Alex Jones Joe Rogan & Psychedelics - Jan Irvinand Matthew North

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Ladies and gentlemen, I'm here with Matthew North this morning and we're just going to do a live news update chat conversation sort of thing going on this morning. Let me make sure my YouTube channel is muted there and it is so we're not getting some creepy feedback. But Matthew North did the wonderful expose on Joe Rogan earlier this week and he and I have been talking a lot this week so I wanted to have him on just to do a short conversation and talk about other things going on such as Alex Jones and whatnot. So Matthew North welcome. Thanks for having me on I really appreciate you having me on and I was actually quite surprised that you picked up that work and I appreciated your appreciation for it and I just hope more people will begin to pick up on your information and all your great research that you put out there through logos media. So it's great to be here. Well, I appreciate that and you know it's been a long tough road it's interesting you know as they say you get the most flack when you're over the target I'm just doing a few setup things here and trying to figure out where stuff is so it is showing that we're live right now. I don't know if we have anybody in the chat yet. So it looks like we do have somebody in there. So anyway, good job on your video and looks like we do have somebody. So what made you decide to start in best of any way Joe Rogan now just point out you're like you're young. I'm getting closer and closer to 50 and what made you're in your early 20s best of any way. And we don't see too many people your age. Get closer to somebody saying there's a period of 20s. There we go and I just I just had it made sure that it was muted and then it apparently wasn't so. What made you get into this but usually people your age don't get into a detailed research and analysis like you did. Well, I had a series of events happen in my life. You know, I had some falling out with people and I began to look at this information. And I realized that this is the most important aspect of life and understanding these deceptions when you see how fake the world is around you. And then you begin to understand how it's being orchestrated. It's almost like you can't go back after that point as far as Rogan. He has been so influential. I'm in the Midwest, but I think all over the country, you see trends originate out of his podcast and he literally bombards people's subconscious and you're having a conversation, you know, with someone my age. And they'll just reference something off Joe Rogan's podcast or just repeat it word for word. And it's like you're literally drawing from the database that Rogan's giving you, you know, that 95% where your thought process takes place and you're subconscious. So, I mean, just him creating the culture and actively influencing everybody around me. It's just, it's such an important deception for me to highlight in my opinion. And then I fell into your work and started seeing all these MK Ultra connections and the whole history behind it and the direction it's moving in the future. So it definitely was a big deception. So I'm glad I'm able to jump on it right now and get this information out. What did you think about Alex Jones going on Joe Rogan's podcast last week or two weeks ago? Well, I expected it. It was, it was always my contention that it was the only authentic aspects of the beef were having you on. So your research is a person and you as a person. So that was authentic. And then also threatening on it, which Jones could have simply buried Rogan with on it because he was always there and he understands everything that's going on surrounding on. But he never mentioned it by name. So I was always always. And you pointed out that I mentioned on it when I was on a show. And so that was like a oops moment apparently. Well, it appeared to be because once you said on it by name, you know, he would always call it DMT Colts and Austin. So not very many people understand what he was talking about there. You obviously did. I picked up on it. And when you mentioned, you're like, we haven't even got into on it yet. So he moved on from it real quick. And I think it was like the last time you're on second to last or last time you're on. So he definitely didn't want to elaborate on the subject. So eventually I expected them to make up. Jones and Rogan seem to go through these cycles, whether it be for Jones's own credibility or for more traction on his platform. And so I think that's one of these cycles of, you know, being at odds with each other, being having this beef. And then they always make up and they're in their great buddies again. And Jones goes on and talks about how they've party together a lot. So maybe there's some compromising going on there. I don't know. But they've known each other for decades. So, but he always mentions that they party together. So maybe Rogan has some compromising information on Jones. Or they're just involved in the same networks. I think it's a little bit of both. And I wanted to do this live news update. So today is I got a text from AJ yesterday morning at 712 AM. And he said, and so AJ, I spoke to him. He called me the day after he was on Rogan show. And I spoke to him briefly. And he was pretty out of it. He was on meds. He had just had surgery on his biceps. And so he was pretty out of it. But yesterday at 712 AM, he writes, please come back on when I'm back in town next week. And so, you know, I wanted to talk about this with the audience because obviously I've had a lot of attacks for going on his show. People calling me, oh, you sold out. You're a shill because you went on his show. You know, here's the thing a lot of people don't get is, you know, he's got an audience of like one and a half million people plus or larger. Plus you syndicated on radio shows all over the place. And so I can keep the information on M. K. Ultra and kids doing drugs limited to the 60,200 people on my podcast. Or I can reach 100, 200,000 more people in an afternoon and try to help other young people out of it. And, you know, just start you get out of the DMT, I was get colds, the mushroom colds, all of this kind of stuff. And so it becomes a dilemma. And I don't doubt that there's a possibility that I was set up my live feed on the main channel was shut down. And it's going to be at least another. Oh, about six weeks before it's it's on again, if they turn it on. It was a trumped up premise now Joe Rogan is allowed to have a J on his podcast and his channel doesn't get shut down. But if I release my own interview with AJ, my live feed gets shut down for telling kids not to do drugs. And so and then you see AJ going on Joe Rogan shows shortly after and it raises some serious red flags. And of course, my work, you know, in the interview that AJ and I did was completely omitted from the conversation again. And we see this is the common theme, even with, you know, Jason Burmess and Lucrodowski and all these other people that have been doing analyses of this whole situation. None of them are talking about my work red flag all over the place. Yep. And they're, you know, and so they're trying to paint this, you know, and create a whole situation where I'm pushed out, but I was clearly used as a chess piece to warn them that they were. Actually going to really expose things and the day after Alex was on Joe Rogan show when he called me, he sort of gave me a warning that his producer was afraid to have me back on that they might get sued for name dropping. And, you know, so any basically kind of said, you know, hey, we need to have you back on, but we don't want to discuss, you know, we don't want you naming names, et cetera, even though he names names on his show all the time, right. So it was kind of, I felt like it was kind of a warning to me. And like they're, you know, and then the whole situation with him going on Rogan show it was just like wow five hours show they didn't bother to mention me in the whole situation once. So is there another agenda was the agenda to push me out and to give increase both of their platforms even further, you know, and Joe Rogan was under heat for the, oh, for the guy from Twitter, Jake, what's his name having, or yeah, Jack Dorsey and having him on. And, you know, we saw Rogan show blowing up and everybody realizing that Rogan was most likely on the take. And so, you know, we see Rogan show plummeting hundreds of thousands of people waking up at once. And then suddenly AJ is friends with Rogan again and going back on his shows. So to me, this whole thing looks like a big chess game. And, you know, I'm one of the ponds on the on the board that they're trying to use. And then my channel gets shut down my live feed anyway get shut down not the full channel. So, you know, it's when, when AJ sends me texts like this, please come back on when I'm back in town next week. And I wanted to bring this up to the audience because no doubt I'm going to be accused for selling out for using his platform to reach hundreds of thousands of people and trying to warn them about this agenda. And to me, if we save some lives and save some people from getting caught in the imp culture counterculture, be asked that they've been peddling for, you know, well, since the 50s, it's worth it. You know, and I get messages just about every day from people for helping them back, you know, helping them out of this new age CIA, S.L.N. Institute, Stanford Research Institute, drug cult, you know, or cults. And I've exposed that there's several dozens of cults that they've launched. So I wanted to get feedback from the audience this morning on what they think if I do go back on. And, you know, get your, you know, let's use since you've investigated this whole thing and the, the angles behind the scenes with the JRE show, et cetera, more than I have. I wanted to get your feedback as well, but, you know, I'd love to see what the audience has to say in the comments here. And, uh, freaking Freddy says, so does anyone think that Joe and Alex was a stage drama, or is it just me? And I think it was probably a stage drama. And that's what we're here to talk about this morning. So, you know, that's kind of what it's all about. So, you know, people post up your comments in the chat there. If you're, if you're listening, love to hear your feedback on this situation as well, but go ahead, Matt. Well, I would agree with that comment that for the most part, it was a stage drama. And regardless it ended in that fashion where both the benefit. You just started cutting out. You just started cutting out there. Let it catch back up. Not sure what's going on there. Go ahead. Okay. So as far as it's, it's, it's start loud. Regardless of how it started out, if Alex was legitimately upset at Rogan for some reason, it doesn't matter. It ended in a stage drama where it's a WWE show where both of them benefited in the end. And then I did not. And I'm accused of, you know, selling out because I went on a show. Yep. And then your live streaming abilities get taken away as well. And I honestly think Rogan has that much access and influence where he can remove shows. For example, with the Elon Musk securing secure or securing. I'm sorry for 20. I forget exactly how it went, but anyway, the manipulation of stock prices. People broke that down very well in YouTube videos. And every single one of those videos were then removed from YouTube. It seems like anybody who criticizes Rogan ends up getting censored. Except for Alex, you know, but it ultimately turned into a WWE show where everybody benefited except for young. So. Yeah, so I was the fall guy for the whole thing essentially. So Sanchez says, yeah, bro, go back on. And then William says, jump on the censorship, censorship wave while it's on the right side next week. And then Sanchez says, you being on a J show years ago is how I found your work. And then William says, I found you from your last appearance. So, you know, and this is just a handful of comments. And there's only 44 people listening because my other channel was 62 or 60,200 viewers. I can't broadcast to that channel for at least another month and a half who knows, you know, and there, you know, their charges are just that I violated community standards. They don't tell you how you violated them. Apparently going on and exposing MK Ultra. And, and you know, their promotion of drugs to kids and the destruction of the family is a violation of community standards. Kevin says, go back on. And then Freddie says, but your damage will be, or your credibility will be damaged. And then. You know, it's like. And, and Ahmed is speaking in a super cool out my, let's see, Avroves come in Europe. Sorry, I'm just trying to read server equation. My server creation is terrible these days. And he says, good morning and super coaxial. So anyway, let's see, go back on and get into on it and Aubrey Mark is. So I think that's the show that they're afraid is going to rock the boat, you know, and, you know, I think that's what they don't want. Well, regardless, I disagree with anybody who says that you going on Jones's show, it loses credibility loses your credibility. Cause I agree with you 100% that you should absolutely use that avenue if you can to even get some of this information out. And I also agree that you should go back on, but I don't think you should hold any punches. Maybe not mention on it. But really get deeply into the history of MK Ultra and reference it and put it in reference with what Rogan is doing now and with what this modern MK Ultra movements doing because understanding the history allows you to understand which direction. And this modern movements going in and the fact that they've been like you said, they've been doing this sense of 50. It's a continuation of these same mind control cultural shifting operations. So let's see. Milk latte says go for it, you know, no other platform with such amount of people will have you at the moment, use it wisely. Yeah, you know, back in the day I was even on coast to coast, I am before I started exposing all this stuff. And you're selling the agenda they promote you and as soon as you wake up and go, hey, wait a second. You know, it says Freddie says he's going to catch the replay still and then William says I still think AJ went rogue for a bit and was and was rained in very possibly. And yet again, they don't want to tell your name on agreed on Ahmed and let's see. I'm just reading their comments right now, but yeah, the whole thing is just it just it stinks. You know, no matter how I look at it, you know, it's very possible that my channels and everything could be totally shut down. And I would need, you know, way more support from the audience than I've been getting to be able to pull this off, you know, because you know, when they shut down my live feed and I can't reach 60,000 people, I can't, you know, it makes it a lot more difficult to pay the bills. You know, it's it's good to have all of you, you know, out there in the audience, support the show and everything, because, you know, if I go on there and try to expose more of this stuff and I'm shut down, then what am I going to do? Let's see. Dr Cameron and the sub projects with co-entel pro and mocking bird media has a lot of people confused and getting triggered and then that was Lee. C.J.M. says no one has credibility on YouTube anymore. It's only about getting info out and not who cares anymore. Might as well jump. Yeah, I don't know. Topic is to do AJ or not to do AJ. Yeah, pretty much and to talk to you about your show. And then Kevin says your credibility is bulletproof. Ahmed says I'm going to watch the replays going out and take care. Ciao, Viti Mosei. Ahmed, enjoy. So, wow. Anyway, you know, it's like it's a tough, it's a tough shoot. It's a tough situation to decide on because, you know, if, you know, I've spent a decade building my channel up to where it was and you know, when you're not promoting kittens and puppies and selling psychedelic drugs, you're not the top podcast anymore. They push you down pretty quickly. You know, and I started out back in the late 2000s is one of the biggest shows out there. And so it's, it's been interesting to watch them try to suppress my my research over the years and you know, we should just, you know, I should mention that I uploaded your show to my Bitschew channel exposing all of this stuff and I highly recommend people watch that I also uploaded it to both of my YouTube channels. Here's Matthew's channel here, Matthew North and you can, you'll want to watch this episode here and I recommend everybody download it. I've also put it on my channel. I corrected the audio from Matthew the other day and re uploaded it to my channel. You're welcome, brother and no problem on that. And so it's got 5,029 views on my channel. It's got not many on Bitschew, but it's got like 105 110 views on Bitschew. But people need to download it and re upload it all over the place. We need that to go viral so that people can see what the heck is going on there, you know, and you know, it's like people were attacking me. Well, how can you go on Alex Jones show and then have this guy on who's attacking Alex Jones and it's like, well, you know, Alex is a platform. And we're not saying that everything Alex puts out as invalid Alex puts out a lot of valid research that totally coincides with work that I've done. And then you see stunts like last week that makes you scratch your head and go, wait a second. You know, this might be on his show looks like a setup, you know, and then him going on on Joe Rogan show the whole thing is just. Fish is can be. Yeah, and I agree it. And also who knows what could happen if you did go on his show, maybe a little sensor you for good and use Alex Jones as an excuse, maybe that's what their game plan is. I don't really know these are sophisticated psychological warfare operations in my opinion, and Alex is as well. And I've done research on that and videos on that. And I think he's a mind where operation where one of the court concepts of mind. And I think the concept of mind war is weaponizing truth. So taking a lot of truthful information and using it as a weapon to also mix and disinformation and lead people in the wrong direction. And and Yon show gets censored on Alex. So having Yon on is an aspect of truth using him as the weapon. And I think that's a little bit of a way to get out there again, regardless that information still gets out. So I think I'm not sure if that's how you had your back again, but you're light, your feed keeps getting garbled up there. I don't know if you have something else running in the background. Okay, so having Yon on is truthful information and that information gets out there, regardless. So I think that's always a positive what they do with it. I don't know. But for example, Yon's interview with Jones gets censored off YouTube, but you know for exposing real truth, you know, not actual good information directing people in the right direction. But Rogan can sit up there on his podcast and take illegal substances like mushrooms on camera. And that's fine, you know, and then a kid sees that and they want to take mushrooms. They think it's just a normal thing to do. And they think it's not a massive experience that, you know, something to prepare for, you know, this that isn't something to take lightly like you just take it, you know, like like Rogan portrays. So why isn't his podcast censored. Yeah, you know, and he can sit there and, you know, rip bon loads and, you know, even back before it was legal, he was just sitting there smoking weed all the time, you know, you pointed out he may have been doing coke in the background, etc. So, and then I'm censored for telling people not to do drugs. You know, how, how does that work, you know, it's just ridiculous. I also wanted to mention that, and I'm probably going to play this while we're sitting here talking. My Terrence and Dennis McKinick exposed video that I put out yesterday. I think that might be a good one for us to broadcast today so people can see more of that. You down with me playing that while we're going here. All right, let's bring that up. I'm going to share screen here. Let's see share audio. Here we go. I'm going to bring this up here up here. I just shared that on the wrong monitor. So let me just fix that just a second. Bring this over here. Where'd it go now? I just had it. Good grief. All right. Here we go. I wonder myself. You mean am I the alien ambassador, whether I like it or not? Yeah. Well, often when asked this question, I said, you know, it beats on us to work. I mean, my brother is a PhD in three subjects and works in hard science. And I don't think it's brought him immense happiness, not that he's despondent. But I was always kind of a slider. You know, and certainly when I reached La Chirera in 1971, I had a price on my head by the FBI. I was running out of money. I was at the end of my road. La Chirera and they recruited me. And said, you know, with a mouth like yours, there's a place for you in our organization. And, you know, I've worked in deep background positions about which the best little less said the better. And then, you know, about 15 years ago, they shifted me into public relations. And I've been there to the present. I think ideas get me high. And I like the feeling of understanding. And I love diversity to the point of weirdness. I mean, I... There's more to it than that for you because, you know, being tuned in to ideas and turn on ideas is one thing for you to keep yourself sharing it is something else. And that's what we get. Well, one thing is, I'm really fast and I think of myself as a pretty savvy person. And not easily led into false dogma. Well, so that's enough of that. Now I want to address the concerns that we've been dealing with over the past two days. And from my perspective, we sort of designed this weekend with the notion of showcasing Rian's thought. And I think we've done that very well. To put what I'm going to say this morning in context, I just wanted briefly review the basis of her theory. It is quite simply that the absence of patriarchy does not imply matriarchy. The natural and most long running form of human organization is what Rian has named Partnerships Society. The partnership societies were the norm up until pick a number, 4,000 years ago, 3,000 years ago. In any case, eventually falling with the fall of Minoan Crete to my Sonia and invaders around a thousand BC. And that set us into the era of dominated cultures, which she believes and I agree with her is a temporary, I won't say, aberration, a temporary necessary adaptation. But one that we can now move beyond my Rian's approach is basically to say what happened that there was partnership society. And then she's very insistent that there was a confluence of factors which caused the shift from the partnership society to the dominated culture. I, being tasked more in the fanatical mode, prefer to think that there was one major cause and that it's adembrations can be explicated by the methods of archaeology, good logic and a little visionary imagining. And so I want to tell you the story of this morning, remember I said yesterday the best idea will win. And if you want to do that kind of total revisioning of the position of human beings in the world, I think you have to take at first a deconstructionist approach and take away everything that impedes the construction of the new point of view. And here we're just showing the connections to Rian Eiser and Intel Gregory Bates and one of the co-founders of the CIA, Macy Conferences, which are M.K. Ultra, etc. Of course, there's no CIA and M.K. Ultra connections there for Terrence McKenna, none at all. Humanists, Dr. John D., the spy master Julian Huxley, cybernetics, which of course is M.K. Ultra, Stanford Research Institute, Tabestock. Hi, I just wanted to know if you have heard about what we call the Newton's message. No. Okay, I want to tell you a little bit about it because very interesting it follows what we talked about. I love your idea of a collective consciousness. And I think the book describes Aboriginal tribe in Australia that have been living out the way in which you're seeking and collective. And what they come to include note is that they can along the appropriate because they have recognized that they can no longer even start on a planet. And the reason they come up with the Newton's messages is that they believe we are a Newton's life form on a planet that is destroying it to the extent that they can no longer continue their lineage. And this is an interesting content because it's the first culture I know that has collectively chosen not to breathe. And along with your conflict of raising our consciousness so that we understand the structure of each of ourselves, what about a parallel vision of reducing our populations and these people are consciously choosing not to procreate at the time? Yeah, it likes point out here. It's huge. It's just for everybody. For some time, when constantly that and the mushroom pointed this out to me, if every woman had only one child, the population of the planet would fall 50% in 40 years, 50% in 40 years without war, revolution, coercion, anything else. And now when you suggest this to people, they say, well, didn't they try that in China and it failed? Yes. But you have to think about a couple of things. First of all, a child born to a woman in Maui or Malibu or Manhattan. That child will use between 800 and 1000 times more resources in its lifetime than a child born to a woman in Bangladesh. Why do we preach birth control in Bangladesh? We should be preaching it on Maui, Manhattan, and Malibu because the women in those places are highly educated, socially responsible, global. People, people, and therefore are the population most likely to respond to this suggestion. If 15% of the women in the high tech industrial democracies were to limit their child bearing to one child within 10 years, certain pressure indicators on the planet would begin to move away from the red and into the black. So I think that we have got to deal with this question of population. There are clearly too many people and one woman, one child, you know, you don't have to be a rocket scientist or a psychedelic advocate to understand the impact of that. The population of the earth were cut in half. Everybody alive would be twice as wealthy. It's possible in 120 years that we could reduce the earth's population to a billion, very healthy, very comfortable, very well educated people. I think that's part of what the mushrooms said. And I think it may seem radical in some circles, but not here, perhaps. It also said something else, which I rarely mention, but since you brought it up, there are not only too many people. I've heard too many men and I would be very interested in seeing a set of social policies, tax incentives, medical policies, insurance policies put in place to limit male birth. It's very rare in terms of populations that you have a 50-50 ratio of male to female. And in fact, it's well known that male infants are less robust than female infants. The reason we have a 50-50 sexual ratio is because we artificially support males and withdraw resources from females. I suspect that in the high paleolithic, the ratio was closer to two to one. And my supposition in thinking about this is probably that the best ratio is about three to one. This is the way to feminize the human race. If you're serious, this is the way to advance women. If you're serious, then what you have is less men, women whose dedication to the reproductive activities is confined in time to the amount of time it takes to raise only one child. This would be tremendously solitary to our problems. I've never heard it advocated, even by the most radical lesbian feminists, yada yada, I've never heard anyone say male birth should be limited. But it obviously should, and through amniocentesis and this sort of thing, we can steer ourselves toward a population with the predominance of female. I want 75% of those children should also be female, and I don't consider myself a gung-ho feminist. I mean, I'm a feminist, but I don't read the literature or try to understand all the factions and theories. As a humanist, I advocate a reduction in male births. It just seems obvious that that's the way to go. If it doesn't seem obvious to you, then let's have a public debate about it, and at least make it part of the rhetoric of the culture that this is an option for people to think about. Was there a connection between Terence or me and the CIA? I can't speak of this. I can tell you that neither Terence nor I ever had anything to do with the CIA. I think they want to start a big central intelligence. Now you might say, well, I can crack a joke and say, yes, what we work for the CIA, we work for the cosmic intelligence agency. But then some of your audience might use basically a minute in it. So let me make it clear, he never worked for the CIA and neither did I. Do you know where this comes from? There's a specific topic that we're going to discuss as agents. Yes, I know where it comes from, and I will dissect that right now. He said in one talk something casually about, well, I was working deep cover for a while, and then they moved me into PR. Right. And who the they notice how is down there. Listen, never trying to confuse. But I can tell you who they are because this remarks when it's on her own that either was a paying attention. Or was taking them out of context or is just an idiot because the meaning of it is clear if you listen to the whole talk and he is talking about he worked for the mushrooms. Which he did understand terribly or not to be a probably a. Whether it was the mushrooms themselves, they were representing the intelligence race that was controlling, but he worked for the mushrooms. That was the the they that he worked for and he was deep cover. And that refers to the years when he was not in public when he was actually in the basement, growing mushrooms as furiously as he possibly could, distributing those that's a deep cover, right. Then he decided, well, this is not sustainable. This is a chart. I'm going to pause this. I'll be a second to discuss this. These are the things that Terrence promoted over the years through his many talks and lectures, native revivalism, which is the archaic revival. That was a term created by CIA co founder Gregory Bateson, which is found in his OSS memos, which I published in an article about five years ago. Alex obviously that's CIA M. Keeultra military intelligence. And the counter culture was the real bulk of the M. Keeultra program, not just the Manchurian candidate red herring Niosha, monism that's Bates and M. Keeultra SRI changing images of man also Gordon was and was behind that and launching the Niosha monic thing with Maria Sabina down in the middle of the talk of Mexico, a dominator culture we just saw that's rean Eisler McKinna and that comes out of the club of Rome and feminism, which is I've exposed the quotes from Gloria Steinem working for the CIA many times, but that's a big CIA front as well, of course, being promoted by eyes, Eisler, and this glassman, et cetera, 2012 was created by CIA agent and Yale professor Michael co and you can find that he was CIA right on the wiki pdf page. Stone Dape was a theory created by Terrence, but it really comes out of Tealhard Dishardens appears, Pierre Tealhard Dishardens work from the Piltdown hoax. And he was a Jesuit and from the Roman Catholic church and of course that's humanism he also worked with Julian Huxley on that and then humanism is again Eisler of course of McKinna's working on that but Julian Huxley was a big humanist which we saw a bit ago and the humanist manifesto transhumanism again that's a word even coined by Julian Huxley promoted by the CIA promoted by all of the eugenicists, et cetera, even the Dolly Lommas in on that today, Timothy Liri who admitted he was a CIA agent from I think what 62 onward, I think he was CIA long before then and then again we see Tealhard there, habit novelty theory that that was originally the Omega point theory promoted by Tealhard again Alfred North Whitehead and then Time Wave Zero which came out of Tealhard yet again eugenics John B.S. Haldene that's where Terrence gets the infamous quote that he twists a little bit, you know, the world isn't just stranger than you then you then you suppose it's stranger than you can suppose that's a that's a quote that he changed from John Haldene and then of course Aldis and Julian Huxley and Aldis and Julian Huxley the CIA at all the new age movement is of course right out of there and out of SRI changing images of man, the S.L.N. Institute, et cetera cybernetics which we've shown on screen baits in that's also the Macy conferences Ryan Eisler David Loy, Marsha McCluein, I.A. Richard's Norbert Weiner the Linda Sparney Association CIA at all so this is almost finished here I'll just finish playing that I just wanted to break that down on what this chart is showing because it shows how many projects that Terrence you know CIA and intelligence projects that see that Terrence McKinna was really promoting and the yellow errors are the ones that are specifically CIA while Dennis is sitting there saying that he had no ties to the CIA and now we're going to see him ridicule the whole idea about the S.L.N. connections and he wants to play down that Terrence was actually scholar and residents at the S.L.N. Institute and not just someone passing through so he spends a big lie there. This so he decided to go into public relations and he started talking about it a lot more and that's when he became you know the spokesman that he is but it was he was working for the mushrooms and for you to take this and and can screw it to mean that he was working for the CIA I mean you it's a really tortured. 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It used to be 50-50. It's because of the hormones and the food and everything else. It is changing things. That's correct. So anyway, did you have anything you wanted to add about that, Matthew? Well, first off, let me say that was a great video. And you guys, everybody should share that one. But also, look at the similarities between parents and Rogan. There's a lot of parallels there. So as you've exposed all the intel connections with parents and what his operation was, compare him to Rogan and look at the similarities between the two. Because it's almost like Rogan stepped into that position in a new modern way, but it's very similar. And also, anybody who has any questions about any of this stuff, who disagrees with you on this being an MK-Oltra operation, this counterculture, share them the brain, give them the link to the brain. You cannot deny it. The issue is, is they won't even take the time to go through. They'll look at it and see a bunch of connections, but they won't bother to see how it all connects and all the 11,000 citations in there, et cetera. Yeah, unfortunately, because that thing, it's all there. It's everything you need. It's all there. So still, I think you should share it. And hopefully, some people will look into it and wake up because that needs to happen. Yeah, and Mr. Cup folks says, we must share you on a Matt's work. Everyone, please share with as many people as possible. You know, and I'm going to say, you know, download that Terrence McKinna video as well and share it, repost it everywhere as well as my, or as well as my edit of Matthew's video with the corrected audio. And you know what, we've already been on for an hour. What happened to this being a short discussion? I don't know, man, but it's good though. So much for that, right? So there were other comments in here that I was just wanting to go through and see what else was good in here. I get aggravated that most are comprehending that with heavy mushrooms, DMT, et cetera, are doorways to communications with the demons. Yeah, you know, it's not, the drugs don't bring you to logos. That's the issue. You know, you might get some different perspectives on things under the influence. And you know, I get all these idiot comments all the time. You know, Irvin's never tried them before. I mean, it's totally ridiculous. You know, it's like I used to write books on this stuff. And then I woke up in the middle of it going, wait a second, this isn't good. You know, and I've exposed this on my show for years and it's ridiculous when people always go for the most idiotic attack that I've never tried them. And if you had tried DMT, you would never say this, right? And it's like when you understand logos and that logos is God not being high out of your mind and the world's, you know, the universe spinning inside out or whatever from DMT and all of this stuff, you know, I have done that stuff. I have experienced that. And that's exactly what I'm warning people away from. It's the left hand path. It's not the right hand path. It's not true spirituality. It's not coming to logos or truth. And that's really what people need to understand, you know? And people please subscribe to this backup channel and smash that like button. And, you know, promote this video out there. Promote the Terrence and Dennis McKinnex pose video, promote Matt's video on Joe Rogan being exposed. Let people know not to feed their children. So a formula, you know, all of that garbage. It's just awful, but get this work out there. Help as many people as we can. Matt, do you have anything else that you would like to add? Well, yeah, just let me build on that point you made there. I see those comments all the time that this guy doesn't know anything about psychedelics. He's never taken them or what. He doesn't obviously doesn't know about them. But as you said, you wrote books on it. You know everything about it. And I sent Yana a podcast the other day from shortly, it was a Rogan Duncan Trussell podcast from shortly after Yana's interview with Joe back in the day. And Rogan elaborates on how Yana is the expert on psychedelics. And it takes someone as intelligent as him to drone through documents and really stuff. So Yana is truly an expert in even Rogan claims that Yana is an expert. You know, I did. I downloaded that whole clip. So after you finish talking, I'm going to play that. And it's OK. Duncan Trussell. And I used to know Duncan Trussell too. Go ahead. And then let me also say that there, I think that they're, because I have also done so I've never done DMT, but I have done mushrooms and LSD and all that kind of stuff. And I think that there is a spiritual, there's definitely something spiritual about it. But as Yana said, it's like a left hand path type of thing. And you really aren't living in truth when you're in that whole culture. And people like Rogan heavily influence that. People have no idea how much a podcast like that gets someone to go out there and do that. So if there is a spiritual angle to it, which I believe there is, it's probably a negative one. Yeah, you're probably, well, here's the thing. Is left hand path is Satanism. Now, what I suspect is it really more shows you your own psyche, your own consciousness and not true logos. I have had maybe one or two experiences that I would consider pretty phenomenal, but then you waste the rest of your life trying to get back to that rather than having, rather than understanding it through logos and truth. And, you know, and that was one of, one of the big experiences that I had way back in my early 20s showed me. And then I wasted years and years and years trying to get back to that. And it's just, you know, name one person whose life is bettered by doing drugs, who, you know, LSD mushrooms, DMT, Iowaska, MDMA, all of this stuff. You see them all eventually crash out. It's like their whole life gets put on hold. You know, and then they're spending, you know, 51 weeks a year to build this ridiculous thing to take out to the desert at BlackRock and burn it rather than building their life, building their future. You know, so it, you know, all of this stuff ends up in a dead end. So let's go to this. I live here. Hold on a second. I'm going to have to share the audio here. Hold on a second. Oh. What a great sound that is, man. What a incredible sound. I'm never going to forget that one time performance. No, I don't know. And it's something that I actually spent some time looking for because I wanted, it's something that I'm going to do. John Irvin, he'll have it. He has everything. I was, you know, within inches of going down to this Iowaska conference and he's having it in South America and he's going down there. I saw him on the flyer. Yeah, I saw him on the flyer. John's a great guy, but he's crazy. I never went to that conference. I'm really weird to communicate with him. You know, he just, he like will regurgitate facts at you without like, like connecting with you. You're not really communicating. Yeah. He's just regurgitating facts sometimes. Like we had him on the podcast. Like I couldn't get him to just have a conversation. He had to be like a lecture. You know, it's like the way he, you know, goes into each individual subject. It's so, it's like, he disseminating information like a robot, but he's a really smart guy. Yeah. It's just, I don't want it to be. I try to tell people like, when you come on a podcast, just talk to me, man. Talk to me like a real human being about, like, like you do when I hang out with you. Yeah. When I hang out with you, you talk to me different than this. Why do you talk when you get on a podcast? Why does it all of a sudden become a lecture? Right. You know, in some people. And I want to say to that point right there, because, you know, when you're trying to present all of this information on MK Ultra, you know, the goal is to be as factually accurate as possible. And not just spew a bunch of things and make dick jokes and then go, ha, ha, ha, you know, it's very important information. And it's unfortunate that Rogan decided that his audience wasn't smart enough to handle the information. Comic sometimes, if they're uncomfortable, it'll be that. They'll be trying really hard to be funny. Throwing those zingers. Yeah, like planned out ones, you know what I mean? It's like, yeah, podcasting is a tricky thing. And someone who is an expert on something like Yon is unquestionably an expert on psychedelics. Unquestionably. I mean, he's a... And then later on, Rogan came out saying I was crazy and here he's admitting I'm an expert, you know, I'm clearly an expert, he says. If I had a question on psychedelics to anybody, I would bring it to Yon Irvin. But having them on the podcast was just weird. And it's, I feel bad. I feel like I shouldn't have, I don't know, I shouldn't have tried to steer the conversation in one way or the other. I should have let it be boring. If I thought it was boring, I should just let it be boring instead of trying to like pump it up and make it more interesting. Well, that's maybe that's kind of the same thing. It's the tendency humans have to try to take control of the present moment and podcast their best when you're just in the moment and the thing starts turning into what's going on. He thought I was trying to censor him. Which he was, you know, that I wasn't giving people enough credit. And it's not what I would want. Hip-Hit Peace was Simon Powell and everything that I exposed about Red Ice Radio and all the behind the scenes that it's clear that there was censorship going on there. It was. It's like, he's... To peace someone who's like that sort of a researcher, sometimes you have to have this almost incredibly droning desire to go over details. In a way that a normal person would black out and go, stop, just stop. Do you understand there's no entertainment value in this conversation? Right. You're breaking it down and making it like less... The subject on its own is like really interesting and fascinating. But you're somehow or another managing to pound it down into something lifeless and boring. Yeah. And it's not that I don't want to hear the information. It's just like the way we're going about it here is so hard to listen to. No, that's a very funny thing what you just said is the way that certain people will become experts at a thing. And the thing itself is beautiful. But somehow their portrayal of the thing takes all the life out of it. And it reminds me of what peace is to... Well, there's people that want to develop a state sort of an academic approach to things and they want to be regarded in a very certain in particular way. So they're trying to do things in a way that they would consider to be very professional. And by... Fascinating. Yeah. I mean, I think their world is very different than our world. The world of the stand-up comedian is very different than the author world. The world of the serious psychedelic researcher. Yeah. That's what Yon is. Yon's brilliant. Don't get me wrong. What he does is fucking brilliant. And I like the guy. I just... On the podcast, it just didn't work. You know... And I blame myself for a lot of it. Don't blame yourself. I really do. I should have saw it coming. You know, and it's sort of damaged how I interact with him. Ah, that sucks. Yeah, yeah. I need to probably talk to him about it in person. Because I think he really just doesn't understand where I'm coming from. A lot of people don't know. There's a lot of people that tell you stories and they're not that fucking interesting. You know those people? Not this guy, not Yon. But I have a friend in my life. And I think that's the end of it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let me let me mention real quick, a key point you hit on there. And actually that podcast is really interesting to watch the dynamic between you. And when you're pointing out. Don't dump your audience down too much, Joe, because that's what he does. He goes. And I said that on the show. Didn't I know it's awesome. And he he just goes, well, I'm just a dummy. And my audiences are just a bunch of dummies. You know, but no, you can think for yourself. You're a human that can think for themselves. And you got to be able to judge information to get through life. You got to be able to look at situations and figure it out. So you're not a dumb to the point where you can't figure out that there's a deception going on here. But he always uses that all the time. I'm just a dummy. My audience are just a bunch of dummies. They're not. Yeah. And you know, I had about close to probably a thousand emails from his audience after that. And this was in. What 2011 and I haven't been friends with the guy since I went on his show, but I had about, you know, I left his place after that show furious, you know, and I just I never wanted to be friends with the guy again. And, um, you know, I had about a thousand emails from his audience apologizing to me for his behavior. You know, that's like took me weeks to go through all the emails, you know, but, um, you know, it's just it's, I don't know, the whole situation was sad and pathetic. And, uh, you know, he knew that I was coming on to expose him, culture. And I think he was trying to spin it and ridicule it and make, make me look like a joke or whatever rather than, you know, allowing the information to just come out, you know, and I thought, hey, you know, this would be a good opportunity to expose. But, um, it's unfortunate that he decided to become the mushroom and DMT guru and promoting the stupid stone to ape theory, which is complete garbage. That's, uh, you know, again, out of the, uh, the piled down hoax, which was one of the largest academic scandals in history, quote, air quotes with that one of the largest academic, academic scandals in history exposed because, you know, when you, when you see how academia runs and you realize all of these academic cells like that I've exposed in the spice and academic clothing article, you see that most of academia is a fraud. So let's see. And, uh, they're just idiots trying to cause trouble. So, uh, anyway, do you have anything else you want to add, Matt, or should we wrap it up here? I think this is a good point to wrap it up. I'm glad you got to address the Alex Jones stuff and, and that you allowed me to have my opinion on here and, uh, I think you'll navigate through that situation wisely. Thanks. And, uh, well, you know, if Alex sees this, which he's told me he watches my show often, um, if he sees this, uh, you know that I know that you know that I know type of thing. And, um, you know, I'll probably come on and I will caveat everything and, you know, we'll, you know, I just hope that, that it doesn't result in me getting entirely shut down, but I wouldn't be surprised at this point. So thanks everybody for tuning in this morning. We had a, you know, it wasn't a huge audience, but we had close to 90 people in there this morning. Thanks everybody for showing up and for, uh, you know, promoting the show. Please donate and please help the work. I can't do it with how to you. I'm going to post the link, uh, shoot post the link and the, uh, in the chat there for people to donate and support the show. I really appreciate anyone's and everyone's support seriously cannot do all of this with how to help. And the more they censor me, the more support I need from the audience to be able to continue to do this. So please contribute everyone and have a great weekend. And thanks Matt for coming on this morning. I appreciate your time. And, uh, we'll catch you all later. Everybody take care. Bye.