Great Interview with Pepe Escobar, on Pentagon Docs Leak, Ukraine, Russia, China, etc

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Right, let's discuss this now for the independent geopolitical analyst and all the Pepe Eskimo is in the studio with me. Pepe, good to see you. Thanks. Thanks for taking the time. Interesting story this one. What do you make of these unverified leaked US dog? I mean, first of all, are they real? Look, maybe you and some of our viewers remember Mad Magazine's spy against spy cartoon in the 60s. Mad was the black crow and the white crow and was absolutely delirious. This is something like that, but the problem is everybody on Twitter and Telegram looked at the secret intel. Which is not that secret. When you actually read it, there are a lot of inconsistencies. The language is pretty weird. The denominations of the weapons, sometimes is USSR and Russia sometimes is NATO. It's not coherent at all. So you can see there is something dodgy about it. So we don't know the details, of course. The Pentagon is desperate to spin. This is a fake. But we know it's not a fake. It was leaked, probably by an insider. The problem is US insiders. Is that a US insider? And for instance, Ray MacGovan, former CIA analyst who knows one or two things about the Beltway and how Intel works. He said, look, this looks a little bit like Vietnam. When the Pentagon used to put up those absolutely inflated figures, then we'll see the reality was completely different. But it could also be a mix of an element of misdirection in it. This is another CIA source. But why is that? Why leak it in the first place? Why leak it in the first place? Okay. Let's say culprit number one. Tony Blinken himself a few days ago actually telegraphed that the famous counteroffensive is going to start in a few days mid-Abron. And next week, probably. So if this is a misdirection, the Russian minister of defense reading all that, they said, okay, what are they exactly trying to say? So they're going to be slightly puzzled about that. I'm not sure they will be puzzled. They'll be probably laughing about it, right? So I don't see any assuming this was constructed to misdirect the Russians, the purposes forget it. But the problem is, which I think is way more serious, these documents prove that the United States is at hot war against Russian. And now this is undisputable. This is extremely serious. And people are forgetting to discuss this seriousness in the way I see it. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, there's talks that they're going to try and find out. We've got a lot to get through this one, sort of slowing it down a bit here. There's talks that, they're trying to find out who leaked it. Is that important? Is it really important? Who leaked it, as opposed to what was leaked? It's a very good question because it's down to the heart of how the American system works. It's about optics. It's not about content. Right. So, you know, your question is perfect because that's it. So, okay, let's try to find a culprit for this thing. A new Chelsea manning. Right. And then everything that is going to happen is going to be Chelsea manning 2.0. But nobody's going to discuss the actual facts. And the facts spell out the Americans, they have informants inside the Russian Ministry of Defense according to these documents. We don't know if this is true or not. So, they will be lovely to have an answer from the Russian Ministry of Defense. Right. Imagine if that is true. I mean, that's, even was an allegation. Was it said because they wanted Russia to shake the tree and see who would fall out? Yeah, it's called panic. Yeah, cause panic, cause chaos. It's the Empire of Chaos. We can have to forget that. And obviously, through the Russians off balance while NATO is preparing the so-called counteroffensive. Well, I spoke to Andrej Martianovic. So, the best military analyst writing in English anywhere in the world. He said, I wouldn't stress any thing that the Pentagon says. I'll keep my distance. He's absolutely right. So, even if it's true or fake, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Because the Russians, and I would say that Dmitry Peskov, with a few words, he nailed it. He said, we know that they are at hot war against those NATO and US. And whatever they do, we know that the SMO is going to continue the way we organized it. Right. So, that's it. Something to influence. In other parts of the league, there's sort of like showing that the US is... And we say it politely. Kippie and I on its friends and allies. That's a term I've never really understood. Right. We have allies and we have friends. Every statement that, you know, Anthony Blinken comes out with is like, no, our friends and allies. Are they different people, first of all? And now the US is just Kippie and I on... You know, just to make sure... I mean, South Korea has come out with the statement. South Korea is there. They are not friends and they are not allies. They are vassals. They are puppets. That's it, you know. So, according to their documents, assuming that they are true, they spy on everyone in Europe, all the five eyes and the Mossad and people who are outside of, as I call it, NATO stand, including South Korea. Yeah. So, everybody is treated like a vassal. Everybody is equal to the superpower and everybody is just by the palm. But this is something that we know for the past 75 years, right? There's nothing new about that. Yeah. So, we've known it for a long time. Not going to change anything then. But is it likely to bring some form of tension or re... Or, you know, I know, you know, ramp up the tension between friends and allies and the U.S. because of these? It could be severely counterproductive. We should look at what the South Koreans are going to do. Okay, most of the other friends and allies are supplying vassals. South Korea, they have an independent streak, you know. They are a pretty substantial mid-power, as it stands. And there's a lot of people in South Korea, even in the South Korea, political setup that is a grease, profound with the fact that the country technically is still an occupied country by the Americas. So, this is something that, depending on the next government in South Korea, could change in a heartbeat. And if South Korea starts thinking about a region of integration, Russia, China, and everybody jumping into Bricks Plus, we want to be a member of Bricks Plus as a country. That's a really good question. We could talk for hours here. I mean, the geopolitics that interlinks how everyone does business, especially the Bricks, especially China, the special relationship between, you know, back in the 80s, we used to hear about the special relationship between the USA and the UK. Now it's the special relationship between Russia and China. Things are changing geopolitical, that's for sure. But let's look at Ukraine and see how they respond. They said basically, false. Nothing to see here. Nothing to see. Nothing to see. It's just some guy on Twitter just, you know, ruffling feathers. I mean, clearly there's some, there's, in the old saying, there's no smoke without fire. So is there anything to see here? I mean, we are, I know we're speculating if they're real or not. But what's Ukraine? What would Ukraine get out of this? If they are real. They freaked out with the, I wouldn't say real numbers because according to the best Russian military correspondence on that terrain, the ratio of casualties is 10 to 1. According to these documents, it's more or less a 6.57 to 1, which is closer to the truth compared to what was being spun by the Americas until what a week ago, right? So obviously the Ukrainians, they could quickly freaked out about that because it's more closer to the, and if you extrapolate to what could happen after the end of the current slaughterhouse in the Mosk, wow, it's going to be, the Russians are, this, the Russian strategy, what's brilliant about it is that they just tweak it. And it's essentially the same strategy. Come here, we're waiting for you. And then we apply our amazing machine. This is exactly what they did in Artyomovs, and they didn't work brilliantly. And the most extraordinary thing in March and August said that I cannot believe that NATO planners did not see this coming. So this proves that militarily they are no avoid, really, you know. So this counteroffensive, which is basically being designed by the Americans, by NATO, by, in fact, until Mr. King's House sent his business card, that famous underground command center near VIV, which was flattened by a King's House, exactly. These are the people who were playing the counteroffensive. So interesting when you look at it. I mean, when this, this special ministry operation started, I remember thinking back, I wasn't in Russia at the time. I remember thinking back, saying, no, I'm sure, I'm not going to be in Russia. I'm sure Putin has thought this out. You know, Russians are a world famous known chess players, you know. I mean, world champions, in fact. All these steps are planned. He probably even knew that these were going to be, like, these disinformation leaks, or information leaks were going to come out as well. But this counteroffensive that NATO is talking about, is this just smoke, smoke of mirrors? It's desperation. It's the last act, because if this fails, that's it. It's over. So, you know, we are getting crazy numbers, like, 200,000 troops. Okay. But these are not the best Ukrainian troops, which have been eviscerated since February last year. You know, these are people who have been recruited probably last week, some of them, you know. Actual combat troops first class, maybe you're going to have what, 30,000, 40,000, and including NATO mercenaries, 50,000, but that's it. It's not enough for a counteroffensive. And the Russians, they have been digging trenches, they're waiting. They haven't even launched their best weapons yet, except for a few quinceals and a few zircon. So, it's a, it's a, I would say this is a, Artemovsk as a giant trap. If you think Artemovsk is bad, wait for the counteroffensive. And it's still the same way the SMO was planned. Of course, look, we all know there were many, many mistakes committed, especially in the first stage of the SMO. They are being more or less corrected, with general Armageddon sort of, you know, of course, among other factors. And of course, the Ministry of Defense, and I heard here in Moscow severe critics, directly against the Ministry of Defense. But they are correcting more or less mistakes, let's say localized mistakes, but the overall strategy remains, which is, we should always remember, demilitarization, not only of Ukraine, but of NATO. And this is being accomplished. There are no stocks left across NATO. So you know, ah, you want to go on for your offer another year? No problem. You're going to have one Kalashnikov left in one year from now. Yeah. Well, the Saturday we're running out of time. You and I are definitely going to be having to talk about what's going to happen with Finland. With Finland? That's another top story. But Saturday now, we've run out of time. Pepe Eskoy, pleasure. So thank you so much for joining me here. May play. Thank you so much. Today on RT, always good talking to you. Thanks again. Thank you.