumped the strike on B pellets. And so it's not even the same thing that was made so it could be handled easily for. Personal hygiene maintaining the hygiene of the instruments. Now that the I didn't decide I was extremely poisoned. I can't handle like on B pellets. I'm going to get sick and probably died. They have SS man up on the roof throwing pellets down through holes in the roof. In in in a burglar. They made it a little fancier. They built the wire cage. And they threw the stuff down into the wire cage. But it really didn't make any difference because not of these facilities were heated. They were marks. And a Polish wreath that is cold. The building is probably 20 degrees, 18 degrees. It got to be 80 degrees in order to subordinate the gas. So the gas isn't going anywhere. And they turn on say we had a lot of people in the room. They heat up the room. It doesn't heat up the room that much. I mean, that's just the mood. Yeah. I mean, as a result, there's no way to get the gas to subordinate. The underclad of the laws of thermodynamics with highly restricted. There's no way to get the gas through the room. You remember, I don't even think you could have blown the gas with a blow it through the room. Because they had so many people allegedly in the room that each person had one foot. It was standing remotely. Yeah. Well, through people. Yeah. The gas never would have sublimated. And you might have killed two people standing on top of the pellets. But they're their own story in a way with self-defeating because it created conditions that would have made it impossible. From mass extermination. The problem that they had is they they needed to hire someone like me. When they started the story. Because all they did was was come up with stupid things that were logical. Creative community, but Fred, they were taking advantage of the ignorance of the general population, which is. So, scientifically and historically massively illiterate. I mean, just not knowing a from Z. But they thought they could get away with this. Yeah. And as destruction of the European Jewish, he talks about a handling equipment that was made. You could hear it running. They made these huge blow a wheel out of wood. And I mean, the gas would soak into the wood and everything would be criminally poisoned. You know, I mean, you don't make air handling equipment out of wood. Wood, hygroscopic. It's like I'm not a slicker. You make it out of metal. So, infashioning these big lies, they didn't know enough to get it even remotely plausible. So, you walk into the room and you say, where's the gas chambers? They say, you're in it. You say, this is a joke. Yeah. That was my fault. You're kidding. You're kidding. I was. Or think of crematorium located next to the gas chamber. Yeah. Tell us more, Diane. Yeah. I was asking Fred, is it sort of issue, at least with some degree of flammability, to put your pie in his teeth, distributors next to a building that has possible employment inflammatory problems? It's very flammable. And the gas would adjust, walked out into the crematorium. How convenient. You're going to kind of both of the same time. They never even thought about what they were saying. They thought because they were who they were, they could get away with it. We defeated the Germans. Nobody's going to defend the Germans. So we can say all kinds of things. Yeah. See that they they they have this story so screwed up because no one has ever seen a gas chamber, a real live gas chamber and these camps. But they confuse everybody because they they make it look like the crematoriums were gas chambers. The mugs were cracked gas chambers and the fumigation chambers were gas chambers. And so since the dumb boys don't know anything, they just believe what anybody would say. Oh, there's a crematorium. Oh, that's a gas chamber. Yeah, that's not it. Yeah, there's a fumigation chamber. Oh, that's a gas chamber. Yeah, for life, not for you. Right, right, right. And of course the international committee of the Red Cross was keeping very detailed records about the age, the sexy ethnicity, the religion, the cause of death of everyone who died at any of the camps. In 1993, they did a recalibration. And the total from all the camps combined was 296,081. None of whom died from being put to death in a gas chamber. They were doing an end to the keep of the line. Right, right, to make more work. I mean, that was the whole idea to help the third right more effort. The interesting thing was when I got to the how I went my second trip and I went with a large party that I had for us and with me, I had mocked women and we had quite a crew. And I'm inspecting the gas chamber, the alleged gas chamber in in the how and you know, that's the place where they got these these these 10 shower heads that there's nothing there's no pitch cards. But they have a delivery system is it must have been decorations from what they were. They were high pressure steam lines that weren't insulated. So it was a lot of guard arch. It would have blown the place up, but they use gas. But the interesting thing was, Ernst said me. I took I took measurements of the whole place and Ernst gave me a copy of the of the congressional record because immediately after after liberating the camp. Eisenhower called the senators and the Democrats over to see the gas chain. They showed them this terrible thing that the Germans were using. Well, now of course, everybody admits, including the Jews, there was no there never was a gas thing at at. However, I got the the congressional record and Congress is useless for a lot of things, but one thing they are good at is creating paperwork and documentation. You know, they will document anything and they are and I got I got measurements that myself and my draftsman took where making drawings of this alleged jazz. But nothing matches the drawings and nothing matches the dimensions that the congressional record has. So I'm scratching my head and I said, well, they held it this come from her. He said, I don't know. He said, wait a minute. He says, hold on a minute. He went and he went to his archives. We brought back a newspaper story. There were two American soldiers that happened to be caught in this and immediately after the camp was taken. They were sent in and they built a gas chamber out of wood, plaster and paper. That was the gas chamber. Eisenhower had it specifically. It was a mock, but it was a Hollywood prop. That was the gas chamber that they showed Congress. You can see that you can see the respect that Eisenhower had the Congress. That's embarrassing though that I himself would either play a longer play the game. That's just embarrassing. Right. So now they took the mentions. Okay. And they reported it. Then after everybody left, they sent in a real construction crew and they built another gas chamber. Only this time they didn't follow the measurements that they had for the old one. So I got to know that there's an inconsistency. That's what I spotted. I said, what the hell's going on? You know, when you do it a job, you do the job right. That includes drawings, measurements and everything. Yes, yes, yes. And if you're supposed to simulate that gas chamber with those dimensions and make it better, you want to have those dimensions. Right. Now the interesting thing is that the gas chamber would work. That's what they that's what the story says. It was never used, however. Now, but why wasn't it used? Well, the reason was because they they felt it was better sending the people that were going to be executed. To what? To mode house and that's another concentration. Oh, yeah. Okay. Right. Right. They had this big alleged gas chamber at that. Now when I get into the gas chamber at mode house. It's a four by eight room with steam pipes in it. Now, why would they take a room that's 20 by 30 feet where they could take at least at 400, 500 people in it, right? That's the way they packed them in like that. But I should put it for the oil, I guess. But when I got into a mountain, I got a room that you can only put 20 people in. Now, why would they take this big excellent gas chamber that they just did and not use it and send everybody to mountain. Where they got a few where they got to shoot on how many more times would they have to go through the process. Right. Right. And that wasn't the gas chamber either. When I was fifteen, when I was fifteen, I was on a bicycle tour of Europe through Siha, a student international traffic, you know, Uthausels, Castle. And when we got to Germany, the day we were supposed to visit Dachau, I was not well. And I didn't go. And I'm so regretted that the one site I miss was the gas chamber. because then I could have shared with you my personal observations at that time from having been there. Very disappointed. Here's a book I talked about they banned and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either and I put on the back cover when I discovered a next book, a photograph of the UK soccer team in Auschwitz looking very fit and spiffy. I mean, I'm telling you, all you have to do is look at that photograph and you know the whole thing was bullshit. We have one more facility that we have to deal with. Hot-Hung Castle in Austria. Yes, tell us. That place had a closet that was 4x8 which was supposedly a gas chamber. A closet, a 4x8 closet. A closet, yeah. Actually a walk-in closet, they're claiming to be a gas chamber. That's right. There was a wall and everything was perfect and you could tell it hadn't been touched for a hundred years. I mean, you can't even say they had a hole in the wall with a gas room, it would throw it in or something. I mean, it was ridiculous. That was the last gas chamber. Except of course, Treblanker and some of these transit camps that weren't gas chambers in the first place and the only reason they pointed them now is because they got nothing left. So now they're saying that they were all torn down and there's nothing there and they send in a crew of Israeli people to dig. This is supposed to be archaeologists. Oh, archaeologists, oh yeah. I'm really, I'm really professionally done too. And they found a bunch of bones. Yeah, I'm bet they did. And then it turns out that they won't even, the bones won't even, they won't even, they won't. I'm sure. That in Buenos Aires was, I was flown down twice to get lectures on JFK and 9-11 and the Israelis pulled two wops that they wanted to blame on the Iranians because Argentina had assisted Iran and the development of the peaceful use of nuclear energy. So they had a, they blew up the Israeli embassy and killed about two dozen people. They claimed it was a car bomb, but it blew out from the inside out, right? And that didn't get enough attention. So a couple of years later, they blew up the Jewish community center and it killed 84 people. And everyone said, well, again, it was a car bomb. They said, well, where's the car? Well, it blew itself into the ground. So what did they do? They brought in an Israeli expert and would you believe he found one part of the car, the Vib. I mean, this is absurd, you know. Oh my God, the vehicle identification number that was just a one party finds, it would be on belief. Right. Well, it's a same thing with 9-11. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know, obviously it had to be some rural element that was flying these airplanes because, I mean, we saw the airplane hit the building. He wants to talk about the pops of smoke and the control of the abolition as it came down. But the interesting thing was that all aircraft, all military aircraft were grounded for an exercise by Vice President Cheney. And yes, you know, they could have got those airplanes. Now the airplanes didn't know all the damage, but the point is that they had to have something to point to it. They had to have the airplanes and do any of the damage because they weren't real airplanes. They were images of airplanes. They were projected from another plane using what's known as airborne holographic projector. I've done a huge amount on 9-11. At any rate, at any rate, everything was grounded. Right, right, except of course. There could be no interference. Except they flew the Saudi family out on a, you know, that worked grounded oddly enough. Now, but I'm talking about military aircraft. Yeah, no, I know, but all the commercial were grounded too. Two military aircraft did respond though. They came from Massachusetts because Massachusetts has its own airports and its own army that I'm federally regulated. They don't have any money. And although they're not governor swift, our lady governor that they complained that she was getting helicopter rides from the home and western magic fact, she was the one that sent the airplanes down. And I give her credit because they arrived a few minutes late and they arrived late because they were, they were rooted by the tower at Kennedy over New Jersey and they had to come in the other way. But the point was, the point was, they, and Jenny was, he was tearing when he found out that Massachusetts did that. He would have liked to cut out a funding off, but he found out it wasn't there. It was air force. A lot of just lying in bed reading the paper and drinking a cup of coffee when our daughter had braided in Florida called set turn on the TV. And of course, the North Tower was smoking and then you had this presumptive yet, but nobody could actually see the plane. And when the buildings came down, I said to myself, I mean, I remember this so clearly that was obviously, think. I mean, something had happened there that was not a collapse. It wasn't even possible. But I said to myself, I'll never be in a position to do anything about it. And then when I went up years later in 2005 and December, I was in a conference call with about 15 to 20 really good people all over Europe and the world. And it occurred to me, might be a good idea to found a society that would bring together all these experts from around the world. And I found it scholars for 9-11 truth. And I had, by the end of 2006, we had 800 members and four different categories. Highlets, businesses, engineers, aeronautical, structural, mechanical, chemical, it was fascinating. We really took off like a rocket. We had a website which I managed, we sponsored lectures, organized conferences. I put out press releases, posted videos. I mean, it was really sensational. So I got very, very deeply involved. Yeah, Diane, I've been wanting to get back on the subject. Yes, yes. I would like to know more of your construction of the Lutheran report and how it affected the Zulu's truck. I remember that. Yes, absolutely. 100%. Right. I remember David Irving said as a result of reading, it changed the blinds, it turned them all around until we got to Bad Jews to perfect. Anyway, if you could, talk about the Lutheran report. Now, this was the most important development in the history of research on World War 2. Right there. Well, I know it, that's what changed David Irving's opinion. Yeah. I don't know what changed his mind again. I think it was his time in jail and I think like many of people they've been threatened. I mean, he's come back to affirm the Holocaust. No. Well, he affirms the Holocaust, but there was limited gassing. He and Mark Weber talk about limited gassing in these transit camps. And he should know better, but David Irving is a publicity hand. And I don't think he likes to be abused because the fact that he was abused, affected was in jail, cut his income down. And that was his income. And the West part of his, he's a good researcher and he's an expert on what he does. He was the one that determined that the Hitler diary in a few years ago was a fraud. Yes. So I mean, he's good at what he does, but I think he's been threatened and he's been damaged. I don't know what happened to Mark Weber. In the infrate diary too, I take it was clearly a fabrication as well. Yes. I mean, they put together many different streams and put up all these Holocaust museums all over the place and were supposed to be deferential. And anyone who challenges is supposed to be some kind of bad person. I mean, it's like it's a moral deficiency to exercise your intelligence in relation to available evidence. Jim, your thoughts. I just want to say, what happened here? Did you see it? We got you. Oh, I can't see. Well, I can't see. But that's the way. I can't see. We'll see you guys. Okay. I got to know. When I get confronted by people about the Holocaust because they say, I mean, I'd say I'm a Holocaust denied, but I just want to get people straight on that. I deny the fact that the Jews say they were made into soap. They were made into lampshades. They were made into lunch meets and sausages and leather goods and all these other things. That's what I deny. And I deny that six million of them died. I deny they died. And homicide was just in the, you know, killing these people with a film again with a bug spray. I didn't see all this. You see? A Holocaust deny because I deny stupid things. Right. We don't deny. Lots of Jews died in the war. Millions of people died. It was a horrible thing. I'm very specific in my introduction to Nick's book, which is also a book. It was also published independently. The Holocaust narrative, politics, Trump science, that three theses I denied that there were six million Jews who were put to death in gas chambers, second, using Psyclon B. And I go through and debunk each of the three. And then, you know, the core of the myth is dispatched thereby. But there's a whole lot of other residual horrors. No one is denying that World War II was a ghastly affair. And that a lot of brutality and atrocities were committed. But just not that particular variation. In fact, it turns out a six million has no empirical or scientific or historical foundation. 236 references to six million Jews and diastrates are afraid of loss of their lives are found in the international press prior to the Neuromberg Tribunals beginning as early as 1890. Obviously, having nothing to do with World War II. And where it all appears to be derivative of a disputed passage in Lefitticus, interpreted to mean that the chosen people can return to the promised land only when there are minus six million who have been consumed in the flames. But even that requires interpolation because there was no word in the original Hebrew for six million. But that appears to be the basis theology, not history. Right. The whole of class is religious. Oh, that's what it is. It's a dogma. Yeah, it's a dogma. Right. It's not even, it has nothing to do with logistics. It has to do with religious. It's a religious questioning state. Right. Without rejection. And we have to swallow it. Hey, Fred, I want to just go under this right now because since you're catching here, there's been some discussion that some people think that you didn't like the whole loop to report. I wrote the entire letter. I don't know why, but Gammai Rudolph made some comment on some program before that he was told by Robert Farrison that Farrison wrote the report and I put my name on, which totally is not true. Robert Farrison, he's one of our brightest stars in heaven, but he was an expert in other areas. He wouldn't know how to build a gas chamber at all. He knew where to get the information though. Right, right. And he wrote wonderfully, very impressed guy. I've got two of his essays now in the second edition of the book, which is still available at moonrockbooks.com. By the way, this is actually my favorite of the 12 books we published. This is my favorite. Let me ask the three of you, would you be up for taking calls from our audience today? Because we're almost, does that work for him? Good, good, good. Okay, but my historical revisionist extraordinaire are welcome to take your calls, the number to call in 5403524452. I repeat the call in number 5403524452 to speak to Diane King or Jim Rosola or Fred look there. This is an extraordinary opportunity. You don't want to miss. I am so delighted to have the three of you here as my guest. This is just a great day for me, Diane. And I mentioned something. You mentioned Robert Fordson and also the context of David Coles. David Coles was threatened. I don't buy it. Diane, hold that thought. We'll turn to that when we come back from this break. You have about five minutes. Yeah, we're going to walk around for a while. Okay, I'll probably do the same thing, my knees and get some stiff. Hey Fred, can we get that number to Barbara? It was five four-year-old Jim. You might want to be a president's going out over the air. Well, our friend hasn't been able to log in. So can we get that number? To call in. Yeah, call it. 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Sometimes you have to tighten the card of your larger extra than last time You should take a last-minute mentoring. revisionists extorted in their Diane you wanted to make a point before we bring in our first call or go right ahead. Thank you absolutely. I understand to turn it that not experientially only a small scale compared to what David Irving, David Cole and Alva Markweber is kind of going along, it along going along kind of guy in this situation. They complain about the abuse, the beatings, the disenfranchisances, the financing of themselves, and they recant it as a result. But I know one person who went through the exact same thing in fact as a litigation tell his death in four different cases, the Robert Forson never recanted, never went back on his story to the very end he may have gained and he suffered almost to death beating and they came after him and was gun to blame. Brances and very unfurling to deny it. He can't see the conference in Iran and they got all sorts of bad energy because of that because it was a revisionist conference with Oscar Dona-Dab and so but Professor Forson never ever recanted, it can be done and because they didn't do it, you're not supposed to really shouldn't say well you know they were beaten and they were threatened and they were financially more accused. If your rational and objective and have no agenda, I think it's impossible to resist the conclusion that what we've been told about World War II is just a monstrous deception for political purposes to benefit the founding of Israel and Israeli political influence in the world today especially. Once you know the truth, how can you turn to your back on it? I don't know. Of course, no I agree completely. We do have our first caller from the 702 Erie Coat caller, please give us your first name in your state and join the conversation. Hey Jim John Nemes here in Las Vegas. Oh, wait for me. I'm so glad you suggested I bring on these guys. This is just fabulous. I am the standing. I'm as proud of as I am on my song. I'm this is one of my proudest moments of all time bringing you one of my heroes. Fred, Diane and Jim also my heroes together. I am like in heaven right now, listen to this. It's so rewarding for me to have brought you all together and have Fred tell his story and we got to get everybody to share this so people can hear how ridiculous it is. As they're they're amping up this hall across more and ever. They're trying to get more and more educational things in on it. I mean, it's a total lie and yet we got to try to stop it and that's why I wrote that song to run and scared. I believe they are run and scared. But I want more people know what a lie this is. But I want to say that I do the easy thing. I wrote six million after all these people in front of me did the hard work of exposing it and that's my job is to write a song about it like vaccines. Hey, Eddie Trude's moving out there. I write a song about once I know the truth about it. But six million is my proudest song and I have these Fred Diane and Jim and all the people that came before me Victor Thorne, you know, that talked about it and you know we don't ever forget Victor Thorne and my friends. You know, he was taken out August 1st 2016 and his book, All-A-Class Hokes Exposed, was another one that opened up many many people's eyes. I know many people that said that was the book. Today that started it. But Jim Diane and Fred came along before me and I just want to say I'm proud of all of you and Jim Fetzer, you know how I feel about you. Well, I'm so thrilled you brought us together. I mean, this is just a wonderful moment. I was mentioning that I have these essays on the Holocaust in the book and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either. I've heard you of which it was banned by Amazon when the ADL asked them to ban all the books that had to do with discussion, critical revisionism about World War Two. And I'm just noticing, I mean, the original included the by Thomas Dalton who wrote this wonderful book about the Holocaust debate, Robert Forrest on myself Nick Colorsham. But now I've added more another essay by Robert Forrest on, in fact, the Sundale Trouse 1985 and 1988, which we've been discussing here where Fred's report was the key part of the 1988 Second trial and by Mike King, the Auschwitz baby boo, where we've been talking about Diane corrected me thinking the world of hundreds or actually thousands of babies born in these camps, which makes the whole story completely absurd. You don't have to be an expert on gas chambers at all. If you got 3,000 babies, they weren't centered for extermination. I mean, how would you start off? Where I start all the time with people that they want to believe the story, the census that Jews before World War Two was 15.3 million, after World War Two was 15.7 million, it went up 400,000 and then General Patten two weeks before he died, before he was unceremoniously taken out, said we fought the wrong enemy. That's why I begin all discussions about the Holocaust in World War Two and people look at me like, well, how did you know this? And once you see something that's so obvious that this whole World War Two scenario we were taught as a lie, and those are the two main things. General Patten, they made a movie about it that I ever used that quote in a movie with George C Scott. I doubt it very much. Well, that Patten is such a wonderful movie, but I don't recall that being a part of it, but you know, you think everyone said we fought the wrong enemy. I know, I know, I know. You think we could all subtract six from 15 however and not get 15. I mean, there's something wrong. What about the other six that came into the US after the war? Was it was it was it six million more came to the world six million? Yeah, 500. Wow, that's where they went for it. What's it really? They multiplied in the camps. They multiplied in the camps. That's fascinating. There's a six million number out there. Remember the six million dollar man and TV show and the fact that he's a... Oh, you know, I hadn't even talked about it being six million. I hadn't even thought about that. Yeah. Yeah. The six million dollar man. Amazing, amazing. Anyway, I'm enjoying this. I'll get off with other people calling. Well, I just a light, I just like you call and had this idea was inspired to get us together. I'm thrilled. Thank you. I'm thrilled that it's true beyond belief. I can't, I can't, I can't thank you enough. Diane, let's say thanks so much for calling. Diane, give us some more of your thoughts. That's really sweet of you. We like to take on the really difficult issues. Anti-hintler people, anti-national social people were, Fred takes on any and every of free speech issue and that's that really awesome. Then we find ourselves the same. We didn't finish the discussion about the look to report, Fred, right? Yeah, yeah. We'll return to your report, Fred. Yeah. There's a desire here to get more of the content of what you put together. We know what it's 130 pages or so and you brought a lot of samples back in addition to substantiate key points. You know what, I might share with you that my my my first wife came with me and her son was killed in an auto accident. He was in the military and he was killed in the in the west here in the United States and her ex-husband contacted the the State Department because he knew we were in Europe, but at any rate what had happened was for some reason they got their wires crossed and he said I was investigating something to do with gas chambers and the message went out from the US Embassy headquarters, the State Department headquarters in Washington, the Fred Lucia, America's top chemical warfare expert, is in Poland visiting the camps. And well they were looking for us all over the place and I finally caught us at my panic and somebody come up and they told me what happened and it was up to me to tell my ex-wife that her boy had been killed and at that point we went back to the office because the the woman who was sent out from the embassy she was an under-considered. She was sent out looking for us and she told me what happened. She says you've been a stay close to us. She says you and your people are all in my custody right now. She says because why they did it we don't know but on a non-scramble, unsecure telephone line they call the embassy in Poland and she says that the secret police, the Russians are looking for you, everybody's looking for me you know they would have probably been very disappointed after the interrogated me for two weeks and only found out I knew about gas chambers. I didn't know anything about chemical warfare but at any rate they were looking for us and we left a day later but it was funny we were brought into the embassy and I had my party there were a lot of bombah German nationals and they were Canadian citizens but they were still German, they were originally German nationals and they were all brought in the back of the embassy in the cold room and she said please tell our people she says you're in a secret area so don't look around but she said I had to bring you in because she said they are looking for you and they unfortunately our hotel had overbought and the embassy is pretty good at getting hotel rooms they got us hotels and everybody else and myself and they took us to the hotel now we had a a door man who took all our bags out of the vehicles they put all the vehicles put all the bags back in the vehicles when we moved from the first hotel and the lady who was from the embassy said she says he's done a lot of work she says she says they give him some good American dollars the polls who want American money because they can buy all kinds of things that they can't buy with shlotties if they still use shlotties with the with the common market but at any rate I gave him $50 and he grabbed me around the shoulders and he slowly slid down and he was kissing me on the stomach and the woman I said I gave him three fives she said she says you gave him four months pay for us pay yeah I mean it's a dip in the US grad t