JIM FETZER "The Raw Deal" (3-8-19) death and replacement of Paul McCartney

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Tell me a little about your background as an attorney, where you in intellectual property, for example, did you become interested in Paul Fall by virtue of that or was it completely separate and independent? It was completely separate. Actually, my background in law is an animal and environmental law. I have a J.D. from Salt, Texas College of Law and LLM in environmental and animal law friends, Lewis and Clark Law School in Portland, Oregon. It was when I was getting my LLM about 10, 11 years ago that I started researching the Paul's Diody Conservatory theory. I've been busy with it ever since. I know you've been doing it for 10 years. Tina, it's just stunning. It's a copiously documented. I've done a lot of writing. I've published a lot of books, but I love the way this reads. It's just jam-packed with facts, which could be interpreted as evidence. It's copiously documented. I think you've done a brilliant job with this book. I also liked it in the very first chapter you get right to the heart of the matter, conceding that indeed it is the fact that Paul died and was replaced. I mean, the copious evidence you provide in support of that just blew me away. I mean, I've been a long time student of this issue. I've written on it myself. I've published a book with multiple chapters about it by diverse authors, but the thorough-going manner in which you address the issue is truly impressive. Thank you very much. Well, I do have also academic background in addition to the legal background of master's and dramatic studies. So basically, I have research and writing from two different areas. So, and I've also written a law review articles that I've been published. So, I just applied that training to this conspiracy theory and was helping to at least get to the point of what do we know now? What is toxic with this fiction? Because there is a lot of disinformation out there and people making pretty wild claims. So, why did you begin? Yeah, why do you begin? Where do you think one should begin if they want to understand the whole controversy in its resolution? Well, I should probably start at the beginning. I mean, people started noticing that there was a problem with Paul in at least like 67, because there was a room around that he had died in a bit of a replaced. And at that point, people thought it was a car accident. And then it became really big years in 1969, because again, people were just, they just noticed something was wrong. He didn't look right. The Beatles changed so much. So, in 1969, Fred LeBor really got this big story going world news. Paul had died in a car accident and been replaced. And Fred LeBor later admitted that he had made a blood of the story. So, you know, I've been done in the book as a background, but then it's not the two stories that I was trying to get to what I think really happens. But in 1969, in the fall, everybody was talking about it. But back then, people didn't have access to the internet. They couldn't just easily go and compare them to pictures and watch videos. So, when Life Magazine came out and re-insured everyone that it was just a hope for the pause still with us. Most people were satisfied with that. Well, I love how you bring the multiple kinds of indications together, in other words. While you address the forensic issues about the ears, the eyes, the palate, the teeth, all of which are quite stunning, where the two Italian forensic scientists set out to prove that actually Paul after 1966 and Paul before 1966 were one and the same. And found out they were refuting their own hypothesis. You also discussed all the behavioral indicators, a left hand, right hand, playing the music, not playing the music. The adept use of the right hand of Paul that Paul was very exclusively left handed. Even just to nail down some of the physiological differences. I mean, Paul versus Paul, they're not the same height. I'm looking at a photograph of the Beatles with Ed Sullivan. And we can see very easily that John and George and Paul are all very close to being the same height, which you document in your book. That Bringo was a bit shorter, but later we have, for example, Paul with Jane Asher to whom he was engaged. And they're about the same height. But here's another photograph of Paul. And the word fall, of course, is useful for faux Paul or false Paul or fake Paul, as you note to and passing. He's noticeably taller than Jane Asher. And of course, there were many who noticed that fall was not paying a lot of attention to Jane Asher, but seemed to be infatuated with a photographer who took so many of their photographs, Linda Eastman whom he would eventually marry. I mean, there are a lot of tales here at Tina and it must have been fascinating to you to explore how the Asher family, for example, obviously knew. I mean, it's impossible. They did not. And therefore what induced them to go along with it? We all know, of course, the idea, Bringo asked at one point, what about the band? And it was a billion dollar enterprise. I'm sure the British government would have been acutely disappointed. You talk about a multiplicity of motives here. Please do elaborate just by way of background before we go further into the actual sequence of events that brought about his death. Well, of course, people of close to Paul knew that it wasn't the same person. And we can only speculate what induced them to go along with the roots. Now, either they were black meals or brides or threatened or in some cases even killed. So we know that Heather Mills, Paul's second wife, was threatened. She received that threat when she was divorcing him. It appears that she found out and she took steps to protect her soul. But she came very close to the silling these. Mal Evans was a rowdy for 10 years. And in 1976, he was about to publish a tell all that called living in the Beatles legends. And when we before he was going to take it to the publishers, he was shot to death by a lane police. And of course, the disappear Beatles and rebellion disappear. His even has ashes disappear on way back to England. Not eventually parts of it were published that it was renaxed. Just just to return to Heather Mills, she actually had some rather fascinating interviews when she was hinting that there was something here that was extraordinary that she had protected herself. That if anything happened to her, all the evidence she had would be made public that the public couldn't handle the truth. I mean, that was all quite stunning in and of itself. Don't you agree? I do. And people don't want to know the truth. And anyone who's in love with this murder mystery really will down to tell you because people want to believe that it's the same person. And someone is like, no, I'm not evidence you produce whatever convinced them. This or just the normal person, it's one or two things and they'd be like, okay, not the same person, but they just have so much invested in it being the illusion in the Beatles. I'm glad you're I'm glad you're mentioning this because I do research on a whole lot of very controversial subjects, JFK 9-11, Sandy Hook, Boston bombing, Orlando, Parkland, but frankly, you know, also the moon landing, but I'll tell you, Paul Fall generates more controversy and more emotional response than anything with the exception perhaps of Sandy Hook. It's much more controversial even than the moon landing though most Americans find it extraordinarily difficult to wrap their mind around the idea that the government could have faked them even though the wonderful movie Capricorn one shows basically exactly how was done using a single feed of grainy imagery. But today, the evidence frankly is beyond dispute in my judgment and nevertheless, as you are hinting, there are those who just cannot believe that Paul could have died and been replaced. I mean, it is baffling to me. Right, so that's one reason why I wrote the book because I wanted to present everything in a nice neat, contained book because otherwise you've got evidence from all over the internet and all the different books. Although, as far as I know, my knowledge is the most comprehensive book on the Paul's Dead murderous string. Maybe this is the start calling that calling it that kind of conspiracy theory because it really is a murderous string. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Well, Claire Kuhn is a friend of mine of long standing and she had long been talking about Paul. And I was intrigued, but what convinced me was the Italian wired magazine article by the two Italian forensic scientists where they compared the teeth and the pallets. They compared the shape and size of the skull. And it turns out that Paul had bad teeth in a narrow palette. Paul has a good teeth and a normal palette. Paul had a very round face, very boyish look. Paul has a more oval face and a decidedly older, even I don't know, not to say sinister, but it's a different look without any doubt. And when you throw in the difference in their height, once I was convinced it was two, you know, there wasn't any doubt about it. Well, you can't have one in the same person who has good teeth and bad and narrow palette, a wide palette, a round face or cranium and an oval. One of the features I like especially about your book, Tina, as you talk about the weight of the evidence. And it's highly relevant to my case right now with Sandy Hook because Lennie Posner, the man who so calls himself, he has won given my research. I say this with 100% confidence. He's one of the fake parents from Sandy Hook is profited immensely between $27 and $130 million was donated by sympathetic but gullible Americans and divided between the 26 surviving families for the 20 children and six adults allegedly who died there. That's over a million bucks a piece for impersonating, having lost a child. We have discovered that in fact the reason the medical examiner didn't allow the parents to see the bodies of their children but identified them on the basis of photographs was that they only existed in the form of photographs. They were fictions. They were made up out of in the case of Noah Posner, photographs of his older step brother Michael Wagner when he was a child. And among the proofs I relied upon a good colleague in JFK research you've been able to verify to size simply that Lee Oswald was actually standing in the doorway of the Texas schoolbook depository where the JFK Medicaid passed by by comparing super imposing images. The images of his face on the man in the doorway and the face of the government's preferred nominee Billy Lovelady and it turns out that Lee Harvey fits hand in glove Billy Lovelady nod the years are too low that jaw's wrong the nose doesn't fit. Yes Larry I said we have these photographs of Michael Wagner and of Noah Posner could you compare them and he did a super position and created a gif and you can see Noah turning into Lenny and the skull the eyes the nose the ears are exactly the same Tina. So your point about the cranium being a fixed feature as an identifier of a person uniquely fits this case hand in glove I'm going to be using it in the court case. I did also put the laws that where you can use identity how you can use how you can establish identity with photographs voice prints and other units of identifier such as finger prints now in the case of Paul Cartney we have photographs and voice prints. There was really only needs to be one physical difference to identify a double and we have at least six that the friends excited just found. And I suspect that after the document is six they probably stop to probably what it kept finding more but I was playing that for them to be like like this isn't the same person how many differences are we going to document here what is going to be the same really you know I know I mean how much is enough when is enough enough exactly but as you're observing for some of these die hard fans there will never be enough. No because they just don't want it to be true and I understand that it's a bit of a red pill to swallow it really is but at the same time I think Paul the original Paul deserves to be remembered for who he was that has nothing to do with fall at all. And the Suthergai plastic Maca I call him he's really just his solely Paul's legacy is far more concerned and I think he's committing consumer fraud at the very least. See this is another reason I'm fascinated to have this conversation because my take is given Paul's death what he did I will call him Billy shares I do believe he was William Shaper who replaced him would be a session musician known as the man of a thousand faces and with a little bit of tweak even from plastic surgery in Africa even John taught this might work. And then as you so copiously document they began to introduce a whole lot of distractions the mustache is the long hair the elaborate uniform so that you're looking at the uniform rather than looking at the figure here's where the sergeant pepper album itself the cover is so completely fascinating because up to the side you have the Beatles for madam to sod's wax works and you can see how they're all you know pretty much the way we knew the best way to do it. So you can do them in the past and then you have the resplendent new bands sergeant peppers lonely hearts club band and while Paul is taller even in the cover photographs it doesn't strike you so forcefully as it might where you simply seen them lined up together in a familiar pose. And as you observe and it seems to me to be quite stunning after this you know nine eleven nineteen sixty six the Beatles didn't tour any longer and they had to they gave up only reasons for not touring but bands live for the adrenaline Russian playing before their fans so the idea they weren't going to play anymore had to have an explanation and of course in retrospect it's obvious the fans of the Beatles would have identified that the band was going to be a little bit more fun. This was not James Paul McCartney this was somebody else and it would have been quite a major scandal at the time. That's right. I mean the Beatles they have been playing together for fifty seven well Coreyman transitions into the Beatles they they're living playing live they love to call some you love the screaming so when they when fall comes and says always stop touring because they couldn't stand the screaming. Well there are many instances where Paul said in interviews that he loved the screaming he said it was like a football match a little soccer and it gave good energy and he would even go out on stage and encourage the people to clap and stamp their feet so you know there's a lot of there's a lot of the us and the story that Paul has been spreading over the years and I tried to catch him on a number of like well I did catch him. I did catch him on a number of lives and stories he was told or he obviously wasn't there and well what kind of you know when his reaction to John Glennon's death is simply a Pauling I mean if this had been the real Paul he would have been completely devastated and instead he sort of casually passes it off you know like all these things happen you know well he's chewing gum and he's he's not reacting for us we're emotionally and emotionally and I'm not going to say that. I mean this is one of many behavior indicators they're just stunning there's sometimes when he's talking about the band in such an impersonal way about how we do these things sometimes even talks about how they do these things it's completely revealing if you realize that those are verbal indications that things aren't as they're supposed to be. Yeah that's right so even the people as I call them that was a red flag for them when John Glennon was shot or whatever happened there Paul or Paul sorry is honest street an interviewer asking about this oxidation he said yeah it's a drag isn't it and he can hardly be bothered and then he tells us story later trying to explain his callous behavior and he's like oh I was in a car and I was taken by surprise by a microphone microphone being stuck in the car window it's like you go back and look at the video he's not any car he's on the street walking that he gets in the car so he just tells so many life. And is it would it be a surprise for any beetle to have a microphone thrust in front of them I mean after all that was an everyday experience for these guys. Of course and they always handles their interviewers very well and even one of them wrote that Paul he was the one who took the most care of the interviewer not because he was a sucker because he really was a nice person in care of it how he came across and how the people came across he was polite. You have a few photographs here that are quite striking like on page 51 I looked at this and I said oh that is awful because you got the very cheerful happy Paul and then you have this just awful image on the right of fall it doesn't even look remotely like him Tina you see the shot I'm talking about on page 51. I can yeah it's just amazing I mean no one even the most naive could look at those photographs and possibly imagine they were the same person. Well I play on shock and like I said this was just a normal person nobody would believe that it was the same person. They just have so much in Boston and it is a different way because they love the beetle so much and I guess they can't accept that they can be lying to me or that they can be fooled maybe. Your images on page 44 by the way you might also want to show because there you can see that great difference in the round boyish face of Paul and the more oval older distinctly look older looking face of fall and you know you also point out some important when he was talking in relation to Ringo where officially he should have been younger than Ringo when he referred to younger Ringo as being younger than him forgetting that he was supposed to be Paul. So he was a little older in referring to his own age because he was five years older. Right so he referred to Ringo as his little brother which really doesn't make any sense unless you say oh he's shorter but normally it would be somebody younger but Ringo was two years older than the real Paul. We have no idea what follows ages. I mean we can take a guess that he's five years older than Paul because of what he said in the magical mystery tour he was asked his age to be 30 but Paul would have been 25 but who knows about really his age and he could just be another alive for all we know. He looks older than 30 even. We're already getting questions from the chat room to which I want to return subsequently but first I'd like to for you to give us your distilled analysis of what actually happened on that fateful and tragic day. My research indicates that Paul the last known and documented appearance of the real Paul was in Seattle on August 25th, 1966. Something happened between then and the LA press conference on August 28th, 1966. I believe that was the first appearance of Paul. And that early that early that early yes because I think Nick Colourstrom would who has also a book on Paul with which I'm sure you're familiar thought it would be later in the year when he was introduced. So of course I want your account. It's just interesting that there would be a discrepancy of this magnitude. Go ahead. Not really. I mean it's been for 50 years now that people have said it's either September 11th or November 9th. But you can discount November 9th because that fall was already on his trip to Kenya going on his trip to Kenya. And September 11th they're getting that from the drum on Sergeant Pecker. But we don't know that that's really a date. That's just one it's one one X one he died which people have interpreted as either November 9th or September 11th. And that could just be that one of the Beatles was like a style or can can be that thing. It might not be the include all. I'm going on when do what when is the last time I see Paul when is the first time I see fall do I ever see Paul again no in my opinion we never see Paul again. So there also clues about Seattle being where it went down we have pictures from Wally Fent that he took at the Seattle show that have been passed off as being from the San Francisco show. So a few days later we have in the movie sleepless in Seattle we have a pa in Paul is dead scene. And also in downtown Seattle there's the artic building that has walrus statues all over it. So that the song I am the walrus the walrus was Paul seems to hint at the building. So this is very on the building with the walrus. Well this is very fascinating because I've been to Seattle numerous times my son actually is in the theater long time in Seattle. And as well as being a journalist a film film reviewer and working for Seattle arts institute there. But I'm fascinated by this that Paul could have died in see at all tell us the details as much as you're able to reconstruct them. I that is just the last place we see him and then we also have the song octopuses garden which to me sounds like a burial at sea and we have page of the song right up here. So but also octopuses garden can be a reference to the illuminati so who is behind it ultimately because this this sciat this whoever was behind at the cloud and the influence to pull this off and still have the media. Well pushing the story 50 years hence it can just been KKK it can have been anything without these resources or this influence over the media. This brings the question from the chat room do you believe the tavas stock institute had any role here do you believe they are tied into the Beatles could you elaborate on that. I think we have tabasock hijacked the Beatles when they're in Paul and that sergeant peppers band is the result that was the new and print tabasock Beatles. I think that Paul and the original Beatles are not going to get into all the other things are placed right now I think it's definitely possibility Paul is replaced Paul with at least one of the main singers hand John were the main singers band revolves around having John basically. They were not when so when told the line they were not team players they're not going to agenda they were questioning the non war well they were seeing items they were questioning it they were actually telling people a lot to go if they didn't want to. Paul took an interest in the J. K. S. A. S. A. Nation you wanted to help promote Mark Lanes' Russian judgment because he didn't believe that Lee Harvey as well was behind it was guilty that would be a problem for the power of the two. He was not he basically said in 1965 that he they would be asked to do certain things like tell people not to smoke or not to drink and he they just weren't going to do that. They didn't see themselves in a paternalistic role of telling others how they should live their lives especially about. I mean this is innocuous recreational activity drinking smoking even if it's marijuana thank God today we're finally legalizing marijuana it's a long time in coming I mean marijuana is a superior high to alcohol it doesn't cause cirrhosis of the liver for example. No one dies from smoking joints so it dunesbury had a wonderful cartoon this is decades and decades ago where Mr. J. Mr. J. every single marijuana reads meets Mr. buts and convention Mr. buts representing tobacco of course is boasting that he was responsible for 250,000 deaths last year. And Mr. J. just has to shrug it off sheepishly because for him it was not what. But do you see where if you have a band that is so influential and popular that if they are not telling the line and they're not controlled they're basically loose cannons out there on the media telling people things that the powers of these don't want them to tell them they can't be controlled you see that that could be a problem. And they would be will what can we do we can you take them out or we can use that influence for our agenda to survive on agenda. I'll tell you this I do believe that John Lennon's death where he was shot by a member of up 40 I mean you know you have a patty in all these cases but he was actually shot by the door man. Well appears to have been a Nixon inspired assassination because he was worried that John Lennon was going to lead an anti war movement against the Vietnamese war. But you know other than that I've never had the impression as a long time Beatles fan I mean I absolutely love their music. I even on my own radio show did a tribute to the Beatles with my top 20 Beatles songs. I at one time in my life was asked who would I want to have been if I hadn't been myself and I said Paul McCartney. So today now knowing more about his tragic end I think I have to take that back because I wouldn't have wanted to you know be Paul McCartney and wake up already dead. I mean pretty troubling but I had this much affinity for Paul McCartney that I actually made that observation in my generation. There was a tenancy divide between those who were with Paul and those who were with John and it was a very strong division. Fascinating you may even have picked up on some of the subtle psychological reasons why that divide occurred. But I'm you know I haven't noticed myself where they were playing much of a political role. I do suggest the following I believe the immense popularity of the Beatles in the United States was because they resurrected the nation emotionally in the aftermath of the assassination of John F. Kennedy. That it was just the right time music can be so therapeutic. When I was only 11 my mother died and it was very difficult for me to cope with and I realized when I moved to live with my father and stepmother having been living with my mother and stepfather with my brother or half brother stayed with his father. I designed it took a screened in porch and redesigned it to be a room for the two of us built in bunk beds and there was a little shelf right a radio, a portable radio. And it was listening to lucky logger dance time and it was songs like Shabu and a whole host of others that still touched me to this day that brought me back emotionally. So when the Beatles had such a tremendous impact I sense it was in all likelihood a generalization of a phenomenon I'd undergone myself personally where music can really restore my spirits and sense of self and in this case for the whole nation. So and I do talk about the Beatles music the original versus the hijack Tabasock creation music has power to heal or the power to harm and I believe that the Beatles original music was very healthy, very uplifting really brought you know they were good vibrations and everybody was even feeling elation. People felt the love coming off of the Beatles and returned it. Now when you consider when the motives for a placing call as the LSD agenda the sex drugs rock and roll the social engineering breaking down the cultural foundation. So when the S R N L S D combined with psychedelic music this was a this was an agenda to basically mind control and brainwashed people Dr. Timothy Leary who was an admitted CIA asset even talked about that how they were combined purposely combining psychedelic music with LSD and this was one of the most powerful brainwashing. So they can think of so all the Paul was not much of a drug user at all. Paul was the first British pop star to come on TV and talk about taking LSD and he knew exactly what would happen from that he knew that people would try it and that was probably the intention. And to act as a media spokesperson on this like a celebrity advertisement for taking this psych the psychochemical work for an agent. That's terribly interesting because by and large I have felt that the Beatles music a post Paul's replacement was actually more creative, more inspiring, more adventurous. I mean just look at that first of all at the sergeant pepper album itself which of course was touted at the time as the first concept album because it had a theme that unified most if not all of the songs. Mr. Kai in the whole host of them. I love the album but then the white album is though they're experimenting with every different type of music. I mean you have like 50 songs and every one of them is a different type of music and they're also for the most part very good though some are only mediocre and the criticism has been made. It could have been a completely brilliant album but for a failure to edit some of the lesser songs. But even some that you know might not be very popular obli-de-obli-die or even why don't we do it in the road about which you have an interesting comment that I mean I like all that stuff. And then it goes on from there you eventually have fall becoming of course the founder of wings with Linda and he's got a whole new creative aspect to it. And you have Uncle Albert you know my wife just loves that you know about the game your feet upon the floor you know there's little cats around all that stuff. I mean that's one of her favorite songs and it's actually fall with Linda so I don't know obviously in a case like this evaluating the quality of music is a highly subjective matter but I'm inclined to think that the Beatles actually became more creative and more productive post-poll than they were before. Oh I will disagree on that. I mean Paul with Revolver they were really starting to show their genius. Well I mean they're always geniuses but they develop in Revolver especially tomorrow and ever and ever and ever. Which is a very important song in the last real Beatles song in my opinion. But some of the songs that came out on later albums were original Paul songs and original needle songs. She's leaving home that was on Sergeant Pepper or was Paul Saun. We know from voice friends. So I think that they took the songs because they had been prolific. They took songs that had never been recorded and they put them on later albums like one after nine and nine was from 1963 John wrote it and they put on let it be. So it gives the impression that you still have the same people involved when really I don't think you do. The Paul also promised that he wouldn't put out rubbish just to continue people and buy it. Oh I think they had very high standards I agree completely. I mean I love she's leaving home. I love Rocky Raccoon for example. Rocky Raccoon is just a perfect song in my opinion and it has no political significance whatsoever nor does she's leaving home. I mean it's a there's so many wonderful songs including of course a day in the life which may be their true masterpiece. If you I'm interested in your assessment of all of these things however Tina please do continue. Well I mean I can sense a drop off in the quality of the songs after Paul disappeared but that's personal taste. I think Paul's songs are terrible from this part and I do talk about that quite a lot in the back where he even admits himself that is so far. It's just not the same standard as Paul and he has just re wrote all of his songs and one of the popular songs ever and very high qualities on. And I love her and for no one other than Rikby was his on his own. I mean he doesn't he played it all. He played Faze, Lee Junkatari, he's saying he played Fittari even in the end and he was just playing drums. And people say okay John Lennon was asked is Riga star the best drummer in the world and he said he's not even the best drummer in the Beatles. Meaning Paul was the best drummer and I know people say oh he didn't really say that yet he did because I saw an interview which he said it and I've been trying to find that interview again but haven't found it again yet. But I will document it when I can't. Yeah well that's a fascinating all by itself and of course if anyone in the world made a calamitous mistake it was Pete Bass who would have been the Beatles drummer but for declining to travel to America. I mean that's just fascinating the way all that played out and I'm sure you know much more about the details which I'm eager to have. Are you also open to taking calls during the second hour? I'm just sure that I'm fine. Okay that's good that's good that's good I'll have Mitch to show me the number because I need to have committed to memory. Mitch you want to give me the or call in number? Yes 5403524452. 540540. Show it again Mitch 5403425542 I believe. Mitch could you show it once more here? Yeah 5403524452 if say one of those they call in speak to Tina and me about Paul and Paul and the Beatles and whether or not they were you know some kind of sia up is Tina inclines to believe more strongly than I no doubt. But she is undoubtedly one of the world's leading experts on Paul McCartney and you just are so thorough in your research Tina I'm just tremendously impressed. Thank you well it's 10 years of collecting evidence and information and quotes and because now I've got I was getting my LLM at the time I started into really research so I had already I was already thinking in terms of things together. So I just saved everything for 10 years and then well but all together and I'm already thinking of a second edition next year because there's so more research on Sandy Hook we have learned so much more since I published nobody died at Sandy Hook in 2015 even though we have 13 contributors including 6x3. We haven't figured out at that point in time how they'd take the kids using photographs of older children when they were younger I mean that was ingenious the whole elaborate scam was years in the planning tell tell tell tell us more about what you think happened then are you inclined to believe that Paul was actually taken out that he was murdered to promote. Yes I absolutely believe he was assassinated that it was a hit and not a good way. I think that they probably started planning it. I think they were scouting for talent in the 1965 Paul McCartney localite contest. Keith Allison was the official winner but I think they probably used that as a way to find at least one of the doubles because I just don't think it was an accident with how you have to find and train a double with them then possible pull it off and just couple of days. You know you've got to see Paul Seattle artist in 1966 and then the doubles are in place on August 28th. I think those two days of R&R and LA that was how he is to finish his head on the double really perfect his performance. And it's the same fall that we have today who has performed so widely all over the world already. And it's hard to say there can be one or more falls I mean it gets confusing because there has been a lot of photo tampering and video tampering that has gone on over the years and even the forensics. The forensic scientist experts even said that they believe the photo tampering had been going on since the switch. So since the 16th is really growing we're dealing with that. I'm not that interested in fall or who he was or how many there were really more interested in Paul and why it happened. Fall is sort of like well he's just a placeholder a cutout for me. I know a lot of people are really interested in figuring out all that. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if there were multiple falls it was pretty common with doubles and decoys that don't be a stable in doubles that they shot out as needed. And we do see evidence that there are taller falls and there are you know when the six told fall there's at least one that has six toes. And that's obviously not Paul is it may not even be that our fall only has five toes. You see it's very confusing with the things that fly up because it's think what I'm so long and so offended. And to try to stay on the top of it with all their resources when it's just a few researchers trying to piece it all together really running and catch up. But yeah I mean we just call in Billy Sheer's or the fall or class or not her or whatever but nobody really knows his role names true identity. People claim it. Phil Ocarall or Vivian Stan Paul or whoever but you know just do photo you can do facial recognition and you can roll somebody's people out. You know. You know this stuff on identity and doubles as fascinated me a lot I have a video fake news issues of identity has been taken down from YouTube but where I talk about Paul fall. I talk about Lee Oswald in the doorway I talk about Hillary Clinton Hillary has had eight or ten different body doubles Tina I mean it's absolutely staggering in fact I know you have a book about the use of body doubles and addition to your book about entitled plastic Maca why don't you tell us a bit about that. Well the splitting image I wrote basically as a primer for plastic Maca because I have been planning plastic Maca for a long time but I always get well how can they have pulled it off. That's what the splitting image is addressing but there are actually people are trained being doubles and creating doubles and how the media is used to full people and photo tampering how long photo tampering is going on and how convincing prosthetics can be and disguises these people are artists. And they can make anybody look like anybody else constantly and you know I have some case studies and they're about stolen how when his doubles was four years younger and they still pulled off and then another one of his doubles Rashid had the exact same. This is a picture with a date on go right ahead I was just pulling up to see it was Lee no Lee no a posner Paul and Hillary that I did the issues of identity at one five three news dot net and the stunning thing about the Hillary case Tina is that they even use body doubles during the national debates with Bernie Sanders and with Donald Trump I mean that takes a lot of nerve. Well to read the bar well is one of Hillary Clinton's famous doubles yeah but she was an entertainer Tina that was all on the up and up that was yet somebody looked a lot would do this at social settings for entertainment. The day that Hillary collapsed at the 9-11 memorial she was taken back to Chelsea's apartment which actually Chelsea didn't really need except that it was on a floor that had a private hospital in fact they close the hospital so it only then or after had one patient Hillary Clinton. They took her after her collapse back to Chelsea's apartment but they were so worried that anxiety would grow in the public mind about the state of her health that they sent out their first body double she was thinner younger much more attractive and pleasant I mean a complete contrast to Hillary she had no secret service she didn't have her medical hand or this rather large black guy who has several degrees in neurology. She looks so much like her that I refer to her as the Meg Ryan double then two days later on a flight to Greensboro they had a second double who was shorter had a more slow forehead and resembled much more another of our actresses Merrill Streep so I refer to her as the Merrill Streep double. When it came time for the debates though they had a double that was much better than any of those it was like a younger far more charming version in fact in this fake news issues of identity I juxtapose Hillary with the doubles and you see why they wanted to use the doubles rather than Hillary Hillary look old to crap at wrinkled face overweight the doubles were young attracting particulate they had a voice box Tina they had a voice box. They had enabled them to speak in exactly Hillary Clinton's voice I mean it was astonishing as late as February of 2017 the New York Times wrote a story about hillaries in the house about her going to four different plays on Broadway and I took a look and each of the four photographs was of a different person none of them were Hillary and I wrote to the reporter I said that was a very interesting piece but none of those was Hillary Clinton. Did you not even notice you didn't have her body guards he of course never replied but to me it's absolutely stunning and if anyone wants a proof for her I speak check out fake news issues of identity Lee Noah Paul and Hillary on one five three news.net continued. I mean the reason I brought it to the barn well is that we know that there are celebrity impersonators maybe she wasn't playing the part of Hillary in these instances that you're talking about that there are so many documents in cases of body doubles we have Emmy Eclipse in James for general make every and Felix did I have for Stalin and I mean there are just so many cases so the secret solve. Well you mentioned in your book the case of Saddam Hussein it was Joe Viles who was a photo journalist from Australia her first notice that the person they put on trial wasn't Saddam Hussein that he had bad teeth and an under bite were Saddam had good teeth and an over bite I actually confirmed it with a deck of cards that the US Army had 52 cards with the highest ranking. You know officials in the Iraqi government with the ace of spades was Saddam Hussein and Joe Viles had it exactly right indeed when Saddam's wife finally got permission to visit who she was told was her husband arranged by the international committee of the Red Cross she came out screaming saying this is not my husband this is a double what have you done with my husband. I mean it's really a stunning story for those who want more actually I have two chapters about it in the moon book in other words and I suppose we didn't go to the moon either which has originally four chapters about the death and replacement of Paul McCartney and now has a couple more added in so we have a new second edition that's really quite spiffy to compliment what Tina has been doing here. Tina we're coming very close to the break but because I'm on a new schedule and they don't seem to have everything in place for example the intro music for the show isn't up yet I don't know if we're actually going to hit the break or not but why don't you go ahead and say a few words more about your other book about the split image that's really fascinating stuff. Thank you well this living image also talks about Saddam Hussein and has this story about his wife who went to visit Hussein in the president and she came out. What have you done with him where in the end they're all surprised and then his girlfriend too was like that's not Saddam Hussein's doctor even said that he died in 1999 from lymphatic cancer and other bodyguards and devils were saying these his name's been gone. They're just showing you the same pictures and the doubles and that Kim Jong Il too had a stable of doubles that the military would try out as needed and they maintain control through Kim doubles because apparently in the original Kim Jong Il died in 2002 from cancer. I talk about Lee Harvey also not to how he was set up as a Pat and had been to doubles running around. Most of those were pretty blatant the most stunning case was in Mexico City they had a figure who was identifying himself as Lee Oswald and he even they had audio and photographic evidence both and neither the voice match nor the appearance he looked completely different than Lee and the J Edgar Hoover was even forced to send out a memorandum to all of his agents in charge explain that someone was in Mexico City and person named Lee Oswald whereas I've observed on numerous occasion if that's all you knew about the assassination namely that J Edgar had to put out a memo that someone was in Mexico City and person named Lee Oswald. You know the whole thing and been a conspiracy by the way since we don't have the breakup I'll just mention we're on revolution radio and you know to keep the show up to keep the station going and on the air you want to find a way if you can to support revolution radio I suggest as a perfectly great way to do it to subscribe to the archives for $5 a month because then you get access to all the ship. I think that's simply an excellent way to go so I just mentioned that in passing since we don't have a regular break implemented in the software yet for the program Tina please do continue. Well okay well I mean this is a really good image basically is just setting the background for people who don't know about doubles there's some of that plastic not good but it's kind of it's not as intense on the background theory of doubles as the sliny and it's just enough. So that if people have you trouble with the concept then it can kind of get them over the hunt Tina we have a caller Gerber from Las Vegas please do join us Gerber and share your thoughts I'm glad to have you here. Hello I'm coming in you are we can hear you nicely. Hi Mr. Fester Dr. Fester and I've been listening and then I had to jump in the shower I'm getting ready to go but I wanted to address that I believe Apple records was created so that fall could play all their music legally and instead of being a Len McCartney that and he was known as fall and really sure they basically undercover created a part of the game. It's created a Paul it meant a Paul or a fall records and then so they created Apple a Paul I don't know if that's a I don't know if it's legit but what do you guys think about that? Certainly people have said that a Paul corpse Apple core is called for a Paul course. No I'm a phony as far as I know he's the one that came who noticed that but legally I mean well we're even start with the same thing. I mean fall if he were assuming Paul's identity and as long as nobody complained about identity that then he would just carry on as Paul with the same little rights until somebody challenged it. Does that make sense? You're ready to tell somebody called him out as a fraud? It's told somebody called him out on identity that consumer fraud accessory after the fact. I think there's another cause of action I thought it but you can't think about it right now. But it's told somebody challenged him that he would just carry on as Paul and Harvey so starting a corporation wouldn't have any effect from that as far as I know. They started out with records in 1968 two years after supposedly they quit touring and all that because of the death. And I understand that it was only George and Ringo were in Happy Road when that morning that he took off his off at those two. John Lennon was in France for somewhere filming the movie that movie that he did about that being a soldier also that when he came back he was tripped out that Paul was killed or in that accident over. Go ahead Tina. Sorry is just a story that the word made it because he didn't know what happened and he admitted a letter that he made up a lot of that stuff. Now if you go back and look at the actual recording history they were on the studio in November in 16th. So that in fall is already going to Kenya. So the whole thing where Paul's stormed out of the studio is just a fabrication. When you were probably when you were taking a shower Tina was explained that her research leads her to the opinion or conclusion that Paul actually died in Seattle and that he was assassinated. I mean it's a fascinating angle on the whole mystery of Paul fall. Well I did hear a theory about him being assassinated because they thought it was going to be the next Messiah or Jesus Christ. And that's when I'm kind of far out there and you did that play that I'm really dead if you see that young. They do a play when they're younger that you should be saying am I really dead? I was up in the shakes very good. Yes, yes, that one. Well, I mean, I just... And supposedly he has some kind of fix on him that he wasn't going to live very long. So I don't know if it's a big conspiracy. My question was earlier, do you think Towsock entered their picture and created the way it was because they had to hide his death or two minute people would have freaked out? I believe that Towsock hijacked the Beatles by taking Paul out. They got control, they manipulated people into trying LSD and they changed the music. They changed the message. It was no longer the mod toss obviously. And Sergeant Pepper tells you that very clearly. I don't know how much more clearly they kind of made that album cover. The old Beatles are dead. They're pushed to the side. They're waxed up in jeans. The new and crude bands with their shiny new instruments and color clean forms or front and center. There's a grave scene. There are all the people that are important to them in the bag including us or Holly. Plus, the people included on that album cover have interesting ties to the Paulins dead murder mystery. But yes, I do believe that Towsock was involved but do not believe they were involved from the beginning. I believe it came later. I believe that too. Thank you. There's, like what he was saying, we're involved. I thought he was going to die. There's some fan fiction out there and it's making these claims that are not supported or substantiated. And unfortunately it's hijacked the P.I.D narrative. So there's some pretty wacky theories out there in my opinion. Some pretty interesting reviews of your book which are generally highly enthusiastic. Here's one that's particularly impressive. Tina Foster's an attorney and as an attorney's eye for detail. Her brief for the Paulins dead conspiracy reflects the good side and the bad side of that finish. But the good far outweighs the bad. I'm particularly grateful for a scrupulous use of footnotes which enables you to pursue fact and rumor back to primary and secondary sources. In total, the sheer volume of evidence has an impact that can't be ignored and paints a completely different portrait of the Paulins dead theory than the Iceland YouTube video or ill-supported flight of fancy. I am in awe of the amount of work that must have gone into this book so I hesitate to carve about anything. But the density of evidence seems to overwhelm my quest for a coherent narrative. One of the problems with Paul's dead theory is the lack of an unassailable, fully corroborated timeline of the events of late 1966. To cite one example among many there is considerable argument over the 9-11 versus 11-9 date for the disaster and that's just the beginning. Also missing a thoroughly sass factory explanation of the cover-up that must have followed if the core of the narrative was true. The mass of evidence assembled by Foster, however, makes it clear that something did happen, though there are many divergent theories including Foster's about who, where, what, when, and how. Would you like to comment on any of that? Well, like I said, there are a lot of the lore and it made a lot of the story that's just been repeated as true for 50 years and it's time to move past that. I mean, all you can do is go on what I've seen and what I've read and you can see Paul, nice and nice and not you don't, basically you don't see him after or see out in the little mind opinion. But there's a lot of hate-acell that happens including the Beatles disappearing for nearly four months. Well, they returned from the US tour, then they didn't really see him again until December 16th about the time the AMI students. That's obviously not the original Halloween war. Can nobody really argue that it feels that December and Douglass had in December, that I don't see any evidence that Paul was around even in September 16th. Can I ask, Mr. Professor, when you did the interview with supposedly Paul's illegitimate son and you were explaining about the three Beatles that came up to him when he was out playing? Yeah. Does that have any influences that that that got me in with the audience? It's all very interesting because I found that story rather plausible. I want Tina's take on it, but the other three, yes, approaching him and he was explained to them they'd never get away with it and John turned to him and said, we already have the idea of replacing his father with someone else. Tina, you must know this story. I do. And upon further investigation, when Stephen Dickinson claimed that John Lennon, who was supposedly there, went to his house and that whole scene supposedly happened, well, John Lennon was in the United States in broiles. Sorry, he was trying to remain in the United States, basically. And he was afraid to leave the United States because he didn't want to get locked out like when it happened in Charlie and Chauvin. So I do not believe that John Lennon ever went and confronted Stephen Dickinson in England. I think it's fan fiction, I'm sorry. But also when he's claiming to have been born, it's like 10 minutes after Paul's disappear, well, or 9 and a half, whatever it was, it was like really a stretch that I can still be Paul's titles. Let's talk about a couple other aspects of this. You mentioned, of course, this trip to Japan where he was held. This is fall now. And you speculate. I mean, he was held for a week because his fingerprints didn't match the Paul McCartney would previously visit to Japan on the one hand. On the other, we have the paternity suit brought by a young woman in Germany who claimed that Paul was her father and when they did a DNA comparison with fall, it didn't match. Both of those are interesting aspects of the complex history here. Okay, so what happened with Japan was in 1980 fall went to Japan and he was detained for 10 days, supposedly on the early chart is. Now, the speculation is that the fingerprints didn't match. This was basically a dual-relationer who was an earlier researcher in Paul's dead because it's unusual to hold someone that long for marijuana. I mean, just, yes. Anyway, so they're just speculating really that the fingerprints didn't match. Now, the T-9 Pristbeen is a daughter of Eric Huber, who said she had no affair with Paul in Hamburg in 16-62. And even though Paul on the drug-sertific hit, in 1983, they tried to assume, not 84, sorry, 19-04, they tried to assume fall for the paternity. And of course, it was a match because it was Paul's trial, not Paul's trial, and even Meditina seems to know that it's not the same person. And she said, look, there was a picture on the attorney's suit file, it's not Paul. The face is not as round or as full as she's headed. And then the signatures being by right hand, or Paul was left hand, or so. I mean, there's never going to be a match there. Did you have any doubt that she actually was the child of Paul? I think she probably is. Yeah, that would be my inference, too. She'd have to get Paul's DNA, or she could possibly try it through Mike McGear, Paul's biological brother. But it would be difficult for her because she'd tried to meet it for the case was closed because there was no match. She tried to reopen it for fraud, which in the United States, the case would be told for fraud. Then in Germany, of course, this is such a high up, that they're just going to shut that down. So they did not let her show that there was fraud to reopen the case. So I don't know when her angle would be in a get to Mike McGear's DNA. She'd have to come hell and to do it comparison. But she's she's already shut up for it in Germany. Here's another passage from the review that's so interesting, although there are quite a few here and they're very favorable. It was a dissonance between the old Paul and the new Paul that drew me back to the Paulist and theory a few years ago. YouTube search algorithm brought up the I amphony videos as well as the winged beetle documentary which showed that the convoluted conspiracy had much more substance than at first I thought. I eventually read Billy's back, which reports to be the autobiography of Sir Paul and Nick Colerstrom's The Life and Death of Paul McCartney, which attempts to fashion a complete narrative out of the confusing and contradictory threads of rumor and testimony in the peel. I did dossier and by the way I've interviewed Nick Colerstrom several times on my shows though the evidence was impressive. The aspects of the conspiracy involving the Tabestock Institute and the Illuminati were too much to swallow. They remain on the back shelf of my evidence locker pending for the corroboration. However, the evidence for a double taking over for Paul in late 1906 seems overwhelming at this point. The voice prints are but the beginning, the wired Italian article from 2010 also see plastic macadot blockspot dot com which compared pre-1967 photos to post 1967 photos combined with a DNA evidence of fingerprint evidence from his arrest in Tokyo. Paul's weird, sir com locutions in interviews is absent said as father's funeral and Heather Mill statements are convincing to me. I agree with most of that myself Tina any comments you'd like to make about it. Well the physical evidence is you only need one document physical difference to out and down wall and we have 10, at least 10 more or more plus the voice print. So at the very least there's consumer fraud and telling people that these songs penny lane he chewed were by Paul and Cartine because they were not in the way from the truth they were in lots. Now the voice print is true is that there was a voice of Louise it doesn't that itself does not prove there was a permanent replacement. But when you have Paul because I've looked at probably a thousand comments over the years I've done a lot of comments when I saw and you have Paul and then you don't ever see Paul again. And then my opinion the last time you see the role Paul is Seattle that because of the photo temporary and the recycling of photos and video temporary and all of that it does get very confusing and difficult to pin down exactly when happened. So the best I've been able to do is to pin it down to August 25th to 28th 1966 because there were two days of downtime in LA where there was hanging out at the many house. Yeah that's extremely interesting here's another you like a lot I'm sure you must have read it attorney and writer Tina Foster is an expert regarding the deep state practice known as identity double and or replacement in plastic mac a miss Foster is focused on expertise and professional skills on over a decade of research to uncover the mystery of whether James Paul McCartney one of the most famous human beings of the 20th century died in 1960. And was replaced with an imposter otherwise known as PID the truth is stranger than the most wildly imagined fiction plastic mac as a virtual encyclopedia of evidence in support of PID from every area of research. It's also a truly riveting story of a creative genius who courageously stood against a corrupt mass social engineering program in his death and replacement was clearly meticulously and carefully planned in order to further that agenda. If truth is what you see plastic mac is a must read. Hello is very kind. But yeah I mean I am motivated by justice. I mean I've always been drawn to the social justice cause and I was involved in animal and environmental law. But I just see that I just to try to do what happened to the Paul and how he was I'm actually very impressed with him because he was 24 when he died and he was very intellectual and very talented. He was trying to improve himself. He was trying to improve his social condition. He was trying to bring out information that he thought was important like J.K. and you know be at home and what not. And then just to have just to be erased just to be erased and have some meals with different values to come in and manipulate people. I mean it is just a poly the whole story. But my theory is based on a rejection and the accident scenario. So then if you think why who wants to replace it in for purpose and why. And that's when I came up with the larger agenda and tie in top stock and the drug agenda and LSD and trying to really... It's basically like a one-year-old or a agenda or a new world or you know it's one-year-old government, a new world or an... taking culture and socially engineering it into... The big change happened in 1966. I mean I was at the level at that point that I can look back and see how there was a big shift and you'd probably agree right? Yes yes yes. There's something I want to pursue here that this next review puts brings to the fore. Finally Tina has put her voluminous knowledge on the PID subject into one book. I found it curious that a new version of the memoirs of Billy Scheer has come out around the time of this book as if to draw away from this one. Yes the person these books are about does think this way as new people who make the most of contract of the contract. Every assertion for the case Tina brings forth is backed up by articles news by three searching witness accounts. Famous figures have had trained doubles throughout history most recently stolen in Saddam Hussein. On three quarters away through it's a fast read most useful is all the reference material to look at. As a PID Paul is dead hobbyist I'm finding small factoids that I didn't know. The book does a great job bringing us up to the president one example. Jimmy Fallon is saying to fall you're the best Paul impressionist of all to a stunned fall. So much in here even for someone first in the subject but probably even more useful for someone who wants to get caught up on a phenomenon that was forced to be laid to rest by a live magazine article to which you referred previously in the 1970s. Because that's basically what any made me burner will set boomer will say oh I remember they talked about this in the Abby Road album and just laughed it at that in particular. The memoirs ability shares I mean it seems to me very very convincing this sounds like this was written by the guy who replaced Paul I'm therefore very interested in your take on the memoirs ability shares. And it's fan fiction. I mean we know who the author is he's some guy you talk there are corporation records and the targeted license for you to us we know who he is he's not fall. And he basically in my opinion just went through the PID for his got information and imagined what it would be like from fall perspective and wrote an entertaining book but it's not I mean it's fan fiction versus a research book like mine which is those two completely different animals. Of course of course of course but you know it reads so convincingly I mean this guy had a genius put to put himself in that mindset and write that in such an authentic way. Well I am some people are good authors I mean there are plenty of good fiction writers I thought one of them but yeah. I wanted off Gerber or Mitchell would like to join in here with questions of their own Gerber do you have any more questions. Yeah I'd like to say that I believe that Pete best didn't make it in the bad because he would not change his hairstyle and John was becoming the center of image and he was I heard that he refused to change that do that he had at 50s do over. Well you know that's fair because I actually speculated that when raising they got rid of the paint that's because he couldn't have a lot of top. So they have the way we hear at home at the end going you know they said it was because he was and a good drummer. It's not possible that also I don't think he has the right personality and if you watch the Beatles interact with each other and then for example watch them with when Jimmy Nichols sat in with them it was a completely different dynamic and it doesn't really work and I think Ringo just fit right in perfectly so. You know I feel bad for a cute bad say he just he doesn't have the right personality I don't think that's very very interesting Mitchell would you like to contribute to have some questions of your own. No I didn't write down Jim I had a caller trying to call in from nation to six six one four one nine three one anyway can you get them back I probably I can't probably because I don't I only have a US you know I see I see I see a form caller. Foreign car yeah sorry if that's kind of taking a come right in wasn't from four four was it from great Britain that was I'm going to look at it in a second I'm just in the middle try to get them connected. Sure sure sure Gerber any more you'd like to add no thank you for accepting my call and I hope everything's well on your side like this. Thank you Tina and Mitch thank you for joining me I'm going to roll on and come bless you guys thanks so much for calling in great to have you here with us today. Tina tell tell us more about what you think is the core of the issue that the public needs to understand about the death and replacement of Paul McCartney. Well I mean they really I think they need to understand that there is a broader agenda one w