Part 2 Red Ice Radio The Assassination of Olof Palme

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For those of you with us about a month ago, you know that Ule uncovers the intricate and complicated web of leads that has been created by the international crime syndicate in the wake of the assassination of the Swedish nation. So today we're going to proceed to talk about the murder, the people involved, and of course where the trails lead. Well, first of all, welcome back. Ule, thank you for returning once again. It's a good to have you back with us. Thank you so much for inviting me. Oh, you're back to many of our listeners. Of course, we're very interested in this program. And about the fate of course of Ule of Palme, the major connections, the first of all. The Palme, the major connections, the first part we did was of course just kind of an introduction to yourself, to the new book, your overall thoughts and ideas about the work you've been doing, of course. And so in this part two, we are really going to get into some of the details about the event. You've done some extraordinary research and connection connections all over the place. And we'll in the coming episodes as well. We're going to get into some of these, of course. We're going to talk more about the manipulated and fabricated evidence protocols and the autopsy report, et cetera. But why don't we begin to kind of talk about the day again? We want to compare the different versions, if you will, the official versus your version of event. But take us back again to the night of the 20th of February 1986, Ule. We'll begin there, first of all. Okay, Friday the 28th this year was quite a cold evening. It was 6 below zero. There was just a little wind. And the Prime Minister, Ule of Palme and his wife, Lisbeth, had decided earlier that day to go to the cinema and see a film called Brinamursat, which was quite a hit film that was quite in at that time. Anyway, it wasn't that usual that they went to things like this, but this evening here said to his bodyguards that he just wanted to spend time with a family. And so they went to the cinema. It was what happened then was the official version says that he was observed by the killer, who was later pointed out as a drug addict. By the name of the crystal pet son that crystal pets on had seen them go to the movie and but mistaken them for his drug dealer, see the green. This is a maybe it's not the police, the official version, but it's been put forward quite a few times by journalists and other people in official newspapers. Anyway, so he was waiting, he ran back to his drug dealers apartment, got a gun and then waited outside the cinema and then when parliament came out, because he had the same fur hat, this crystal pets son is said to have mistaken him for his drug dealer and followed him down the street. Outside a building, the Scandia building, the insurance company Scandia is building, he went up behind them and fired one shot straight through the body of the prime minister. So he died instantly and fell down on payment and then he fired a second shot at his wife, but that missed. And after that he started running, he went into a passageway and then up some stairs that are today quite famous because of where the sort of the murder escaped. He went up these stairs and after that more or less all traces on them has disappeared. This is the official version and this guy, the crystal pet, was later he was taken in about two years later in 1988 and accused for this murder. He was pointed out by at least the parliament in a video confrontation where she picked him out among eight other people and after that he was sentenced for this crime. He was later pardoned or what you call it, released and they said they had made a mistake so he was released. But in media to this very day, it's all the time that he was the guilty one. The guilty one, the guilty one, the guilty one, it's again and again and again and no other investigation has been made more or less into other different possibilities or trails. That is the official version. That is the official version and it takes a while, of course, before here's the person get caught. There are all kinds of strange things that happen and we're going to obviously get to some of these as well, but why don't we just run through the second version and see it from your point of view of many of the inconsistencies and weirdness that happens both before and also on the actual day itself. What happened was that right away, for instance, I told you last time, if I was standing in central Stockholm tonight and I took a rock and threw in a window within a minute or two, I would be surrounded by police. There would be people everywhere with witnesses would be taken in who had seen what I've done and everything would just be working very smoothly and efficient because sweetness are very efficient country. But this time when it came to the assassination of the Swedish Prime Minister, for some reason absolutely nothing and I say nothing worked the way it should. Everything was delayed, everything was messed up, it was just a total disaster and this has been blamed afterwards as being, well, the Swedish police really messed up, there was technical problems, there was this and that and so on. But when you start looking into what actually happened, what witnesses saw and how they were treated and how evidence was treated, how different documents and autopsy protocols and reports and everything, how you see how this has been manipulated again and again and again and falsified and how witnesses have been threatened and not been heard. And it's just one awful big mystery that of course has a solution to it if you dig deep enough. Tell us about the overall environment, I guess we could call it at the time when Ulov Peln was assassinated because we have two different tracks or tendencies in society at the time by some he was seen as a traitor, possibly a double spy. We have this scenario that we have the Soviet block on one side of Sweden and Sweden again, kind of quote unquote our neutral as we've talked about before but officially anyway the neutral and there's a possibility that that might be basically devoured by the Soviet Union and at the same time you have NATO, the CIA and stay behind armies as well in Sweden since the Second World War. And of course they don't want to lose Sweden at the time Sweden is a point of shipment if you will of of the weaponry there are all kinds of dirty deeds going on in Sweden so it's an important area and an important place for the globalist elite power at the time. So tell us about Ulov Pelnman how he was seen in many ways as a kind of a double agent or a spy. And exactly what you're saying he was not just any ordinary politician he was especially on the international scene he was very active and he came from a very very strange background like we talked about last time where he came from a very right wing childhood and then it was like he was board almost or he transferred over to the left side the social democrats side. But and in his early years he was working for military intelligence building helping to build up the state behind army in Sweden to be together with Bill Colby who was later the CIA director and so on. So then when he when he came to become a politician he was a very controversial like I said on the international scene where he was he was a member of the bill the book group which I think most of your listeners know is the very elite group that is part of trying to transform this world into a new world order one world fascist state. He was a member of that and at the same time he was the politician of the people he was the defender of the week he was the one that that opened the doors for refugees he was the one who took care of the social people who were knocked out of society and so on. So he was a very double person and he I strongly feel that this was an act he was playing that he was acting for the elite for the banking elite for the big business and at the same time more or less playing theatre for the masses. I'm not saying this because I didn't like him or something like that this has nothing to do with personal like or nothing is what the facts are telling me. And in 1968 he did quite a stump because at that time the United USA was very strong in Vietnam and they were bombing everywhere and stuff like and nobody dared to raise any kind of finger towards America saying anything critical. And then 1968 all of parliament out on nowhere came and walked in a demonstration together with the ambassador the Vietnamese ambassador making a very strong statement against the USA and their involvement in Vietnam. Officially this really pissed the leadership of the USA off but at the same time what it did was because at that time he was a member of the bill of the group and so he was already involved but what it did was that he became a symbol of the one the only one who dared to stand up against imperialism and so on. So it opened the doors like the PLO opened his doors cube opened the door the sand in his government opened their doors and and welcome him as a hero. Yeah. This was in my opinion he was playing a double role here but people who were not aware of that saw him as a traitor. So we're getting into an area where he was not a traitor for the elements that later saw him as a traitor. Can you follow me? Yeah, sure. Absolutely. I know when in I think it was in 72 after the Hanoi bombings he went out on the in TV and said that this is just another name in the list of horrible places like concentration camps and massacres and stuff like this. This is not just another name on the list of all the horrific things that America has done. Once again a very very strong statement to do internationally and the rest of the world was just like whoa whoa whoa. But he went straight from that TV interview I've heard from people in the military in the industrial area straight back to the banking elite and say listen guys just take it easy. I just had to say these things calm down nothing is going to change but I needed to do this. Yeah. So we are in an area where officially he's the enemy to the so-called USA and he's against the East, Eastern block. He's for these like Cuba and Nicaragua and these countries to to help them against the big bad boys. But in real life it's the exact opposite. When you are a member of the Bilderberg group it's not a matter of being a spy or a dog will spy or a triple spy because you're a bomb that level I would say. That international elite are above the problems with East and West USA, CIA, KGB. It's beyond that because it's on that level it's it's a theater for the masses. But seen on lower levels you will be seen as a traitor from different people and this is what he was seen. Many people say that he was a KDP agent. Many people accuse him of being hired by the CIA and he was playing both sides at least two of the sides if not more being in that elite group. So we have the making of a hero here, a champion of the people and at the same time working for a completely different kind of conglomerant force if you will in the world entirely. That's your hunch at least at this point. It's a very classic trick sometimes they do it. If you want to infiltrate a group you infiltrate with two people and then you get one of them to find out that the other one is an infiltrator and expose him and everybody will go, oh my god he's the bad guy. And the other guy who pointed him out will become the hero. And from then on he will be treated differently. We were talking about John Gil in the last program. I think something like that happened that you know very shady things around him and I think that when he was officially put in jail for a year I think he went on education. You know had a one year education special training for what was later to come. This is my personal view. Definitely now let's talk a little bit more about how Palma acted in the last few months. Something very strange was going on at the time. He was also going to go off to a meeting in Moscow and this when many people feared that oh my god Sweden Scandinavia is at large at that point and my basically be devoured by the Soviet block. Tell us about this. Yeah it's exactly what you're saying. The last six months of his life more or less six months. For some reason reasons that I will go into in more details in the next program. He suddenly started acting very very strange from before he was always loyal to the elite. He was involved in different major arms deals. He was involved in many of these things that is now being exposed more and more of illegal activities and stuff like that. But at that point about six months before the assassination he suddenly started doing totally opposite. He started stopping weapon deals. He started doing things against NATO. He started, he gave up the Swedish right to North Sea oil. He opened up a meeting in Moscow with Gorbachev which was like unheard of. He came forward with a new suggestion for a law that would take away the legal rights of the police if Sweden was invaded. It would take away the rights of the police to act as a police and join the military against the invaders. Instead they would become like a private unit that would just have to stand under the command of the invaders. This just shook the whole establishment especially the right wing elements within the military organizations and the police. They just said, oh my god he is such a traitor. There was a very intense hate around him. Also he was working to get a nuclear free zone in Scandinavia. That really threatened the whole submarine with the submarines at atomic weapons and stuff. That would just stop all the NATO exercises and the Russian submarines and everything in the Baltic Sea and this area which was made up. It was really mess a whole lot of things up also because Sweden is such an important country, strategic wise. The position where Sweden is is very important. But you think that this was not something that he actually would do because he was working as he was implying here for the big boys, the Bergmember etc. He would just have this on the proposition so that people would still have the perception that looks he is working for us. He wants to have peace, he wants to do all these good things. But it really made a lot of people very angry with his way of dealing in the last few months. When the investigation, the officials, they say that when they met up with the FBI they said that there was no real motive. There was no, the situation was totally calm, there was no threats again. That is absolute not true. The situation was very tense when this happened. It was just a month before it was going to go to Moscow and it was boiling onto the surface. We need to get to what, who at this level decided to take him out then if he was ultimately working for the big boys. This is a difficult thing. We speculated about this. But I just have one account that I want to mention quickly about the Prime Minister, who would have put him in the position he actually met with Shell Uloffeld, which is he was from the Department of Finance. This was in 1985. This is actually just about six months or so before his assassination. This is when the Swedish bank system was deregulated. One of the accounts is that when Shell Uloffeld brought into the meeting with the Prime Minister, he wasn't there anymore. He was staring off into the wall. He didn't care. He even said that flat out to him. This is a document in a video footage. He said, I don't care anymore. I don't have anything to say in anything anymore. Do what you please. And mind you that this is at a time when they've just recently also had on the proposed proposition that they wanted to nationalize all profits from private companies within Sweden. So, I think that's a complete contradiction to this kind of deregulation that's starting to happen. And of course, later on, this eventually led to the crash of the Swedish currency and everything else. But this is just one another testimony from Shell Uloffeld directly that he just basically gave up. He didn't care, it seems like. And I wonder what happened. This is what we're going to get back to in part three because this is a totally different area in this assassination, I would say. But just like you say, he became totally uninterested in national politics. He was like Shell Uloffeld. He said, one time he was explaining a lot of things for Parliament. And Parliament was just sitting playing a flute behind his desk. Totally distracted, didn't listen. He was not there anymore. He didn't care. His mind was somewhere totally different. There were many secret meetings held both in Sweden and abroad, extremely concerned about his strange behavior, of course. But tell us about the participants of these meetings and what they were. There were meetings both in Sweden and abroad. There was quite a few meetings in Sweden. And it was in police station, military, right wing kind of groupings where like we said before, he was seen as a real traitor. And they just wanted to get rid of him. These forces were that attended these meetings, but were very right wing. I mean more or less Nazi elements, but on a very high high level. And there were like I said, there were like a series of meetings in Sweden before the assassination. There was also meetings held in Wiltshire, England where participants from there were, it was in Wiltshire and the group that arranged it was called Igdrasil, which is the name. It's the tree of life, which is very central in North cosmology. And this Igdrasil, this name comes, it returns at times also because all of Palmas name palm was like a tree. And later we're going to come into something that was called Operation Tree. They're also connected to the disaster situation. Anyway, this group, they had called together a group from NATO. There were bankers on a very high level. There were people from the military industrial complex. There were politicians, there were the Swedish high commander was there and so on. And what they wanted also, they were very, very upset about his behavior. The decision was taking to take him out. But it turns out in my opinion that there were actually two operations going on at the same time. Both of them were the aim of getting him killed. And this is what in the long run makes a real confusion because two operations going on at the same time they're just pointing all over the place when you look at the different members. I wanted to ask as well now when you talk about these groups and meetings and stuff, this is not, I guess, in any kind of, kind of, official capacity. These are like arms, car trail groups and people who are working within, you know, from from MI6 to the SAS, the British military. Yeah. And one thing I find that I think is very, very important as well is when you look upon assassination or groupings by the elite and so on, you have to see the world from a higher point of view beyond national borders. It's not a matter of England, USA, Sweden. Yeah. It's, these people are using the world as a business. It's like a big franchise. And, and the military is like used as the enforcer to force the will of this business elite on the world. They're sort of the bullies that will just push forward. So when we talk about the CIA, it's the central intelligence agency, agency, meaning these, it's an agency you can hire to do the dirty, dirty work for you. It's not like the national security for the American. And that's why when you look about these things, you have to look, like I say, from a higher point of view, otherwise it doesn't make sense. Definitely. There is other clues in this as well. The stock market, allegedly, was kind of preparing, as you said, for that coming assassination. What was this about? You will see that all the bigger assassinations or conspiracies like 9-11, JFK, and all of Palm as well. So you can see how the stock market are being prepared by people inside us who know that it's coming. So things are happening slowly and hidden because they know the impact of a hit like that, what that will be, the reaction in the world. So what they do is it's all, also, it's very often that these things happen on a Friday because then they can up when the shots are fired, boom. They right away they close the stock market and then they have until Monday to sort everything out because the stock market is closed because of morning because there's a full set. But that gives them this time to fix everything. And then when the stock market opens, they lock the currencies while it's happening. And then when it opens up again, they have made absolute fortunes. And like in any case, they say follow the money when you go for motives. And the guy who made the most, at least official money was the businessman Eric Penzer, who his company, who happened to be named Igg Dresil. Here we go again. Interesting. He's very, very involved in the military complex with buffortion and others like that. And he made the, or like the, I can't remember how much of a 1.2 billion Swedish Chrome knows something like that overnight because of that, or during the weeks around the assassination. That's right. And he, I think he actually ended up losing a lot of it actually later, consequently in the crash of the Swedish currency, as I mentioned before, but nonetheless he made shit loads of money when this actually happened. And again, it doesn't mean, of course, that he's behind it alone. This means basically that he was in on it with the other group of people that we're going to talk more about here later today of those who are in the know and then also financially can gain on it politically. There's so many agendas that are fulfilled, if you will, at the same time when this happens. When you look into conspiracies like this, it gets extremely complicated. It's extremely complicated. It's not easy to explain in an easy way. So I hope we can do a good job of just trying to sort things out one by one. We'll try to get to all your points and all your thoughts, Ula, and spend some time on it because it's really incredible when you go into it. And there is such an a massive information from different kinds of points of view. And so it's difficult to know to even where to begin to unravel this beast, if you will. But let's just proceed here and do the best we can. It was winter holidays at the time. Tell us about that. No, with you, the way I've gotten as wide a picture as I have from this is by studying many of the other big conspiracies. Like JFK has spent many, many years looking into that, like the Robert Kennedy assassination, like Martin Luther King, like 9-11 and so on. And once you do that, when you do that, you start off the wild, you can see a very clear picture of how these things are done, how they prepare them, how they carry them out, and so on. And then it is in this way that then when something new happens that you will be able to foresee or even, well, like I said, get a much sharper picture out of it because it's the same pattern being repeated again and again. So with the other big conspiracies, what happens is that the group behind them, the order for the hit comes from a very, very high point. It goes down through the pyramids of power where it gets diffused so you can't, you have no idea you can't track it backwards where it came from. But it comes down to the street level sort of where the actual hit team is put together. The hit team who is going to do it have absolutely no idea who hired them. They have no idea why they're doing it. They're just being hired as good skilled professionals. And these groups, the hit team are most of the time put together by very, very top assassins from different countries, different groups without any obvious connections. And we want to name some of these later, by the way. Yeah, yeah, of course. But they're also being put together in small groups of two, three people at a time connected with the radio. The whole point is to keep it at what they call a need to know chain so that no one who's involved should know the whole picture that should only know their little part. Only a very few people at the top will know the whole picture what's going on. So often these people who are involved, they don't even know who the real victim is until it's over. Or they didn't really know why they were positioned in a, why they had to stand there or there. And until afterwards, and afterwards once it happened, they couldn't come forward because then they would point themselves out that's being guilty, being part of it. The timing, there is basically the government is knocked in place, you mentioned the king is knocked out due to winter holidays, right? Exactly. This is also, if you look at the other big assassins, like for instance, with the Kennedy assassinations, like they see to it that the government or the government, the people that know about it, everybody is away, it's plausible, plausible denial that nobody should be able to point them. So everybody is out of the, out of the way. This was the winter holidays. So it's the perfect day to do it. The king is out of town and most people in Stockholm are winter holidays as well. So the city is more or less dead. And this Friday evening was no exception. It was very dead. There was very few people in the streets. Like I say, it was 20 past 11 in the evening. So they, there were no problems with a lot of weaknesses that would interfere. There have been between 50 and 200 observations of people with walkie-talkies depending on what sources you listen to. None of these have been accepted by the official investigation. There's also quite a few people have been pointed out being a part of this assassination. None of them, more or less none of them have been heard. And if they've been heard by the investigation, it's been after a lot of pressure from press and stuff like that. They've been very reluctant to even take a step forward to do that. Totally the opposite, as if they had really been interested in finding the truth. And if you look at other biggest conspiracies, you will also see that the people who are doing the assassination itself have created an investigation, their own investigation that is on standby. They get the hit team, they have their own investigation on standby, and they have a prepared pat-seed, the guy that gonna blame everything on. And they have evidence that it has been put together that would point to that one. So the instant when they also, they make sure that there are no bodyguards, they take away all kind of security around the victim. Did he have it anyway? Will of pulmonary did he usually have bodyguards? No, he had bodyguards, but rarely he didn't officially, he didn't like them. At that time was such a peaceful country. There was no violence, no murders. Sweden was really proud that the prime minister could take his bicycle to work and so on. But this day he had said to officially, this is what it said that he told his bodyguards that you can take the day off. I want to spend the evening with my wife. So there is preparations in place at the time, as to say, that the pat-sees is already there, kind of decided upon everything, etc. But there are other bigger things as well, the helicopter division is on standby. The official version, as I said before, is that there was one lone crazy guy, which is standard. I can just say, anytime you hear about a lone crazy guy who did it, wake up, look into what's going on. It doesn't matter if it's a hit in Venezuela or Mexico or wherever. If it's a lone crazy guy, it's time to look into it because the reason why they pick a lone crazy guy is because he was crazy. He just shot him. There was no reason. There's no explanation. Just let it get over with and very often this guy dies in a violent way. So everything is sorted and case closed. Thank you very much. Let's move on. If we look at this evening when he was shot, like I said, if it had been a normal case, what would have happened if somebody had fired a shot and central stock on like that? Within a few minutes, the center of stock on would have been cut off with police cars and not swap teams, but almost like there would be a whole lot of activity. The promotion going on, the prime minister had been shot closed, shot down the airports, shot down fairy lines, everybody calling the national guard, you know, like that. What happened this evening? Absolutely zero. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Instead, when people came forward, witnesses came forward and said, yeah, I saw him run that way. I saw this. I saw that the police who came to the site, they said, well, thank you so much, but we already have witnessed so we don't need you. Or they said one guy, one woman said, I saw one of them with blonde. He was running down the street here. They said, thank you. We're not looking for blonde guys. Another guy said he was running after the killer and a police car came who was officially hunting the killer, came and passed him. He was running exactly where after the assassin and the police car just passed him without stopping him. They looked at him and they just passed him. And also what happened was that when people called in right when it happened and said somebody had been shot, nobody knew it was all a problem at that time. But the guy who sat in the alarm central delayed and delayed the calls, he, an alarm was sent out and alert was sent out after a little while. But only to a very few hand picked police bands that came to the site. They were the first at the assassination site after the police chief, Yastas Serdostrom, who was the first guy who was outside the conspiracy type of thing. But the people who came to the assassination site and started hunting the killer was all of the people in central position this evening, belonged to a very small group, a very, very small group of right wing extremist policemen in Stockholm. I have to rewind a little bit. When you look at the bigger conspiracies again, when you have one team that goes in, they come from abroad, whatever country it is doesn't matter, but they take people from abroad because they are harder to track. They will do the surveillance of the victim. Then when it gets closer, when they pinpointed all the important details around where and how and when. This surveillance team has also been supplied with weapons and house housing and vehicles and all of this thing, by local people on that side. These people are almost always right wing military people, security, that type of prison wardens, these type of people, very disciplined and violent people. So you have the surveillance team, you get the weapons and all the logistics sorted by people, local people. And then when it's time, you bring in the real hit team from abroad. The surveillance team stands back and watch when the hit is done. Then they come in again and see that the hit team is helped out. You also got a backup team that will help the hit team to get rid of the weapons, clothes, evidence, all of this thing. At the same time, you have another team that often they come dressed as police officers in uniforms and they clear the crime scene of any type of evidence that can point towards the actual assassins. You also have like I said before, you have your own investigation. You could you told the whole thing from the start to the finish. Yeah, exactly. Because the last thing you want is honest decent normal policeman who are used to investigate these type of things, who will mess it up. So these people are pushed aside and incomes your investigation, they take over everything and from that day their job is to point, they went that away, they went that away, they went that anything except pointing inwards towards the truth. This is exactly what you see happen in Stockholm. This is exactly what happened with the Kennedy assassination, with the Warren commission, where all of these things were put together. You saw it with Robert Kennedy as well. And that is the way to carry it up. You can see it on an international level because there's so many of these assassinations that have been done over the years by a very small group of people. And very often it's the same assassins as well. When it comes to a job on a high level, they're used the best. So you will see that these people who are in this group will, you will see the identities pop up again and again and again in different constellations. I'm going to bookmark that one because we need to return to that. You shared with me before we began the recording some very interesting names and similarities as well here. So let's return to that. But again, let's just talk about the movie theater scenario a little bit here. The fact that this is a perfect place to do it because you have, you know, an hour or more or so preparation, you know, where it's going to be, you know, where he's going to walk out, etc. How do you, what do you think about the movie theater thing? How, how soon could they have known about that? Was that arranged in any other capacity? So they knew where he was going to be? No, it was the perfect, absolute perfect place. He was, he was held on the surveillance for at least five, six weeks before witnesses have seen what could talk him and outside his, his house. They've been observed in different places around where, where he was moving around. So when you look at it, where would be a good place to hit? It could be around his home. It could be around the parliament or it could be around the social democrat headquarters. These are some of the standard places that he would go. And this cinema was right opposite the social head, democrat headquarters, right opposite that. So it was the perfect spot because it had, it had been checked out for a long time before. He also his phone was tapped. And so when they heard that he was going to go that, that afternoon, at the same time, if, if now I would go into the picture of saying when you start putting the pieces together, okay, seeing what happened that day. So when parliament had mentioned to his wife and son that they were going to go to the cinema that evening. There was a program on a local radio station. It was a theatre play where a right extremist group said that a statement is going to be killed. It's not going to be a Swedish statement is going to be killed. And it's not going to be a Gustav III, which was the last big assassination in Sweden. They said that this traitor has been sitting on the throne for too long spreading lies everywhere. It has to stop. And then they all laugh and stuff like that. It, it may sound quite innocent that thing, but I'm going to come back afterwards to who were the members of this so-called culture group that had made this radio show. And if I am, if I'm right, that theatre on this local radio station was the start sign that the different groupings who was involved was waiting for. That was the signal saying, okay, we're on. Interesting. Because after that, you suddenly see that there's a movement. You see different police cars are moving into place. You see different groupings are moving into central Stockholm. And this is based on eyewitness testimony at the time, correct? Yeah, everything everything I say is what people have seen I heard. If it's my theory, I will tell you. Okay. Good. Good. So, so it's my theory that this is the start point. This is the go ahead point. But, but that is the after that, you can see people moving into position and so on. So they do it right in the open announcing it on the media, even smarter, I guess, to a certain degree. Yeah, I know, but it was just that there was somebody, an old lady listened to it and told my god, this is really odd. So she called in and told the police about it. That's the only reason why I know about it. Interesting. I'm going to the cinema is the absolute perfect scenario because it's in a place that they know well and also they know once it gets into the cinema, they will help him there for at least an hour and a half. So they can do everything into place around it. And so when they come to the the cinema, when they leave their house with this is observed, there's two walkie talkie men's follow them or two men following some see walkie talkie. But they see these two men following one can describe them later on anyway. So they follow them on the subway, they come into central Stockholm and they go to the cinema. Once they're in the cinema, with the C see that there's one person outside the entrance is just standing looking really weird with a stereo. Stereo eyes and looking very hostile that guy that guy the description of him differs, but that's because he was another one he was relieved after a while, you know, somebody else took his place. But they put him there to make sure that the prime minister would not go anywhere. Okay. So when he was there, there was three escape cars putting into action. There was a white ballboard, two four two GL, there was a red Ford escort and there was a light blue folk rang pass out. I don't know what that is in English pass that anyway. These three cars are moving around in the center and you have people are starting observing all of these people with walkie talkies in those days people didn't use mobile phones. So it was very obvious what they were doing and it was not small walkie talkies. Some are not quite big, almost like military type of thing. But they were moving very openly they were not hiding in any way and this is once again because the people know that they were going to be helped to get away. They know that they they don't fear retaliation. If it happened you and me we would have been sneaking around whispering. These people were standing right in the open speaking loud and also these people were quite proud of being part of this thing. Because in their opinion they were getting rid of an awful person. Sure. Now you also speculate that the operation is directed from from Scandia bar right the bar in Scandia hotel correct? No. Okay. What is that? It's okay. The site where he was later shot. I'll rewind. I'll go back to the cinema. Okay. When they came out from the cinema they they went out and all of the problem and his wife and son and his girlfriend they stood talking just for a few minutes outside. And at that time there was a walkie talker man on the other side of the street. There was also people down Sveerlig and like 100 meters down Sveerlig on both sides they were waiting. And on parallel streets on both sides you had people being observed with walkie talkies and with police cars driving slowly up and down police cars some of them that was not officially on duty. And there was one what you call it like police chief car. It was called 1520. It was a commissionary car police chief. People that saw that car so that the back the back seat was filled with technical equipment that was flashing lights and tennis and stuff like that. And it has later been put forward that this car was there to amplify the signal between the walkie talkies and the commando central now organizing the whole thing. Okay. Then you had two police men 30 to 30 which was filled with right wing policemen and another one called 1230. They were also stand by they want both sides on the parallel streets of Sveerlig. So when they the parlance son and girlfriends they say that we're going to go home and have a cup of tea and all of parliament his wife decides to walk home instead of taking the subway. So they start walking down south of Sveerlig and witnesses observe one guy following them. I mean people recognize parliament so they thought he was a bodyguard he was following like 1520 meters behind them. And while they were walking down the street on the parallel streets people there were another witness who saw three people three men coming running very very fast down the parallel street to get in position further down the street on both sides there were people observed. And they they some of them saw one man standing just outside where he was later shot and and they thought that he was a criminal that was waiting to do some kind of a drug deal or something like that because he looked a bit strange. Okay. Anyway so they walked on the street and when they walked on the street the these different cars and people on both side of the street are following them. There's also walkie talkie man a little further down outside the order three of the sugar sugar go that's one guy there with a walkie talkie and other people are also observing for 50 meters further down the street. Another guy with a walkie talkie who was speaking very high loud in a walkie talkie here in a strange language they say sound like Swiss German kind of thing. When he finally comes down they go down the street and then they decide to cross the street because officially at least that wanted to see there was a shot for women's clothes so she wanted to have a look there so they go there on the other side of the street and then from there they start walking down towards where he's going to be assassinated. And the official story says that they walked there and when they came to the corner that one of these guys was standing around the corner it's sort of like a bit of a strange corner cut off corner he was standing there in the shadows waiting and then when they passed him he just walked up behind and fired one shot right in the back of the apartment. Another one at the least bit then took lift and ran about a hundred meters before he went up the stairs and then to the next level it's about I think 30 meters up and they just disappeared after some witness that had seen him there up there and from then on the officially no one has ever seen him after that. If we reverse a bit and we see the people that have been observed that evening there we will see that there's a small group of Swedish policemen that are connected to with right wing military people. Let's just bring in some names here at this point as well then who are we talking about here. Yeah who are connected with this stay behind moment I think your your listeners are know about stay behind do they. Yeah we've talked about it in the past for those who don't know of course these are the NATO forces that will hear after the World War two and basically are they're staying behind enemy lines at that stage and setting up the intelligence operative networks on the European side. It is like a ghost army that has built up that was built up in all the different NATO countries it was sort of one of the one of the requirements to be able to enter NATO was that they would be take part of this as well. But since Sweden was not part of NATO they they went in secretly and built this secret ghost army inside Sweden with the help of people among them to go London and all of parliament. And this ghost army consists and to this day I still think it's around it goes on the many different names all the different countries have their own names of it it's called gladio stay behind rear guard in Sweden. And there are a lot of groups or like greening there many different names of different groupings inside the same so just for the to make it easy we're going to call them stay behind. And what what it was stay behind consists consisted of small groups often like eight people on military people one way to operate a one commander five six soldiers they had arms deposed dug down in the ground. They had to fuel all of these things so that there was a whole network hidden on standby should the country be invited invaded so that let's say that Russia invaded Sweden when no preparation at all they would already be a defensive defense force ready like a guerrilla army ready to fight them. And this was build up from with the help of this CAA the director later William Colby in Sweden he he he he worked through the American embassy and they build this up and in Sweden from I think 54 onwards. Yeah, anyway their headquarters was in the building of this insurance company Scaldia exactly at this part where he was killed I mean we're not talking about a hundred meters we're talking like there two meters away from the headquarters at the time of the murder they it was not they had moved it but that was where all of Palma had been. How part of many of the of the these meetings with the state behind the problem with stay behind was the idea was great that it was to defend the country like that but instead after well CAA started using it as a strategy in their strategy of tension as a as a force to inflict violence on on a society for people the population to be. So you ask for more and more protection so by scaring people people will accept more and more control so stay behind is involved in if not all then so so many of the so called terror attacks in Europe and in many other countries. All these false like attacks and they have to do it on themselves they have to be the ones who are instigating the terror because no one there is doing it so they have to do it it's like after all of these years I don't even know if there is such a thing as a terrorist because every time there is a thing like whatever it is when you start looking into it you it's the same thing again and again and again it's like and with these school shootings and all of the you start looking into it is the same story again and again again. And like we talked about before that they they use what is called a three step rocket they you you create a problem in a secret secretly you created to get a reaction from people from the population so that you can come with your solution very often this problem is a bomb or bomb they love bombs and so in the media they prepare. Some kind of scapegoats I think maybe it's bird lovers next time or crocodile hunters or whatever. Sure remember that whatever ways they come up with maybe the green parrot bird foundation or something like that and in the media they will start pumping out saying that this group they have secret meetings and they have planned to do whatever. Now let's advance forward a little bit here I want to I do want to get into some of the names and some of the things that happen there's a there's a diversion fire started in Nakhya industrial area at the time also another calling card that they're trying to divert attention obviously what do you know about that exactly like you say like. And once they started when when around the time of the assassination a lot of things went on not only in Stockholm like they were a helicopter division that was on standby I'm sure there was a lot of other places military was on standby as well that I don't know but to avoid riots or to be able to control the country they did the same with at the Kennedy assassination. There was a whole I don't know how many planes were up in the air flying around the state just you know checking if everything was okay any riot alert so that you could very fast go in and just stop it same here black helicopters that was in the air waiting and we're standing stay behind was on standby as well and also one way of getting rid of the. No sea journalist and photographers is to divert them so there was this fire started out in the Nakhya industrial area and that just meant the these the few police or journalists that was there that night went out there to to check that out which was a it's a good idea I mean if you know how it's done get rid of them sure and that's what they did. So more things alluding to the fact that these are planned there's another very interesting idea here as well on top of it which is the the Patsy that was placed out that the crazy Austrian right has been prepared if you will to be the Patsy but tell us and he was you know basically to be picked up then just minutes after the shooting but tell us who this guy is Wilhelm Keram is his name. Yeah the the guy that they had prepared as a Patsy was called his name was Wilhelm Keram and he was called the crazy Austrian and in the hours they were actually just after this theta play was was played on the on the local radio the chief of police who was later he was he had never let fully murder investigation before but the police chief that was put to to lead this whole murder investigation around the the parliament murder he came into his own office officially he was up the skiing in the north of Sweden but he was there that afternoon and he went in and just said well by the way this crazy Austrian has just threatened both myself and all of parliament he says he he's going to kill us both and and so on so the his colleagues they say but my god shall we do something shall we tell parliament something he said no no no don't worry about that no problem and then he left okay so a few hours later when the actual plan took place this guy was supposed to be picked up and then pointed out at the Patsy but at the exact time of the time of the shooting this guy was so accidentally stuck by another police car that was not involved in the assassination and just questioned for something else anyway 10 minutes later exactly where the the shooter was picked up just minutes after the shooting picked up by one of the escape cars the light blue fault bank passat and taken up just a minute after he left but somebody dropped him off this crazy guy villain clump in the exact same spot so that he could be picked up by the police and he was taking in for interrogation and the police chief said when he went home 7 o'clock in that morning he said that I thought the case was shot and you know everything was okay this villain clump was actually a guy that turned up years later in the press his his real name is Joseph Fritzley and he's the guy that was called the the Bayham what he called the seller monster he was the guy who held his own daughter for 20 I think 24 years captive in in the basement of the the villa in Austria where he made her pregnant with I think seven kids or something like that totally crazy and now he's he's been put away for like this guy is connected he was according to inside information I've been told that he was supplying the Mossad and CAA with false passports and stuff like that and they were aware of this thing with his daughter so they they could blackmail him into keeping quiet and maybe that was also what they would have used him used against him had he been the patty that he would never have said anything because he knew that they could you know so so this guy who was in the news you know just few years ago now I guess it was at the time basically he was up in in Stockholm at the time he was flown there he was obviously used in this whole thing isn't to be set up as a patty he might even then at that time my my math is not on top of the right now 24 years he might have actually at that time had his daughter locked away in the seller all already at that point when he was up in jail yeah yeah yeah for sure isn't that crazy cheese yeah and that that was the thing they had they had them are by the balls yeah but he was do you know what happened to him was he just flown out and left the country because he didn't he didn't work out as a patty obviously I don't know what happened to him afterwards I don't know then I found out you know this this connection later on but I have no idea very interesting but we need to go back to the to the crime scene because there's a very central group and the Swedish part of this group it's a right wing police group of right wing policemen they went under the the name of the baseball league there it was a group of very violent policemen in Stockholm in central Stockholm at the noramams police station and that police this district is the one that involves all the major buildings like the royal castle like the parliament all of these things this this group the the baseball league was actually started by the guy who was later to lead the whole murder investigation his name was Hans van Mir and he was the former chief of SEPO which is the Swedish security police but at the time of the murder he was the lens police messed up which was sort of the police chief of Stockholm and this guy had accidentally no experience with a murder investigation nothing like that but he had very very strong connections into stay behind and to these right element right wing elements anyway this evening this group of policemen it's only a group of like around 10 people but they move into all the key positions around this assassination there's one guy who that exact evening takes over in the communication central he's the one where people when people calls in and say there's been a shooting in and he's the one who delays it delays delays delays his name is Ulf Hildin okay then you have the the police van the one that came first to the murder site after the police commissioner just to serve the storm that whole van is filled with people from this baseball gang and they were the ones who who ran after the assassin after they had been ordered witnesses says they were sort of laughing around playing around they they the witnesses couldn't understand my this a lot come on go go go yeah and then they ran after the the assassin but very like like one of them took the ellip what do you call it the escalator up to you yeah he took the escalator up he was a little overweight he took the escalator up and I mean but if you think of it if you're if you're chasing an armed assassin would you really stand in an escalator where there's no hiding where so easy to get a shot at you at least I wouldn't do it I would really sort of be very aware anyway they they they chasing or apparently and they go off the stairs and they more or less stop there on top of the stairs they wait and then this 15 20 the the police chief's car comes the guy the the car that has just passed the guy that ran after the assassin and without stopping him which was very strange because if they officially they say they when they heard the alert they went they wanted to go in the back streets just to see if they could cut off a possible escape routes but if if that would be the truth why didn't they stop this guy they would they saw coming running yeah there there was no there was no description of the assassin or anything like that so if that had been true they would have stopped this guy but instead this guy that chased the shooter he had to stop and run back after the police car saying listen listen I saw him and what did they do did they take him and the car turn it around and go the way he said the shooter went no they said you stay here with one of these guys so he stood waiting there for some minutes and then he was brought back down to the side of the assassination where he was questioned I don't even know if he was questioned that evening yeah it's not amazing there's so many so many so many things that just doesn't follow regular procedure you know you also had a major problem here because the the police vans there's these two cars the van the king and the car that came on top of the stairs that up there both of these cars are there about six minutes to early because the alert had not gone out at that time yeah you see we have a problem here and the police chief just a citizen who was the one guy who came first he was alerted by a guy in the street saying there's been a shooting up on three other they can so he came with his driver at that time they had no idea that it was the prime minister that had been shot so in all these situations it's standard to write down the time of when when they were alerted and when they came to the site so he just did that standard he wrote down the time he came there and while he was there there were some witnesses trying to people around that was trying to to help all of parliament and his wife was running around screaming they've shot my my my husband and then the the other police man came and these guys just came went out and just a said so I'm said go after the killer you know no no we don't have the armor protective army you know no maybe we should wait and stuff like he said you're going just get going and so they started running after him and but in a very not very serious way also there's another one the ambulance that was supposed to come that evening to pick you pick him up that evening a woman Maria Degeman from the same police station was the driver he had that evening and the the driver of the police 1520 you know the one that passed the back he was he belonged to the same base building and his name was Thomas Eichesheiter and the police commissioner Glesten Dahlskoad was known to be in right wing um well situation sure sure yeah so so there's also there's one walking talkie man who was standing outside all of three of the shishkin he was identified by witnesses as Thomas Peele's another member of this baseball gang and the guy that was standing outside the cinema he was identified to his name was Lafe Teld he was also a member of the police of the baseball gang you see there's a lot of things here if you've only got a group of 10 people a lot of them are here they pop up all the round this place i would say and also when the alert was sent out by the guy who in the commando center who is one of the one of the guys it only went to a few special cars no one in the central Stockholm no one no one in the normal police had any idea what had happened there were no alerts going out nothing and the national alert the first national alert went out almost three hours later that's right at two two oh six in the morning and at that point they said it was two shooters Lisbeth the wife of all of parma hadn't seen any did he she didn't see any face or anything like that of the guy also she described on the witnesses also described that when he ran he ran very fast and he looked a bit like a bodybuilder's you know his head was a bit small for the rest of his body and he ran with very powerful steps later later years when when they brought in the pati qista pet song everything was changed and then suddenly he ran like a lame elephant you know it was like airy all the it just changed the malnourished you know drug drug dude he can't run that well at that point so yeah that's true this thing with the cars being their six minutes too early really messed things up for the conspirators because suddenly they they couldn't how could they how could they have known about the alert before it went out how could they come to the motorcycle before they were alerted you know yeah so after that someone has tried very hard to manipulate manipulate a lot of the evidence so for instance like the the list the timeless and the radio communication things there's a lot there if you really look into it you will find a lot of things that is not correct there is a lot yeah can you play can you blame this on a on an alcoholic crazy guy no you have to look in who can manipulate things like this you have to go into the police you have to go into who can allow it from the higher levels not investigating these things then you come higher up and I want to say as well higher up and higher up definitely I don't want to say as well that the reason then that this is you know more or less agree upon within this group they they probably at that stage even managed to come in some more and more people that they talk to because of the way that they overall think about you know parliament at the time this seems as the most reasonable thing to do because as you said before he's seen he's seen as a trader you know whole countries might be given up to the Soviet block all the the the private companies are going to have all of their profits being nationalized and stuff like that I mean these are big big things for these you know financiers and and for now people involved in the companies and and also are kind of already at an international national stage at this point so this is just what they probably agreed upon and and it's in their view the only viable solution at least in the beginning to kind of get out of this you know weird place that Swedish politics have ended up in and they see all of parliament as the symbol for everything that's gone wrong in the country I think you know what we're going to do we're going to we're going to take a short break we've kind of gone over the time a little bit for the first however that's that's okay there's a lot to to get to a lot to discuss we're going to carry on of course talk more about the names we're going to get into the JFK connection and the much more in the in the second but before we just wrap things up here please give us out your website again and mention your book as well Ola my website is www.merderofpalmer.com and my book is called Statskop Islamotion or in English kudita in slow motion and it's on my website you can download it for free or by donation I'm very very grateful for any donations because I've spent I don't know how many years but almost 15 years are very hard work with big risk for myself trying to find out what actually happened here indeed very much so we're going to carry on and talk more about this in the second anola so do stay with us we'll be back with more in the next hour Ola will continue to detail the people from the baseball league the members from the Swedish police basically facilitating the international crime network in place in Stockholm at the time making sure that the operation ran smoothly Ola will talk about those who took part of the actual murder more directly as well will run through that list we'll discuss what it calls the super death squad this is people from the notorious operation 40 the CIS sponsored undercover operation and how many of these people shows up as well in the connection to the GFK assassination we also talk about the locker bee bombings 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