The New JFK Show #269 The Skorzeny Connection

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Welcome everyone to the new JFK show number 269. We've got Otto Scorinsky. Scorini is going to get some research that Gloria Rivera has done and the Nazi connection has really not come up very many times, but come to find out the text is all boys and a few Nazis, which Clay Shaw does come up a little bit later in the show. Let's go ahead and turn it over to Larry and we'll talk about our new JFK blog into Larry is host. All right. Am I okay? Okay. Okay. Where were we? We're okay. Now we're going to ask them. So first of all, we were talking about Otto Otto Scorzenny and then Otto Scorzenny. And this guy was real ramble, you know, a type of guy. You know, he was towards the end there when it's one of Hitler's, you know, top rated operatives, you know, where he would go and do anything that Hitler would ask him to do no matter how dangerous. And he built a reputation, such a reputation that even right before the battle of the balls, Dwight Eisenhower had to be, you know, hidden away, so to speak, because they thought that he might have been, you know, the object of some type of kidnap or something like that, you know, because Otto was able to do such surgical operations that, you know, that was a possibility. And especially since he already had the one rescue operation where he went and rescued Benito Mussolini from House Detention in the Mountain Resort. And it was, this was called the Grand Sassal. And that happened on 12 September, 1943. And like I said, they were so, the allies were so paranoid that they had a high good old Eisenhower, you know, thinking that Scorzenny could have kidnapped him, you know. Yes, so that's how it's going. I know it. It's funny, but it's. It was explained to me that he actually came down in a glider in a private resort and then silently without a shot fired, catching Mussolini and brought him back to Adolf Hitler. So how was that? It was the Nazi James Bond. Yeah, actually 12 or 14, actually 12 or 14 gliders, it was a whole, but they did and they, you know, amazingly enough, you know, they pulled it off, you know, and it had Dwight Eisenhower over there, thinking that Batman's going to swoop down at any minute. That's right. That's right. You know, so, you know, I'm just like must have been crafting in his pants. Yeah, this guy has in real life, not on the screen. So there's two books, you know, that have recently been published on Scorzenny and we're talking about the gainus, the Scorzenny papers Ralph Gainus right here. And we've got the albarelli also a coup in Dallas. And both of them have different sources, primary source material. And in the case of Scorzenny papers Ralph Gainus went and actually obtained it auction in 2011, I think I, you know, a tranche of documents, you know, that Scorzenny had left with people whom he knew in Spain and who eventually were able to take a look at some of the papers, but, you know, as the entire thing unfolded, it was actually purchased by this Ralph Gainus. And based on that, he has been looking at everything, a lot of the documents in German obviously, but the result of his work, I have brought about, you know, a lot of whispers regarding the JFK assassination. And, you know, let's take, let's go ahead and read some of this. So, you know, our audience can get involved, you know, it's kind of, it's kind of wildly crazy, you know, here. Who was Sato Scorzenny? Yeah. Scorzenny papers by Ralph Gainus has been out since 2018. Gainus obtained the nearly 2000 page Scorzenny document collection at an auction in 2011, working for seven years on his book. Despite the lack of proper referencing a document cited by the author, it is a compelling piece of work, which allows researchers to peek into the turbulent world of horse world war two Nazi associations, movements and relocation. It also reveals the extent of the C.I.'s ultra secret nexus with Scorzenny. The relationship with Scorzenny, however, pales in comparison with his recruitment by Mossad, to set up and take up Nazi rocket scientists who dared work for any of the Arab countries. Netflix also has a new documentary on Scorzenny with tons of new information from the Spanish point of view. Yeah, you know, actually, which crazy is it since, you know, he knew all of the scientists. And plus, you know, I don't know if we'll talk about it, but he was involved in paperclip, about uprising paperclip and relocating a lot of these brilliant minds, you know, especially, you know, at auction, actually, because one way, the others went to the other, you know, sides of... I might add, as was Clay Shaw doing the exact same thing as Matt is doing here, rescuing rocket scientists. Yeah. And now, back to the background, he was the one that brought Ben Bran back to Germany. Branavon Bran, you know, when... Clay Shaw on a bicycle, I heard. And the only one that died in Bratietrial in the entire JFK, as I said, makes... Scorzenny lived in Spain for 25 years, protected by Spanish dictator Francisco Franco. After slipping through the net's cast of catch Nazis, escaping Germany toward the end of World War II, Scorzenny would eventually be found innocent of any war crimes when it legendary superspy, Yale Thomas, known as the White Rabbit, testified on his behalf. He later worked for several governments, and was in essence a mercenary who had deems of well-trained operatives who could be deployed anywhere in a moment's notice. He made a fortune when the US recruited him to broker the construction of the US Air Force bases in Spain to use by NATO, all with the approval of the Generalissimo. He was also at the top of the CIA list of potential recruits at joining the agency because of his vast knowledge of the German military scientists and politicians, one of which he would later set up for assassination by Mosah. Rocket Science... It was a piece of... Rocket Science crew, who has overseen the Egyptian Rocket Program, which is Rayleigh's where totally against was Lord Bison. What would they be against it? Yeah, I would imagine that's why they took out J.M. King. Go ahead, sorry about her. Lord Bison was lured by Scorzenny to meet in Germany where he'd disappear and never be heard from again, that place. As Gannis Pointe, Tess Garzenny, with a violent connection around the Nazi rocket scientist during operation, made work clear. So he knew exactly where to find him. Finally, recent revelations by Arthur Gannis indicate that either Scorzenny or members of his network were cutouts for the CIA and may have been involved in the JFK hit where one pass he used by the author, his reater in the face, right off the bat with a following ominous message. Forward. Mr. Director, only you can clear, Autoscors' any of the guilt of being an agent in the Dallas operation with a passive complicity of Alan W. Delas excerpt from a letter by Frenchman Paul Glouc, March 1975, Gannis, Major P, the Scorzenny Papers, evidence for the plot to kill JFK. Right. I don't care Cortana, which means Scarface, you know, Scorzenny. Yeah, you obviously had a huge, you had a huge flap there. Yes, and you know where that came from, that came from a fencing duel, which at the time, when he was, I think in the academy, they would do this without any transaction. Yeah, any mass or anything. And at the time, if that happened, it would be worn, worn as a badge of honor, might be. Yeah, you look really extra badass to the big old scar. Yeah, that's pretty nasty. Of course, Scorzenny became an independent paramilitary advisor to U.S. wrench and intelligence in the early 1950s. The presence of these men in the Scorzenny Papers indicates the experience level and lethality of Scorzenny's military network. Gannis also provides compelling circumstantial evidence indicating that Scorzenny's profile, regarding his travels and engagement with the CIA, point to the possibility who could have been the elusive QJ win. In the sense that QJ win, win would have been an organization gym, not a particular operative or person. I'd read Bradley Ayers writes about QJ win and others too, of course. Gannis writes that Scorzenny ties at Dallas, Wales in 1952 when he negotiated and dealed in bring Texas companies to Spain to drill, consequently traveled frequently to Dallas into all the oil barons and power broken of Dallas. Gannis continues, quote, Scorzenny is meeting with the Meadows oil group and the Fall of 1952 would result in a long partnership between him and the American general oil company that stretched from 1952 until at least 1963 a key day. The Texas oil connection to Scorzenny mentioned above are extremely important given the profile of his participants and the fact that Scorzenny was connected to CIA cover organization. And of course that's we're citing Gannis, Ralph Gannis here. But before Gannis, we had May Brussels, okay. Who wrote about Scorzenny and talked about Scorzenny in the 60s and 70s gym. So, oh, this command operation for hire was named International Feshesa. It's made Russell article, the Nazi connection to the JFK assassination. SS Colonel Scorzen, the CIA agent participated in terror campaigns wage by Operation 40 in Guadabala, Brazil and Argentina. Scorzenny was also in charge of the paladin mercenaries whose cover, MCE, was a mid-dread, expert. The following document, which was at least 12, 15, 2021, has a redaction showing through an invasive reference to the mad dread, planned destined interrogation center, the same one which was run by Scorzenny. The former Nazi would later work for the CIA out of Spain, where he established his base in 1951. So, hold on, hold on, hold on. So far, what do you think about the Scorzenny connection here, Jim? And Gary. Well, I think it's pretty heavy, Gary. That's pretty heavy. I mean, you know, this is, this is troubling. He certainly could have admitted the thick of it. He certainly a player. He certainly a player. He's been involved in some of the biggest operations ever. And in America, I'm trying to think about, you know, I mean, and let me just, and we're going to show you a document now that is redacted in non-redacted forms. And why this Madrid interrogation center is so important in this narrative. Go ahead. This document might be the smoking gun that elevates and connects Scorzenny to the top echelon of the U.S. government, which included both JFK, my connection to his brother in RFK, has seen in this operation, Mongoose meeting of this special group augmented date, Tremay 1962. No, Old Twyman wrote the following about the group in his book, Bloody Treeson, which I recommend to one and all. Absolutely. It's a treasure. It's big, but, you know, that's a hefty piece of work. It's heavy in every sense. William Harvey took his orders from this special group augmented, which was shared by General Maxwell Taylor, and augmented by Robert Kennedy, the president's father treated Harvey with other contempt. He browbeat Harvey in his age relentlessly. And of course, Harvey was in a chain of command is related by E Howard Hunt. And a huge and a huge player in all this CIA thing going on. Harvey was in charge of assassination worldwide for the CIA. And not only that, there's so many things about Harvey and now that are coming out, you know, but, go ahead. Yeah, he was a very nasty piece of work. He's a very mind. E Howard Hut told his son, St. John, when he thought he was on the verge of death, that the chain of command ran from Lyndon Johnson to court Meyer. Today, but at least, no William Harvey to David Sanchez Morales. And from him, and he was basically then in operational control. But we can't believe out George H. of your Bush and Edward Lansdale. The question becomes how Scorzeny fits into this mix. And exactly we're going to talk about Lansdale now because this meeting of three May 1962 is the one that brings all this together with their, you know, knowledge of, you know, this Madrid center and, you know, Scorzeny's participation in all this. Yeah, very interesting. Here we have Memorandum for the record. Minutes of the meeting of the special group, Augmented operation, Mongoose, you know, Johnson, he told me he actually came up with an aimed Mongoose for the operation. General Taylor, Bobby, Lyndon, Gilpatrick, Decker, Lansdale, Craig, McCone, Harvey. Yeah, the cream that's about here. That's about us heavy, heavy a group as you can have. That's right. Number one, General Lansdale gave an interim report on the progress of stepping up recruitment of Cubans into the US army. He said the consensus is that there are not more than a thousand citable individuals from who additional recruits could be selected. The attorney general commented that the president was just half. Thank you. A large number. General Lansdale said that various alternatives for training of such Cubans are being looked into. It was agreed that such a cadre of Cubans would be an asset to the US, which might be used in a number of ways. General Lansdale, subordered by General Taylor, pointed out in this connection, the matter of holding the individuals and giving them useful employment after they are trained isn't important and a difficult one. Here we go. Mr. Harvey, gave a rundown on progress today with agent teams and the Gerald Field of Intelligence, including the off-lock interrogation center. There's up a locker in Miami. Locker, right, right. Can you read that? Let me get you a little bit closer here, General, okay? Because this, okay, I'll be a lot of time. I think it's great that we can see through the red actions. That's the point of the whole thing. That is a perfect, exactly. Okay, so inter-interpreter. You may be able to read them easier than I learned. Yeah, and the Madrid clandestine interrogation center. That's the first redaction. The outlined various difficulties encountered and said that three agent teams have been infiltrated and that five WT, those are wireless transmitters. By the way, that's what the WT stands for are in place. Approximately 72 actual or potential reporting sources are also in place and then it goes a significant development is that major duke has refused to allow agents responsive to him to be dispatched on purely intelligence gathering missions. This sort of attitude has been forecast earlier as a possibility, but it's not as assumed. I don't think okay. Then three, Mr. Harvey, and this I don't know why they take him out of there, also commented on the two attempts made to intrude into a Von ATV program, so the group has to check be made. But the most important thing here to be looking at is at the top here the Madrid clandestine interrogation center. And then here at the left, you can see where you know whoever was redacting or working on that said excise Madrid only and leave the rest. So interesting very interesting. And then the original of the Von A is here. Okay, from documents. I don't know why it went through all that. We could have gone by the advisory deck if they could. Yeah, it's great. I love it Larry. Okay, so and here again, the Madrid clandestine interrogation center and that is the one run the run by Scorsese. So then you can go ahead and continue. Yeah, and it's funny how they they're trying to intrude into TV programs and they're not even sure if they're even successful or not. And if you might think they're in here, you know, and those days it was not easy. Okay, so the reason for the redaction is clear now. Yeah, so Madrid clandestine interrogation center mentioned in these documents appears to provide more circumstantial evidence of William Harvey's role and gain the mechanics in place on 22 November 1963. And by using untraceable assets from overseas provided by Scorsese to that effect is procurement of QJ win for ZR rifle. Purposes has been fully documented. Within this possibility, we're left with two operatives who might have been involved. Gene René, Sorte and Jean Paul Fulette, both of them. These are just two possible operatives and an entire setup in Dili Plaza. You know, this does not mean. Okay, these are the only shooters, but that they could have been part of a broader operation. We know that in Dili Plaza, there was so many different shooting positions. I don't know Jim, how many were you saying? Yeah, hey, okay. So it's entirely feasible that these two sharp shooters could have been one of the positions. Yeah. And you know, the thing is that they were both in Dallas. And there's documentation that proves that they were both in Dallas. And they were deported within hours of the assassination. I mean, the deportation must have been the escape, right? The escape plan? Well, what were they doing there? You know, you know, remember, Chancellor said, wandering around the Dili Plaza, he saw more than a mercenaries and hitmen than you thought. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Because men said, that's right. That's right. There's a recently declassified CIA document that informs about the explosion of a sort of tape, 48 hours after the assassination after having been in Dallas on 22 November. That's crazy. You know, John Svetra also known as Michelle Rue, also known as Michael Merch, you know. And so, and it tells us how, you know, go ahead, there's French hits. I'm not saying that this, you know, but you know, the presence of these guys there, you know, and doesn't make them shooters when it's yours as vicious. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And that is absolutely confirmed, Jim. You know, so this hit, this hit legal attaché in Paris. And also the, oops, I don't know what that says. This man has queried the Bureau and New York City concerning subject stating that he had been expelled from the US at Fort Worth or Dallas for eight hours after the assassination. He was in Fort Worth on the morning of 22 November and in Dallas in the afternoon. Well, I afternoon, it would have been too late, but yeah, French believe he is, he was expelled either Mexico or Canada. In January, he received mail from a dentist, you know, blah, blah, blah, subject is believed to be identical with a captain who is a deserter from the French Army and an activist in the OAS. French are concerned because of the Gauls planned visit to Mexico. They would like to know, this guy, you know, was the real deal here. Bureau files are negative and they are checking in Texas and with the INS. They would like a check of our files with indications of what may be passed to the French. Anyway, John, and a sweatra and wow, wow, wow, then you've got this one, you know, again, more, more documents that confirm that he was in Dallas. He was in Fort Worth on November the 22nd, you know, and he looks a lot like a hitman, Larry. Well, you know, my good. And then we've got here what appears to be Scorzenny and I told some of the people when this first came out, you know, this, it would have been way too easy, you know, to have a photo of Scorzenny with Cord Meyer and David Atley Phillips. I mean, it doesn't work like that, Jim, you know, and you know, you're either not that obvious. Exactly, exactly. It doesn't work like that, you know, not in this thing. For him to be in a private, you know, legit here. And I think when we talk the other day, I thought because they said, gain is reports that this is David Atley Phillips here and Cord Meyer sitting right here, okay. And this, which is which Larry? Right here, we have the mouse pointer, Cord Meyer and David Atley Phillips. And like I said, it would have been way too easy and convenient. I, you know, I disagree, disagree, you know, just don't get, you know, layups like this in this business. And, I was like, who's the guy with the cigar? Oh, that's Scorzenny. No, that is Scorzenny. Yeah, I'm sorry. That's a hell of a photograph, Larry. Well, that's what I'm saying, you know, it's like, it would have been way too convenient and way too. I don't know, Larry. Sometimes these things happen, you know, I mean, it's just a baby. I'm not talking about coincident, but that's a hell of a trio. A hell of a trio. Well, you remember when the guy with the cowboy hat looked like the head of the CIA, holding Liars well. You remember that? That's too easy. That's too easy. Never gonna be that easy. Okay, well, you know, we went ahead and we looked at you know, at the man standing up there in the middle, the one in the middle. And we just gave it an athlete's bullet. Right. And we went and looked at many photos of Ali Phillips. And as you can see, this guy wears his wrist watch on the left, wrist. Yeah. And if you go and you look at Ali Phillips, there's just so many pictures of him. And he's wearing it on his right wrist. Oh, really? Yeah. Way too many way too many. So this is probably not at Li Phillips. It's romantic. It's romantic. Yes. But, you know, I don't think so. Obviously, obviously, we don't have, you know, we have this, you know, top view. But the one sitting down, I thought, hey, you know, this guy looks like a Carter, you know, Cliff Carter. There you got to flip your eyewear glass. LBJ. It's a little bit left. We all know Cliff Carter. LBJ's henchman, you know. Oh, you think that could be Cliff Carter? Well, that's what I thought. But when I did a study, I mean, it was like a dead ringer, Jim. But when I did a study of the ear and the earlobe, nada, zilch, forget it. And you see the ear? Yeah, I went and looked at, I went and trust me, I did the research. You're on it. It didn't work out. But I want to be romantic. That would have been, you know, to see scores, any fun around with some of LBJ's pals, you know. Yeah. And court Meyer, yeah. We're members of the Scorsese organization involved in the JFK assassination at the execution level. The Scorsese papers author, major Ralph Genneth certainly as good as he's found here, a few to belaminus of this. I can't, yeah. How does it fit in the LBJ framework of called humility? Genneth's research linking Scorsese to Dowsoil certainly brings him into the LBJ sphere of influence. True. Being distinct entities in universe of possibilities for compartmentalization is key. The use of Scorsese certainly would have created an effective busser of possible deniability. The inclusion of the usual suspects at the scene of the crime was paramount in achieving this. We just mentioned, you just mentioned that a little while ago, you know, the, all different entities there are daily positive. Yeah, trancey. Yeah. The inclusion of the usual Scorsese being a relatively new player in the kaleidoscope of who've done it. It's out there will probably take a while to sort out repulsing the ranking determined by how strong the evidence of his involvement may be regardless. Genneth's indefinitely proven his points regarding the Scorsese organization and his ability and availability to do contract work. Let's say wet work for the government. Yeah. He did, and he did him for the Israelis. Yeah. He did not. Yeah. Yeah. No political inhibition. That's right. That's right. The Madrid had less than interrogation center. Doc shows this post supports the thesis and throws a veil of dark serendipity. Have this turned out to be the entity that took out the present with his brother Robert. We mentioned in the three main 1962 operation, Mangause Manipolo, along with John McCone, William Harvey, Ed Lansdale, Maxwell Taylor, Roswell Gilpatrick, and the other warmongers who celebrated the day of the JFK assassination as a Yarsherty in the era of the deep state. Serious shit, Larry. Right here. And this is here is that again, the not redacted. And it's like, like I said, you know, if you have something here, this document that shows it, Robert Kennedy, Mr. Kennedy, they don't even, you know, Mr. Kennedy, you know, Robert Kennedy, you know, was present, you know, and this whole thing where they're actually mentioning, you know, the people that later on might be involved in taking out John Kennedy might. Yes. You know, yes. So, and that this document would, you know, bring all this out, you know, let's, more or less trying to get at. That's good. That's really good to stop. It's a big thing coming out, you know, a lot of the people, you know, like we had, and we, we spoke to Casey Quillen, who's done a lot of research on this, and Dr. David Denton, who's gonna, you know, also be presenting something about Scorzenny, I believe, and because of these two new books that have come out. Scorzenny papers and Kuhindalus, you know, and, and both of them, you know, they go about it from different perspectives. I didn't mention on the Albert Ely book. He uses a diary from a guy, oh, my god, Lafitte, okay, this, a fellow by the name of Lafitte, and he has this diary, and he was involved in this whole Scorzenny thing, you know, from a different perspective. So, a lot of the information that he has confirms what gain is rights in the Scorzenny papers. Okay, so that's why, you know, they're both working from different perspectives here, and that's what's coming out now, believe it or not. So, we'll see how it works. And, sorry, I think this is quite a significant find. I'm very struck and impressed. Yeah, and if, and the thing about it is the connection to the Texas oil, do you know, that is unbelievable. Yeah, just like you, Mars said, Dallas was a different place. They only had one night. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, by the way, oh, and by the way that I forgot to tell you guys tonight, we didn't even talk about this. Scorzenny had deep connections to Harold Bird, the owner of the TSD and a Scorzenny used to broker safaris to Africa. And where was Harold Bird on the weekend of the assassination? On a trip on a safari and an apricot. Organized by auto Scorzenny. No, no, no, no, no, no. Shit. It's hard to smell around here. There's a priest type circle, Larry. Yeah, like that. Did you say? Kim Mars brought that up quite often. How small and what a different town it was. I mean, there were no huge buildings and stuff. Yeah, no, no, what Harold Bird did about the window at the TSD, right? You know, you know what he did with that window, right, Jim? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I put it in. You know, yeah, yeah. Bigs for our museum is a mockup. That's a replacement. But you know that there's no way. Remember, I mean, nobody actually shot out that window. So it's really. But it's a nice token of the fraud, you know, of faking the past. So so anyway, that's what, you know, audience should, you know, take this thing, this thing about auto Scorzenny is serious, I think. And yeah, you know, right, a lot of research for sure. So all right, you want to go on to the next one? Are you on the call of the show? No, we're good, we're good, we're good. Okay. All right. Any final words there before we go on JFK 269. I think this is a very, very significant development and Larry keeps doing not going to matter the park. Love it. Another home run, no doubt about it, Larry. All right, we're going to see you guys next week with JFK number 270. This has been number 269. We'll see you next week.