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Biden releases JFK Documents Wilhelm Oltmanns/Jim Garrison The New JFK Show #267

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We examine if there is any useful information in the declassified documents? The first half of the show was devoted to exploring the role of Willem Oltmans in the assassination of JFK, where he was an associate (and suspected lover of President Sukarno of Indonesia) and was also close to George De Mohrenschildt, who many suspect to have been Lee Oswald’s handler. In an ironic gesture, Oliver Stone cast him to play De Morenschildt in his film, "JFKI". The duration of the show focused on my letter to Cyril Wecht about Oliver’s "JFK Revisited", which was disappointing to the max, where Cyril has replied that he was only a featured guest and had no role in scripting the film or the choice of topics. Judging from Oliver’s odd interview with Joe Rogan, where he constantly had to refer to his own "script" (whereas in the past, he could effortlessly talk about JFK for hours with no notes), we are inclined to believe that this new movie was deliberately designed as a "limited hangout" to reveal nothing that has been discovered over the past 40 years.

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Welcome everyone to the new JFK show number 267. All right, tonight we've got a couple of presentations. I've got one about Wilhelm, Outman, how we pronounce it. Altman. Altman's. Right. But before we do that, I would like to talk a little bit about last week's show. We covered our stone on the show, Rogan. I just want to bring up a few things. It's been 58 years now and we have some of the biggest platforms show time Joe Rogan and they're handing at the possibility that there could be a conspiracy here. And that kind of stuff really makes me angry, you know, at this point in time. And last week they're talking about how we nailed the coffin in the single bullet theory this time. As if the nail hadn't been nailed in the coffin a long, long, long time. Ray Marcus, Ray Marcus did that in the 60s. Exactly. And if you, if you remember Jim Garrison's address that NBC gave him, there was a picture of the magic bullet framed on the hang on the wall. And then there was the, you know, another poster where the magic ball was doing other. See that is such nonsense at this point in time. And I want to bring up what they could have taught. In fact, Gary, Gary, hold on a second. In fact, in fact, Ray Marcus's paper was the title was the bastard bullet. The bastard bullet. Yeah, bastard bullet. Yeah, no one would be actually, we actually know where it came from. Yeah, there was a, this human service agent found it in the back scene and he took it inside and put it on the stretcher. And he swore his neighbor. The secret to hear. Yeah, yeah. That was great. All right. All of it didn't even get that in. See, I mean, how stupid is this? All right. So that was confirmed, Jim. Yeah. Yeah. Now, no one thing is the new come tapes. In my mind, whether or most revealing. Yeah. Audio evidence. And Larry, just tell us about the new tapes real quick. Well, they're compelling. They're very, very compelling. You know, they tell the truth. You know, they're speaking from the great. You know, the four. What it is, the four motorcycle cops were recorded separately. And they all said, is the prunter film was fake as you know what? So I said, nice. They didn't say that, Gary. They said the limo stop. They verified the limo stop. I can't help that. But that implies the film was altered. They weren't saying the film was altered. I don't know if they've ever even seen the fucking film. No, no, no, no. Yeah. They ever sent the film by a newcom and they each looked at it separately. And one of them did say that film's been cut up. Yeah, Douglas Jackson. Yeah. Oh, okay. Good. I stay corrected. Thank you. Good, good, good. Good. In fact, all of them said that. Yeah, that's, that's, that's what the newcom's strategy was to send the tapes to the videos eight millimeter copies, which had been bootleg from Jim Garrison sent them to California. And there they made all kinds of second and third and fourth generation copies and and nukem sent them the eight millimeter tapes. And he didn't tell the other ones he was going to spend it to them. Yeah. And when Douglas Jackson saw that, he said, and that that's just been cut up. It's been edited. Right. And then he said, I'm going to die closest to Kennedy said it's been edited, which we've been screaming. Well, that's not what happened down there, you know, yeah. And it was all over. It doesn't even, and all of it doesn't even get that even though Larry's got a home god damn book about it. Right. Well, no, no, the original tapes are they needed was, you know, why when if stone really wanted something of value, you know, forensic value, you know, here they are. And you can verify the authenticity, you know, with tighter and the chain of custody and ownership of the tapes. And that's it, you know, and and and feel what really happened there. And they do say the limo stop. Besides the film is what they say. Yeah. And it's just a slam dunk home run triple ground. Jamie, Jamie says, you know, hard just ran in between running in front of me. So yeah, there's more information on those tapes that Larry covered. And I have a little bit with these are for him. Now the second thing is very, very good. Now you want to put something compelling in your film, Oliver, you want to put in Billy, love lady being black hole man. And you prove that Larry has shown not just with the old photographs, which were good enough, you know, I've got to sit no there like 60 different things that match up, but Larry's over here with computer generated blender. And it's just without question anymore. And not even that far in between all that there were photo overlays, which is a tried and true silence, you know, so Larry's that would have been a good thing to put in the movie. All right, the next thing, Lee in the doorway, of course, but what about Jack Ruby being framed. What about the black, the guy put in the black, you know, black bag man. And that's not really the black, not being the killer of I mean, I think that's huge. The backyard photos Larry's tearing that up. We went from Jack White to Larry to blender and it's just 100%. But but but Jim's work with the Zapruder film and bringing the top experts, you know, and yeah, yeah, and Zapruder film and in the autopsy photographs, you know, with Dr. and son and and I mean, they've been to the film holds, you know, which is one of my favorites, you know, I thought about was go white, why not let's bring that up that we figured out who it was. Yeah, and then the last you know, you know what, you know, if he really wanted kick ass Gary, now you mentioned that he would attract down Ricky white, you know, and easy easily available. I'm sure he's still around, you know, in Texas, you know, and brought him and said, you know, tell me about your dad and you know what, what happened here, you know, yes, none of it. We were suspicious that the magic bullet theory may be false. And and then the last thing is look, we had Amy Joyce on the show at Gorilla Man spotted, you know, in a different location. And you know, we've done so much discovering and Larry gets the gold star. And I can't even think of them all. Because before before, you know, we had Jack, you know, Jack white and people like that, you know, Penn Jones and and so many others, you know, the first generation, I was a great place for, you know, I mentioned Ray Marcus, you know, and he did that great paper on the magic bullet, you know, which, they could have, they could have mentioned him, you know, Ray did this, you know, and it was very important at the time because they really nail the whole thing, you know, as far as I'm concerned. Others that came way, way before us, you know, and kept chipping away, you know, at all this, you know, morass, you know, of crap that the Jeff K assassination, you know, cover up as me. Exactly. And then what do you got to say about Amy Joyce and Gorilla Man? I mean, she nailed it. That was a fantastic show. She nailed it. Yeah, yeah. In fact, out of her plagiarized, I show with the ring, you know, that kind of stuff. She's the one with you. And we reported that here for, you know, first one. I suspect it was D.U. Genio doing the plagiarizing. He was being very careful not to cover any of this sensational new stuff, so it would be boring as shit. Well, you know, what was amazing is that if you mentioned the ring, but you don't go beyond because right after the thing about the ring was the thing about Roscoe. And also you, you, you know, you only went as far as the ring, but you could have gone, you know, much, much farther, which would have brought the Roscoe overlays into play, of course. Okay. All right. Real quickly. Now that we've got that out of the way. This is I would have brought in fact, I would have brought Ricky and showed him the overlays of the backyard man photos and and ask him, you know, is this your dad or what, you know, that's what I would have done. And there's so much we can't even remember it all at one time. So all right, Larry, tell us a little bit about this guy who looks an awful lot like us. He was well, how. Yeah. It was rumored to have been involved in a gay relationship with a cicada, the guy from Indonesia. And because he worked for him, it's quite a story. Well, what I'm going to do is just show you quickly the cast and characters that we're going to read a new document released by the Biden administration. All right. So this will, will help. And will help was on a plane and just so happen to speak to Marguerite Oswald. Right. And this is Jim Garrison here, of course, is going to be in the document. So they're going to be talking about that where Altman interviews Jim Garrison overseas in Holland. And then we got of course Oswald right there, which is claimed by Judy to be altered to make him look like he's frowning. Me, me, me. Yeah, he doesn't look me even altered to me. No, none of this one, none of this one. Yeah, you got it. All right. So let me give him a second. Get rid of this. Actually, there we go. All right. So next step, we're going to read. Uh oh. You know, all you have to do is go to Google and go photos and you would have seen a whole bunch of photos of this guy. Oh, yeah, we can do that right now. You like, but we're going to go Google and say in one of them's photos and you'll see. Okay. Okay. Just take a second. So we got. In fact, they even had photos of him playing the mourn show in JFK. Yeah, he sure does. He has a movie credit for this. You got to put photos. I'm coming. All right. So he's all over the internet. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, okay. The one here on the left here, that's in JFK. For the left. That's that one right there. That's from the film JFK. Yeah. He plays the mourn show. Very interesting. Uh, Jim. This guy. They went and tracked them down and put them in the movie. What I'm going to do. I'm going to let Jim read this right here. This is straight out of the. There's a lot to learn from it. There it is. Right. Just a conspiracy. Kennedy's thing. We'll go back. Go back up to the top. Gary. Go all the way. Yeah. What kind of message you think all of his stone was trying to send by putting him in his movie? I don't know. That's pretty damn peculiar if you ask me. What was born into a wealthy family with roots in the Dutch East Indies during the second world war. He was a member of the Dutch resistance. We blew up a German train, but don't the Dutch daily reform us dog of bond in 2003 Hitler called me a terrorist. But I saw myself as a freedom fighter. There is a classic stage. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. Yeah. He's not even that. Then road business university in 1940, six and Yale 48 without red. I always Yale or Harvard is what I want to know. Yale is a CIA university in my opinion. I got all the spoons from there. You're right, Jim. Originally in China on a career with the diplomatic corps for a service. He ended up working in press offices in the Netherlands. He was a close confidant of both Beatrix and Gertrude Murray, but both Hound, who had been the crown prince Beatrix tutor since April of 1951. He married in 55 worked as a freelance reported Roman 56 interviewed and befriended Indonesian presence to carno. During the car nose trip to Italy in 1956. It started his career as a controversial journalist, which induct security service with closely watched for many decades. And you're suggesting Murray. He began a gay relationship with carno. He's in the CIA document. He was white a handsome guy. I mean, you know, you said the document. Jim, it's in the document that you're going to see now. Yeah, yeah. That I'm going to see now. Keep going. Let's keep going. In June of 5080, moved to the US convinced that a well connected and informed individual can play this icy rolling international political arena. He assumed a proactive role in global political developments becoming both a news reporter and a news maker. Ah, why? Why? Go ahead. Larry, did you want to add? No, no, no. It's the will of the Dutch built government op-ins interviewed Indonesian presence to carno in 1956. Once he became a confident of his car, no. And part of his inner circle. He took it upon himself to convince of broader public and the Netherlands of the legitimacy of saccardo's viewpoints in 57. He pled for the transfer of Dutch New Guinea to Indonesia while in Indonesia. He claimed to have prevented a Dutch war against Indonesia over to Guinea by sending a memo to US president Kennedy. Subsequently, Joseph Loon's minister of foreign affairs covert tried it covertly tried everything to sabotage what was career with considerable success. For a long time, he was forced to live off a welfare for crying out loud. Boots had now become Altman's nemesis, called him a one-engine mosquito 1995. Altman's published his book, My Friend Saccarno. He fought a long lawsuit against the Dutch state, which he eventually won in 2000, a commission awarded eight million guilders for a million dollars in damages after taxes. Having paid two million in lawyers fees, he bought a penthouse on a canal in Amsterdam in a Steinway Piano. Kennedy Conspiracy. Altman was based in the US in the 60s where he worked as a repur for touch TV broadcaster in OS and lobbied members of Kennedy's administration regarding New Guinea. In April 5, the 1960 when he tined it aboard meeting with National Security Advisor, McGeorge Mundy, who we know was involved in the plot, which he supported to transfer a New Guinea from the Netherlands to Indonesia, which occurred on August 15, 1962, with support from the US. Joseph Lones, who was a prominent Dutch diplomat, vehemently opposed a transfer, ultimately had Altman declared persona non-grata for life. After JFK was assassinated in 1963, interviewed the mother of accuser assassin Lee Oswald, Marguerite, when we met in March in 1964 at JFK airport. Wasn't that fortuitous? Wasn't that... And was seen at next door on the flight. Yeah, that had to be prearranged. No doubt about it. Further investigation, Graham, to Oswald's acquaintance, George de Mornschild. On 15 October 1965, Altman's interview to DeMorse Schild for NOS in a 40-minute film that was only full length featured interview of George de Mornschild. However, the film kept at Hiver soon disappeared. DeMorse Schild must have said more than he should have. In 1977, DeMorse Schild agreed to disclose information on Altman's what disappeared from their meeting place and was found dead in Florida a few weeks later. No, no. And right before Gaten Fonsi was also supposed to have seen him in fact the same way. Well, Fonsi was supposed to be coming up to the house when he's supposed to have shot him so with a shotgun. Exactly. And then Bill O'Reilly came out with this bullshit story that he was there and that he heard and saw everything that happened. Larry, where does where do people like this come up with that bullshit? It's unbelievable. The O'Reilly was there. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, O'Reilly has has peddled a fantasy here on 15 October 1967. Altman's interviewed the DeMorse Schild for NOS. Well, this is the one we already got there. A few weeks later on March 3rd, 1977, DeMorse Schild and Altman's flued to the shiphole airport in the Netherlands where he had left his luggage money and keys at Altman's home and then a few days later flew to Brussels where they had a 12 30 lunch date with a Soviet diplomat with him. DeMorse Schild conversed in Russian and abruptly left the table. Altman's never saw DeMorse Schild again on 29 March 1977. And March Schild was found dead at his daughter's home in Florida due to and apparently or allegedly self inflicted gunshot room via the mouth. Altman stated that a tape requiring of the event existed in which footsteps can be heard followed by the sound of a shotgun discharging and then footsteps heard again. So the footsteps did not come from DeMorse Schild. Maybe the first ones. El Richards said prior of the House like committee investigating JFK state DeMorse Schild was a crucial witness based on the new information he had a crucial. A crucial witness a few days later, Altman told the HSCA that DeMorse Schild had implicated himself in the conspiracy to kill JFK and had his rossal. DeMorse Schild attorney said I definitely feel there wasn't conspiracy and that definitely was the opinion of George Altman specified for three hours behind closed doors and told the committee to more child told him in discuss the assassination with Lee Oswald from eight is when the hell would he have done this for me to see. He made his e I mean Lee wasn't to my knowledge involved in planning the assassination. Larry what sense you make of this point of that's complete disinformation with the PDF fellas you know, you know, I know, I really yeah, thank you, Garrett. DeMorse Schild told me DeMorse Schild told me that Oswald acted as his instruction. All this is ridiculous. Yeah, and that he knew Oswald was going to kill this is such rubbish. Although Altman's given information to committee shortly before DeMorse Schild's death had released Altman from his promise not to devolve certain information. He once revealed that DeMorse Schild whom he had known for 10 years and told him there had been a conspiracy to assassinate JFK and that he played a role. DeMorse Schild said the C I and FBI personnel involved as well. No doubt about that. Altman played the role DeMorse Schild in all of his stones 1991 film about the assassination JFK. Hey, what the hell was Oliver doing casting this guy as the more child. Yeah, yeah, is anything more is raising more. I mean as far as JFK, I think that's good. And so, um, right now we're going to go tell you I think I applaud him for doing that. You know, yeah, well, it's certainly intriguing. Yes, yes. I do not have a problem at all with him doing that. All right, so when you think of Joe Biden, you don't think much about JFK, but apparently we do have some new document. This is a wild, this is a wild document. It really is. You know, it's all right. So how to press, by the way, it just from the release in the summer. We call it the new JFK show because we have new stuff, not 150 year old stuff like the magic theory could be incorrect. All right. Okay, now, confession, you need to take a drink of water before you read the next part. Let's roll down to the parts worth reading. Yeah, let's get to the salacious part. Yeah. All right, here we go. As it was actually released in 2021, by the way, right. Yeah. Keep going, Gary. I mean, there's nothing to read. It's from Ray Roca. So you know, this is a record of the release and so far. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Samary. Garrison appeared on Dutch TV on 22, February, 19, 6, top of top of top of top of the top. Sorry. Garrison and the Kennedy assassinated interview. Garrison on Dutch TV by Willem D Oldman. And he's got a two or one file. Now he's got a two or one file, right? You and you and I may have a certain doesn't necessarily means that he worked for the agency. Just at the agency has a file on him. You know, right. And I really, and I really do want to wait you. They have a file on you and on me and many of our associates, possibly including Gary, who's now raising these sticky issues. Yes. Samary, summary. Garrison appeared on Dutch TV on 22, February, 1968. He continued. In fact, escalated his attack upon CA in a persuasive performance. There's a possibility. Do you think? I'm sorry. Do you think Garrison might have had some, you know, companions that he did not know about, you know, shadowing him, you know, from, you know, from airport to airport and. Better than this hole. But, you know, so that they know exactly what he was doing and what time or whatever. Yeah. I think that's important. All right. Go ahead. Dr. Professor. There's a possibility of a follow-up program in Holland and replace elsewhere in Europe. Garrison's interviewer William L. Oldsmann. Is a Dutch pro-con. So he pretends not to be in a homosexual who seems to be or to have been intimate with express that's who carnivore of Indonesia. Consideration has been given to forwarding to the station at the Hague over derogatory information about Garrison from the US Western TV interviews were released to see. CA, they mean, of course, CIA. Yes, that's no, no, no, CA is propaganda. Okay. Details. Referenced states on 22, 568. Garrison appeared on Dutch TV during prime time for one hour. Either reference explains whether Garrison traveled to the Hague or whether the show was taped in the US and sent to tape the tape on tape to Holland. The Dutch desk believes the latter is true that he was recorded here in the US and then sent over. She's, we missed something here. No, you can, you can. Well, just that she said that her ex-sides, but there's no context for this. Oh, she said, maybe, uh, pages missing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where this. Yeah, there's a page missing here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, she said her ex-sides have been in presence of her with close friends. And then he wrote to the Sicarno at least once a week throughout their marriage. Around 1957, she and Opens lived at a paramount hotel New York for a time. The Indonesian government paid their bill, which was more than $300. I wonder if that's a day. Sicarno threw her husband in May 1959, Copenhagen at the time of the introduction. Sicarno cleared the room of all bodyguards and advisors and said, who are so you are free to. Well, I am sookie. He told her he looked for to receiving his weekly messages from her husband and then he always read them just before he went to sleep while he was in bed. She said 10 minutes after wedding ceremony with Altman's was over. She was alone. Her father, she said learned that Altman's had a police record for the molesting young boys in Amsterdam. She obtained a Mexican divorce and I mean, this was that one over a marriage. They were married and then it was over already. She said that Altman says at least intellectually and communist and believes communism to be the economic system of the future. Hey, Bob says Altman wrote pre-Lamumba article pro-Lamumba articles in 1960 visit Cuba 1962 perhaps 1963 developed friendly relations with. Trycom Chinese communist at the hey can may have visit Cuba in 1964 in August of 60 on the five it looks like. He applied for Chica and visa at the head in FBI reported 12 May 1967 says Altman's claim to have written for ramparts an article about the CIA in Indonesia no such article has been found. Reference be requested background information about garrison mental health and performance of the public official a summary of the raw get to information from over US media for the past year March 67 to March 60. What do you think what do you think over US media would be. Life magazine time channel. Yeah, sure. Life time New York Times. I mean, they're all they were all in on it. Yeah, CBS. NBC. NBC. Every decision will soon be made whether part or all this material may be sent to station for use by judge CIA propaganda assets. Yeah, there he's a more yeah. Here we go. The following were garrison's charges Kennedy was word because he favored a detente that's a mental to the interest of military industrial complex. Yes, and he will check mark hold on Jim. We'll take that. Kennedy was a victim of a CIA plot. CIs made common cause with a military industrial establishment because of a vested interest in maintaining the Cold War. CIA is committed to the land war in Asia, whereas one of president Kennedy's last orders directed a reduction of troops there actually removal by the end of 64 big time check mark. A US president who brings the US to the brink of peace will suffer Kennedy's fate to the brink of peace. Like the American universities. That's why the program has been designed for a European audience. Garrison said the growing influence of CIA on US media had made it impossible for him to be heard in his own country rolling stone magazine. Yeah. References as garrison calm and composed was sufficiently credible to elicit rather favorable reviews from generally well informed Dutch newspapers several Dutch viewers also commanded on the credibility of his person in presentation likely that NTS will try to sell this program to other European stations reference B says the Dutch place was generally favorable in that. Nasty comments noted he's seen many many comments noted he seemed logical in control of his facts the majority opinion among embassy US I.S. and C.I. person out the Hague is that he's incredible to a large proportion of the Dutch viewers symbolizer 17. The US is also a very important thing. Feels that the program created an all time low in the US image in the Netherlands Dutch TV alluded to a third part of the interview still to our calm. I almost ate a bird. I did a Yale. Well, I think you know the just of the document is the exposure that Jim Garrison had overseas where immediately after the assassination, you know, the these European countries knew that this was a coup d'état. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was told instead in an interview, you know that in Europe, you know, they made fun of the naïve of the American public in believing that you know. And you talk about the more I saw a video of the more and she'll say in that in the only place in the world where you know alone not you know it's killed by another little nut. You know, you know, in a case of this magnitude, you know, it's only in the US, you know, you could have something like a gullible population could be fed such nonsense and it actually be taken seriously. So, you know, the original authors that really, you know, promoted and moved the case, you know, towards, you know, towards conspiracy where you know, like little survives. And we mentioned Joachim Jostin, you know, and even an American author by the name of Tom Buchanan, who had to leave the US to publish his book, you know, in Europe, you know, because he also and you should see his book is, you know, this small, but you know it's full of you know a lot of, a lot of, you know, early good information, you know, and refuting, you know, what originally was coming out of Dallas. I like the part about the all time low of United. Yeah, yeah, I mean imagine, you know, how character, how character assassination, you know, is so prevalent, you know, in that document, you know, obviously, Gary switch switch to me host, okay. Okay. Here we go. So I go to participants. Yeah, just say make host. Okay. Boom. Okay, thanks. Okay. Now, something happened. This is my show today. We need to know. This is it's just happy, faffing, gulo at the bottom from what he calls a district of criminals. We do a lot of shows together. I'm really see Liger with whom I also do a show called truth versus news on Sunday in Hollywood was available. So I plugged her in. Now this is coming to the very end. The last story we were covering. And then I go to their final thoughts in my own that I wanted to share this with you because I was rather surprised by how this played out. While they give them injections, I just can't imagine a government that would push that at this point. Well, these are baby killers are out to kill all of humanity, but how grotesque in your actions become. This is just disgusting beyond words. Meanwhile, I said a question, a request for an evaluation of the current state of JFK research to Cyril Wack, who's a very famous squariner of Allegheny, Callie. He's been called in on virtually every major case you can imagine. Here he's been cited in a new article dated February 5th of 2022. JFK assassination expert Lee Harvey Oswald loan gunman theory is bullshit. Cyril, we all agree the single bullet theory is bullshit, but we have known that for over 50 years. So that is not news what I and others here know doubt. And I set this to leading experts. You may not know all those people at the top of this list, but those are leading experts, including the last all over stone. We all agree that was we have known that for over 50 years. So that's not news which I and others here know doubt would appreciate is your personal assessment of the current state of JFK research. I and others were acutely disappointed by Oliver Sones JFK revisited in which you David Doug and others were featured. Even when it featured experts like yourselves, it did not address their more important work on the fabrication of the X raised the revision of the recruiter film, the physical alteration of JFK's cranium by Humes and Larry's extraordinary work, complimenting that of Ralph that Lee was in the doorway of the Texas School looked a positive. And JFK's motorcade pass by I cannot imagine how a new film by Oliver still believe out the discoveries of such extraordinary importance. I have suppose that was the results of relying upon do you genial as the script writer of Blunder in my opinion of mine numbing proportions. I assume you know of these developments and are interested in knowing whether you recommended their inclusion to Oliver. My own JFK special 18 November 2021, which I dedicated to Oliver stone present some of the new evidence that in my and others you ought to have been included nothing in this 2021 film was not already known by 1980 when lift and book first up here. So what is the explanation for these omissions thanks Jim PS I'm also copying Oliver on this message and invite his response as well. Here you can see it's found on my bit shoot channel Jim Fetzer the real deal JFK special 18 November 2021 dedicated to Oliver stone whose new film will be released on 22 November 2021. His JFK was a masterpiece with three flaws. He did not know also was in the doorway of the book depository at the time the JFK passed by or that this is a pruderm film had been massively edited. No doubt because he was relying upon advice from Robert Groden who has played the JFK community virtually from the beginning. And he posited three hit teams when their turnout have been eight assassins. My worry is that this sequel, which I have been told was screenwritten by one Jim D. U. Genio may suffer from similar defects. We shall see I did receive a private note from Cyril saying he was just one of the featured figures and wasn't you know involved in planning out the film. But he only said it to me personally didn't even share it with a group. I find this very embarrassing. I have other questions to put to Cyril that will be less easy to answer just happy your thoughts. Well Jim one of the things I loved in years past when before YouTube was shut down by the globalists serving technocrats was when you and Larry Rivera and Gary King and and I can't think of the other gentleman's name out of Minnesota would do the new JFK shows. I think I watched just about all 200 some episodes and I just love that I look forward to each time a new episode of come on because you guys would go back. 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It's all linked together, Jim. It's the same hidden hand. And so they can't allow this to ever come out because the hidden hand is actually the hidden malignancy. And it is so woven into every fabric of corporate government academic life that if it's exposed, they would literally like Hillary Clinton said, like George Bush senior said. They both essentially said the same statement. If the public ever understood what we'd really be did, we'd all be hanging from lampposts, which I welcome that day. Just happy. You have no idea how you have just made my day that you watch the new JFK shows just mean so much to me. You have no idea. Oh, a huge fan gym. I'm going to legend. All right. You have no idea. That's just sensational. Holly, Holly, your thoughts. Yeah, I second that Jim Mira legend. I mean, to be talking about this topic, it's still so important because I think people say, oh, well, that, you know, that was 50 years ago or oh, that was 60 years ago or oh, that was 200 years ago. Who cares? It's all connected. Just happy. It's absolutely right. It's generational conspiracy that we're looking at. And I had done some research on the Salem witch trials a few years ago. And I was like, oh, that was long enough ago. You know, it's just kind of a history, a deep dive, nothing to see here. Well, I was viciously attacked. I had proposed that it had actually been tied into vaccine experimentation. And people just came out of the woodwork to try to destroy me from all fronts. And it became apparent to me that yes, it was generational conspiracy that we're seeing here. The same families and same bloodlines to these operations. And as Jim has exposed, they have to manufacture plausible deniability. So that's why they have so many different people, so many different organizations, so many different pathsies that ultimately the left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing. And there are so few people that have any sort of idea about the larger scope of the operation and what the purpose is that they can either kill those people off or they're part of the bloodline. So it's a wink and a nod to a lot of these people where they want people chasing, chasing these answers. And ultimately, I think you, Jim, and very few others have really gotten to the bottom of this. Wonderful. Just wonderful. I'm just as static by both of your comments. Wonderful. Meanwhile, we want to hear from you, SanFanmail Pro Reconnaught to live, need to know at gmail.com live, need to know at gmail.com. In reply, this is from my blog. In a recent development, Rogan is now backed off and more or less thrown from alone under the boss. This is what happened when one gets too big to continue to speak the truth, regardless of consequences. I've seen that I'll skip forward a bit. I'll skip forward a bit. Tainel thoughts, just septy yours. Well, Jim, it was it's nice to have a mind, the caliber of Holly join us because it was getting a little old just me and you. So I was been a great show. And I think the letters, the final thoughts are that it's amazing that Joe Rogan has been elevated as large as he is. I mean, he and it's really unfortunate that he backed off because he should have he should have put his finger up in the wind and realized that the whole scam, themic is falling apart and he could have enhanced his credibility, enhanced his popularity by not backing down. And so I lost a lot of respect for the guy. But the fact is, is he's a stoner comedian who and a mixed martial artist who, you know, instead of rolled a wave of unbelievable popularity, he's got no business being as big as he is. I mean, I've watched some of shows. He's okay. He's not great, but he just touches a nerve in people. And so it's too bad. But you know what? The fact is, is the old saying goes for these globalist murderers, the genies out of the bottle. And it's going to continue to crumble at the edges and the cancel culture, virtue signaling, none of it's working anymore. It's all falling apart. And you're going to see like the controlled demolition, how quickly it all collapses like building seven. Wonderful. Holly, your final thoughts. Yeah, I think we are winning this war. I think the time is turning. I feel it. I don't think things are going to be smooth sailing by any means. But I think even even the normies are starting to ask what is going on. And we've got to ride that wave. And we've got to be as kind as we can to people and try to coax them along instead of being like, oh, I told you so even though we might want to at times. And I think like Joseph, I said Joe Rogan's so popular because he does kind of put off this vibe that he's just a normal guy. He's just like a meathead that tries to address big topics and that's appealing to a lot of people. Most people are intimidated by intelligence. So I think people like Joe and others can be a useful tool in this information more that we're bracing. And I do think we're on the right side and we're getting there. It's just, it's been a long hard battle as Jim has shown just with his JFK research. There's so many layers to peel back and the American people need to be brought up to speed real quick. Well, this has been a joyful occasion for me to have two of my favorite people on planet earth together for this show. Just that even F and Gulo from the district of criminals and Holly Seeliger from a non-disclosed location in the Northeast. They've made such telling points today. I do agree we are turning the corner not because the science has changed but because the polling shows a Democrats are destined for defeat and they're going to try to pull a deliberate U turn to salvage the case. It will be too little too late. I want to make a more general observation by way of conclusion. It's the essence of rationality to be responsive to new evidence in alternative explanations to fail to do that indicates a non-rational or irrational mind committed to preconceptions. When it comes to JFK I was struck when I had a dinner actually with James Files who claims to have been the second shooter on the grassy knoll. In Files I like personally tremendously. I would have dinner with him again and again. I like the guy. My overall assessment and consultation with a medical expert David W. Manigan in particular indicated however that the shot that Files would have fired if he was account were true is not consistent with the medical, the ballistic and other evidence we have. I therefore believe James Files is playing a role. The most interesting observation he made to me during our conversation and he mentioned it twice is that once a government commits itself it's locked in. It will never revise. So the government has made allowance for the possibility there might have been a second shooter there who just by sure coincidence was in the same place in the same time as Lee Harvey Oswald. All of that's complete nonsense but what it reflects as we find in the case of say the moon landing or in the case of 9-11. James Files had it right once the government is locked in it's never going to change and that means the last our government is not a rational organization. Just ponder if they're not willing to change the new evidence and new information they haven't even revised the list of 19 Islamic hijackers even though a half a dozen or more showed up and made contact with the British press the following day. We're not dealing with a rational entity and that has consequences far beyond any I could explain in brief time but you can appreciate the ramifications and the consequences which are just about as categorically catastrophic as they could possibly be. Thank you for joining us remember spend as much time as you can with your friends and loved ones we do not know how much time we have left. Thank you for joining us today more of the news you need to know we'll be back tomorrow. Let me say. Well done. Was that okay see I wanted to share that with you I mean here's just sepia we spoke afterwards he said how he had watched he just caught by chance episode number 60 and he lighted so much he went all the way back and watched them all he's watched over 200 of our shows Larry over 200 of our shows. Yeah even remember Don you know you know I going back to Oliver Stone you know he has you know the Newcomptakes you know he has the facilities and the ability to analyze the high definition slides of the Z film of the Zeppir film you know and this is what you know I mean it's it's so infuriating Jim that you know the real the really good stuff or maybe you know he's not allowed to present this stuff yet okay and it's kind of come eventually but not Larry no Larry it's never going to come this was it he could have presented it's been around he had to know the Eugenio was running the limited hangout I mean it's just absurd they don't even know that it was a secret service agent it was Kenny right then we're actually found found the bullet and planted on the stretcher and as acknowledged having done so so we actually know the origin of the magic bullet which of the bullet that shot hit Jack in the back I I talked about that before I ran across it Kenny had actually admitted that that's where he got the bullet from the back seat so you know as far as I'm concerned Oliver Stone is discredited himself and the fact that he would go on and do that interview and extol the virtues of Jim T. Jude Genio and hit that it was Alan Dulles and not LBJ that is insulting that's an indication of responsibility to the public I cannot take the man seriously any longer I'm very sorry Oliver I thought you were a good guy but you sold out it's it's a shame it's a bloody shame all right any final words on that I think that was some pretty good final words for Jim wow would you we'll see what Larry no no that's you know I've you know said my piece on that you know I think the time a lot it could have been used for better and more informative things and it just didn't happen and he's the highest voice that we have you know as far as he is by far the most prominent where he has and a lot of people look forward to this and what a disappointment what a disappointment right that's absolutely it yeah I would have you know you know he's got the power to go in and track down all of the kin of the motorcycle cocks for example and get interviews you know and find out what you know those and we're transmitting to their family members and that they transmitted and who that knowledge is still with those people you know if something like that if you think about it if you go back to JFK didn't Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison do a sufficient job of debunking the magic bullet theory why did you need to have a half a dozen other experts in a new film doing the same thing that Kevin Costner already did at the first you're much great for a compass in about five minutes he covered everything all over dragged down for two goddamn hours just ridiculous yeah and what really bothers me the most is that these things that were in the old movie and were known since 1967 were presented as as if it was a groundbreaking discovery that had just been made and they had just finally nailed I mean we've done so many shows about the the girls that were running down this you know the yeah the victims yeah the victims and I can't remember that we just done so well man I think I think one of the one of our best shows was when we did the Steve Martin uh Shirley Martin's son you know that was one I mean I get goosebumps you know just thinking about that one because you know he he set straight a lot of things you know they were out there you know about his mother and his sisters and everything you know and you know he one day he even reached out to me you know to get a get a copy you know of that show of a audio and everything and I sent it to him you know and I think that was a really really good one you know from an actual witness you know who whose his mother packed into a station wagon you know days after this assassination and let's go to Dallas and let's try to find and talk to people there you know I mean nobody does that you know I can have to Billy love lady back exactly trying to get a picture of him you know and stuff like that you know hell yeah man that's the real thing we need to update those we need to update those shows we really do um they were many years ago we were just nailing it once you'll have to be next if we go back to Jackson don't worry we got we got plenty of new stuff that we can continue to blaze trails that's what we're all about that's why we're the new JFK show as you pointed out before we don't need to go back and redo and unless there's something new and then perhaps we can make a further contribution because unlike the government we are a rational organization and we are responsive to new evidence and we will change our mind if the evidence warrants and we committed to the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth and it would appear that in the JFK community that is very rare we have no friends hardly at all in the JFK community and we get very little love now starting off yeah all right that's a good point about you right there we're in the JFK boys to get no love but we bring you the most truth in that the way the world is anyway the way it is so all right we've enjoyed bringing this one to you this is the new JFK show number two hundred and sixty seven we will see you next week the awesome ego