"An Open Secret" 2014 UNCUT Child Sexual Abuse in the Film ndustry

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Hello, I'm Conrad Bain. Tonight on Different Strokes, we're starting a special two-part show on a very sensitive and important subject. We urge families, children and parents alike to watch both of these informative episodes and then to discuss the problem presented, which is of deep concern to all of us. Hey Mr. Bicycle Man! I'm Mr. Bicycle Man! I'm the man's name is Mr. Horses. Right! Hey Mr. Bicycle Man! That show was very unsettling for me. I couldn't watch it. I didn't want to be around it. I asked him, don't write me in. Please write me out of most of this. Get me a bite, please! Please! Don't just stand there. Don't be grumbled. Well Daddy, I guess you could keep his bite downstairs in the garage. Yeah Dad, there's plenty of safe places to ride in the park. And as far as trace people go, I mean they're everywhere. We've got one living in our apartment. It was unsettling because I had myself gone through that. And watching it happening on the show, it was like, we're living that all over again. I was we're living that whole thing all over again. Maybe we better not let you dad know about the bike. In fact, maybe it would be best if you didn't even mention it, you know, that you came back here. I gave you all this ice cream before dinner. Why don't we just make it a little secret out? You know something Mr. Hartley, you're sneaky. I'm sneaky. Yeah, I'm getting a whole new respect for sneaky. This is what happened in my life. And they didn't know about it. You know something I don't really like you. I really like you. You and I are going to have a lot of good times together. We met when I was a baby. I was 14 and he was 17. There was a school dance at my at my Hello, I'm Conrad Bain. Tonight on different strokes, we're starting a special two-part show on a very sensitive and important subject. Now we urge families, children and parents alike to watch both of these informative episodes and then to discuss the problem presented, which is a deep concern to all of us. Hey Mr. Barsicle man! Hey Mr. Barsicle man! I know the man's name is Mr. Hartley. Right. Hey Mr. Barsicle man! That show was very unsettling for me. I couldn't watch it. I didn't want to be around it. I asked him, don't write me in. Please write me out of most of this. Get me a bite, please! Please! Don't just stand there. Don't be grumbled. Well daddy, I guess he could keep his bite downstairs in the garage. Yeah dad, there's plenty of safe places to ride in the park. And as far as trace people go. I mean, they're everywhere. We've got one living in our apartment. It was unsettling because I had myself gone through that. And watching it happen on the show, it was like we're living that all over again. I was we're living that whole thing all over again. Maybe we better not let you dad know about the bike. In fact, maybe it would be best if you didn't even mention it, you know that you came back here and I gave you all this ice cream before dinner. Why don't we just make it a little secret out? You know something Mr. Hartley, you're sneaky. You're not sneaky. Yeah, I'm getting a whole new respect for sneaky. This is what happened in my life. And they didn't know about it. You know something I don't really like you. I really like you. You and I are going to have a lot of good times together. We met when I was a baby. I was 14. And he was 17. There was a school dance at my school. It was called the sweetheart dance. And a fort. We just can't afford that. So he was not happy. I mean, he was disappointed. But he was okay. But I think it was a dream of his from the time he was that old, 12, 13, 14 years old. So when he got an opportunity, I couldn't say no. Graduated high school and left for California. My grandparents were the ones that made the move from Switzerland. They took out a map and then they pointed wherever they wanted to go. My grandmother made my grandpa actually do it. And he told me that he purposely moved to LA. Because he wanted to see all the celebrities and the stars. What people think they can see down here. I think every little kid is dreams about being famous and being in movies and stuff like that. I mean, a lot of my heroes were actors. Johnny Depp was the biggest at the time. And just everything that he was able to do, the different personas that he was able to take on that fascinated me. Everyone had always said this growing up is like, get on mic should be in modeling or mic should be in acting. It was great. So I got a good manager and then I booked tons and tons and tons especially print. I mean, it was like I couldn't stop booking it. Yeah, he was thrilled. He was excited. We're from a Midwestern town and that was really something new and something different. And Michael seemed to be thrilled with doing it. I had a good life growing up. I started doing operas and stuff like that with my grandmother at the Houston Grand Opera. I remember going out at the very end of the opera and holding a sword up in the air. And like everybody, it was the very end that going up and holding a sword and everybody stood up and clapped and started throwing flowers and everything. It was in the sound of it was just amazing. The sound of the crowd. And that's probably the happiest acting memory that I have, the happiest experience that I have. I started developing an interest in acting and started taking acting classes in Houston and got an agent. I don't know where you want to go. I don't know your venture. Look, this is California. This is where you're making this. This is it. You know what I mean? This is where it all starts. People try to die and they try to get you. I mean, you hear. So what's your luck? Thank you very much. Just the love of movies and film and I just kind of grew up with it ever since I was like five years old. I was in what's even going over a grape. I was in a couple of other films. I was in the apostle with Robert Duval and Farifoset. It tells me I love a Savior's love who died to say. The audition process was we met up with Robert Duval and he sat at a piano, my little sister, and I sang some songs with him. Oh, hell and the Jesus. Oh, hell and the Jesus. Because he first loved me. Let's give a big hand. I have always been singing since I was three. I remember him taking afternoon naps and he would wake up from his nap and he would sing. We thought he had a very good voice but then we heard it from friends and even from people. We would go to a restaurant and even with singing and people would just come up and say, oh my God, how cute he is and he has such a good voice. He has a talent. You should do something with that talent. I wanted to perform. I wanted to be part of that in crowd. I wanted to be friends with stars so I could tell everybody else that I have friends who are celebrities. He starts his lovely creature that she stands and she stands for the hair of the river and he's in green gloves on her hair. You're just attracted to, I guess, being the center of attention. This lovely creature, this is a hair, this is a hair, which you walk with me a while to this night so fast. I was the kid most likely to be a star. I was in the Stir and Entertainment. Long blonde hair. Hi. Can I borrow you towel? Yeah, sure. Thank you. I probably play the bratty person, your mother warned you about, yeah, I looked very young so when I was 12 I could read for 8, 10, 9. That's what LA looks for. Like now, I could probably play 25 or 30, I'm sure. You made him off a lot of money for the movie companies and I would hope that you've gotten a nice big chunk yourself. You're doing all right. What do you want to do when you grow up? It's tough. It's not as easy and glamorous as everybody thinks it is. It's amazing to give, but I'm 6 and a half years old. If you don't understand right away that you're going to get a million knows and maybe one yes if you're lucky, maybe. You know what I mean? Then you shouldn't be in this business. As a child, especially you're having a door slamming your face every day, sometimes six times a day, you could go on a year's worth of auditions and not book a job. And that gets very frustrating because you're not seeing any benefit from what you're doing. If you're watching this DVD or video, you're probably a parent looking for information related to launching a career in the entertainment industry for your infant child routine. There's a lot of managers now in the business. When I first came to town managing kids, I was the only one. No one else managed children. They never heard of it. They looked at me like I was crazy. Several of the established agents wouldn't even talk to me. I must be a terrible person if I was coming with all these kids. It took a while to establish that children need management just like everybody else. I'm one of the founding members of the then screen actors guild young performers committee, now Sag Aftra. And I have been the chair of the committee in the past. Now I'm just a foot soldier. Children are mostly willing to listen. They're ready to absorb things. They haven't yet developed any preconceived ideas about who they are and how they're going to get somewhere. We try and advise them what directions to go in. And when you're doing that, you're managing the parent as well. When parents enter the entertainment industry, they are typically entering the industry because their child is asked them to because it's a dream of their child. Or because someone has approached them and said that their child was somehow suited to the industry. They don't have any idea how the industry really works. A lot of kids I know have gotten emancipated because they wanted to have the studio see them as an adult so they wouldn't have to pay for set teachers and have to have their parents on set etc. The actor is responsible for their headshot and their resume. So my pet peeve is the actor that comes in and says, oh my mom has that in the waiting room. Your mom should never have your headshot and resume unless she's picking them up from the print shop. Once you are eight you are responsible for your own career. The internet changed everything for us. We were quite surprised to find our own children's pictures were being sold on eBay. Just the regular headshots, not anything salacious, not even anything erotic. Our kids were not famous at all. They were working but they were certainly not where anyone would care that their headshots were being sold on eBay. And yet it became clear that they were and they were being sold for a lot of money. And you wonder who wants my kids picture for $300. Especially a printed picture that we'd send you for free. We started the process of investigating. We started to put together a matrix of the photographers and the sellers and who was doing what. We were very disturbed to find that they were really close to us, really, really close. The story of the film was about to begin. The story of the film was about to begin. My cousin Darian, he was working all the time. He went to 50 auditions in a span of two months or something. He was actually moving up. Well, the way it happened is because of his cousin. He was already signed with a manager. My parents and my sister approached and just said that Darian is doing very well with Marty. You guys should check it out. Martin Weiss, that are known as Marty, was a manager in Hollywood for probably a good 15 years. He managed child actors, boys and girls, but primarily boys. Marty had close relationships with his clients. He had sleepovers regularly, screening parties with his clients regularly. He would take them out to Halloween, trick or treating all his clients together. And he would dress up like a dinosaur or a shark or thing one or thing two from the cringe. He was very aggressive as a manager though, and he was honestly very good at it. His clients got auditions. They got work. He said, I have to do a few songs and you'll make it big and you'll meet a producer. You'll get signed by a label. You can star on Disney Channel shows. You know, what kid wouldn't want that, right? It happened pretty quick. I didn't remember he was signed with Marty at age 11. I didn't really think quite honestly at the time that much would come of it. Okay, our next performer is the singer, career lesson one year ago, and already caught the eye in the air of several major things in the industry. I remember I did the Young Artist Awards. And while he was excited, you know, he got dressed up and was a bit nervous. We did too. And maybe we were more nervous than he was. For us, it was extreme exciting and we were really proud of Evan. And it also felt, at least I thought it felt right for Evan too. When he was up there singing, he was like a natural. Marty called me one day. He was like, Evan, I have a surprise. You got a Burger King commercial. Open Season Toys are now a Burger King. You can collect all eight open Season Toys. There's one for kids meal. And you can have a smart treat, black milk, have it your way. With open Season at Burger King now. It was exciting because I never did a commercial and I landed a commercial. Break to see your kid on TV, you know, the first time in a day there's Evan. Right. So we were very proud. Marty really, you know, he did a lot for Evan. My parents dropped my brother and I off at my aunt's house and then we met Marty. And then he picked my cousins and my brother and I at. And we went to play basketball at a park. And, you know, he was kind of cool. He would make jokes and, you know, he was a really immature and we were all immature back then. And he'd crack sex jokes and I thought nothing was wrong with it. My cousin and him, they seemed to be friends already. And they would, you know, there was no filter. They'd just say whatever they wanted. As we got to know him, he was, you know, he was a nice guy. And over the years, you know, he became more or less part of the family. You know, Marty would be there every weekend. And for every holiday, for every Christmas, every birthday. We were playing basketball and he would make weird jokes like, oh, Evan, do you know what a blow job is? And, you know, they made me feel like I didn't fit in because I didn't know some of these terms yet. That was, you love it. We came to find out that, you know, Marty was, didn't have a family, was alone and whatever. And he just kind of got, I don't know if the right word is adopted, but he just became part of the family. Later that night, he just, you know, he was like, why don't we just talk about music a little bit? I was in the past and drew a C in the front. He just kept driving around and we talked about kind of what. I would sing what artists I like. And... Marty, all of a sudden, out of the blue, you know, he was like, did you ever see an old man's penis before? And I was like, and I was like, whoa, that's kind of odd. And I didn't want to, you know, be disrespectful and just get out of the car and, you know, what would I do? I was kind of in the middle of nowhere with this guy. I told him, no, I never saw an old man's penis before. And, you know, we got out and you were walking, we got to a park. And there was a tree and he pushed me to the tree and it was like, I'll show you what a blowjob is. Ah! This is Marty. Thanks, Marty. You're welcome, buddy. That is cool. All right. Thanks, Marty. My pleasure. Nice. I kept saying, no, no, he was pulling my pants down. And I didn't know what to do after that. I told him, tell somebody because he was really cool. Everybody liked him. And I considered it like nothing really happened. I can just brush it off. It'll go away, no problem. Around November of 2011, I became aware of this issue of child abuse and Hollywood. You have young children who are aspiring actors because of these aspirations. They end up being somewhat easy targets. Some cases have parents who set aside normal cautions and allow their children access to adults when parents might normally be alarmed. Any actor is vulnerable in that position. Actors put themselves in the hands of coaches, agents, managers, publicists, and by and large trust them. You know, being up sometimes really early to go to these auditions and stuff. That was when Michael Herod approached me and said, you know, well, you can come and stay at my house with, you know, the other guys that are there. He had three other guys staying in the house with them that were his clients. Many of the kids that I worked with couldn't have even been able to take advantage of being in the industry. Had they had to have their families move here with them from a 10, 11 to 16, 17. But I still thought it was rather odd. Someone would let their 10-year-old son move in with, at the time, I think, mid-50s, your old man. I do see the possibility that things can be misinterpreted. And I try to be very aware of that. No matter how closely you're working with someone and you do work closely with clients in these situations, there still has to be that professional line in there where you say, we're not stepping over this. We worry about stranger danger. Don't let your child be alone with a stranger. Everyone really tends to think that a pedophile is kind of a rapist. But really, that's not how they work. They employ a process called grooming that is a slow, meticulous way of convincing a child and their parents to trust them. And there's the official photographer with a nice smile. The perpetrator in these types of situations has the ideal layer. You know, this is their environment. They are creating or constructing a reality for themselves that accommodates their particular patterns of sexual arousal. The predator is looking at this as a way to work their way into your life, to make a personal relationship with the children and to be there to bond with them. Whoa, that out, guys. Big hands for our dog. He did it. That's a man. Typically, a predator is grooming many, many children at the same time and they're at different levels of the grooming process. Because a predator knows, like any tiger in the jungle, they're not going to catch every rabbit. They just need to catch the weak ones. We went back and began to try to do some sort of reporting to try to determine how widespread this problem is. Marty was very well known in the community. He had friends who were buying and selling pictures on eBay. We started to realize that some of the sellers were convicted sex offenders. We knew that he was somehow involved with another convicted sex offender, Bob Vallard, who was selling pictures on eBay. Bob Vallard was a very prominent publicist in the 1980s in Hollywood. He knew Bob Vallard casually as someone who was in the industry and he did do publicity sometimes for clients that I had. He handled big names like Toby McGuire and Leonardo DiCaprio. He was very well known as a publicist. Bob Vallard was also a photographer. So I've meet Bob Vallard as a publicist who can, as a good photographer, bring exposure and whatnot, I believe through Michael Hara. He was one of our biggest eBay sellers. It became obvious to us that Bob Vallard was selling candid photos that he had taken. You're there for a weekend and he feels just comfortable enough to try to touch you when you drank a few beers or it's always good to get that few beers and he tries to touch me. We always knew his photo style because he typically had the kids shirtless. Typically took an angle that was from the top down so that the children are looking up at the camera as they would be looking up at the predator in an abuse situation. Bob Vallard was a manager, he was a publicist, he was connected. I can tell you that the number one problem in Hollywood was and is and always will be pedophilia. There was a circle of older men and they all had either their own power or connections to great power that surrounded themselves around this group of kids. Then it's widespread? Oh yeah, I was surrounded by them. They were everywhere like bultures. For us that really connected a lot of people. Connections between how the kids got hooked in, we started to see the patterns. One of Bob Vallard's favorite subjects was Brock Pierce. He was a common snapshot boy being sold by Bob Vallard's eBay seller. Brock and the pictures was young, appeared to be 13, 14. Brock Pierce, meanwhile, was connected to Mark Collins' Reactor and Chad Shackley. We saw that they owned a company together called Den, which again on the surface it seems kind of logical that a child actor would grow up and become, you know, use their money that they had made as a child perhaps and open an internet company. When we started to realize what this really was, it became a much bigger deal. I was a New York City police detective when the college in Los Angeles school went. He came in the Western Banker and then I backed into writing, broken verb, big stories over there. I was very fortunate to break big stories. In the late 90s, 1990s, the NASDAQ went from 10,000 to like 1000. A lot of people lost fortunes. One of them was the Digital Entertainment Network. It just happened to go across my desk and I read about it a little bit and I thought it might be a good story. In the 80s, it was MTV that captured the attention of young people all over the world. However, now that youngsters are turning to the internet, a company called Digital Entertainment Network, thinks they've got a chance of becoming the next big thing. They've created television-like programming exclusively for the web. What makes it then different than other internet companies that have come before it? It's a fusion of the marketing power of Madison Avenue, with the technology of Silicon Valley and the entertainment of Hollywood. They were even in their programming, primarily for young people. It was a whole new concept. The majority of young people today are not finding themselves reflected in television. We're creating content that specifically targets your needs, your wants, your desires. We're creating a new form of entertainment to serve the global youth audience. Can we get a little spine from our example of shiny? It's a lot out here. I'm sorry, little shiny out of the eye. Makeup. More Collins Rector. Somehow, on one of the early chat lines, which were little more than hookah places, he came across Chad Chackley. You really should be on camera. I'm on camera. Who, at the time, was a 15-year-old kid, and Collins Rector was much older than that. Okay. More Collins Rector moves to be close to Chad Chackley. And then, they start, for lack of a better or dating. Eventually, Chad moves in with more Collins Rector. Chad and I had to jointly develop the concentric network corporation, which was one of the very first internet service providers. And then they brought in Brock Pierce. Now, how Brock Pierce eventually landed as anybody's guess? A friend of ours introduced us to Brock Pierce. Brock, at the time, was producing his first independent feature. He'd been an actor for many years. And together, three of us completed what was eventually to become dead. Everybody was just all money to them. David Giffin, I believe, put it in a quarter million dollars. Brian Singer, he had 50,000. Michael Huffing put about five million bucks into this. It must have been 150 million, those pump dentures. Now, 15 years ago, 150 million was still a pretty good piece of Chad. He needed somebody to ask me a question so I could give him an answer. Is that Jay? Come here, Jay. Drill me on camera. He was flamboyant. I mean, everybody told me he was very theatrical or dramatic. I'm proud of him. He had a very good way of getting his way. Think about this. He takes a 15-year-old kid from his parents to move in with him. That's, you know, that's Chad. Most of us would be afraid to, even if we did, well, there was male or female, you'd be a terrified even to ask that question, but feel that they're going to come and take your way in handcuffs. Surely you have something out of all this bullshit you can cut five seconds out of day. Giffin May, right? Yes. They had a great idea. Their idea was to make their own films and put it on the internet. Well, long, well, that's what Netflix is doing now. Of course, it's 15 years later. The problem was the internet and old computers did not have the capability for that. But meanwhile, they were paying people money and filming as though they were a major studio. I was called to go out for an audition for the show, Royal Standard. I am 14 years old and I started acting when I was about five years old. I enjoyed a lot, so that's a fun thing. So we went over to Den and I had the audition there and I met him, I met Mark Collins-Rector and I met some of the other people there. Everybody seemed impressed and, you know, this is the guy for the part, the kid for the part. Yeah, that didn't ever happen before, just getting hired on the spot like that. I thought he was nice, that he was a nice guy. I thought he was nice. How it feel about working on the Royal Standard set? It's great. Crews wonderful. It's a lot of fun working on green screen. I get to learn some martial arts more than I already know, so. It's lots of fun. It's wonderful. We're in the base of my house. This is where Mark basically lived for a couple of years. He spent most of his time down here. He was kind of like a hermit down here. This is where he hit out. I was looking for some paperwork. Mike had told me to look for some paperwork that Mark had. Mark had a copy of Mike had a copy. I came down here and I found these documents. I found Mark's deposition. Mark states, I met Mike O'legan in 99 when I moved to Los Angeles. He called us and told us that he was working for a company called DIN. I know he was really happy about that. It was big step for him. Mike was with him at the time. I had already met Mark Cohen's director Chad Shaq Lambrock Pierce at a graduation that we had for our private school. There were only a few people in my grade. Scott Shaq Lambrock was Chad's little brother. So I was introduced to them. And then they gave me a job as an actor at DIN in a TV show. Was that good? Was that good? Okay. My favorite hobbies? One of the first shows they produced was Chad's World. It was about a young boy who comes to live with this old man. It was a real example of art imitating life. They're alive. Welcome to your new world, Chad. Geez, you guys fixed it all up for me. In fact, they even filled Chad's world at their house. The emmancy mansion. We got your own TV, phone, VCR stereo. You're on jacuzzi. Got the works. Oh yeah. I think I'll be able to hang here. It was a... fulfill your dream. In or about September 1999, both Michael and Egan and I were invited to a party. We are at what used to be called the emmancy estate. Mark Collins Rector and Chad Shaq Lambrock house. Well, we arrived there and Michael introduced me to Collins Rector Chad and Brock. Mark Collins Rector just showed me the house, showed me the backyard, the guest houses. You know, it went through all that. There was no expense spared at the emmancy estate that really wasn't. The pool was ridiculous. There was a swim up bar like in the pool. Like I can remember often being served lunch like the Butler or whatever the chef would come out and like bring lunch at the swim up bar at the pool. You know what I mean? It was literally like going to Disney World for the first time. It was like, this is amazing. This place you got here could definitely go to our advantage. Bring some girls here. I think I'll love this place. Sounds good to me. Before I even went to the house, like Scott was like, you know, my house is different. You know, like the dynamic at my house is not like a normal house. I guess I should tell you. They're gay. Hey, that's cool with me. I'm a proud. The whole park was definitely like the leader. And then like, it was always like Mark, like the husband, Chad, would be the female figure of the wife. And I don't know how in a normal context, you would fit Brock into that picture. Where do you want my eyes? Right into the lens. And it'll not be great. Okay. If I was over late at night, you'd see like they'd have people over getting into a hot tub with Chad or Brock or Mark or all three of them at one time getting in, where he was naked and all of them were naked getting in the hot tub. And you'd start to see these different little things happen. I'd be like, what the hell is going on? There's a skinny, different rule after or after a nighttime. So anybody who was over, you know what I mean? It didn't matter who it was that you had to skinny dip after or after a dot screw or whatever. You know what's going on? So you don't want to look right at it. It's like the sun during the eclipse. You know what I mean? You want to look, but you don't want to look. You know what I mean? But, you know, I can't say that. I mean, obviously they weren't having sex in the hot tub right out in the open. But, you know, it was obvious to me that something was going on just by the position. But I can remember just like, again, like, well, I mean, that's going on over there. It's kind of weird, but I'm in this Olympic-sized swim. He did swim for right now, doing laughs. You know what I mean? Like, okay. So you know what I mean? And it was definitely awkward. What is the most exciting thing about an energy you? The most exciting thing about Dennis, the people that work here, the people creating the content, the people that are running the show, work a whole bunch. Brock Pierce told me that they were going to a party in Hollywood Hills being held by David Newman. This is American bandstand. I was going to say if you're on X to see. Yeah. That's probably not a good idea. It's totally gonna happen. Yeah. This is... At this party, there were lots of drugs available and there were many young teenage boys, ages 14, 15 there. Some of the big studio people were there, including Garth Ancier and Randall Cliser. The party with so many teenage boys and no women, not even the caterers, had made me feel uncomfortable. They would find the good looking ones that they wanted in their shows and then pray upon them. I remember the... I don't remember his name, but the one kid that was in royal standard, he was a younger kid, even younger than me at the time. And I remember once Marquette been at the auditions, they would go to the auditions and so forth to try to pick the ones that they wanted. And I remember the one younger kid, Blontair Kid, I don't remember what his name was, but I remember Marqu going right after him. Do I remember the first time? Yeah, I do. He had picked me up at the studios and took me back to his house and on the drive, on the way back, he was asking me if I liked guys or if I liked girls, I said I liked girls. And he goes, okay, well, you know how you pick up girls is you put a sock in your pants to make your crops look bigger. So when we got back to the house, he had gotten a sock and he would adjust it around and say, this is how it goes like this, you know. At one point, he said, you know, why don't you just take off your clothes, take off your clothes, and let me see what you look like. So I don't know why I did it, but I did and he looked at me and he goes, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. That night, he dressed me up in somebody else's clothes and wanted to take me out to dinner. And I wore a sock in my pants that night. He would take me to his, in his house, he had a movie theater in his house. We went into the movie theater. I don't remember how it was that he got me, he started doing what he was doing with me. I don't remember my memories are of me like just, you know, just sitting in there and, you know, being scared at first. We would sit in there and watch something and then he would, he would talk to me while he was doing it and say, you know, this is nothing to worry about, you know, don't be scared, you know, it's completely normal. I remember being scared. And I remember him saying, come on, think about a girl that you really like. Think about a girl that you really like. Roast-andered, you know, it's a good series right now. And hopefully, you know, when I get older, do a lot of film work, try to make my way up and, hopefully, catch a good TV series sometime or internet series, which I'm on. We know that in child abuse, the power dynamic is tilted. You have an adult who's praying on the child, who is manipulating the child. They tell me in interviews that they're fearful of professional reprisals and they're fearful of never working again. He just showed me porn and he told me, oh, these are clients having sex with their managers. These 60-year-old men having sex with 14-year-old clients. He just told me, is normal, like this goes on all the time. This is what you have to do. Everybody does this. Everybody manages children. And he would tell me that constantly, oh, no, you like it. And at some point, I believe in him. He would say, we could call him this guy. He would be glad to meet you. And he showed me this whole business of people that would be mad at me if I told anybody. It is this added element where these young children are hoping to achieve a professional goal, which creates extra weight. The child should hear she be abused. It would make it more difficult for them to come forward in that circumstance. Mark, he would sit down and say, oh, well, we're going to help you. I mean, you're a part of our group now. And I mean, anyone that's not a part of our group is basically on the dark side. And you want to be on our side. I mean, we control all of Hollywood. Basically, in essence, if you weren't with them, you didn't succeed. You had nothing. And he made that very clear in these sessions. Either you're a part of the group or you're a part of the dark side. The sad part is, they can emotionally scar a child for life. Man, I never would have guessed that Mr. Horton was. You know, gay. But he's not Willis. You know, that's the common fallacy about child molesters. They're not gay. They're only interested in little boys or little girls, not adults. Look, I'm only 11 years old. Should I be hearing all of this? I felt so in shame and guilt behind that secret that I held it for so long. Then I thought that all, you know, and then you started thinking that all homosexuals are pedophiles. You know, all guys gay, or he's a pedophile. I have to watch out for him. He may try to get me or something. People should get this clear. These people are predators. They go after young boys. And they do it for their own reasons. So this has got nothing to do with being gay. This has got to be because they're evil people. And they particularly pick on people who they know will be victims. They're predators. That's who they are. In the beginning, it was all happy, go lucky, and then things started changing. He slowly became different on the phone. That's how it came across to me. Something's wrong. Something's not going right because he's, I can tell when he's not 100% mark. Suddenly, he's not so happy. And suddenly, suddenly, he wants to come home. I never knew what that was about. Hi. Hi, honey. How are you? All right, so are you going? Your buddies here. Is that? That's true. You're very excited. So have you been to this house before? Yeah. Yeah. It was awesome. Never been to a party here, though. You've never been to a party? Yes. Some good ones? Several. They would have big parties very often. That's what the names were complaining about. They had always caused blocking the sidewalk. They would have valet service all set up out here, and this street would be lined with vehicles. Everyone was promoted to drink, drink, drink, drink, drink. I never had one drink ever before my life until I was at that MNCS state. I don't ever recall ever drinking. I mean, 14 years old, it wasn't the top of my list. There was an after party. Mike Ligan, Brock Pears, Chad Shackley, and Mark Collins, Rector were present. Drugs were made available to us, including quailudes, volume, somas, bichet and demoral, marijuana, ecstasy, and more. Brock Pears and Mark Collins, Rector, tried to push me into taking these drugs. I refused. They then offered me cocktails, which I accepted. I believe that they laced my cocktail with ecstasy. They would pull away the better looking younger kids and keep them for their own after party, and they would turn into a pool party, and then they'd have their rules. Oh, there's no swimsuits on in the pool. That was the rule. If you were staying at the mansion overnight, how'd it go into the hot tub naked during their parties? Everybody's at a normal party, nobody had swimsuits. In the parties, we're not just for the young boys or for their amusement. It was also a way to entice investors, and they got a lot of investors who would jump into the hot tub with these boys. Gary Goddard was around, Brian Singer was there. Heard come Brian Singer naked getting in the hot tub, and then they'd make jokes of going and picking me up in the hot tub and setting me on Gary or Brian's lap. Then he'd have Brock bringing in drinks and saying, let's just relax and let's talk about what we're going to do. Brock laughing that they had put pills in my drink or all kinds of different things. I remember waking up at certain times and not knowing where I was. I was feeling very lightheaded, dizzy and confused. Collins Rexter then told me I could go to sleep in his bed, but that if I went into his bed, I would have to strip naked. Collins Rexter then turned from being concerned and compassionate to forceful and threatening. I told him that I would not go to bed with him, to which he responded well then, just don't worry about going into work tomorrow morning. I went to sit on the couch at some point I passed out. When I awoke, I found myself in Mark's bed and completely naked with my clothes on the floor. Collins Rexter was in the bed and he was naked as well with his arm around me. I am not sure of all the things that were done to me. However, I noted Collins Rexter drugged me and abused me. I immediately got out of bed, got dressed, went downstairs. I found Michael Egan sleeping on the couch and woke him, telling him I wanted to get out of this place. I think the best way to describe this is a pedophile ring. That's what it was. Did all the investors know what was going on? Probably not. Did a lot of them suspect? Sure. Hello, I'm Brian Singer and you're watching Rollywood at www.den.net. Brian Singer is a very prominent director in Hollywood. He's done some pretty major movies, the usual suspects. X-Men, X2. So there's been quite a lot of, you would recognize his work. Most people wouldn't recognize some of the odd connections that seem to tie him to this world. You start, you start, you start, you start, you're a star. Pickleboy. Brian Pet, who was convicted of child molestation, worked for him on X-Men and did the commentary for X-Men with Brian Singer. Hi, my name is Brian Singer and I'm the director of X-Men. I'm the other Brian, Brian Pet, I'm not the director of X-Men. I've asked Brian if he would help me out here because I'm a little uncomfortable doing these things by myself. Now you're going to see something very exciting here. One is Stanley selling hot dogs. My buddy Gary Goddard was the guy walking alongside in the flannel shirt and the guy eating hot dogs is you. The fat guy in the Hawaiian shirt eating hot dogs. Hey, that's me. Thank you for, I'm on screen so long, thank you. You are, it's, in fact, you are so imposing and the screen people don't even see Stanley. I think the thing that appealed to me most about it was the idea that it was about, it was about anyone who feels disenfranchised, anyone who feels prejudice against them. I mean, it's really about a group of reluctant superheroes, sort of their powers manifest at puberty and they wake up one day and they're different from most of the people around them. And it's how they learn to embrace their extraordinary abilities and what's unique about them and help defend a world that might at times condemn them. A number of people I spoke to would put money in. Completely denied that anything untoward was going on there. And it was as though they were from the industrial home for the blind. I mean, if you see young men naked in a hot tub, when you're having dinner or you're having dinner with naked young boys or young boys who are, you know, in a properly dressed for dinner, unless you're deaf dumb and blind you say, hey, this doesn't taste right. Something's wrong here. These are not polyannas, these are very small guys. Hollywood doesn't have any system in place to protect anybody and children will wait down on that list. I can assure you. In a Screen Actors Guild meeting, we were all serving on the Young Performers Committee at the time, which is a national committee at the Screen Actors Guild. And another parent brought a news article from the LA Times that described Bob the Lards arrest. And the fact that the LA police department was looking for additional victims for the Lard. And said, I request that SAG look into the idea of distributing this article or putting out an alert or something to their members, that it seems like something that's a safety related thing that maybe we should let everyone know. And Michael Hera had a very odd reaction that day. He vehemently opposed SAG getting involved. Hera did not feel that SAG should be stepping forward, even in the wake of the LA police department asking for more victims. So SAG did not step forward and send that news out that day. Well, I don't know that we've hidden them. I would think you would want to not hide it, but you would want to protect the child, whose identity is going to come out the more you play it out. A situation like this never helps anybody. And yes, the sooner we can get it under control, the better. But the less the child has to live with the stigma of it having happened, I think it's better for them. Not only career wise, but personally. It's why people don't report, because they know that even if they are believed, they're afraid that something will happen to their kids' career. There are people who don't want this out. The studios work to make sure this isn't very public. Brian Peck moved to Nickelodeon and coached on almost all their shows, really. It was one of those shows where he befriended a pretty major child actor. That child was abused by Brian Peck. He came forward and filed criminal charges against Brian Peck. And Brian Peck almost immediately pled guilty. Clearly he didn't want an investigation to continue, or clearly the studio didn't want an investigation to continue. The victim has chosen to remain anonymous all along in order to continue to work. It's unheard of that a child would be able to step forward at the time of their abuse when they're still a minor and continue to work afterward. I can't think of a single example where that's happened. So a kid that wants to speak out and say what happened to them beyond their family would truly have to give up their career. It's very sad that that's the case, but it's a reality. That's the worst part of it all is that he's still working on kids shows and he's still here. And he's been convicted. It's not somebody that we have rumors about or that we've had complaints about. There's actual convictions. And he's still here. I feel confident in saying all of the convicted predators that I have been familiar with had many more victims than the one that was convicting. We're absolutely talking about the tip of a iceberg. I'm not sure that we'll ever see the whole iceberg because I think there's so many factors pushing that iceberg down into the water. I think that sexual abuse doesn't get more attention because it's an uncomfortable subject. We don't want to talk about it. It's ugly. It reveals things about our culture that we don't want to know. But by not discussing it, then we don't identify it as a bigger problem as it is. A lot of child molesters will have this defense or this argument that it wasn't hurtful or wasn't harmful to child enjoyed it. Many of them actually use that type of language. And in fact, it could be the case that it wasn't quite as traumatic as we assume it was at the time that it actually happened. Now the problem with this is that so many kids grow up to interpret that experience of manipulation and exploitation and abuse by a trusted authority figure, and then this psychological time bomb occurs. I ended up in a hospital for a little while. I start freaking out and thinking that people are out to get me. And I was very suicidal. I'd always fantasized about suicide quite a bit. I had a pellet gun that I would fantasize about using to kill myself. I remember sitting in my room and crying my eyes out and sitting in a corner with the pellet gun, you know, the saying, why did this happen to me? Yeah, I guess you could say I kind of fell by the wayside and let LA suck me in. I had started doing drugs and got involved with a whole bunch of people I probably shouldn't have whenever I'd have any pain or anything I'd drink. I'd drink and drink and drink and drink and drink. I didn't know who to blame or what to blame and I completely just hated everything about everyone. I'm trying to leave that stuff that happened to me at 12 years old, as far as behind me that I can, we had to have more. We had to have more and more because we didn't want to feel anymore. We were going to be completely numb of everything we were feeling. And cocaine was it. And then shove it down further and further. And meanwhile I'm just shoving it down. Just shoving it down. Just shoving it down. And then one day when it all comes back up, I'm a full-fledged addict. And I thought I was the unique case there, but apparently I'm not. I don't know if that makes me feel better or worse. So many people went through the same thing that I did. He comes home and he's just a completely different person. He never talked about going back out again after that. He never talked about returning. And he was just so introverted then. He didn't trust where before. He didn't have a problem trusting people. He started drinking. He started drinking more often. And he would hide that from us. After he was back home, he said, I got to tell you something. Mom and I said, what? Mom. He said, you know mine, right? I said, yeah. He said he was, um, he was molested. I'm like, what? And he said, what would you do if that happened to me? What would you do as a mom? What would you do? His drinking had gotten so out of control that even he knew. I mean, he knew. He couldn't work. He couldn't. It was just affecting his whole life. So we had to give him an ultimatum. So we just sat him down on the back porch and just said, Mark, you got to get help or you have to leave. And he admitted, I know I'm an alcoholic. I know that I have to stop, but I can't. I don't know how. I called the hospital and spoke to a nurse there, asked her about detoxing him and what it would take and how we would do it. And she said, you know, by all means, do not let him stop drinking cold turkey. King cost stroke, King cost seizures, King cost heart failure. Apparently, Mark was the... Mark wanted to do it on his own. Trying to go go cold turkey. Because one day Fred woke me up and he said something's wrong with Mark. So I jumped down a bed and came downstairs. Mark was on the floor. And he was like, had a rag and he said, was wiping something up off the floor and he said, Dad, I swear to God, I'm not drinking. I swear I'm not drinking. But there's nothing on the floor. Fred helped him up, took him over and sat him down on the couch and his buddy or, you know, are you all right? What do you... And he said, I'm not drunk. I'm not. I swear to God. I'm not drunk. I haven't been drinking, Dad, I promise. I swear. We didn't know what was going on. I didn't know. Half of his body was on the couch and his head was going to be back in this corner. But he looked up at Fred and said, I love you, Dad. And Fred goes, I love you too, but he said, just lay back for a minute. When he laid back, he started his tongue and he was just shaken like this and clenched like this and I ran to the phone and called 911. And Fred was holding his arms down so that he wouldn't hurt himself and I bought the phone and I said, I think he's detoxing from alcohol. I think he has withdrawing an ambulance right away. Right away, he's seizing right now. Ambulance came and Fred had him sitting up a little bit. They took off. I came in the house when upstairs started getting dressed. Went to the hospital and we walked in. They said, were you Mr. Mrs. Ryan? And we said, yes. It's your son Mark Ryan, yes. Well, the doctor wants to talk to you. They walked us down his hall into this empty room and put us in this room and shut the door. And then the doctor came in and he said, I have some bad news. Your son's heart stopped on the way to the hospital. We went back a decade to try to find contemporaneous reports and we found 12 separate prosecutions of people who had used this lure of Hollywood to prey on children. And they were across basically all facets of the industry. So you have this phenomenon of crimes potentially being under reported. Moreover, some of the victims that I spoke with felt stigmatized. They felt they were too lame for the crimes that had occurred and feel they can't speak out publicly. We thought everything was half, everything was great. And then all of a sudden one day, you know, Evan just said, look, you know, he wasn't practicing anymore. And I said, what? You've got to be kidding, you know, after everything that you've gone through. I was like, I don't like music anymore. I don't want to do anything with the industry, nothing. I figured he's going through his teenage church and, you know, puberty. And so I figured, you know, maybe that's what it is. I was like, I'm not going to live a life like this. You know, I'm not going to be held down by this guy for the rest of my life. And I needed a way for people to believe me. I needed a way for my family to believe me. I needed a way for people to believe me. I'm getting a massage and I feel great. And I don't care whether or not it looks bad. I love it. Okay. Above the waist, it's not bad. Yeah, I had to find an excuse to get him alone where I could talk to him. So I figured, why don't we go to McDonald's so we could talk in the car. Taking a kiss meal, shake him with another kiss, with a barbecue sauce, make him drink that kiss with you guys. We're going to say, yeah, right? We need him. We need him to talk to Jake. No whipped cream. No whipped cream, no cherry. Because I was hoping that we'd be talking for a long time in the car once he parks somewhere. One of the first time we met, it was the first time we met. We just had one time, we went to the pub. You guys were going to the park to a place of basketball. And then it would be kind of quieter in the car and I can get everything on tape. Because I remember you asked me if I ever did anything with the guy before. Yeah. A long time ago. I was afraid if my recorder would beep or if something would go wrong and if he found out that. And then that's when you asked if I wanted to try it. And that's when you, oh wait, that's when it gave me my first low job, right? You know the recording that's right? No, I'm not. I remember having a car in the car. If you had any questions, please. That situation would have been a painstaking. Yeah, but I didn't at 12. I was not interested. I remember that night you were, you did pull out your penis in the car. And I was scared. I didn't know what to do. Because you asked me if I wanted to touch it. That was in the car, in the van. I remember that. Is that kind of, kind of sounds familiar? I just remember being in the car and you were asking me questions. Well, see, that's just it. The questions were to determine whether or not it was something that you actually wanted to do or didn't want to go. If I didn't do it, I wouldn't go further in the music career or like I thought everyone did it. He would tell me like everyone did it and that it's normal and natural. That's the normal thing to do if you're in the industry. Well, this way it was, you know, I'm sure I said that. I mean, you know, it is a natural function. The only difference between the rest of the animals and the animal kingdom is that we socialize it. They look at animals, they do it. They don't care about anything, they don't care about age, they don't care about sex or sexuality or anything else. They just, you know, they feel like if they go for it. As human beings, we put rules, regulations and restrictions on it. We were any other animal wouldn't have it. It was, I was just numb when he told me I was like, how could this happen? You know, and how could I not have seen it, you know, that this was happening to Evan? And I don't know, it was just so painful, really painful. And of course, the first question for me was, you know, to Evan, did it happen once or how often did it happen? You're kind of hoping it's once and that's it. But then Evan told me that it happened many times and over several years. And that's when I thought I was going to faint. It's just so hard. He just seemed like a great guy. You know, I'm not a violent person, but I wanted to be the living daylights out of this guy. I'm dreaming of a wise, crisp-ass, with Jack and Dixie running free. The first thing that happened to bring her demise of Den was a lawsuit filed in New Jersey against Mar Collins Rector, Chad Chacley and Brock Pierce. It was a lawsuit filed by a young boy who had worked for Mar Collins Rector. This is the first allegation of sexual abuse that became public. At the time, Den was giving up for $75 million initial public offering, which was going to make them all very rich. And when that starts to leak out more and more, two of the boys that have been victims of Mike E and Alex B went into the estate with a camera to collect evidence. One thing he took pictures of was the huge amount of prescription bottles that were Mar Collins Rector's name. OxyContin was one of them. That there was Vyka, Dan, Perkisette, Zanax, and there was like a lot of bottles. We went back into the MNCS State, MNI One Night, and went through and copied every single one of their file cabinets from all their passenger manifests for Jet West file, all their American Express files. Every document that was in those files, we copied. Cabinet after cabinet, we said that they're at the copy machine hours copying a box is full of stuff. It's an email from Brock to Chad and it says, what do you think? And it is a picture of a young boy. This one says from Brock to Chad, another interesting one from Michigan. Chad's response on that one was, that's a yummy one. In Brock writes to him, would you like me to contact other of them? Chad writes, well, they both look cute, but what's their deal question mark? The investigation of the lost and stalked leak out, and Mar Collins Rector's stalked the panic. He could start to see I was being more distant and I didn't want to be around him. I remember one time he was specifically grabbing me and pulled me actually up into his room into his closet and would open that gun safe. And said to me, do you not understand the power I have? Do you not understand the power I have as that gun's sitting right there? He had a gun collection. Number boys told me he would point the gun at them just like that. The Collins Rector would make it very clear. If you spoke about anything that happened in the house or anything about them, that first off they would destroy your career. Second off, they've had people eliminated 14, 15 years old. I did, definitely didn't want to be eliminated. They came home and explained what happened and I started crying and I said, it's really happened to you, didn't like, did it happen to you? And my son got on a, curled up on the, on the floor in a corner and started rocking. And saying, mommy, I was just a kid, I was just a kid. And they threatened me and I was just a kid and, I knew immediately that I had to bring someone and get someone involved. The police, the FBI, whoever knew I needed to expose these criminals. We brought all those videos, the audio tapes and gave it to our attorney in the room, which was given to the FBI as well. And it wasn't just in these files, the names of Mark Collins Rector Brock, Pierce Chad Chackley, in the file, handed to the FBI. You had Brian Singer's name and manifest. You had all these people, not just the three that lived in that estate. They were brought a well aware of all the other people that were involved as well. I mean, I had to actually write pages on yellow sheets of paper, pages of the whole story for the FBI. They wanted me to sit down and document it all. They were worried about being arrested. There wasn't FBI investigation. They had heard that. Somebody told them they were questioned about it. And when they learned that, they were in the wind. I was talking to Scott one day and then, you know, I couldn't reach him for a couple of days and then it was only a few days after that that I was there and there was nothing. There was literally nothing, nothing was gone. Even I think the fountain, if I don't remember correctly, the fountain, there was a fountain in the front yard. Even the fountain was gone. And they went to different places in Europe, hopefully to avoid being arrested. And somebody gave them up in Spain. Chad and Brock were released quickly. But Mark was in prison for a year and a half waiting to be extradited to the US. Eventually, he was sent back to the US and pled guilty to nine counts of child sexual abuse. Mark got out of jail relatively quickly, but was required to resist the sex offender. And surely after this release from prison, he was pressured to be allowed to travel to England for medical reasons. He did and he never came back. In 2007, he applied for a civil union in the UK with an 18-year-old boy. I know I saw that with the boys getting into a car with a boy or something like that. Obviously, you can tell by looking at the boy that Mark was dressing up. You know what I mean? It was just like blatantly obvious to me. And in 2011, he renounced his US citizenship and he's been untraceable ever since. The rest is sure that people invested money did not want to sue them. They wanted this to go away. I'm sure a small investor did, but Michael Huffington, they weren't going to sue him. The story was huge. And I submitted it, Maya had loved it. It was quickly fact-checked. And then, a couple days later, I got a call from his assistant to an assistant to an assistant. I said, we're not doing a story. We're going to pay you a 25% kill fee and we'll give you about half your expenses. That was good. It's Hollywood. People do what they want in Hollywood. And if you're a big enough star or a big enough director you're making enough money for these people, you can do whatever you want. Martin Weiss was charged with multiple counts of loot acts upon a child. He was charged with one count of a forceful act upon a child under 14. Two counts of continuous child sexual abuse. Three counts of sawdemy with a person under 16. You see Marty walking at the courthouse and he was in chains, he was in shuckles, and he was a lot grayer. Now I had to go up on a stand and tell people, along with Marty staring at me, what went down. He insisted that he wanted to go up there. It was a very... I mean, I was very proud of how he did. I don't need this pain in my heart by being mad at someone my entire life. But it's more a matter of telling the truth for me and saying, okay, you know, what you did was horrible. I don't know. I just felt like I need to move beyond it. And I don't need to feel that pain. And if he can accept it, then what he did was horrible and could move beyond it. You know, I could forgive. The maximum sentence for the charges that were filed was approximately 14 to 16 years. Generally speaking, it's unusual to get the maximum sentence. He pled to two counts of lute act with a child. He pled to two counts of sexual abuse. So it was clear it wasn't a one-time thing. And in exchange for pleading to two counts, which is much more severe, he was sentenced to five years of formal probation, 365 days in the county jail. He had to go to sexual abuse counseling. He had to stay away from Evan. He had to stay away from children. He has to register as a sex vendor for the rest of his life. He was arrested in December or late November, and then he got out June, six months. They almost never serve the full day-to-day sentence in county jail. I mean, six months is a joke. It's a joke for what happened. In any case, to ask a DA whether or not they think that they were completely successful in protecting the community from any future crime is impossible for us to answer. I can't truthfully say, or honestly say that I stopped any future crime. I wish I could. I wish I couldn't ever case. But I could only do what the law allows for us to do. Unfortunately, to get bad people off the street, yeah, we need a better. It could have been a lot better. It could have served much longer. Then in that way, the system did let me down. And they're letting other people down. He told me that there are other people that he was doing it with. But like I said, I think it's more important to be able to speak about it and just be free of that secret. Then it is to really get justice in the core system. There's a moment in the book where you, two degree, introduce Corey to one of his abusers. Did you take responsibility for that? I did, emotionally. Yeah. And you know what he asked me to take responsibility for that on the show? And I did. This is going to be a painful process. The dust is coming out. The cobwebs are being cleared. And people are going to know that we all play a part in this story. And it's what part are you going to take responsibility for? I just think in many cases it's a situation where somebody isn't thinking. The parent has become trusting where they shouldn't become trusting. Regardless of how good the situation looks, your job is to protect your child. But I still think it behooves the agent, the manager, the publicist, whoever it is to know where that line is and not cross it. Yes. Hello, Michael. Yes. Hi. This is Joey Coleman. Hello, Joey Coleman. Yeah, how are you? How are you? What, you were what? I was just thinking about you. How are you, were? I was, was reading an old Hawaii magazine and I was thinking about you. Yeah, well, it's been a while, huh? Yeah, it hasn't been a while. It hasn't lost track of you. Yeah. What about, have you heard from Bob lately? Bob. Bob Valard? Oh, Bob Valard. Last I heard he was in prison, Joey. Oh, is that right for what? Well, I assume some sort of a problem with children, but as they tried several times to get him and somehow or that they didn't, at last I heard he was. No, I don't know anything about that. I don't know how long it was or anything else. So no, I haven't heard from him in a long, long time. Oh, I'm forgotten about him, actually. Well, that's kind of, that's, that's kind of the reason why I got out of the business. I don't know if you ever remember, I slid his lip open with throwing something at him and I was on my way home never to come back. I've gone through a lot of therapy and I don't condone it, anything that he tried to do and I got, Lord knows what he's done to anybody else. I don't know. And I don't know, Joey. And, you know, I take these things through the grain as well. I'm not sure how horrible they really are. Yeah, I just, you know, I know I'll never know the whole story about it. And where I've had the opportunity to talk to someone about it, I've said, look, this is not a terrible thing unless you think it is. It's just something that happens to you in your life. Well, I don't think it's right for anybody to take advantage of anybody and I think that it's that whole thing is rotten, but I try to do to me. And I quite frankly, I didn't like, I didn't like what, you know, when you tried to have me sleep in your bed and touch me and everything. I hated that too. And, never something unwanted, I shouldn't have done it. And there's no way you can undo that. It certainly is something I shouldn't have done. I don't know what Joey is remembering, but I don't remember anything that would have caused him to feel that way. All I can say is that as a result of the situation he was in, not only with me, but with others, that that was how he perceived something. It certainly wasn't anything I intended, and that was going to be my response to it. I mean, are you attracted to young boys? Is that part of it? I particularly know. So much of what goes on in these situations happened almost by accident. You get the idea that someone out there was a child predator and they were praying on children and everything they did was to steer the child into this. And a lot of the ones that I at least was aware of just they just sort of fell into it. Did anyone ever try anything on you when you were a kid after? Well, I guess so. My whole approach to the whole thing was not sexual. I mean, it was, yeah, I suppose somebody did. I would be hard pressed to remember any