Jim Fetzer Interviews Long-time Newtown Resident and Parent Rebecca Carnes

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Yes! When you attend a funeral, it is sad to think that sooner or later those who love will do the same for you. And you may have thought it's tragic, not to mention other adjectives to think of all the weeping they will do, but don't you worry, no more ashes, no more cyclops, and the armed band may black cloth, will someday never more adore the sleeve, or the bomb that drops on you. Get your friends and neighbors to. There'll be nobody left behind to breathe, and we will all go together when we go. When a com working back that is to all, universe of the demons and inspiring achievements, yes we all will go together when we go, and we will all go together when we go. All the fuse will end in ten decencies below, no one will have the endurance to collect on his insurance. Boys of London will be loaded when they go. We will all cry together when we cry, we'll be fresh, right? The fatigue is like in real life. There will be no more misery when the world is our road to free. Yes, we all will cry together when we cry, we will all sing together when we beg for you. There'll be nobody present at the way. We will go quickly back to South-patient, in that brand-in situation, nearly three billion hundred years ago. We will all go together when we go. And let thirty-one owning off the bar, just sing out a TD when you see that ICDM and the bar. It will be a common spot. Welcome, as you are tonight. Indeed, I have a very special guest from a very special location. A third generation resident of Newtown, Connecticut, she's gone through a lengthy journey of exploration and discovery. Her name, Rebecca Karnsrow, Becca, welcome to the raw deal. Hi, thank you for having me, Jim. I'm just delighted. I'm just delighted. I was so ecstatic when you reached out to me into Wolfgang just a couple of days ago. I mean, I was... My epic awakening, so to speak, I reached a crux on Wednesday. I love that intro of Wyatt Earp and your intro saying from Tuesdays, tell them I'll be back and tell them I'll be back and tell them I'll be back and tell them I'll be back and tell them I'll be back. I'll be back and tell them I'll be back and tell them I'll be back. I'll be back and tell them I'll be back and tell them I'll be back. Well, you know, when Wolfgang Alming and I visited Newtown and spoke before the school board, the Newtown school board, in 2014, we visited the Newtown police department and they refused to meet with us, Rebecca. They refused to meet with us. The three highest officers were all in the building with us. We wanted to talk with them about the events of 14 December, 2012 needless to say, but they were disinclined. In fact, when Wolfgang went to the... The donation center in North of Western Connecticut, they brought out seven or eight Newtown cops to physically prevent him from entering the building, even though by law he was entitled to have access to the records because it's a matter of public donations. That's right. Well, what it is is they're disinclined to face the truth. You and Wolfgang represent the truth, and they of course don't want to face that. They don't want to face facts. They don't want to face the truth. And you know, when I was in the Newtown police department on Wednesday, I told them exactly what was on my mind. I should not be the one in handcuffs here. And I didn't say Sandy Hook per se, but I said everything on my... They knew what I was talking about. They knew what I was talking about. I said, you guys, you know, just cover up of lies. And I'm a Newtown resident. It's coming out. If I'm thinking this way, others are going to realize what's going on soon too in Newtown. Newtown residents. Hey, look at me. I'm a suburban mom here living in Newtown, Connecticut. I believed everything. It's, you know, and I buy it into it all and believed it all. And I just... It started like I said a couple months ago. This past summer, I kind of had a hint of suspicion. And we'll, you know, just been discovering all of the true facts just these past three months. So I have... I've done a lot of research obviously from reading your work, Mr. Fetzer and Wolfgangs and others. Very respected others, but I have a lot to learn still. But I do know a lot too. And I know a lot of the people involved, some very, you know, personally. So... Rebecca, do call me Jim. Now, you mentioned to me the first time you encountered the book. Nobody died at Sandy Hook. You were almost intimidated. You were hesitant to open it because of what it represented. Maybe you didn't want to know. That's right. Well, maybe there was... I mean, I don't tend to think I'm that type of person. I tend to... I think there are a lot of people that want to stick their head in the sand and not know. But as a former journalist, I really do want to dig and find out the truth. But I believe in narrative. I believe in narrative since this happened. And my first whip of suspicion actually came when Jeremy Richmond committed suicide allegedly at the Edmonton Hall just past March. And I wrote a blog post. I have a little blog. I wrote it about it. But the... It was inconsistent with a reporter, where the police and newspapers reported that his body was found in three separate places outside and inside the Edmonton Hall. And I said, wait a minute. What's going on here? And I dug a little deeper and that sent up my radar a little bit. And, you know, I did a follow-up post on Mr. Richmond. A few months later, and I got a call the very next day, a message from David Wheeler saying he wanted to talk to me right away. And, you know what? Then I didn't... I didn't suspect anything about a city who can tell David Wheeler called me and left me a message and I googled his name. And you know what came up? A lot of your research. You know what happened after stuff. And I said to myself, what... What is this crisis actor? And boy, I went down a big rabbit hole before I spoke to him on the phone. But, you know, I still... I still when I spoke to him on the phone, I did not... I had not bought it all. I was still in the frame of mind that, you know, Sanio happened. Children... It was all to everything that the mainstream had. I had read with Shrewd. So when I talked to him, I was still my frame of mind. Looking back on it, I believe that our... Over an hour conversation, David Wheeler had with me. He was really fishing to find out what I knew. What I knew. Because I intimated in my post that, you know, Jeremy Richmond, he was the only Sandy Hook parent who was investigating brain research on the origins of violence in the brain. He was the only one who was not part of this anti-gun agenda. And I mentioned that in my story that Jeremy Richmond had said we should stop always tweeting about sending prayers and thoughts whenever I'm mass... Another mass shooting happens. And I said, maybe Jeremy Richmond's right. Maybe it's not about... And I said, it's not about the guns. It's about mental health. And that's when David Wheeler called me. He wanted to know why I thought Jeremy Richmond wasn't anti-gun. What I knew, and he was fishing, looking back on that I completely believe he was fishing. Of course, David Wheeler is famous among Sandy Hook students for having played two roles that day, one, the grieving father. But the other, a SWAT member, walking up and down Dickinson Drive in gear, carrying an AR-15 upside down by the magazine. And as I frequently observed as a Marine Corps officer, I supervised 15 DIs and 300 recruits going through the training cycle in San Diego. The lowest ranking recruit would no better than to carry a weapon upside down by a magazine, which is a detachable part of the weapon intended for rapid reloading. So you're liable to drop your weapon, possibly damage it. It's incredibly stupid. Brewing in had no confidence whatsoever. The defenders, the apologies for the official accounts, suggested it was this other guy who wore a faint resemblance. But the other guy was, in fact, an experienced FBI agent who would never have carried the weapon upside down by the magazine, proved positive. It was not him. It was indeed David Wheeler. In all the facial features correspond. I mean, it's, it's coming to watch him in the footage from Dickinson Drive on that day. Right. Right. And, you know, I, I, I can tell right away from the photo, it does indeed look so much like him. And I, I was not aware. I don't have any background in his, like, guns. So I was not aware of that discrepancy and how he would, how proper way to hold a gun like that is. But you informed me of that recently and I, and it's so apparent that anyone who knows anything or has been in the military around guns like that would know that only someone who knows nothing about how to handle this gun would do that. So there you go. And you know that other, that other video of the, of the Parker father and smiley. Probably, probably Parker, adoring the, the all the attention raised before he's supposed to go on and cry. And that was really one of the smoking guns for me. What kind of a grieving allegedly grieving father who just had their child died that day or the day before it goes and is smiling and smirking and print and glowing in front of the spotlight before his big show before his big acting debut. So just a big smoking gun for me. Just a footnote about David Wheeler, his wife, Francine, and they both have acting credits. You can find them online for their acting credits. She even did the voiceover of a character in animated pornographic film, believe it or not. But more significantly, Francine Wheeler was a personal assistant to Marine White, who is a leading finance director for the Democratic National Committee and her time raised more money than anyone else. That tells you the roots of what was going on here. This was a deep state Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Eric Holder, Donald Maloy, Connecticut State Police, Newtown School Board, or a whole bunch of miscreants involved here. I've even thought speculated at some points they might have have the following rationale that if we can't take guns away from people, something terrible is going to happen. Yeah, maybe we should show people what might happen if we don't take the guns away. It was the first of these many false flags, certainly the biggest. And I think probably the most flawed because they were inexperienced in how to refine their techniques. Yeah, well, and now that again, I didn't even know what a false flag was until a month or two ago, but if you look at the history now of false flag events, they're done to ignite a feeling and emotion in the nation that aligns with their agenda. If you look at Pearl Harbor, they wanted us in the war, 9-11, another war. And Sandy Hook is a war on our guns. It is a war against our Second Amendment right to bear arms. And this is how they decided to wage it with a fake phony event in the most heinous, awful way that involved the death of very young children. So in comparison to other mass shootings, in terms of numbers, this is probably less compared to other mass shootings. But of course, these are supposedly involved very young children which really plays on the hard strings of people. And this reverberated across not even just the nation, but the world. So it was very powerful false flag. Yeah, you're of course spot on that it was going to try very clever to have maximal emotional impact. And of course, you're making those observations not only as a former journalist, but as a former teacher and as a mother of children who were in schools in Newtown at the time of the event. Oh, that's right. That's right. My children were second graders at the time. Luckily, I sent them to a magnet school out of district. You know, thank God because I hear some money. Other horrible things about Sandy Hook. It's speculation, but about some other horrible things that might have gone there in real, you know, in reality. And I'm just so glad that. But as a parent in this community, and yeah, the reverberation, the panic, the horror, the just we're here at ground zero where it happens. Like it could have been your kid. I mean, it was, it was awful. It was awful in this town, you know, is still still really from it. And it's not even real thing, but it's like they think it is. So there's still really in front of it. You know, it's still a high, high trigger emotion in this town. And you know, people don't talk about it that much. It's very hushed. If you mention it, it's in a whisper. And you don't say, you say 12, 14, all the dignitaries or whatever officials in town are telling us it's always 12, 15. It's very. Very. Very intercepted. And I also looking back at the suspicion of the antiseptic because of their conscience. They're consciousness of guilt. They don't want to remind themselves of what they have perpetrated because it was a well, it was a contrived act actually of female exercise presented as mass murder. It was an act of terrorism, full terrorism, but it was an act of terrorism, which is to conduct an event, typically involving violence to instill fear into a target audience so that you can manipulate them to promote your political agenda. So I believe they can sell them with social psychologists, maybe psychiatrists, other experts on emotion and trauma to guarantee that maximum impact, the idea of 20 first graders, you know, innocent children being slaughtered by this kid with an ARF team. That's right. And it's such a high impact emotion and tragedy and event that I think it's harder to question the narrative. It's harder to questions and look at a parent's face and say, I don't think this really happened, you know. And they know that they know that they know it's harder, you know, you talk about 9-11 those rural adults that perish, you know, but to challenge the narrative of a parent who lost a child, that's almost that is unheard of. You have to go to a place in your mind and body and be so awake and so aware and so informed and digging so far beneath what you were fed by the mainstream media, it is almost inconceivable, especially in this town. I only know of about a handful of people in Newtown that really are aware of what's really going on that are outside the loop. At that outside the loop of Newtown, I only know probably I've talked to two other people that are realize this and besides those two other people, Newtowners, parents in Newtown that realize this, they say one gentleman estimated less than 20 people in Newtown outside of the loop realize what's going on. Isn't that astounding? Yeah. It seems to me a deliberate resistance to know. I mean, it's a willing disbelief, you know, not it's not taking seriously a massive available evidence, which of course people like this fellow who sued me, Leonard Posner has taken responsibility for removing 1,555 videos. And I guarantee you the vast majority were about Sandy Hook and through his so-called honor network, grossly misnamed over. Well, he's mostly taking down tens of thousands of content items from the internet. I mean, the censorship, this guy is like the tip of the spear. But it was a case from backer that for quite a few years now, you could go online and you'd put in a topic like Sandy Hook or the Boston bombing or Parkland or whatever. And you'd find a whole host of citizen journalists, video studies reports about their explanation of what they think is really going on. Now it's like it's a desert on YouTube of virtual. You know, that's right because Sandy Hook event is really an assault full pledge to saw on our first amendment right to because we all know that this whole attack on free speech and this hate speech agenda. But you know, it was really pushed hard after Sandy Hook. You really, you would be sued as you know, of course, if you question the narrative. I mean, think about what happened with the JFK, all the journalists that dug into the JFK, were they sued and threatened with lawsuits? No, there was tons of books written. So why can't we suddenly see that citizen journalists can't question and research into the Sandy Hook tragedy without being sued and have their livelihood taken away from them and having them demonized? You're so vilified for being a Sandy Hook scabby. My lawyer said your treated is, oh, you were sent a bank robber. I mean, for crying out loud, it's incredible that people feel so threatened by what they don't know. That's because you are questioning the most visceral component of a human being, which is a parent protecting their child, the love of a parent for their child. That is what you are questioning and they knew that would be the most dangerous thing for an independent minded person to do. It really is. And it really is. I mean, it is everyone, when I, Jim, when I first had my suspicions, I downloaded your book as a PDF online because I couldn't buy it as you know with band. And I started to read it and I felt guilty and ashamed to be reading this. And I am an independent former journalist that it has a skeptical question in mind, my whole life. And I felt guilty and ashamed to even start to read your book. And that is the kind of pressure outside pressure that everyone in this town especially is very concentrated in this town, that pressure to not question, but even the state, in the country, and even in the world to not question this. That's very perceptive. By the way, I recalled its united way of I think northeastern Connecticut, that's right there in Newtown where Wolfgang just went to look at the records of these public donations where we've estimated that between 27 and 130 million dollars has been donated in the false belief that these parents lost children. In a side pointed out many times you can take the 20 children and six adults and if it were divided evenly, that's between one and five million bucks for playing the role of a grieving parent or relative when in fact it was a team in drill. And no one was harmed. In fact, one of our contributors, Paul Preston, who himself has a radio show agenda 21 is a former school administrator and he supervises active shooter drills. He was so troubled by what he saw in broadcast from Newtown that day that he reached out to his contacts in the Obama Department of Education. All of whom confirmed to him it had been a drill that no students had been harmed and it was done to promote gun control. That's coming from the Obama Department of Education, Rebecca. Absolutely. Well, and consider this, Jim, every group that has spun off in this tragedy in Newtown, like Sandy Hook Promise and the network, there's something violence network, they're all anti, they're really anti-gun groups and they are getting so much money given to them. Funny into Newtown, which has Newtown has really become a ground zero in this assault on our gun rights. This gun issue debate, gun control debate because we have the NSS app who is a few miles from Sandy Hook Elementary School. I don't think a lot of people realize this is the NSS app, which is the NRA, it's the version, the NRA version of industry gun, the gun industry version of the NRA. Am I saying that right? It's a few miles from Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. Connecticut has a very strong history of gun manufacturing and it's, the Sandy Hook in Newtown literally has become, I feel, a lot of people have been harmed. I feel like ground zero in this assault on our second amendment. But you're absolutely correct that it's a twin assault on the second and the first because if they don't suppress our right to speak out, criticize and explain what our research has revealed, they can't make that way with a second because people know it's all a sham. They're being manipulated by fake staged events by false flags as you say you became aware of the concept relatively recently. But throughout history, we have had them repeatedly and of course the phrase originates from pirate days when the pirates would put up the flag of a friendly ship to get close enough to the vessel they wanted to attack and then just before doing so they run down the flag, the false flag and run up the skull and bones. Yeah, you know, and it's so digging through all of the research so far that I've dug through that you've done in Wilking and so many people that were credited in your book and so forth and so many independent blogs and sites that are out there, you know, it's still it's surprising to me that it's almost like the little things that set you off the most, the little details, right? Even the fact that here I am this this person, this new town resident who started a blog only a year ago and six months into my blog even I just put up this post by Jamie Richmond and David Wheeler calls me to talk to me for over an hour. Why? Who am I? What is he care what I think? Why would he call me for an hour over an hour? Those little things, you know, um, um, Robert Parker smiling in the video, the little details. Doesn't it's it's so much is the little things that don't make sense and don't add up and then one set triggers your mind, wait a minute, I'm going to question this you go down in the digger you deep. Uh, the deeper you did like what your work with and Wolfgang's work with with finding that receipts were being for food were being delivered to Chalk Hill and Monroe School and that Chalk Hill Elementary was already on the the department the board of ed's list of schools and new town and all this stuff. So it's cascading forward. It's it's it's unbelievable. I think the public obviously because the media is controlled by seven companies in this country. They are spoon fed only what those companies that have an agenda that are beholden to someone above them want them to hear want the public to hear and most people are so overworked. They're so distracted by nonsense that they only can focus on the news for what couple minutes a day a lot of them or they're on social media, you know, which is a waste but um and they only digest these spoon fed propaganda narrative facts that the mainstream media wants them to believe and it is so hard for people like like you and Wolfgang especially to break through that membrane break through that that such a hard memory. That people that to reach people you know even a even a fairly skeptical minded open minded person might like myself. San Diego happened seven years ago and I'm just real life questioning you know what we questioned it a few months ago started figuring things out. We are up against a very difficult war here. Just to reflect the role of the mainstream media in relation to my court case. They talk about the book having been authored by me and back might pala check to conceal the fact that it's an edited book with 13 contributors including six PhD professors. Because once you learn there are 13 contributors including six PhDs that we established a school have been closed by 2008 that there were no students there that it was a two day female exercise presented as mass murder where we even have the manual in the book as a panic say they have to suppress all of that because otherwise it doesn't make any sense at all. Even the Yale Daily News misreported the title to make it that nobody really died in Sandy I mean that's how incompetent the student journalist reporter even though I gave her a 15 minute interview I spelled it all out explaining the points I just made. She never the last one had her repeated all the falsehoods that were appearing elsewhere around the world. Right right well and that's the thing is she was probably told what to do and probably told what to take out and told how to unpack into the story. I really feel like so many people who maybe are reachable are under pressure they're under pressure to conform to what their bosses tell them they don't want to lose their job. Even me coming out and questioning Sandy hug right what does what does that mean okay my family won't talk to me anymore my friends won't talk to me anymore it's hard for me to get employed right I mean after the I account my account with the network of the employer that I did a job and I just abruptly canceled it people who question the narrative. They're rejected by society ostracized by society they're vilified like you said yeah Rebecca you gotta tell us about this beta beta thing because it seems to me that's where you as it were came into your own it by taking a political stand in a public arena. That's right that you know that um video of working counter was particularly important because he came he was a presidential candidate at the time came to new town he came to new town he built it as a town hall meeting to speak to all the voices here all the voices of new town he said and it was held at the community center which is a public building that was paid for by $15 million donated by GEVB. Because of this annual tragedy and guess what it wasn't an open town hall meeting only less than a hundred people selected people were invited it was not open to the public and among those less than 100 people invited to this meeting with they were all wrong they had planted people with approved questions. Now I was there with my little sign saying go home beta you know because this was an obvious at that time I did not question the city of narrative I was not in that state of awake mind yet and I just thought look at this guy he's trying to exploit the tragedy exploit the horror of these children getting killed just for a quick money grab into a piece all the anti gun groups and you know beta famously said you heck you out come into your house and take your 8.47 right he's a big gun grabber. So I went I got in there and I'm sitting there listening and Rebecca just just just you want call on me just to make it the point you weren't on the list of invite ease I dare say I was not no I I had my little poster sign outside the community center go home beta and I I said well maybe I put my poster and I said maybe I'll go inside when he comes in so I can say you know why are you here this isn't fair it wasn't really open to the whole community. And so I went into the community center and the woman in front said you're all set you're registered miss right and I just went with it I was like oh yeah I'm all set. So I went into the meeting I got a snuck in you know but but he wouldn't they no one would call on me on my question I got you know I was I was I was you weren't one of the plan you weren't one of the plants Rebecca that's right. Executely when they weren't calling my I figured out that they had this. I figured out that they had planted people with approved questions and then a nice gentleman the only minority in the room who they brought up front who came up from New Haven he said Mr. Bato how would how would you address urban violence and Bato wrote started to give some bullshit answer and that's what I couldn't take it anymore I stood up and I said you're trying to take guns out of good people's hands and you know that's not the issue Bato it's about mental health and it's about and I said I said what is it the Democrats has been a lot of people. The Democrats had been in charge of cities and urban communities for decades the Democrats have failed and they certainly have failed and I said that's because they don't care about you sir and I pointed to that gentleman from New Haven otherwise I said that's why he's in Sandy hook that's why he's not new Haven or bridge for right talking to you about urban violence because Sandy hook he can exploit the so called tragedy and a piece the anti gun growth and get a bunch of money from his campaign. He doesn't care about you sir I said that gentleman and remember Jim I was in the frame of mind at this point this was three months ago ready for Halloween three months ago this was the day before Halloween night and I still at that point I still believe in the city hook event I still did yeah. Rebecca you were you were on fire I've seen that the video that interview which went viral at the time I mean I'm telling you you are wonderful you are a champion. Well you know I wish I kept my cool more but people criticize me for that but I said in my defense look what he was doing he was there taking advantage of this community and you're criticizing me for getting the little emotion or angry you know. I just want to say to that is not like me I've never even been to a protest or rally before I've never made a poster board sign or does anything like that before it was kind of like I don't know what overcame me but that was that was my first bit of political protesting. But it was marvelous you were just splendid you were just terrific and you you've indicated to me that a lot of people responded to what you did and began confiding in you things they hadn't told other people. Yeah I have to say I had brought if you add up an aggregate all the responses because Ben Shapiro did a post about what happened everything hundreds of thousands of people commented on that encounter with baydo aggregate across the country in many a lot of people reached out to me and they thought Jim that I knew things that I didn't know I did not know people were coming at me from all directions saying. Oh well you know you know um Sandy Hook was a FEMA drill and you know you know you know what else they say all kinds of stuff that just blew my mind you know oh they said and you know about it you and the agenda you you and the 30 and I'm like what what you and agenda 23 I was clueless clueless and you know that was only three months ago so you know talk about a great awakening I've got. You're conscious this has expanded Rebecca. Yeah I think my brain's a little part but for the good because you know what it's good because I would rather live and know the truth even though it's difficult even though I have been rejected by my family and friends and it's hard to find work now I'd rather live that way you know the truth then live by like some dimly aware controlled person I just accept whatever news is stupid. I don't want that life as difficult as as being an independent minded person who who supports and fights for the truth as difficult as that society has made it to be that person I would rather be I would rather be the person I am now than the person three months ago by far. Rebecca I'm 100% convinced our audience would love to hear your sojourn from what they call 1214 why don't you start there and move forward chronologically to where you are today. From you mean from actual December 14 yeah. Yeah well I tell you you know it was a hard decision to even bring my two children who are now 15 year olds I have twins so they're 15 years old now and like I said they were in second grade at the time of the standing of tragedy now they're in ninth grade in new time high school and I graduated from new time high school too and but it was a hard decision to bring them back from that magnet school into Holly school which is just up the road it on shirt or shirt. So it's a very special road from Sandy Hook Elementary and it because you know you think while is new town safe is there going to be another copycat because everyone something like this happens and everyone's like oh there's going to be a copycat terrorist attack right it's going to happen again in another school right. So I did bring them back I brought them to Holly school and I brought them back in the third grade and this community really real from the event I mean we every time you know they talk about post traumatic stress disorder with police officers but it was really in the community too every time I heard a siren go up in town or I saw a news media truck in town I would immediately think what the hell happened now what the hell happened now you know. And it's been hard and I have to say into new town is a bizarre old town I don't know you know too much about the history before the sandy hook event in new town but boy there's there must be something in the water here because i'm when I grew up there was the big event the horrible heli crafts murder where the airplane pilot killed his wife and fed her through the woodshipper I don't have you ever heard of the. That's new time that happened in new town the woodshipper Jim have you ever seen the movie far go yes of course where he gets woodshipped yeah yeah they based that that was inspired that scene on the famous yeah but cross my mind you were saying it yeah I love far go brilliant the coen brothers are so good i that's right well the coen brothers realize that new time is so wack they actually used to an event for new town in their movie so. We had the famous woodshipper murder that was when I was a kid and then later at fairfield Hills hospital which is an old psychiatric hospital right open in new town in the 1930s and. In China silent right well the town decided to open up to let the movie sleepers be filmed here with Robert De Niro which was a famous movie well not famous movie but a big movie that was filmed at fairfield Hills in new town and then they opened it up to an MTV show. And then we knew town started getting swamped by urban explorers and ghost hunters who would break in at night to fairfield Hills in new town go into the underground tunnels shoot video that was on youtube and new town for probably 10-15 years was was trying to handle all these fairfield Hills ghost hunters and urban explorers coming into our town and trying to film haunted shows here and all this kind of stuff. And then after that that's when the San Diego tragedy happened maybe about five 10 years later after that but that's just to give you some some of inclination up to the history of new town and how strange events seem to happen here as all I can say on that gym strange macabre macabre events seem to happen in new time for some reason I don't know what it is it seems to see some kind of nexus of. I'm a cop this to quick questions Rebecca was it community unaware that San Diego Calumentary on Dickinson Drive had actually been closed in to that by 2008. No but I spoke to a gentleman in town about the event recently and he said you know he's about my age and he has kids too and he said he goes you know before the San Diego shooting happened he said I don't remember even here about a San Diego Calumentary school and I'm like yeah me like me either kind of like what you know like he said that to me and he how he lives in town. Yeah I do but when you're presented with something horrific like this and the tragedy the commotion that confusion you're just like what in his workshop what are you don't you don't question anything you don't you almost yeah you almost don't you know one reporter on the scene thereafter actually was having local residents say they thought it was very strange and he kids were there because the school had long since been abandoned and all that got so much. I don't know it was Lieutenant Paul Vance coming out threatening to prosecute anyone who said anything at a variance with the official narrative or if they got national security letters whatever the community suddenly went silent when talk about the obvious leaving people to say well gee and all it if it had been abandoned everyone would know well I think the people who should have known didn't know and they started talking about it initially but then when they found they were possibly going to be prosecuted and who knows what they decided discretion was a better part of valor. I think you're right and I think what I've noticed in town you asked me since 1214 how the town has been looking back I I really feel like there's a reiteration of the lie a constant reiteration like to give you an example I was at a barbecue last summer and talking to a gentleman and he said we're eating our burgers my sister standing next to me he said I'm not going to eat that. Oh and he said you know Sandy Hogan he said something like my brother in law's wife was one of the teachers down the hall and oh and she was so upset and and my sister started crying she's right next to me not like horrified and guess where he worked he was a he's a fireman at the San E hook elementary school at the San E hook fire to fire. It's just a third of the mile up the road. Yeah well that there at the bottom of the hill from San E hook. Yeah I've been there of course I've been there and I went there we wanted to visit with a fire chief who rushed down with his daughter to the school because her EMT trained and they were not allowed admission. Right and I have to look into this further Jim but I have I really think pretty much all of the San E hook fire department is probably involved in this because Bill Hall said is the fire chief there he is married to Debbie a roll yet Hall said who is the new town town clerk the first person to call 911 that morning from San E hook elementary school is the San E hook elementary secretary her name is Barbara Hall said. I have to do more research on this but I believe she's related you've got the town clerk who's married to the fire chief at San E hook fire chief she's in charge of all the records she's the one who spearheaded and and this F.O.I.A. suppression at the Connecticut legislature to get the desert to pick hits with hell didn't that law change she spearheaded that and I really think there's a different way to do that. I think there's definitely a different way to do that. I think that's the biggest barrier when I was trying to accept the fact that it was a lie. The biggest barrier for me Jim is the amount and the amount of people that would be involved in the logistical implications of that and how many people must be lying or involved or threatened or what or bribed or whatever is going on the level is that is that that breaks my mind. I really to conceive of all that is hard to do it's hard to do but it's all true. I know because when you look at things like 9-11 and you know pro-harve all these fat false flags eventually you can and you know there's an agenda because if you don't know there's an agenda then the why is hard to answer. So it's very hard for people to accept this because they don't know the why they don't know there's an agenda that's the trouble that's the truth. Of course FDR I mean we have broken the Japanese code we knew they were going to attack Pearl Harbor but FDR wanted to get us into World War II and 9-11 wasn't Israeli. When Israel they wanted an excuse to draw America into taking out the modern Arab states that serve as counterbalance Israel's domination of the entire region where Israel was willing to fight to the very last drop of American blood. I mean it's just stunning what goes on here politically. I mean if I have a complaint about Trump it's that he hasn't signed this foreign policy that appears to me to be dictated by Bibi Netanyahu but you know Rebecca I've got to ask this a lot of us suspect that Sandy Hook is like a synthetic community and that many of the parents and so forth were brought in and advanced to be in place for this event which therefore took years in the planning. Yeah I think it pretty much I from the land records that I looked at recently and you know that was another smoking gun for me Jim is I've started to research online the land records and I'd like to go into the town clerk and actually get the physical documents and photocopy them but you see a lot of the top officials in the new town like Pat Lozra not so not just the family's mortgages it says release mortgage mortgage paid off on so many of the family documents which professor you and I think you win. I think you win a document in research but it goes it goes back it's very fishy it goes back I think it starts and about I'm thinking for my research they started planning that's around 2005 you can kind of see strains of it and then like with Pat Lozra's mortgage it says release mortgage I think it was six months after the event and it just says United States as the grantor of the release mortgage. See that's remarkable because surely that can only be used by the government right so that's why there a lot of the top official had released mortgage and released mortgage and that's suspicious enough because it was all six months to a year after the event but when it said United States I one of them I'm like wait what you know what you know so I have to research this more and I will get the official photocopies of these things but I just I just hope we can keep putting this up and I'm going to be able to do this. I'm going to be able to put this out there and that some people it'll be enough of a flicker for them to look at it more closely you know you know you mentioned the suicide of this guy Richmond his his the daughter he allegedly lost was actually on loan that wasn't even her what she wasn't really April Richmond she it's different and she's saying at the Super Bowl I know if you saw I sent you my top 10 stories for 2019 just happened to have enough time on the show on this very show to add two more stories and my last story was about the suicide of Richmond where we showed his daughter who had this unusual birthmark across the corner of her temple that looked like rough sandpaper singing at the Super Bowl is no question it's her and a real name is like Avi your bottom right right I mean you want proof you know the whole thing fraudulent how many proofs do you mean I know it's I think it's hard for people when they can make an excuse and use the excuse in their mind you know and I think this like oh well you know it does look like her but maybe not this I'm saying what people are going to say right but when you are like even if they look at the parker video well okay he was smiley but maybe he was nervous right they can say that in their mind but I think if you said I think with certain things like when when Wolfgang found those documents that showed Chauk Hill was part of the board event school list and the that no internet service and energy service was going to San Diego and that you know the food service trucks were going to Chauk Hill and if we can get the and you know we do have some of the land records but we can get photocopies of those release mortgages mortgages zeroed out paid for by top officials and families I'm hoping that you can't you can't deny right you can't deny well there's always so much it can't be denied and Rebecca bear in mind Demi's not going to be wildly enthusiastic about releasing those records anymore that she was that that's her typical I mean you know I don't think she has me I don't think unless you think what is she going to do to stop me from going into the the land records office and pulling those books out photocopying of my mean maybe the I wasn't I've never been arrested before this week as I'm like you know never been arrested for my life I mean it's a burden mom and I get arrested this week now I'm going to go down to the new time municipal centers soon you know but you know and I'm not even like it's it's I laugh about it but it's actually really scary because I think as we all know there's been some serious even life threatening and sometimes people that lose their lives when they challenge these kind of things you know. Rebecca in the second edition of nobody died at Sandy Hawk I've got a chapter by Tony need about the disappearing witnesses and there about 10 players in significant roles including investigators including law enforcement officials who died or disappeared the accidental death just there are nowhere to be found I mean it's serious they they have had a real problem covering it up they're putting their fingers in a way that's not going to be a real problem. And all the holes in the die can I think too many are springing but I got to tell you shown such courage and integrity and speaking out I mean I have just when I received your letter to me and Wolfgate and that was the 22nd I mean just a couple days ago I was a static I was a static and you know I mean I called you within what 30 minutes of receiving and I was actually doing another show when it came in when I discovered and I called you immediately. Oh that's right I mean even the other two people that I talked with a new town that that we've talked about that we know this Sandy Hawk was a fake they will not come forward like I am speaking because it's almost it's almost the same reason many Republicans have fears talking about their conservative values in this hyped up politically correct liberal progressive atmosphere now you get shamed or silenced or censored right. It's but it's amped up to a level where in new town in Sandy Hook that you will lose your family will reject you your neighbors will ostracize you you your clients if you have a small business or wherever your clients will dump you you will leave your job I mean these are repercussions real life repercussions that involve the the lives of and of their families that they have to face by standing up and questioning the narrative and you know it's very very difficult to do I mean if I literally announced this is why I reached out to you in Wolfgang I literally announced to the new town police department that I knew the truth on Wednesday now that is out there in new town they are telling and gossiping and telling people so what's going to happen when I go to the big wide grocery store or something what what are people going to do to me I don't even know Jim I don't know um in my scared for my life actually on some level I am I want to get it on the record here now that if something bad happens to me you know I and listen I'm not suicidal so if you read the story right let's get that point clear yeah I'm not suicidal right or or I was in some weird um you know it's not true I'm in a sound mind I'm a happy fulfilled satisfied person and I'm not suicidal so um but you really have to go after the truth with no fear if you fear then that's when they get you I think that's right you're right Shakespeare got it right a coward dies a thousand times a brave man only takes a death but once I mean I feel with Nathan Hale I regret I only have one life to give for my country yeah and that famous speech well where he said give me liberty or give me death yes yeah in Virginia I can't remember when you look so clearly about living a life with a truth rather than cowering in ignorance I mean I thought that was eloquent on your part Rebecca yeah absolutely but it's you know it's gonna cost people a lot but if we do it together that's really how what we have to do you know I talked to someone I said what what can we do and he actually said to me it's to the point where it's gonna be like it has to be like the American Revolution now where we take to the streets and actually physically revolt because they're taking guns away in Virginia already they want to disarm us because once they disarm us we are sitting ducks we cannot do a thing and Sandy Hook the event in Sandy Hook is integral integral to that to that agenda you're 100% spot on absolutely right Rebecca you got it right and that's the reason I wanted to have you on and move you up to tonight instead of a week from tonight because it's it's in your interest and the public interest to get your views out on the record that's why I I was it yes and yet to get me before I'm suiciding that's right that's right that's right before before you feel so ashamed about having been mistaken and thinking Sandy Hook wasn't real which is the ultimate act of political incorrectness oh yeah oh yeah are you were so vivid in describing the politically correct atmosphere you got it nailed Rebecca how sweet nail actually will be right back will be right back okay okay yeah ok ok Are youaltet or some? 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Did they say, what are you talking about? Do they say, I have no idea what you're talking about. Were they baffled? Yeah, I was saying things like how do you sleep in? I just need your conscience get to you. I said, how do you look at people in Newtown knowing that a lot of them like me know the truth and are starting to figure things out? How do you walk around and pretend you're this big hero? You know, and you're your protectors. I said, you're not protectors. You know, and saying this to the guys he's processing me. This was Officer Penja. You know, and he would be like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't really, I don't know what you're talking about. You know, and then I kept asking for Lieutenant Colgren because he was kind of the, he was put in charge of coordinating all of the activity that day and really there's nothing going on up here because boy did he screw that up as we know from the audience and from the analysis I think that Wolfgang did and others that he was sending the EMT officers away. You know, he just, he's not that afraid of a guy, first of all, but I when he came into the room to see me when I was getting processed and I said to him, I said, boy, you know, I live really, I'm going to find out how you, you know, how you got them. I think I mentioned in terms of like what he got in return for this, you know, because I I intimated that I'm going to find out what he got in return and I said, I know, I said, I want you to tell the first electman Dan Rosenthaw who I went to kindergarten with and Pat Loadder, the former first like I said, I want you to tell everyone that I got their number and I know the truth and it's going to come out and I'm going to, I said, the fact that you guys arrested me when you should be the ones in handcuffs, I said, I will make it my life's mission to illuminate what happened in this town in my hometown of Newtown. I will make it my life's mission and I even said to them at one point, Jim, I said, how do you like this title guys? I said, if I said, here's the title for my book, I'm going to write it now because you arrested me. If I said it blank, blank isn't real, what is real? You know, because Jim, I'm this whole time on being processed and stuff, I'm telling, I'm really giving it to him. I'm really giving it to him that I know the truth. I know what's sharp, what they are. I know, I know. And you know, when I said to officer Penny, I said, I don't know, I just tried to get to the human, the humanness inside of them and his conscience. I kept asking them questions. You know, how do you, how do you walk around with this on your heart and your soul? I said, don't you know, you're, I said to this to them, I said, you work in law enforcement, you must know that the truth always comes out. And I said, you have, and when Lieutenant Caldrian came in the room and Thaseman said, you have no authority here. I said, the truth has authority. You have no authority here. You know, and he says, I could almost see his fork tongue. He is not a nice man. He is not a nice man. And he's laughed at me. And you know what he said to me? He said, what medications are you on? Like that. I told him, listen, I'm not on any medications. And I rescinded that implication. You know, it's, it's what, it's what they all do to us, right? It's, oh, you must have the tin foil alien hat on, right? You must be a wacko, you know? And for him to say that to me, when he's the guilty one, when he should be sitting there with handcuffs on, not me, not a parent in Newtown, Connecticut, that we had children in the school system when they let this horror descend on my town and in our state and in our country. And they manipulate our emotions. They are manipulated. The lives of our livelihood of our children and and they're safety making us think that we have to pour all this extra tax money and live into school security and live in fear that our children are going to get killed when it's all a lie. You know, how dare they? How dare they? And I'm sitting there handcuffs. They should be in handcuffs. It's an abomination. It's an abomination to all that is true and real. And it's abomination when you look at what this country was founded on. This country was founded on freedom, liberty, truth, everything we fought against the British in our constitution to make this country as great as it is. And they made an abomination out of it, an abomination. Rebecca, you got more balls than almost any man I've ever known. I can't tell you how much I admire you're speaking out like this so clearly. No one can misunderstand what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the audacity of them. The audacity of them to smirk and laugh in my face when I know the truth and they're supposed to be law enforcement officers. Give me a break. It's like I live in opposite worlds. Do you feel like you're living in opposite worlds sometimes? Oh, sure. I mean, you know, really most Americans are living in a state of mass illusion. Yeah. I mean, they have they don't have a clue. They think Lee Oswald shot Javk. They think 19 Islamic terrorists under the control of a guy off into K the naphthenist and attack this and the law. They think Paul Wellstone's playing was an accident because of the weather. Yeah. I mean, it goes on and on. I mean, Adam Lonson doesn't even appear to be a real person for crying out loud. No, I mean, you talked about Paxi's. You look at Oswald who is the Paxi, right? Well, I mean, there's all different theories, but he was used. There might be different theories on how much he knew, but he was definitely a Paxi and used Adam Lonson weighed 85 pounds. And he went in there with all this this artillery and shot up these kids. Not only that, he was a savant. He was terminably shy. He when he was in school, teachers are on record with the FBI saying that teachers were more worried that he was going to get picked on because they asked him was he was he aggressive in school that he'd pick on kids? They said, no, we were worried about him. We were worried about him getting picked on because he was so quiet and socially awkward. And okay, yeah, you can make an argument that that was guy snapping everything, but there's too many things that show this kid was isolated. He was highly intelligent. It's in the FBI report that two FBI officers came to their house three or four years before Sandy Hook happened and they investigated him because apparently he broke into the FBI computer system to the second level that they came to his house, interviewed Adam Lanzar and told his mother, this is her mother talking to a neighbor that the neighbor told this story to an FBI agent. It's in the FBI report. They said, your son, he can have a job with us any day because you know, he did this. He broke into the key. The kid was a savant when it came to technology and computers. He weighed 85 pounds. He was autistic. Okay. He could not have pulled this off himself and there's another neighbor that takes a walk with their dogs a couple times a week who said they saw a gentleman in an orange vest with a gun on a hill behind Yogan on the street in the forest that abuts it and they said the woman said this is before the Sandy Hook shooting. She said that's funny. Maybe he's just a hunter and she ignored it. Then the Sandy Hook shooting happened. She went on another walk with her dog. She found a strange trail. She said that looked like it was leaf blown the way. She followed the trail with her husband to an encampment where there was this camp site with all this built-up stuff. It was a band-in. Okay. And then and that's where the guy was nearby where they saw him the other day. Okay. There was another shooter involved. I believe that Lanza was picked as a patsy for this similar to how Oswald it was. I mean, this is speculation. I plan to research this more. I've only been, believe me, I've only been awake about this for three months, but I read the FBI report. I'm doing my own research. I have some speculation and theories now and I'm going to research some more, especially those land records where the where the houses were paid off. I've been forced to conclude that he was actually a work of fiction, according to the version I get. He weighed about 120, but he was supposed to be logging over 30 pounds of gear and firing with a precision that no expert could have accomplished. In fact, the ATF guy assigned to do research on Adam and his mother because he was alleged to have used her weapons. No evidence that either of them had ever been to any shooting range or had any experience with target practice. The whole thing appears to be a fantasy just an enormous scam. Well, that is that is true too. He could have, you know, I don't know if I told you, Jim, I was at the Newtown Syrian in his book library about a month ago doing some work and I happened to walk by this display case that had all of the year books, the Newtown High School year books in it. So I opened them up and I'm researching, trying to find Adam Lanza and where his photo is and he wasn't in there in the ninth grade year before. I think I sent you that document and he wasn't you know how they have the camera shy students for the missing students. He wasn't listed there and I could not find that tech club photo that was so famous couldn't find it. I'm sure it was thought it was Photoshop made up for the occasion because once they get it out, you know, they don't think anyone's really going to bother to do real research. I mean, you were engaged in Sandiok research right there already. Right. Let's go back to 1214 as they call it. And when did you first hear that something had happened? I mean, you got your two kids in school, right? Second grade at the time. Yeah, I was driving on a close to Churchill road and I just turned, I heard it on the radio and I just froze and couldn't believe my ears when the reporter coming in. I called my mother on the phone in a panic. I immediately pulled into Duncan Donets in Newtown, which is in the little complex there next to Big White Gershie store. I went into Duncan knows on purpose because they I knew they had a television and they since taken it out. I don't know why, but they had a television there and they always played CNN. So I went to Duncan know it's all the news is breaking. I'm on the phone with my mother. I'm crying. I said mom, you know, there's been a shooting. She said, I know I'm here. I'm just like said mom, there's I think there's death. I think some kids, I think I said I think I said wait, and I was like mom, I think there's there's actually been kids that have been killed. And she said no, she said that's not true. She tried to come down to that. I don't think that's true. I went into Duncan Donets. I looked there with people congregated in Newtown Duncan Donets around the main big screen and CNN TV. They had CNN on reporting the deaths on top. And I said mom, it's true. Look at CNN. I said the reports are coming in and there's been children killed. People were standing near me all around the townspeople. Everyone that was in that complex had gone into Duncan Donets. We were beyond comprehension just just crying in shock. The horror it was visceral. You could you could feel the visceral horror and shock and disbelief in that room and panic and panic because a lot of us, this is our community. It's like we're in Duncan Donets in Newtown and this is happening what? Let's sit a mile away down the road down church on road road into the the last you know it's so surreal. It was so surreal and you know it it's kind of like that whole thing like people say oh where were you when JFK got shot right? Yeah and every one of us can remember when we were. Every one of us can remember you know well it's the same thing kind of in at least in Newtown where were you when the saying of thing had broke you know so boy that day was horrific. My husband when got our kids the the schools went in lockdown but we got them when we could and you just you just yeah you're just like like you just want to cling to them and not let them out of your sight for like it was like that for a month like no you're not going on a play date wait no you're not leaving the house I'm not letting go of you you know and there was a lot of fear about a copycat I think that that happens a lot when a tragedy hits a certain area of people think there's going to be a copycat terrorist attack or something so there was that fear in town and um you know there you couldn't get anywhere in town you couldn't get anywhere near Sandy Hook without walking yeah that's right massive traffic jams yeah roads blocked off yep I took my kids to St. Rose uh cabbage church to light a candle and leave some flowers I remember going to the town hall and there was a lady who had a baking truck handing out pies I mean you know you have to give it to these people you know they they love people reached out with full hearts and love an