JIM FETZER "The Raw Deal" (9-8-19) 911 Special with Dennis Cimino and Joe Olson

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information absolutely fell on the floor senate to uh... gordon dot he said holy cow and then he posted it at veterans today about three or four days later it was posted it before it's news dot com and the title there was two independent investigation prove that uh... world trade center destruction was based on nuclear collapse and it's the same article that was posted at veterans today except that the end of it it has two previous veterans today articles and one of those veterans they article has an eighty article bibliography that had been previously posted at veterans today and i read all of those articles contemporaneous when they were put up uh... took at least an hour of peace to read through the articles and then if there was anything that i need to additional research on i'd just go online and start pulling up terms or concepts that i wasn't familiar with so i'm very familiar with all of their eighty articles and all of the material that went into this but you know what paumer contributed to your understanding well one thing he contributed was he said that iron has four radioactive isotopes and i went to you i had never thought about iron being a campers so i pulled up uh... wiki's information on steel isis our iron isotopes and surprise surprise there's also twenty eight non-radio active isotopes we have a whole building that's built as a fair today cage that's going to contain these gamma rays and the process of containing those gamma rays some of the gamma rays are going to knock new trunks off of iron atoms which will create isotopes and some of them are coming combined with the uh... iron atoms to create larger uh... heavier weight isotopes and one of those isotopes is iron fifty six which has a forty four day half-life so you end up with with creating a pool that will sit in the bottom of that building of molten steel that's going to fit there and continue to do radio active decay for forty four days just to get rid of half of it another forty four days to get rid of the quarter of it another forty four days to get rid of an eighth of it and that explains how the base of the building was molten hot until december of two thousand one because you had converted the steel cage of the building into a molten radio active decaying uh... blob of steel and then you also have photos of the granite bedrock when the ice age ended there was a thousand foot glacier sitting over uh... long island and ocean levels for four hundred and forty feet deep uh... forty four hundred four hundred feet shallower than they are today so the ocean line would have been out where the current continental shelf is basically and the Hudson River was a valley and it was still draining but when the glaciers melted they dropped forty feet of glacial till and dirt down on top of manhattan bedrock which was granted when they dug the bathtub for the building they reach the forty foot granite and they realize that to go any deeper they'd have to dynamite the structure into the granite risking knocking down the minor little c-wall it was protecting them from the Hudson river which is only fifteen feet below grade level at the world trade center so they stop the bathtub at that point that's what they poured the foundation well after nine one one one they started up pulling debris out of that slab they found a hundred foot deep crater that has igneous rock that the granite had actually been vaporized and so you have the combination of the vaporized granite and the vaporized steel is what was oozing out of that building constantly for three months after the event and the and the granite is still radioactive which is why they put reflecting ponds around the three milk pools that were at the world trade center one two and seven and that's it as ever would you talk of it all so the shock of it all is that they named it the silverstein family park joh thank you thank marbles everyone has to appreciate that wonderful opportunity to call in tonight to speak 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I'm just saying that the staff can still be made to see if it can be seen. It appears in the form that we're used to seeing. I think it's a great idea to see how the staff can see the radio station. It's a great idea to see the radio station. And to look at exposure to extremely high levels of gamma radiation and what that does to the steel matrix itself. Nuclear level and how it changes steel into something that's almost unrecognizable is steel. Until you get a good handle on that, you can't really see how nuclear weapons didn't necessarily have to blow half a band-hat in a way to take the towers down. And then the devices themselves are to alter the steel in such a way that would render it into something less than a structural component that could hold the buildings up any longer to minimize the possibility of an asymmetrical collapse to the side where it would have been incalculable damage to the buildings adjacent to the site. If you look at any of the stuff that we've seen, especially the one video where we see the one tower starting to go sideways, the top section of it. And then miraculously almost by magic, it it it writes itself or changes trajectory instead of follows through. In other words, what a cloud would something out to the side being another building nearby because the whole area was heavily populated with architecture. But people don't understand that that steel one exposed to extremely high levels of neutron bombardment no longer is steel any longer becomes something far less structural in nature. So the magic that was that was worked on 9-11 was basically how to render a significant amount of the aggregate total composite of the building into something that couldn't couldn't get in the way or provide a barrier for the for the collapse of upper floors that that would fall straight down into the deficit, which was below. So when you understand that the nuclear devices were not being used so much to blow things apart, but for the neutron bombardment of the steel itself was a pivotal factor in how the how the whole thing worked to clear out as much structural steel as possible to make the collapse as possible for to occur. Joe, would you come back on that? I think there's some complexities there that you may want to address. Yes, nuclear power plants have the same problem with steel reinforcement in their concrete pressure domes and in the piping systems. And there you're dealing with real low level gamma rays because you're controlling the reactions to prevent that from over pressurizing the system. And so you have a low continuous exposure, but after about 50 years you get a crystalline structure embrittlement and that's why all of the nuclear power plants that are light water reactors have to be shut down after 50 years because they reach the point where they're they no longer can the steel can no longer safely contain the pressures that are inside those plants. So that's absolutely a fact and Mr. Palmer's information goes into that in quite a bit of detail. And the thing is when you've got isotopes for iron that range up to 72 neutrons and all of those extra neutrons are going to decay into lower isotopes of steel. So the steel is able to absorb an enormous amount of gamma rays and then it's going to give those off and some of those will not be detectable as nuclear radiation number one. Number two, they're not going to create the isotope trail that you would get in a normal nuclear bomb so that you're also disguising your fingerprint that way. This is sort of what's called a minimal residual radiation bomb, which is what was part of the information that I had on my memo to the president. Now as Providence would have it September 11th of 2016, which was the 15th anniversary, there was a group in Texas that sponsored a Austin truth test in Austin. And they had as guest speakers Christopher Bolin and Jim Mars and Jim Mars spoke for an hour and a half on provable false flags and provable acts of sabotage against the American people by the American government. And Christopher Bolin spoke for an hour and a half on the obvious, most sod and Zionist connections all the way through the event as far as planning and management and all of the people involved and all the financial rewards that were reaped afterward. And then in November of 2018, there was a JFK conference in Dallas and Dr. James Fesser was one of the guest speakers and since he'd already interviewed me three or four times, it was like, oh my god, I've got to go to Dallas and meet this man. So I went up there and Jim and I had three days together to bounce ideas off each other and at that conference was also a former CIA guy named Kevin ship, a Zionist apologist online reporter from crowd sensing the truth, Jason Goodman and a lady who had been in the White House when William Casey made the statement. We will know that our this information is complete when all everything the American people believe is false. That was Barbara Honecker and I went up to Barbara and I said, well, you're one of the ones that wrote a memo to the president along with Jim and I and Christopher Bolin and a whole bunch of other people and she goes, oh yes, I'm happy to meet you. And I said, well, I'm, you know, would like to talk to you about the nuclear destruction. She goes, oh, no, it's weren't used. I said, how do you know? And she goes, because I've been on tour with A&E group in Europe and they proved that it's thermite. I said, well, are you willing to discuss anything additional on that? No. And I can find no evidence that she said any scientific background. I've watched her videos on what she claims happened at the Pentagon and it's completely laughable. And so out of the 28 memos that were sent to the president, one was written by Richard Gage, which is a little bit of a disinformation. Another one was written by a guy, F. Tom Scott, something like that, who claimed to be a photographer that was in a meeting that said that the buildings were loaded with asbestos and that the aluminum cladding on the outside was causing the buildings to corrode and they were going to fall down on their own. And so they were ordered to be demoted by 2001. And that's what Robert David Steel seized on as the most important fact. Well, in fact, the EPA had outlawed asbestos in 1972. It only occurred in the lower floors of building one less than 39 floors. And portions of it had been removed. What was there had been mitigated. There was none at all in World Trade Center 7 or in World Trade Center 2. So to claim that asbestos was there is absolutely bogus. Then they also had the claim that the corrosion with the aluminum cladding on the outside of the building was corroding the steel. Actually, if you look at the galbonic series, what corrodes is the aluminum sacrofacial. So the aluminum would corrode but the steel wouldn't. So that's completely bogus. And then one of the other people that wrote a memo was a guy that Jim and I interviewed on a previous Radio Talk Steve Deack. And he's the one that brought up the information about the exterior panels being unbolted and blasted out of the building. And I had never seen that particular evidence, but it's in my article unequivocal 9-1-1-news that's at my website post science slayer and also at principal sign kippy website in Australia. They had actually made the exterior wall panels were then the real trust system, which is a square trust with 52 inch high, one two inch thick steel spandrel sections connecting the floor joist top and bottom along with the floors to form a membrane. And those were welded to the spandrel section and then they had vertical box columns that were welded and went continuous in three story sections from water over and bolted together. All of those bolted connections had been unbolted using probably a plasma cutter. And all of the beam connections and jointed floor connections going horizontally had been removed so that they could blow out two sections in a building to make it appear that a plane hit. And then in order to have the sound of a plane and something to focus on and then also to actually deliver a shock to the building that would simulate a plane hitting the building. They used a hologram cloaking of a cruise missile and hit the building because there's obvious deflections in the plate girders on the exterior of the buildings adjacent to where the penetrations are that indicate it was hit by some type of an object because you couldn't simulate that any other way. So you had a location you're not talking about removing a bolt from the whole building you're talking about a couple of floors that were going to be used and see right right right. And just like just like Dennis had mentioned they used thermite is cutting charges on the lower floors the exterior box columns are cut at a 45 degree angle perfect 45 degree cuts at the same elevation all the way across the face of the building. And those are not normal failure planes normal failure planes for a welded steel structure would probably be along the square welded joint lines are along the bolted lines and you wouldn't have a failure plane in the middle of a box column at a perfect 45 degree cut angle. And those are visible in the photos at the end of the building where the in the smoking ruin so there's another bit of evidence I saw the actual live footage I hardly ever watched TV but for some reason on December 11th I turned on my TV and they were just announcing the impact on the first world trade center building. And I was like oh my god and so I called my friends and we were all talking about it and I saw the top of the building lean over according to architects and engineers they say it leaned over 20 degrees according to Palmer he says it lean 15 degrees but obviously when the top of a building leans over 15 degrees of good portion of that building is going to be subject to gravity and you're beyond the center of gravity and so that portion of the building should have flopped over. And hit the side of the building and then falling down virtually intact onto the street below which didn't happen I saw the thing turn upright fall down into the cloud of smoke with the 20 story TV antenna spire on top of it just disappearing into the smoke and not being visible in the. To breathe you know two different buildings that antenna was on top of the north tower that there was a top 34s of the south that pivoted and even Steve Jones had to acknowledge she found it inexplicable that it just disappeared was demolished and turned into. To find dust before it's very eyes I want to bring back in Dennis before we take our caller we do have a caller standing by but I want Dennis to comment on this but also on our brahonigr's role here because she seems to me to be a real sticky wicked Dennis. I didn't want to get into attacking bar breath although you know the thing that she was selling before is that the actual global hawk that slammed into the helipad at the Pentagon her story was it was actually a real aircraft not a UAV which it was. And it's clear that it was a global hawk RQ for a disintegrated into shards of fiberglass and small pieces of aluminum which is basically the skeleton and the airframe so. You know I think that there are many many players including gauge hodogger many many people in the so called truth movement that their whole purpose in life hasn't been really to get to the bottom of what really happened but it's been to deflect and create alternative stories that are plausible to the uninitiated people in the world that have very little physics background or any. Scientific background the underneath their colors so they should the real purpose in the whole grand scheme of things to get people to not think about what really did happen but the great but when you look at the aggregate is that there's a lot of things that happened on on 911 that are inexplicable by by almost all definitions of what can be explained and one of the things that you might have seen if you look at some of the photography carefully. Is that there's there's issues in some of the structural steel where other pieces of you know metallic objects have actually impacted that piece and been embedded and sticking out to some degree on the other side of it and it's done in such a way that it defies explanation about how steel really acts in the sense that the steel had to have been compromised on a molecular level. To allow for for penetration to happen like that without a physical manifestation like you get when you slam one large heart hard object into another one curing and deformations and stuff like that these other pieces actually merged and became part of the steel structure they penetrated and therefore those those type of effects cannot happen strictly with the explosive events that that's not something that happens in an explosion. In a nuclear detonation area or in close proximity to a nuclear detonation stuff like that can occur in the sense that the steel itself is no longer what it would appear to be in hardness or durability because of the neutron bombardment that occurred during the moment that detonations occurred so there we have a lot of people in the movement that the fundamental purpose in life is to been has been to fundamentally steer and deflect every single thing away from any possible nuclear explanation about what happened on 9-11 including the vaporization of that upper stage of the building that was that was off 15-20 degrees it's irrelevant at this point because it would have continued to follow that trajectory and impact the adjacent building nearby and a major way of the found on the street much in the same way that major parts of the aircraft would have been if they were really used that there would have been pieces all over the street of aircraft parts. There were none other than planted engine underneath a scaffold which was the wrong engine type identified by the cooling duct from an engine type that had only been used up to 1974 and knowing 747s never used in the 757 or 767 the placement of a piece of landing gear where upon they lowered it into into position using a piece of rope that was found or attached to the landing gear. So we all this is not pertinent. It's not pertinent what we're talking about today though. I mean, you win with Dennis finishes go ahead then. There were so much deception and so many people that are their players are not trying to take away from the discussion about the new but the deception being that's been run and it continued to be run has been so comprehensive and so unreal but even some of the information that some of us actually bought in the first couple years and later analyzed and found out that it was fed to us intentionally by the federal government to lead us away from the truth. That whole campaign was very, very intensive not something you put together in a couple of weeks. It was something that had been generated months in advance, if not maybe years in advance, it was so comprehensive and so deep the way that deception went. So I might go back to the hotter thing and the gauge thing is that they fulfill the very significant role in and deceiving the public about what really happened to deflect everything away from the nuclear discussion completely. And another person that was involved in that deflection with Dr. Judy would and James had interviewed her. I heard her a couple of times on coast to coast, herter on info wars, herter with James would I mean with Fetzer went to her website, spent probably 40 hours reviewing video tapes and all the printed material came up with a list of questions called her on the phone and said, Judy, I'm obstructions near I've reviewed your material. I think you've got some excellent ideas here, but I've got some questions for you. She goes, have you read my book? And I said, no, man, I haven't, but I will buy a copy of it. If you can answer a couple of questions, she goes, I'm not answering any questions. Anybody that doesn't buy my book, it's all in my book. And it's like, well, you're in the business of selling books, you're not in the business of disseminating truth. And if you can't answer my questions over the phone, then I don't have any reason to buy your book and try to decipher your propaganda that way. So bottom line is I put her in the same group with Richard Gage and Palmer says, yes, nuclear directed energy weapons were used, but it was a plasma nuclear bomb that was placed in the basement. And that's where the placement was. She later came out with a statement that the nuclear directed energy weapon was located at a military base in Brooklyn. And then she showed the footprint of how I could have projected a beam across Manhattan to hit the buildings, but it would have been shadowed on the lower floors by other buildings that were in the way. And it couldn't possibly have hit building seven. And then she said, well, it came from a satellite. The amount of energy is 10 to the 16th jewels of energy, which had to been delivered in a 10 second sequence for each of the twin towers and a 7 second for the World Trade Center 7. So to deliver that amount of energy and that amount of time is absolutely absurd. The other thing that most people weren't focusing on is the signature and the radio equipment, the white Gaussian noise. It's still very, very telling of what really was going on versus a directed energy weapon from a satellite, which couldn't possibly push that kind of energy to the surface of the planet and cause a kind of destruction. It's impossible, but go ahead and continue. We have a great white collar to the show Paul from California with some questions Paul. Thank you. Okay, thanks. Yeah, so it's very interesting. I will give you that. There's somebody has famously said one time or another. There's a lot to unpack here. So I've been a very careful listener. There's so many things that I agree with and other things that either I don't agree with or I can't really wrap my mind. I can't really understand. And I don't think it's because I don't have a degree in architecture and engineering or because I don't have a degree in physics. I think it just defies explanation. I actually do believe that some of the work and some of the ideas and theory that Judy Woods put forth is valid. I think in many ways we are dealing with what some people used to call a breakaway civilization as a description of the military industrial complex and so-called space travel, which I'm not exactly sure exists to the extent that a lot of the UFO people are dealing with. The UFO people talk about, but I am fairly convinced that we have a breakaway civilization in terms of science, technology, and military applications. And there's this things that we have no knowledge ever we cannot possibly understand unless we're there. Because to my mind some of the things that Dennis has said, even though I'm not going to take issue with whether nuclear weapons were used or not. But I try to wrap my mind around the fact that, okay, what is it a nuclear weapon does as opposed to conventional explosives and how is it different? And mostly from what I understand is just tremendous amounts of more force and more heat. And there would have to be applied and directed in a particular way to get a particular effect. So I've seen these buildings go up, I've seen buildings go up around here in this area recently, I've seen them go up in San Francisco before as a kid I was always fascinated by construction. And once I saw how the World Trade Center was constructed, I mean it was all just a picture of my mind, okay. And the problem I have with whatever effect gamma radiation or anything else would have on steel is that each and every floor was a 14 inch concrete pan. All right, 14 inches of concrete is quite a dampening effect on any radiation. So you'd have to say, well, wait a minute, are they going to use a nuclear weapon on every floor? You know, that just wouldn't work. And here's the other thing that's obvious to anybody is I understand that there was 47, 46 or 47 core columns and then there was 247 exterior columns. All right, these are all steel girders and these are all very robust. So each one of those would have to be segmented in a simultaneous fashion. In other words, you'd have to have symmetrical failure all the way down each and every floor for that thing to have collapsed the way it did. And of course, in my opinion, the little tilting that you were talking about earlier, which I've seen, I'm assuming many people have seen that. I think that just because everything was occurring essentially, you know, so well timed and you know, a microseconds, I would imagine, that that correction is possible. If the charges, like I said, were going off continually down each and every floor, you could possibly get that kind of correction. The vaporization of a lot of the concrete in the steel, I just can't see how nuclear weapons that were set, you know, in the basement, which is where they would have been set. Could have caused that. I think maybe it was a combination of directed energy weapons, other sorts of, you know, what molecular disassociation, that's the only word for it. And I'm not saying it's analogous, but one more thing, analogous, but one more thing I can't get out of my head is all the pictures from the so-called wildfires that we had out here. And the pictures have completely blasted out, because that's what it looks like blasted out commercial buildings, buildings made of concrete and steel, as well as houses where it actually looks like somebody had, you know, from up above, you know, hit it, like it was a bull's eye, and it was completely just, you know, disintegrated. That's the best word I can think of. So this sort of technology, I believe, has been used and has existed for a while. Okay. I'm going to get comments from all three of us. I'm going to begin and then I'm going to go to Dennis and then I'm going to go to Joe. Number one, long about the Mavicon Creek. Each of the floors was a steel truss connected at one end of the core column, that the other to the external steel subordered columns. There are 240 external steel subordered columns and 47 massive core columns, which had four inch deep grooves. There was a variation of 48 inches of concrete, because the grooves were four inches deep. So with some locations, it would be only four and others as much as eight inches deep on two hundred and eight feet on the side. So you had each floor had an acre of concrete on the steel truss. Now this was a lighter density concrete than normal, but you had a grossly exaggerated characterization of the quantity of concrete involved your number one. Number two is whatever reason slipping my mind here, but, but, but this is a real glad you called in to get a change of pace here. Dennis, would you like to address some of Paul's concerns while it would come back to me? The second point I was going to make. Go ahead. Dennis, before before comment, let me confirm. So was is it true? Because this is what I read. I don't know why they would change the depth of the pans, but is it true that there was a 14 inch. Paul into a steel pan for the floors. That's what I read and saw. So I don't know if that's the correct or not. Well, it has a very, very, very, really, really strong concrete like we put it in the lighter material. It has completely different. It's in a slab of concrete with four in your own garage. It had to be light to keep the structure of the building significantly lighter than if they were used regular concrete. And I'm going to make you light everybody's familiar with is gypsum. The same thing that you have that you could punch your wrist through in a building wall. And your fist is not going to disintegrate. You might break your a couple bones if you hit it the wrong way, but you punch a hole through it. And that's why the the cloud that I addressed in my article about the world's whirling of volcano of lies was such a telling thing here is that for muculite would be very, very different. And how it would be easily pulverized by directed force and upward direction of the basement. And it's very easy to focus the detonation front from a nuclear device into a particular direction. It's not an army directional weapon. If you detonate the charges that trigger it in a particular fashion to focus the energy in any plane that you wish to point it at. And you can also control the yield of the device the same way, but we're not talking about the standard nukes that we would drop a city and we're not talking about regular structural concrete. Those are the two clear differences about what happened in 9-11. Okay, all right. So I accept what you say, but I'm still going to go back to I watched a video actually that was made, you know, well before 9-11 happened. I believe it was made back in the 70s, which showed the construction of the World Trade Sower taking place. And I remember clearly seeing the classic, you know, metal shoot out of which concrete comes down the shoot and gets poured into the steel pan. So I know that, you know, it may be true what you're saying about this different material. But when I keep coming back to this, all right, again, you have to have. There's no way to get around this. For those buildings to collapse, you have to have symmetrical heat failure. And there's only one way to get that. And that's what heavy charges. Paul, you're making two blunders. Number one, that come back to me. Number one, they did not collapse. They were blown apart in every direction by a powerful sorts of energy that appears to have been nuclear. Number, number two, that 30 floor structure that tilted to the side was blown apart in mid-air. Steve Jones was very explicit about it. Here's a guy who's a champion in the nanothermite publishing an article in this 9-11 empire edited by David Ray Griffin. And he's acknowledging he's inexplicable to him the disappearance of that 30 floor structure. Okay, so those are major pieces. They use concrete, real concrete on the foundations, Paul, the thickness of the steel too is massively variable. It was six inches of the base and tapered five four up to the top. It was only a quarter inch thick. So I think you've got to go. Wait, wait, wait, wait, what was only a quarter inch thick? What are you talking about? The plate girders on the exterior. Paul, if you want to know something about how the building was actually built, go to Theme Up 403 Underline Chapter 2 and you want to see the floor plan. Look at Figure 2.9. You have not bothered to study the structural analysis. This is building it all and you're projecting something you know nothing about. And you're just wasting time on it. What do you mean projecting? What am I projecting? You're projecting you're projecting that you can watch a couple of videos and know more than somebody that's been a registered structural engineer for 35 years and 10,000 hours. Please don't leave your tools at me. Okay, it's not going to impress me. I have a brain that I can think in the bottom line. I don't care how just listen to me. Paul, I love you. Yeah, we've dropped Paul. We have another color. However, Bill Grant, who I'm sure is going to have a significant observations and make you. Hey, guys. Hey, Jim and, uh, and thank you, Mitch. I got a headache right now. It's going to be a little hard for me to talk. I'll try to be clear and quick either way and cover what I can. You know, I understood Paul's concern. Of course, his, he, you guys did basically answer his questions. Um, he just didn't fully realize it. Um, the thing is this. There's a lot of issues. I'm really with your guest, Jim. Um, they're right on. And you know, if you remember, I used to basically be a little elitist as a child. I used to study everything, not just astronomy, but nucleophysics, uh, fission and fusion, uh, propulsion systems designed for that. So I understand that can be focused. Okay. This can be directed. Nuclear explosions can be miniaturized and directed. Most people add a lot of the radioactive effects and, um, radiation as in light radiation, heat, etc. They kind of generally leave out the E.M. pulse blast as a heat causing and metal burn out fatigue effect as well. I'm not sure if you guess covered that or not. In one way or another, they more or less did, but, um, what Paul doesn't understand yet. And a lot of people probably it hasn't occurred to about these nuclear blasts is why did the top? Why is the top section separate from the bottom section? In other words, in other words, what Paul was talking about with these cement barriers along the way. See, they had to make sure the blast did not blast through the top. It could not blast all the way through the entire structure and then out the top. So they had to figure out somewhere it was definitely going to stop. They had to figure out that position. They had to make sure it went up as high as they could get it without blowing the whole building apart in a wide yield and not go out the top. They had to have they probably had the control demolition on the outside only. I've seen the cuts. One of you guys was talking about I've seen it myself. I went down there. I seen the reflecting pools the day everything happened. I noted there's going to be an asbestos problem if there's no asbestos. It seemed nuclear to me and then I was convinced it wasn't now I am. And go ahead. The first take was right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, go ahead and continue. I'm glad they have you here. Go on. Yeah, so the explosion we see and explode out the building. There's a few possibilities you already talked about part of which could have been the final after the blast gets through everything else. It's at its weakest at a certain point. But yet it could have been diverted could have been diverted outward. That's a small possibility. I don't know. I didn't do any fact checking. But I went down there. And I don't know if I have the figures right. I don't I've never been able to verify completely. I had always said where is the asbestos now I've been a rougher. I know I've seen molten metal accidents and addicts kind of issues where the asbestos kind of stopped it from catching fire. I don't know the limit. It has. But it should have been all over the city and it in a and they either kind of hit how much there was all over this. It was vaporized either way. It shouldn't have been vaporized. Okay. There's missing asbestos in my opinion. I'm just just about finished and I'd appreciate any input about the asbestos. I haven't made any you know final analysis is my own yet all so I'm interested. So I went down to 9.11. I seen the reflecting pulls. I'm saying, damn, why would they bother going to such expensive permanently maintaining permanently maintainable reflecting pulls like this. I seen the thing that they put in the museum with the 45 degree angle cuts. Okay. I'm thinking about this what I'm saying this was nuclear. They have this water flowing in here perpetually as two reasons. It is cover for radioactivity. It's permanently being recycled replenished maybe even filtered possibly filtered to some you know for regular normal reasons and maybe a little beyond normal reasons. But it is a nuclear shield. This is a radioactive shield. I went there looking this is a giant black square hole. Well, four sided what it's a four sided waterfall. Perpetual tons of water tons of gallons of water perpetually pouring that's a nuclear shield that's cover. Yeah, for the molecular disintegration, Paul correctly addressed in the fact that they kind of contain residual effect of the radioactivity. I'll start with Joe on this, but I know Dennis as things he wants to say to it. We do have another caller standing by Joe you for. Yeah, water is an excellent neutron absorber and when it gets heated up, it releases energy by latent heat of vaporization. So that cooling plants doing two things. It's absorbing the gamma rays that are still into the nuclear isotope granite underneath the building and then it's also reducing the heat signature that would have been coming off by changing it to a vaporization signature. Now I want to get back to the concrete floor decking. You're correct. It was only four inches thick. If you look at the FEMA 403 underlying CH2, which is referenced in my article about the construction of the building. The pearlite is actually a minor additive to reduce the floor weight of normal weight concrete from 125 pounds per cubic foot down to 100 pounds per cubic foot. So it doesn't marginal it's only a marginal reduction in the weight of the concrete, but it's enough over the whole height of a building to reduce the amount of structural load that you dead load that you've got. But that isn't the factor. The factor that Paul was ignoring is that when you have a nuclear blast, you have a sequence of operations. The first one is the flash and that's your gamma rays and x rays that come out of the nuclear blast. That's your big huge light surge. The next thing is a shock wave. The shock wave is going to be far higher than the detonation velocity, which we discussed previously about steel and concrete. So that's going to break those molecules down into nothing but individual molecules of steel and calcium carbonate is the major component of. Concrete so you break in those down into dust in the whole core of the building with the shock wave and then the next thing is the heat wave. The heat wave comes up and what isn't already broken apart in a molecular level at that point is going to be vaporized by the heat and that's all coming up through the core of the building. It was focused under elevator shaft number 50 in the basement. So it was directed off of the basement floor and it would have formed a cone up inside the building, which was completely contained by the outside wall. And as the interior decayed and fell down into the crucible that was burning down in the bottom, it pulled each individual floor down with it as it came down. That's how the building actually the sequence of destruction. And if you review the Palmer information, which is again at before it's news.com and it veterans today, he does an excellent analysis of everything and his work is completely compatible with the 80 articles that were produced by veterans today. And I'm sorry, but I don't have time for people that have nothing but a cursory understanding of what's going on. And I watched a YouTube video and therefore I'm an expert in structural engineering and I'm expert in and how the world trade centers failed without anything more than a couple of YouTubes, which could or could not be accurate. I'm sorry. It's a waste of everybody's time. I want to say a few words about Bill and then I'm going to bring in Bruce. Go ahead, then. Oh, I was going to agree with what much of what was said already and then the one point that I wanted to make is that it's not important to excoriate these guys. You know, because they don't have the understanding it. I mean, to some extent, if they were coming out of the shoot and calling us liars, they'd be different. But the gentleman that called what wasn't going in that direction, he was just having a hard time getting to the same place we are with it. And it takes a long, long history of exposure to physics and science. I'm not saying that everybody's an idiot. That's not really true because this gentleman was not. But there's a lot of a lot of stuff that the average person cannot wrap their mind around about the mechanisms within a nuclear detonation about the displacement of what would be a normal structure and being replaced by something that's significantly different. And when you look at that, when I did the article, the world's whirling and volcano of lies, it was pretty apparent to me that the total complete pulsation of all of that vermiculate that was poured into those pans had to have occurred for such a broad dispersal of virtually every pound of that stuff in every direction you can imagine in the dust, leaving the area. And that's what that was. And obviously some of it had to be destroyed steel material also. But for the most part, we're talking about the aggregate all up, pull, poured volume of vermiculate slurry that went into every one of those pans, ended up all over lower Manhattan and some fashion or other in the plume leap going straight up the way from the building. If you look at any of the videos, we're talking about what would be, you know, some people call it a pyroclastic ejection. I don't want to call it that's not what it was, but it resembles a volcano, a volcanic eruption in almost every way because we're talking about very, very fine, totally pulverized material. We're not talking about chunks or boulders here. We're talking about material that's been disrupted on its molecular level and destroyed that way. Let me bring it down. Move. Go ahead. I'll first have observations of the Bureau. Well, I have questions fundamentally how many buildings were constructed to make out the World Trade Center at the time? Or seven buildings of the World Trade Center. Okay, so number, so everyone they say one, two, reference the seven. And then sometimes people reference six and at six when they reference six, you know, they go, oh, no one ever talks about six that the roof from the inside was blown off. Am I incorrect with that? Anybody? Well, that was a big, yeah, jagged hole in the building six, you're absolutely right. Joe can probably say more things about it. And you know, Joe, you want to dress six ever so briefly? Yes, if you look at the Palmer, a thermal graphic video or graphics of that, it shows that building looks exactly like a seventh story, rectangular volcano. The whole center of the building has a giant cone going down into the basement. So I recommend that you pull up the veterans today posting or before it's news posting of Palmer, POMMER. And you shouldn't have any problem finding it. But if you look at his drawings, he's got the actual thermographic drawings that show where the heat pools were under each one of these buildings after the event. And there's one definitely underneath building six. And yes, building six was also part of this event. So the other thing that nobody's discussed that that kind of plays around, you'd mentioned the matrix work where he said it was 150 kiloton. Palmer says that it was 200 tons, which would be 0.2 kilotons. I say it was, I'm my previous comments were that it was a half a kiloton. And that and Beaty Netanyahu on the day after 911 said it took 350 tons of TNT to bring down each one of those buildings on an actual news interview. So he's pretty much tipped his hand that somebody put a 0.35 kiloton bomb in the basement of each of the twin towers. We're dealing with something in that size range. Anything more you would have had just excessive power that you didn't need and more of a nuclear signature that you didn't need. But these things were very, very specific and very well honed for the purposes of what they did that day. You're getting that from the mastermind of 9-11, Beaty Netanyahu himself. I'm really, you got to be right up. I know. I know you got other questions. Go set way amount. Well, in reference to six, it has is a cone from the inside and blowing off the roof every time now that anybody learns that perhaps there was microneeds in there and then microneeds can be directed at control. How much. I don't know what the wording is, but you know, how much it puts off or any could be directed at it. A little microneed and this is the way I always imagine it that it. I'm one of microneed went off and it was directed in such a way and it just blew the blue right through. I'm gutted the whole building blew the roof off. That said, and I'm going to cut off here. This is a couple minutes left on the broadcast. Now we got one, two, seven, six is damaged. What's going on with three and four? I've heard people say all the buildings have gotten. No one ever says that all the buildings went down that day. So why is three and four never talked about? Or did they get destroyed too? Good. Four was a married hotel. It's half gone and half there. I mean, it's a real odd effect. You may talk about the others. Yes, yes, yes. But all there are all seven suffered severe forms of damage. Joe, you want to comment? I actually haven't projected beyond World Trade Center one, two, and seven in a minor amount on six. I know that some of the buildings were torn down after the event just because they've gotten superficial damage from splatter. We think here we do have another caller from Australia standing by. Dennis, you want to say anything about the other building? I was going to concur with the approximate yield number between 250 and 350 for the type of containment that was possible with a yield like that, which you would wanted to kill people in adjacent buildings. I mean, I think that's a good example of how they were killed by the victims. It didn't really want to die that day. They didn't need to die and raise other questions about how they were killed by intense. I think that's a good example of how they were killed by the victims. I think that's a good example of how they were killed by the victims. I think that's a good example of how they were killed by the victims. I think that's a good example of how they were killed by the victims. I think that's a good example of how they were killed by the victims. I think that's a good example of how they were killed by the victims. Very, very, for a lack of a better term, they're very, very precise. We're not talking about, let's blow it up with a hand grenade. We're talking about directing the energy upwards from the basement to destroy as much of the core of the building as possible. The town was done. Go ahead. We don't have more time. The reason a vision device is measured in megatons or kilotons is because that's the equivalent amount of TNT, which you know, a meg, a kilotons is going to be a thousand times the TNT, a megatons is going to be a million times the TNT. That's why they use that abbreviation. But to get a device of that magnitude would only require a three or four hundred pound device, which you could easily bring in in a delivery van and place in the basement elevator with nothing but a couple of guys in a hand dolly. The placement of this is vastly superior to trying to wire the whole building with sequential thermite or any type of conventional explosives. You just wheel this thing in the day you decide to do it and pull the fuse and boom, the whole building's come down. That's exactly what happened and that's why they did it the way they did. No, I'm sorry. There's some little time, but go ahead and say it say a few words here. It's like Bill. Yeah, the army is that what Susan Linda said about the CIA and the nuclear bombs tend to have to be right. Susan Lindauer, you're saying observer with nuclear bomb? She always said from the start that the CIA had to put the nuclear bombs in. That was tender ridiculous, but it tends to have to be right. Yeah, absolutely. Yes, yes, yes. She was making those statements in May of 2001 and she was jailed for treason and wrote a book about it called Extreme Pregidus and she's been interviewed many times. So yes, absolutely. I mean, he had fans. The other and we only have 60 seconds. If you want to take a few. I'm done. I'm done. I'm real lazy call. The dentist. Final thoughts from you, Dennis. I just enjoyed the show tonight. We had good collars. We had a good discussion. It was overall the very positive and meaningful attempt to get the truth out. I think we did a good job of it. Excellent. I think this is one of the best relatively brief discussions of one of the most complex problems to solve. You can count it in history. Joe, you have a final word here. Yes, the final word is not in. I'm going to get back with all of these engineers that had been part of the previous discussion and investigations on world three and seven. Palmer is working with Gordon Duff to do the next level of presentation at Veterans today. Expect that within the next week or two. By the time of the 18th anniversary, we're going to know enormous amounts more than what we've known and discussed tonight. So bless you guys. It was a wonderful thing. Yeah, thanks to Paul to Bruce to build Grant to build from Australia from calling in this was simply an excellent show. Perfect for 9-11 as we approach. It was the final decision to start a wonderful presentation. ...a lot of people will be right back at the most message. Welcome to Rev. Lucio Raya, where you, the listeners, are in charge. Here at Rev. Lucio Raya, we present to you a broad cast hours of news and information each and every day. Rev. Lucio Raya never sleeps. Rev. Lucio Raya is worldwide and borderless information. Rev. Lucio Raya is also commercial free. Rev. Lucio Raya is supported 100% by you, the listeners. 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