James Files grassy knoll JFK shooter interview

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Hello everyone, it's Michael Jacob with Unleashin Intuition Secrets. Join once again by Ola Demogard and we have some special guests, James and Pamela Files. Here we talk about JFK and some other amazing things. Ola, you want to walk us through some of those? I would love to, first of all, I want to say to both you, James and Pamela, that I feel very honored that you trusted me enough to do this into you because I know you've been betrayed multiple times along the way, so I'm very grateful for this. And I also want to say that this is very special for me. I even dressed up for it because 43 years ago on the date, more or less, that was the first time I saw a documentary about the JFK assassination and I saw this approved film for the very first time. And at that time, I was a young reporter and it took me like 22 seconds to understand that somebody must have been standing to the right and somewhere up at the grassy hole firing that shot. And to get the official story telling me something completely different, that was the saying that got me started on what had become my whole life journey. That somebody was telling me a lie, I could not understand why on earth would heavyweight, like historians and heavyweight, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and heavyweight, you name it, be backing up something that was a total lie. And so that really messed with my mind and made this geeky nerd brain activate on a way that has changed my life, my really my life. So the shot that was fired from the grassy note that in one way ended one job, started my job and now 43 years later, I'm here with the man who fired the shot from that angle. And so for me, very, very special day. And in one way, because what happened that day in Dallas, from my point of view, being not a violent man, was a hideous crime, I think. For someone to step up the way you have done James, from inside a high security prison and admit something like this, we're no benefit for yourself at all, taking a, I mean, the level of courage and bravery to do something like that, for the rest of us to get to know the truth and to be able to be part of healing this situation is unbelievable. And that is why since the mid 90s, when I started hearing about your story, to start with, I was like, I didn't get it at all. It was like, yeah, there was like this James Bond type moving, a gun looking rifle, fireball, I didn't, it didn't make any sense to me. And then my friend Jim Morris went to interview you and my god that completely changed the whole thing. And since then, without you knowing it, I've been backing you 100% standing up by your side, 100% giving speeches and talks and presentations where I backed you 100% where for some bizarre reasons, so many other people are doubting it. Because I have been looking at every angle, every millimeter, scrutinizing every little detail, and I have not found one lie coming out of your mouth ever. Instead, I've found incredible truths that have been so negative to yourself. I mean, you've been brutally honest, not for your own sake, but for the truth to come out there. So I have to, I have to applaud the second part of your life for that incredible journey you've taken on. Because for, I believe that the two most important whistleblowers or the two most important pieces of this puzzle that is so important to understand for what to be able to understand what's going on in the world right now because that power overtake that day has continued. So the two missing pieces are you and Judith Veribaker to get a big, the complete picture I want to actually went down that day and Dallas. So I am, I am once again, I'm super, super grateful that you were taking the time to do this. Welcome and I can say all I can tell you is out of that day, the five days prior to that, my wife knows probably more about the people behind the scenes than I did because I trusted too many people when I was in the field and working and I know my wife is down on George Bush, George Bush, a senior and he was direct to the CIA. He always, he was a recruiter during the Bay of Pigs when we were getting ready for that and he worked for the CIA at that time and George Bush later on, it became more powerful. Anything we needed in the field, he would give for you. If he moved by an airplane, we would have it within 48 hours no matter what we were. So I always stood up for him on that part. Him being a president, I got much to say about that because everybody don't know about that. But my wife and no more about that than I would. I think this is one of the things that this is one of the things I think is fascinating because just like Michael here who used to be CIA and Black ops and Navy SEAL, many times in certain operations because it was such on such a need to know basis, people like myself who spent my whole life trying to figure out these things from the outside know so much more in many ways of the details of the whole picture. Whereas you who was actually part of the operations, they were of such importance that you did not know more than exactly your part because if you started being too nosy or started asking too many questions, that would be game over. So I find it really interesting that how we can sort of put the jigsaw puzzle together because like I said, I dedicated a major part of my life into understanding what went down that day and I really feel that your part and what you know is so crucial. So James, would you mind taking us back and also Pamela, thank you so much for kicking his butt so that he continued stepping up and delivering this information. So so important for us. I know you are a major force behind getting this information out there because I know that James would prefer to just get it all forgotten about but it is very crucial. So just this November. Well, next week I'm going to be in Dallas, Texas, which will be about probably the highest trip to Dallas and got a lot of schedule and a lot of interviews are scheduled for there but too I don't know but they're taking care of it on that end. And we go back to Kennedy, we go all the way back to 63. We were going to do him in Chicago of what we call a bottleneck where it comes out of Pilsite on the expressway to Chicago and Tony A cardo said no, not an hour yard. He said we won't make any money if we do it here. He's just got to be somewhere else. So it approximately six months later got the word to go to Dallas and I was at the press for the Harlow Grille Planet Pinball machine when Mr. Nickeletti come in and told me Jimmy I want to talk to you now has the baby in the MetaVos and he reached out until the machine he says now and I said yes sir, I missed him the clinic. So we went for a rat and he told me we was going to do my friend and I asked I said what the heck did he do now? And he left he said no not him he says Kennedy's so we're going to do JFK and I show K1M and I guess Newsmax had reached out when they did the One Piece and they talked to some advisors from Vietnam that worked there that worked with me and they all agreed in newbie and they said after the Bay of Pigs I developed a great dislike for Kennedy and that is still on Newsmax's of today and they're still running and I'm not a fact they made a recording of it but we want to go and I went five days prior to the assassination to Dallas. I met with Lee Harvey Oswald David Ali Phillips sent him to my room to the motel room I was at Mosque, Texas and he said the boss told me to show you around that's okay so I learned all the dead-in streets one way streets, brother crossing times of trains crossed and made notes on all of it but I didn't want to begin a high-speed chase at the end and have my day right. Oh while I was there anyway Lansdale I guess he had talked to him and I did a couple of jobs for General Lansdale before that with the fireball and Kennedy was not the first one he was the third one with it and I learned everything in the morning of the assassination I did not see Lee Harvey Oswald at all. I walked daily plaza with Charles Nicoletti and he asked me he always used me for a sounding board of what I thought was best. They already had the room at the Dalton building a couple weeks in advance Eugene had come in the breeding he had come in from California he knew the people there they had the room they wanted an office room they moved the people out of it moved in everything for repainting decorating everything else and that's the way it stayed until we did the assassination Eugene Albreeding was on the telephone waiting and when the assassination was over with he walked over unlocked the door so nobody could walk out of Chuck and Johnny Roselli while they were in there they left he locked the door back he went back door by the phone to hang by the phone for a couple of minutes and while he was waiting there to get out of the building for him to hang up the phone he was actually arrested that was Eugene Brady so it's not that I chose the window to east advance I chose at that morning for the steam like the most logical place for them to shoot from no shooter is going to fire from there from the six floor and hang out the window to do it but for Gatazatti is not a shooter and they've planned they've had a lot more shooters than me and Charles Nicoletti there while if they did those shooters wasn't shooters because they couldn't even at the limo so how the heck was they supposed to hit Kennedy they had to curb the street the billboards the light pole they had everything but Kennedy so I always say there's only the Charles Nicoletti John Roselli and I was there John Roselli was not firing the 14 was there by orders in Johnny if he'd come down and if things went wrong and we missed Kennedy they would sit down and claim that they took the assassin team out and they saved Kennedy's life which would make them a hero but it went good so they got in the plane got the head got it out seriously say yeah that's not the way I believe it was land still that had the Johnny Roselli removed from back of shooter and for me being weapons bear and driver I went to back of shooter and but lands down knew that I'd never missed a target on him I put the gun across here she was gone can I just for people who are not so into the details here that you were actually the bodyguard and the driver for Chuck Nicoletti who was a hitman for the Chicago mob and you were before that you were a young soldier that you were in Laos where you were actually you were born into the same position yeah mobile white mob but actually if we go back all the way to your birth you were actually born into this whole thing you were actually born into I would almost call it like a assassination programs where you were born in is that correct where your mother was part of this and then you didn't go to normal school you didn't go to high school all the thing you were being educated in was to become an assassin as a number yeah my mother left the furlough Alabama 1941 and went down to the coast there for the Navy Coast was mobile Alabama and she tried to get a job because jobs were hard to get in 1941 what I understand so that's Sutton who actually became my stepmother never legally adopted me though but anyway he told my mother that there's no jobs available but he might be a beginner into a nursing program he got her into a neighboring nursing program and at that time everybody was down on the Nazis determining for trying to create the perfect their own soldier the United States was trying to do the same thing themselves so actually I came out of a test tube I was inserted into my mother she carried me for nine months and that was it and I had maybe doctors most of my life there when I was child growing up and when I was age 8 they started sending me to camp here a month-to-eck long island in New York and that place is still active to this day but they've got it fenced off and it says trespassers you know will be shot and setters that are they've got a heavy security guard there they roll out through the fence and you won't see anything there but the security rolls up on you either you get out of there you get arrested and several people have went there and tried to get information they couldn't so anyway on my 17th birthday I am listed in the United States Army I took my boot training book camp at Portland Wood Missouri for my AIT which is headmastering crimp retreat I went to a fourth book Louisiana and this one I signed up for airborne I signed up for one to the 82nd airborne from there they missed my orders up I went to Fort Seale's Oklahoma for a little while for about a days ten days it kind of got more to straighten out and I went on to Fort Bright for Carolina the most machining up at Smoke Bomb Hill we jumped out of airplanes they were truckers over to Fort Bendie Hollisback over at Trump almost smoke Bomb Hill over a macro reservation and everything and it was July the 10th we shipped out of there we headed for Laos and I'd never even heard of Laos at that time and the Surgeon explained it broke in the country of winter in the lower countries and my next operation the Philippines and I went to the Philippines on into Laos and Laos with Operation Mobile White Stars are done to Colonel Fettroprowley to retrain an immediate tribesman at that time it's it's very interesting Fettroprowley is one of my few heroes I so highly respected so that's amazing but then James you went on to to Laos and I know that you were involved in in there was situations there where you were actually there was involving your own people I don't know if you want to go into detail with that I'm not going to skip the details on that I was up for Fort Marshall for the act that I didn't fill in one car it is actually my boyfriend said I know two of my men down that was the real tribesman that worked out and they stood up at the MAs which is the mechanical ambushes and they missed them up so when the general and the other the meal tribesman but he shot his people he sent out I shot my two men when he looked at me and that's when I went to all the way back to the States and I was at the Veterans Hospital and made little oil over there and next thing I knew after I got cleared from that and there was no court martial everything went away my 201 file had been shredded with a military I was turned over to the CIA David Ali Phillips walked me out of the Veterans Hospital my next stop was in Florida the Everglades one of the first people that I met there was going to do some prank searches and I became very close friends very loyal to each other can I can I please is it okay if I interrupt you at certain time because I've got quite so Ted Shack was the one that suggested you as far as I understand two David Ali Phillips yes he recommended me from his office if we had not met that time yeah I recommended you to Ted Shackley yes well I'm sure proud of recommend him a Shackley but Shackley recommended me to the CIA and the CIA was the one that put their hands on me then when they sent David supposed to see me to get me out of the Veterans Hospital okay yeah it's very interesting because I've seen Chip Tatum has a very similar similar story also Chip Tatum who was a former CIA very high up and there is very he was say again please as said he was a very good man Chip Tatum is yeah he's a friend of mine as well and and he was he was shot up and ended up in a military hospital and then David Ali Phillips approached him I think it was no it was William Colby sorry William Colby approached him and put him on his wing but a very similar story very similar age and the whole thing so it seems like that is how they recruit people at a very young age once they've started or once they've proven themselves in battle and so on and so so David Ali Phillips became your handler or controller as it was called in those days you were only how old were you 18 19 19 I was 19 when he first got a hold on me so 21 years old when I was going in does and Dallas yeah so but I've like to make one thing you've heard of Gordon Ferry I'm pretty sure right called you on that and Carlos and Carlos has got was a little bit younger than me I was in the middle and Gordon Ferry he was the oldest he was just a I think a year and four months older than me we're all three on the stage about the same time those two were my range I was army and next week Gordon Ferry and I were supposed to get together we're supposed to be together in Dallas and we're going to do an interview down there we're the ferry enemy yeah I'm so you actually work with sorry Michael you actually work with halfcock you know he's like a like a very good work with halfcock no he was worried I was armed and you didn't okay Gordon even the Gordon properties when he got the administration and he was uh yes a big shot on Wall Street whatever the position they want to tie him as you call him he probably wrote a lot of the checks for the black ops that I was on I will discuss that probably next week but the word and uh get into that because he will be in Dallas also yeah he was in Dallas 2016 when I was a speaker as well so but anyway so not at age 19 you were recruited by the CAA but at the same time you went back to Chicago and you started you were being headhunted more or less by Chucky Nicoletti as a good driver and a good shooter because he saw your skills in driving and so on I know that you're absolutely I would almost say a dog Chucky Nicoletti would you mind describing him as a person what it was that that made you respect him on that level his work was always good in Charles Nicoletti this is hard to say but he's just like you stepped off the cover of Vogue magazine or something he looked more like a businessman from a CEO from a company or something and he owned metropolitan vault we don't get together I was as part in the reddit and we built very of balls for people and somebody noticed a lot of money from the two-slown rangers or whatever we would take many show them concrete coffin with their name cards on it and I usually get them to get the money together right away to pay and Charles Nicoletti trusted me and I trusted him totally and to me I mean he was very quiet well spoken well dressed and you heard me ever heard him swear just once you're twice that we swear that was proud of the FBI but he was a good man and he was quiet he wasn't most he kept the low profile and he liked the highlights things so both of us were before the Sam Piancona then he would go to Tony O'Carto and I finally got to meet Tony O'Carto and I was welcome at his home at any time I stood guard at Tony O'Carto's home many times there's new home he built yourself from North Avenue and Forsyth. Tony O'Carto was a good man but uh Chuck Nicoletti if people don't know what's a hitman for Sam Piancona correct he was a very hard and violent man but very very well-behaved. He was very efficient. Yeah when you got a contract and uh some of the people like they used to talk and joke front time when they somebody looked in the rear view mirror at their car and they saw Chuck and me behind them it wasn't a nice sight to see. Why was he called the time? Why was he called it right? Right. But during the old days he'd come out of the 42 gang and went to work for Al Capone and he used a Thompson machine gun a lot. He was hanging on the running board and one arm around the post on the car and 45 in the other hand and he'd be shooting like crazy with it. So okay so- But you say that you can't get in. Come out of the 42 gang. Tony O'Carto come out of the 42 gang. The 42 gang was a very interesting gang to study but they were efficient Al Capone hard because you need people to run break kitchen things and that was way before my time. So at 19 you were working both for the CIA and the mob. So- Right. But the mob was aware of your involvement with the CIA and they also knew that the CIA was another one that they had to step if there was anything and if I understand it right as well that you were more or less in daily contact with David Atty Phillips should he need you that you had a travel bag ready and wherever he needed you you you were just ready to go. I call him every day. Yeah unless I was on assignment then the field then naturally then I didn't call but when I wasn't working on assignments I would call him every morning and I would be patched through to him. I would call the one exchange number and then they would take that and I would give him my code number and they would patch me through to him and we'd be on the phone for only three seconds he might say carry on to what you're doing today. You know there's nothing happening and I'll see you with telling me to go to sir what's your location and I would give him a number for the district that I would be in and he would say go to the sir for there'll be a thick away for you when you get there and I would be on my way. I have a question. Was he the one that would say that phrase many miles to go before? He would say that too. Who would say that too? That would be somebody else at the agency that would have that number and they wouldn't even know who they were talking to they would call that number. I would answer the phone they would ask for a code number I would give it to him and then they would say that and then I would carry on with it. But you would just know that that meant to go carry out the mission to kill somebody. My mission was to kill not to go out and move under capture take was witness. My operation and I was sent out was strictly to eliminate which was I belonged to a Operation Group 40 which was an assassination group all over the wood covered the entire world but the it grew 40 the alleged what it was it was part of an intelligence on the ground together information together intelligence but that was only the cover story you'd never go before congress and ask for money to go kill somebody. That was Kissinger's track one and two right? Kissinger and Nixon wrote track one that was the kidnapped very important people from other countries pulling for ransom. Unfortunately you have an automatic weapon a lot of the Hispanics at that time they kill everything inside so they had to rewrite track one and make a track to which included a assassination. Wow this is absolutely fascinating so Jimmy your recall is unbelievable at your age I mean just absolutely crisp. What fascinates me is that you had military the mob and the CIA all working together and you were trained from a basically little baby to be an assassin that that is born my mind. Those like General Roselli he was called by the FBI. Deputy agent got hold of giant took him to Virginia and they made with this CIA agent which I'm not going to call it shouldn't they. They offered General Roselli a hundred thousand dollars to kill Castro. He couldn't take the contract on his own because they had to be approved by Sam and Sam had to get his approved by Tony Ricardo but he was the lysing between the agency and the mafia organized crime. Chicago which has known it's just Chicago outfit to be a great way to know Chicago famished just Chicago outfit and so Sam Giancana Johnny Roselli made a little like thunder for the Bay of Higgs and we've been known more less. Sam referred to it as the three amigos like you know but he always got to sit with him because they never gave him. Just get out of jail for recovery. But Sam was a nice game with free gun. Do you got him upset? So I'll just take it step by step like this. So we're back in Chicago year 19 and or 21 and 1963 and one day Chucky comes to that your favorite place which was the Hall of Grill where I mean it was cars weapons and horses in your world as far as I understand and that's where you were always hanging down and he said we're going to take out Kennedy and for you since you hated Kennedy or hated or very disliked him very dearly after the Bay of Higgs Fiasco you you were in for you it was nothing at all you were just following orders but your task was not to be a shooter your task was to be getting in Chucky's Chevy and take it down to Dallas fully equipped with weapons under the seats and then inside the doors and and get all the weapons calibrated all the sides the ammo are fixed up and just get it down there and also be prepared as a getaway driver meaning that you needed to map all the roads and streets and exits and one-way streets and train crossings and whatever in Dallas during the five days before the hit was going to go down is that correct correct I actually I actually I'm going to have anoint your cargo and what you did was you came down you drove very not a night not high speed or whatever exactly to not get any attention whatsoever and then you arrived to Mosquit I actually went to the lam night at Motel I followed your track step by step by step and I even asked them about you at the motel and they knew that you had stayed there so many years later but anyway so you stayed there and while you were there you called in to David Atley Phillips who later became the head of the Western hemisphere for the CIA so one of the major major players including Ted Chucky that also took that position I mean these are the top of the top in in that world and so you were calling in today we are at the Phillips who was the only one who knew that you were at that motel and suddenly somebody knocked on the door and it was Lee Oswald who was also his handler was also David Atley Phillips I mean you know you knew Lee Oswald from before you could you describe when you met him and how you met him and so on I met Lee about over six months before the assassination and at that time we were running guns I would take guns down to Clinton, Louisiana that he had run him on over to Laurelaine to put him on board the ship get him sent to pop we were sending stuff to pop a doc and Haiti at that time where if the pop a doc dad we could sing you the supplying baby doc with weapons and but I had known Lee for approximately six months and he was good he wasn't likely claimed he was no dummy I mean Lee had a very high IQ and he had a top secret security clearance the same as I had and Lee had to be very good in order to work on the spy base in Japan with some other people there that were very preputable people such as William Cooper and uh Edmund P. Wilson those guys you know they like to say they were way up there I never wanted to come out of the field I enjoyed the work that I did I enjoyed going places and never wanted to sit behind it as it's so easy to forget that you were so young you you were only 21 he was 24 but still deeply involved in these operations is that normal at that age in that area always conformal at that age but uh certain people they've been chosen there was 123 my class born in 1942 we all attended the same school the same class and my the camp here all Edmund toy and uh the end of the year when we graduated there was only 14 of us are graduated what happened the rest of them I do not know so I've got yourself so you got yourself to Dallas and Lee knocks on the door the one that have told you the only one who knew you were there with David Atty Phillips so the only one that could have told Lee that you were there was David Atty Phillips and so yeah Chuck yeah yeah exactly but Chuck you didn't know but Chuck he didn't know Lee at all not at all no exactly so anyway so Lee came there and he took you he was sort of escorting you around for four or five days while you were you he was you were learning the area and also you were calibrating the weapons and so on but right at no point did you talk about what was going to go down is that correct never talk about it now that's okay to separate it but not talk about Lee was in a different field than I was in but his job was to shoot me around Dallas we would never discuss what he had done prior or what I had done prior so so so apartmentalized to let anyone else know yeah so it was only at the morning of the 22nd of November when when for that John E. Racely who was being planned as one of the shooters that he stepped back for whatever reason most probably because the CIA wanted to to call it off where Chuck in E. Coletti said John is going he's taking a step to the side do you want to do you want to be my backup is that correct that he he was the one that asked you just like and a couple of hours before you could say that to that line up on the grace of know with me yeah they asked me about the man with me and I would master that and I said there was no one there because at that point I was in prison I had no idea if we're lens though it was if he was alive if he was dead or what but I covered him as much as I could until I got out of prison found out that yes he was dead he already deceased and then it was okay I could say something about him but I let your proudly was the type of man who would not bend the rules little on break them to do a job that's why I'm pretty proud he was sent halfway around the world then I guess the New Zealand and Landdale he would have been bend the rules break them the step on whatever he had to do to get the job done but I respected both men but Landdale was really my hero what happened to Landdale you said that he died quite early I never asked I never went and never got involved I stayed a week from everyone since I got out of prison in 2016 I served 25 years and I served every day of it I served 23 of it in state though so last two years he had a merges marshes hole on me to the homicide of a couple of teams to union people in Pennsylvania and they were going to take me to Pennsylvania and try me and then they did not want me back on the streets they wanted to put me away to them to keep me locked up at a cage the rest of my life I laid down yeah I had been to Lewisburg already for a little while and that's because I was on trial for the bombing of Boston Motors in Chicago so James if we go back to Dallas please at the morning it had been raining and then had it continued raining the bubble tub would have been on and the job would have been cold off but the sun broke up yeah exactly but the sun came out and that was the thing that closed the deal John O'Rasselli wanted out but you asked Chucky and he said it's a green light it's a go correct the only one that could call it off was Cigian Kana and as far as I've been able to track down Giankana was staying at the Adolfo's hotel in Dallas at that day together with Richard Kane Richard Kane was with him as well so so as long as he didn't give a red light you were on and and so Chucky asked you to be his back up and you chose the grassy know the reason why you chose that area the reason I just like gave me a perfect shot yeah if I'm gonna be back up I'm only have one or two seconds to make up my mind just drop the hammer and not and uh yeah that was the first life you go play you being yeah and at that time you had no idea that there was going to be blamed on someone on the sixth floor of the schoolbook to post-story you didn't know about no exactly so Chucky said we're going for a headshot make sure that nobody else could hit it but it's only headshots that comes correct correct so when you were going with it with the headshot in the back yeah so you came so before coming to Dallas you had you had the arm the whole car the Chevy burgundy Chevy and you had all kinds of weapons in Mausers you had marlin's you had a 3036 and so on which was prepared for Chucky you had calibrated the moment so but you also had this very unusual gun to this very day very unusual call at Remington Parkball exactly could you explain could you describe that gun please if the single shot bowl action pistol very effective up to 200 yards and with the right ammunition then you could remove someone's head at 200 yards and it could be chopped further than that and uh I thought it was appropriate well but it juked it but it's only got one shot I said that's all I need an excellent panel thank you could you could you come a little bit closer so we can see it so about that James I should okay yeah exactly it it is like a rifle for real I was really aggrassy no so I kind of like mapped it all out and that was the perfect spot so I kind of like linked with you now that weapon that you have there is obviously something you could like you know seekered away and just walk away and no one would know you're there so that's how you got away because there were people who heard a shot it came running up the CIA went to Wayne leak at Remington and what they did was they asked him to create an assassination weapon and the first the original it was made as a 222 but they had trouble with the church cracking the barrel so they went down to a 221 the less than the load made as a 221 the two-ton it was available in 1962 they had 500 made for the CIA 500 of them was made pretty at the eye but they couldn't sell a weapon Remington couldn't his assassination to they sold it as a fireman gun but nobody really wanted to buy it because there's only one shot single shot but it was defied especially for shooters and there was no recoil at all heard it to a very little on me but also James there were there were some issues just like you said with the ammo and also that for a kill shot that it could ricochet off the of the skull so I know you had your friend Wolfman that was one of the gunsmiths for the Chicago mob to make you special ammo could you describe that please special rounds they were the two 21 was a fragmentation rounds and the inverse drill out a little bit and nitroglycer was put in there it's still with wax and is mercury mercury yeah mercury yeah mercury anyway that would have been a different basically special for it and he was one that had a lot all those things I did not make the ammunition I know a lot of people call it bullets I don't say bullets did you imagine an own military me going down to supply shank tell a stab search they ain't give me a box of bullets I'd have been doing pushups all day long just everything was ammunition I need ammo on the floor so where can I say yeah you've heard it the bushelade you were the program for forty feet to my left on the other side the stairs that was Beverly Oliver very badly on the chest we had another woman but the name of or said or something sitting there think was a punny actor an ogle bill she was eating a lot of sandwich she sent me take the fireball from the briefcase she sent me a place on the fence and actually wouldn't just be taking the shot she was peeping up over the dashboard as I was leaving and when I had to have been to round later to fund the fence but the port 50 fireball back in the briefcase reverse my jacket pull up the door out of the sleeve and put the briefs for door on and I won't go in just like a business when going for lunch Remington fireball was in the briefcase I had to 45 in my coat pocket and I had the and grenade in my left pocket I was prepared to get out of that out of the ddp that they won away or the other there was no quitting no giving up no no there's all about each state either state for dying one of the other so if I can reverse a little bit when you when you came to Dallas to Deely Plaza that morning you parked outside the the Daltex building where exactly did you park did you park on Houston Street up to the building on or in the parking lot itself behind the Daltex building okay if you're on the grass and oil and you're facing the Daltex building yeah I would be parking on to the left if I'm at the Daltex building then it would be the right end side same side to street and I used an official business sign that I hadn't made up it sign to bring it up to the car it's like a park the car where I wanted to no parking sounds or whatever and leave the sign laying a fund dash over the pillar and it's actually never bothered it they never bothered so the idea was that you you would drop off so you dropped off on the street did a day so you dropped off Chucky and Rosalie there and Eugene Bradley Braden let them into the Daltex building on the second floor there was there was an office that was owned by the Hunt family I believe which was also connected to the CIA that were there were led into but the idea was that they would Chucky would be the shooter from the Daltex building you would be behind the picket fence and then you'd reconnect in the car and take off as soon as possible after the shooting is that correct correct and then you would go down used to take a left and drop them off at gas station a few blocks down so when I know that when this thing happened I mean an ordinary person would be nervous and and high pulse and adrenaline and so on but for you this was nothing is that correct I mean in your way job it was one of the easier jobs that I had some of them I had to track for two days through the jungle to get to where I wanted to be somebody with no I was there yeah so Dallas that was just a pretty easy job like I always say there was nothing job so when when you got there that morning you started to recognizing people around there I know that you recognized Orlando Bosch Dr. Death by the way one of the another operative of the operation 40 was he by any chance dressed in in a gray gray suit like as with a hat on that day I brought a charcoal gray maybe or whatever I don't remember exactly what everybody was dressed in that morning when I was used the scope to span the crowd I was looking for a ball done to the own the shoulder the back the ankle holster I was looking for something to make a man walk a little bit lopsided a little bit of balance or the clothes bulge somebody carrying a weapon that's what I was looking for but this was called a big event I was never looking to see this guy I know this guy that guy no I was looking for a weapon specific weapon yeah yeah if they were finding I knew they could be a threat to me but in the crowd you recognized quite a few a lot of people yeah George Bush the paymaster of operation 40 that he was standing leaning up against the Dallas Exbilling when you left but sorry sorry sorry correct my mistake but you you saw Frank Sturge as well yes he said he was in a bomber jacket but at where on on daily plus did you observe him so my left and I have a firm and you can get from the street on the left on the left to my left yes okay but you did not see who is described as batch man or black catch a man in a black Dallas police uniform you did not observe him behind the wall no there was nobody in front of the fence front of me I was behind the fence yeah no tops rifle mingling down no there was no one there but through this this is like the Bush Galating Frank Sturge is and then behind me into the left was George Bush in front of the schoolbooked up schoolbooked the repository and I saw a lot of people there it looked like old home week who who ever seen the guy in the student front of me and he was the one that was there with secret services identification to turn the cops away the stranger on up the no first was that Bernard Baker was that Bernard Baker Bernard Baker I don't know what his name was he was later one of the he was later one of the Watergate burglars at least anyway so so you were standing there waiting would you mind describing your clothes again how you what you did with your clothes oh I had like a popular handsome back in the early 60s they had a material called poplin it was like the shiny gray and the jacket was like a three quarter least car coat and they managed to get it pretty good they inside the coat the lining was checkered mark you know black and red checkers like you know you'd wear it the rodeo jarge and that's how I was dressed basically speaking and I wiped the mud off my shoes back then the parking lot was not paid as money I remember there was a nice round of there I wrote my feet on the bumper I scrubbed my feet off from the bottom of the s there's a step up there you step from the parking lot up one step like behind the crest on the fence you have to crest you know and I love to cut the sugar bus there probably so that didn't know nothing about DNA at that time and I wasn't worried about it so you don't know about it but there were palm miles that I spoke and they found a couple of sugar bus here and just like everything that I had said and then when they checked out before I was standing the I felt they checked out the volume or whatever with the transmitter it won't wrap back to the spot where I said I was at and that was many years later they also found this you also left a shell a shell case of 221 the shell casing I've been into it and had teeth marks on it and why on earth would you do such a thing I was young cocky I think I was indestructible nothing could hurt me we had these ideas on our head at the time you know we just thought we could get away with anything well you could I know exactly if I were David Ali Phillips if I were to pull him I left the casing there on the fence he would have been upset about it so anyway so so you were you were told do not fire it on less absolutely necessary right correct and you were you were going for a headshot that was the order that headshots were the thing so when the shots started you started ringing out what how did you react I was counting this miss miss miss miss and I fixed the lose my fill of fire and it took my shot when I got back in the car truck asked me did Jimmy don't you think you fired too soon and I said no I fixed the lose my fill of fire and that's all I was ever said about it I followed my orders that's all I ever did follow orders here's the guy David Ali Phillips your sound off Olay yeah he's gonna go fix him wow fascinating story Jimmy absolutely incredible all the stuff you've been talking about your recall is how old are you you're 90 now it will be 80 I'm 81 now I'll be 82 in January 82 in January okay and believe it or not like any fan my cup of cup of morning my wife asked you were planted she always hit the microwave to get it your recall is exquisite good job you remember the right things well you've in your little life you just don't forget it that's right and I signed a lot of India's which means I can't have this goes a lot of things that didn't the military I did at the evaluation of the USA which is the official secrecy act the India's nondisclosure agreement and it just went to crazy life and during the 90s it's April prison they sent this one girl out there oh man she come there and she told me that if I gave the interview on Hagena Pineda that they would take me back to court you know she would have me invited and I'd be under violation of the USA that's all it please go back and tell him hurry up I can't wait this is I want to hold my right end up to God and that's then on the Bible I says I got a whole lot I want to say so she turned this burn out of there the warden with Salvador Godinas we call him Tony Tony Godinas and he grew up in a patch with her kids and he thought Jimmy when you look up on us not sure get over it but anyway when I told him the FBI and forced their way into state boom threatened me he refused to believe me and Godinas he loved Kennedy he did not want to think I can actually deal with President so he was home of the catch he could have lied to get this group and say I had that I lied about it but even on his interview and I've got a recording of it on my computer or Godinas it only about a three or four minutes interview with him and he said it he couldn't prove what he said as much as he wanted to say that I didn't do it something as terrible as that he said he was going to find us the FBI didn't lie to him said the FBI couldn't get into without him signing the papers we find out the FBI got in there and then he was very upset over and the FBI had come in and threatened me if I gave the interview that they would have my sentence of firm my field and I they would take me back and get me more time and I gave the interview and a couple weeks later my sentence was good affirmed my field was denied they took me back to Lake County the judge reinstated the judge had been disfisted against me like firing a weapon there's a convicted criminal setter setter get out on on this and gave me 15 years of each count which was the max on each count run on consecutive or total 30 years place the 30 years on top that 50 years already had which gave me a total of 80 years to serve well under the old law in 1991 when I had to shoot I was a law the cops tried to kill me had a contract on me the old law said you got date for date for the crime that you committed so in the 50 years engine was 25 now that I had to do 25 plus 15 consecutive which would have been seven and I've been 15 years younger than 30 years to 10 years on that so I would have still done 40 years total but it took me two and a half years to get the time that the judge gave me to run second on the 50 it took me two and a half years to get it to run concurrent and those papers and court papers and stuff we had in the back of the books that we was at interview with history as their primary target interview with this primary primary sit there with primary target and the government has been trying to shut me down did I give my first interview confession of an assassin holy you're still muted pardon me still holy yeah he's still muted okay still muted anyway I get down to battle two years of state by I served 23 years of state bill I found a few years of certain Danville directional center in Illinois and once the witness against me for the double homicide in Pennsylvania died they had to have me out of stable the 24 hours because you wasn't allowed to be a state bill with less than a 20 year sentence you had to earn the right to be a state bill you had to be one of the bad boys as they call it and so they dressed me down Danville and I stayed there for my final two years so when you got your order is who who normally gave you those was it the mob or was it the CIA well I got orders and both I got orders from David Phillips and I got orders from from the up in Chicago San Francisco and 76 chocolate skills killed in 75 no San Francisco was San Francisco in 76 no San 75 yeah chocolate skills 29th 1977 is when chocolate skills because I was at the Maywood Park Restricted Night he was killed oh see I was within that morning he wasn't supposed to go out that night and he went out without me and he was at the golden horns on the borderline of North Lake in Stone Park there in Moral Park and that's where they killed Chuck again they shot him to the back seat and let him get in the car with him which I would have never let them done so so I was with Chuck and we were going to go meet somebody he would drive I would have a one break over my lap I would have a 45-odd chance and I was prepared to shoot by the Chuck with clean back in the front seat like I shouldn't front him I wouldn't have my head to wow so that it sounded like they were trying to take just take all you guys out just eliminate all your guys well we have at that time to take us wherever uh property you know territories that we on them I won't say we all but we control no he's talking about taking out all the people there were witnesses yeah but that wasn't about the Kennedy case the Chuck's case it was the Kennedy case but in my case it wasn't because Chuck had been uh the pain was to testify before this House Committee of Assessed Nations or something another and Sam was supposed to testify Sam was killed first and then Chuck was killed later but the same day the Chuck was killed they killed the guy there in Dallas George the Schmitter whatever his name was the moron shield yeah and uh uh they killed him that morning and they killed Chuck that night but both members did testify there it when you see the cleaning operations after which you had another day there was eladio del valle who was also involved in this operation and David Ferry on the same day as well but James would you mind if I can please go back to the moment of the shot and Dili plus as well if you describe what happened then I took the shot and when you when you saw the motorcage come come down uh main street and then turn Houston street if you can take it from there we took up uh main street on the Houston and they took the left hand turn off the Houston onto Alm Street and I was following him with the scope and had kept him in the crosshairs and the car never came to a complete stop almost but then the car was always moving barely but it was moving and uh the first shot was fired that's when the car actually slowed down instead of getting out of there and when you take the special training for that that type of operation you're supposed to get on the gas pedal and get out of there right away you don't get nobody a chance for a second shot while the driver actually gave a chance for the second third and fourth shot and which might have been the fifth but mine and the fourth shot was almost simultaneously Chuck Scott there about one hundred to the thousands of a second ahead of mine it started to have forward otherwise I would have took him in his eye which would be his right eye I'm looking at what had been left the upside of his face because I'm facing him later on and uh the head went back and as it went back or as it came forward I caught him in the temple and then knife my shot blew the head backward and that's what he called against Jackie and a lot of things came out of the back of his head everything just ranged all of it and uh I did a painting of John F. Kennedy at that second I didn't paint it that painted later on the state floor painting and I painted it for Robert Clayton Buick for his book called Assassination and I gave Kennedy a watermelon head because it looked like a watermelon blowing up and that picture's still in the book and still in the cover I don't know if we got a I think I'd have a copy of it here we do but I thought it was right in the minute slot and don't have it anywhere Andy but uh anyway I did the painting of John F. Kennedy for the watermelon head and that's what it was all about and a lot of the officers of stable prison was upset because they thought I was making a mockery of John F. Kennedy and I said no that's just what it looked like when I shot it yeah you're describing the secret service protective detail basically in on the in on the the hit as well because I've been involved in the detail and you basically hit that gas and you're out of there everybody's up with guns so that didn't happen they slowed down I could talk about it obviously they were in on it yeah and there should have been secret service on the side of the link in that day and on the back of it but the detail had been told to stand down and they were following the hind on the limo and nobody was on the limo and they had to one each of them forget his name didn't know his name they left him at the airport he started to get on the car and he was told to stand down and wait there till they got back and he wanted to know why it is yeah and uh they did not want anybody around there then the military had been put on stand by for that day and that morning they were canceled and told us stand down that's a lot of operation yeah military was in on two wow it's incredible I don't think the military trained you to be the that being assassin for the CIA and a mom so that's big sense that they would like to shut everything down I was a great guy that was a ground for Davidian you being his name is you you've heard of the uh school of america oh yeah we don't want Southampton Central America and North America but one here is a fort many Georgia that's where he find ruin was an assassin I didn't know that anybody can kill with a knife we're gun but what they's hearing you to know is you use anything and everything is a potential weapon and especially your hands before you be killed a man for you don't need a knife or gun because a lot of countries that we travel to you couldn't carry a weapon into that country if you carry a gun into Japan you at all or neither do you get a life sentence as far as I know where to get off a plane and get on a plane it but you could be shot right on the runway in some of the countries and South America and South America but in Africa because you as a mercenary as far as I know my father was sent there in the in the early 50s to that exact place so it's like it's strange for these things coincidences but but after this whole thing James you went very low under the radar for many years I mean I hadn't heard of you until you step forward and as far as I understand you know it was always black there's always black ball or whatever and I went away yeah it made my name disappear with service but but you have been involved in other very high level cases as well can I if I mention a few different things you just say pass if you don't want to talk about it or if you want to comment on it that would be amazing so on the day that Maryline Monroe died you drove three people as far as I know to an airport north of Chicago yeah I'll walk you I'll walk you is no route 45 yeah and who would you say you could take a airport Chicago and who were these people that you drove to that airport I'm gonna name two of them because they're dead one of them is not dead he's still living it and so I won't make them but there would be a Charles Nicoletti and then Leo Leo the lipstick called Leo Mercher the other guy was the electronic expert he is still living today he's my agent I'm not gonna put him in jail and with Kennedy the people I understand when Kennedy was killed it was a state law you couldn't shoot a president they only placed it going to die in me would be Texas and they made it as a federal law only two to an a few years later that you can no longer shoot a president but we used to joke about hey they took the president of the South of season you can't on them no more and my wife gets mad at me while I joke about things like that but you know that's the way we were about them that's how we lived we didn't let things dwell on our mind we didn't get upset we didn't want to walk around grand the blues all the time so basically the first part of my life I left my way through it just like the stateville prison this represent was I left my way through stateville that scars on me my scars my hands were stopped the shake with my hand and grab it took instead of the guy with it and few other things like that and doing guy down the stairs really tried to take me the stairs the guy behind me had a shrink the one in front of me had a shrink and they were trying to kill not because of Kennedy but because of the gangs and whatever I permitted there and I would fight on the city body and everybody I didn't care you go to prison in your 50 one in your and the roughest prison in the country you figure you ain't come out of life so you got no reason to worry about things if you stand there go to battle with them I'll bring it on so let's just show everyone you know a lot of people are going to listen to this you know I was trained maybe sealed I could do all the things that Jimmy does but I was trained in a different way and Jimmy like me was trained to be special and they took him and put him in a different program now he is a hero in his own way just like I am he's a hero in a different group of people so you have to understand there's you know a lot of people get taken and they get put in different programs some of these programs are good and some of them when we look back on them are not so good some of the things I've involved in the past I look back on them I go that wasn't so good I didn't know at the time so when you when you don't judge him I in my book I think he's a hero not because of what he did but because he was doing what he was trained to do and he was exceptional at what he was trained to do so don't don't be big judges out there see somebody guys in the comments it's not that way right thank you thank you I appreciate that yeah I completely agree so I think you know you're gonna wind up you don't know what you're doing half the time I went on assignments I've gotten the general idea of what was to be done I had the portfolio I would try and find my target and that would be it yeah and sometimes you go into countries where you're going to be bruised out and you don't know if you the trust those people are not that you have to plan away the escape in case the secret folies show up on you James can I can I ask you about the day when Sam Giancana was the night that San Giancana died he was about to he was called to testify and you saw some dirty you knew you recognized that the air followed Johnny Rosalia and you followed him could you describe what happened there when you followed him down river road you stopped at the Blue Horizon and dropped a party out there when members printed it a lot of the Florida with him and I didn't know they'd come in Florida but I was plainly got off of I was waiting to pick a party up by the name of Papas and I got him and I didn't even you know we didn't even recognize each other seek each other way over 12 Johnny Rosalia we just walked on by you they get in the crowd they was ahead of me I was in the car up front we followed Johnny when I'm river road stopped at the Blue Horizon left the guy out of the car Johnny Rosalia went all the way down we got by first avenue and by Lake Street I took a ride in turn and Johnny kept going south I knew he was going to see Sam but nobody related night we get into see Sam and this you know it's pretty close to Sam John Rosalia was I was one of the few that could go there a night time not going to the door going to the basement and my wife and I we just had lunch at the Charlie's restaurant not for from Sam's house we get a half ago and we just called the armory back then and you've heard of the armory I'm sure it was went through a couple of changes since then but not having the name Charlie on Zivini still got a bulletin important site and my right fix the pictures that there we talked to Charlie when he's there we're down there but I knew Johnny Rosalia was going to go there to see Sam that night and he had three different police agencies you know on stake out watching his house and they all three decided to go for lunch at the same time in a midnight for a midnight night so they gave Johnny Rosalia 45-minute window to go and kill Sam so naturally the Johnny knocked on the basement door on the outside to go to the outside and up through the outside and through the basement door down the steps uh Sam knew it was Johnny okay fine he was the door Johnny walked down Sam's cookin peppers and the sausage over at the stove in the basement and this wouldn't like to cook down there a lot a lot of that's fish and if he's cooking a fish you're buying a fish and that took him shopping or I was over there he hit me Jimmy boy see that fish what about a Sam he must not just be alive today so we always got a laugh out of that that night Sam was over there to still cook and Johnny put the gun to the back of his head put around and if they went down rolling over for four or five of a few to pound of the mouth and this was where Sam was laying in Mr. Sam was killed then at the same Jimmy Oppo was killed then Shukr's killed and then the guy down there dialed his George he was killed George and uh Shukr's killed the same day and Johnny and Sam were friends yeah oh yeah it's no matter if friends do not not when you're in the organization you uh get in order might be your brother so you're all brother if you have to so where do you think the order came from when it came to Raselli doing Sam came from the CIA yeah the mob knew Sam wouldn't talk Sam would go to jail again and do time and jail before he talked but the CIA don't trust nobody like that they want to make damn sure the Lewis engine tied up you're betting for Bushwood's director back then probably came from him I'm not gonna go ask yeah no so James can I ask you one thing that I really found incredible is that at one point you were kidnapped and you were almost tortured to death and you were left as dead where they were trying to get you to get you to reveal some secrets around Chokin' Echoledian and these other things how can you how is it humanly possible to withstand torture like that without talking it's unbelievable for me well they say yeah bad order they call it water so you know waterboarding yeah they tell you I bad waterboarding is but it's not all that bad and you as a neighbor still I'm sure you went to order board training also and yeah definitely and you know they're not gonna kill you so you're not gonna panic right you know the enemy's not gonna kill you because they want information I've never heard anyone say that it's not that bad that's good to me I'm the only other person on the Koki Koki restaurant at 1213 West Lake Street in Melro first a one block east of it at 1100 thing was 1105 had a social club there we had the cool tables in there a card table the guys played poker the place of the guys to hang out and we didn't let the public in there it was just a private club you know the guys lack that and so I'd call them in order for Boxing Amberger you know they probably had a 25 or 30 Amberger's for 25 30 fries and all kind of cook stuff so uh gorilla one of my guys he wanted to bring it down that he worked for me as a girl man lady night was it a replace and uh then I come and get it so I left the social club walked up the corner and the car coming did like a Hollywood stop rock back and forth next thing I know a can of something come out of the window sprayed me in the face and I was out before he hit the ground when I come to again my arms were up over my head I was stripped neck in and I want to do a brutal I guess I haven't done it two days and I want to do some brutal stuff they never broke me they never made me speak was the proudest moment in my life because I never gave up the ledger that they wanted and I had black and blue marks on me I was forced I couldn't talk no more my voice is gone so they cut me down and I was passed out they left me in the garbage stop got number still annoyed and uh old man and old lady come out there that morning dump the trash out and they went by and they called the cops and told them they said you've got a body out there in the garbage stop my ankles were still taped together my hands were taped behind my back and I was still but but as negative as he restocked on and uh they took me to the hospital I couldn't talk so I got a pencil paper and I wrote a note my phone I'm about to call my wife I wrote it for her to get gorilla I come and get me out of the hospital and so when he come out they they wanted to keep me in the hospital and he told them you may keep my balls and he picked me up at his arms and he carried me out of there and we called and gorilla because he was short stock you built and he had little bdi's I mean he actually spelled like a gorilla he wanted to get down to it and but he was a good guy the floor was they come so he said in my house with the rimington model 870 12-inch shotgun they said low and force but only but the police stop on the site he said they're for a week with me till I got my voice back in the tank of talk drug you police had come by and wanted up I needed neither cars they said when do you got a car parked outside your driveway one of each end of the block that if you need any more help or protection we're here for you just call we're sending a couple squads over and I'm parked out there now so I'm not thank you I've wrote a lot of so no thank you to be fine you'll give them the note and so they left they never gave me no problem about it and gorilla picked me up here in the bathroom sent me down the gun bank picked me up because I was in bad shape and after about four days five days as they were walked a little bit there's a week before I was able to talk but they never brought me in it's even been confirmed when the cruel agency the best thing is the service checks me out and everything they interviewed the FBI agents and one of them even admitted me yes he was torquish and I was there for the torture but it took no part in it and said or said or but he said they never broke him they never spoke of any crime he was involved in yeah incredible I think James there's one guy yeah or this time and as a Navy SEAL I'm sure you believe in that too yes before this summer absolutely yeah that's that's impressive uh I would hope that I could resist like that that's pretty good um James there's one guy called uh Michael done townly that I've been tracking down for many years that I know you were on the cranes and so I know uh according to your book that you were part of when uh Orlando Letir was assassinated in Washington DC blown up as far as I know you would love on delivering the explosives and townly was one guy behind uh also in Chile with the outtake of Salvador Alliand and the killing of Pablo Neruda we have the experience of putting the worst regime they'd ever seen could you say that I was in Chile again she wanted me to do away with Michael Tom and she told me because he can't be trusted and she was mad at him but I don't know what and I never had I thought