Judyth Vary Baker & Ole Dammegard in Gothenburg Sweden JFK, MLK and Operation 40

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being here in Sweden with two of my very favorite people. Judith, very baker and Ole Damagard. Thank you both so much for joining me today. And thank you for coming all the way from New York. Jay's on that. It's amazing. It is my pleasure for sure. This is a rare pleasure and an honor to be with you guys. I think it's historic to have this type of conversation in person rather than over Skype. You guys are both pivotal figures in the JFK assassination research community. Of course, Ole, you've brought together the big picture of how all of these political assassinations are connected. Olaf Palme, you gave a fascinating presentation last night about the assassination of Martin Luther King. And, Judy, of course, you had a personal and intimate relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald that is just like peering into history. You're going to be hosting a conference in Dallas coming up. Why don't you tell us a little bit about the book, the conference? Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, the conference itself is historic because, first of all, we're not going to be around that much longer, but we've lost you, Mars. We've lost others. They're very, very important people. But we have worked especially hard this year to bring in people that have even not even spoken before. Like, Roger Craig Jr., he's going to tell how his father was murdered. The police officer, who initially found the rifle. That's exactly right. And then, like, for example, Robert Ten and Balms coming in. He and I have something in particular that's special. And that both of us viewed the training film that Lee Oswald was in. I'm one of the witnesses. There are very few. Now, wait a minute. This is a training film. That was created by the CIA. This, well, I think you would have to say that since David Atley Phillips was involved with it and admitted that they're training anti-castle Cubans. Out there. Like Ponsatrain. Near Lake Ponsatrain, near the airport and all that. So he had different ways of expressing who was involved. But he couldn't get around it. It's in some of the secret documents that have been released. And they were there before. They just aren't as redacted as they were. This is due to Donald Trump releasing the new trove of the trove. Yes, we were so pleased because Donald Trump really fooled everybody and got these released early in July. Instead of in October, before they could clamp down on him to stop it. Yeah. That's really interesting. And, Ola, unfortunately, you won't be with us in Dallas. But this presentation you gave last night about Martin Luther King and the assassination is just the latest in your ongoing lifelong effort to detail all of these things. Actually, he will be by Skype. Ah, there we go. Yes, we can't go without him, you know? And by the way, it's going to be held in Dallas at the double tree by Hilton at the Market Center, 16th, 17th, and 18th. But we've had so many people that want to come. And we have so many speakers. We have an unprecedented 41 speakers. So we're going to actually have start some of it on Thursday. And Ola will be speaking by Skype on Thursday, our early words coming in, of which we have, we'll have at least a hundred or more. Wonderful. Well, I definitely look forward to that. Judith, how can people sign up for the conference? Is there a website you can come on? Easily. Well, the easiest ways go to PayPal. And just, if you're my friend and family, great. But if you're not, at least, you purchase the ticket. It is, it's going to be $105 until the end of October. And then it's going to go sky high. No. But the point is it'll be JFK conference at Yahoo.com. JFK conference at Yahoo.com. Now, to go to the website, it's JFKDallasconference.com. Now, there's also Speaker Stinner, but it's going to sell out. If you want to sit with Dr. Cyril Wecht, or you want to sit with some Philip Nelson, there are some of these other wonderful speakers we have. Then you need to buy a ticket to the Speaker Stinner before they're all gone. They're $50. Again, you'll send it to PayPal JFK conference at Yahoo.com. OK, so that's the payment address. But the website, of course, is JFKDallasconference.com. People can go there, get all the information. Yes, indeed. And they can sign up for the hotels and get a special rate. All the rates go sky high in November because of all the conferences. This is a special rate that is, it's $109 is all plus tax for that area. And free shuttle to Deely Plaza. Now, Oli, can you give us, I know you've just started a local tour here in Sweden where you're speaking to small groups. You were going to be speaking to this alternative book fair that was canceled by CEPO, wasn't it? Yep. Talk about that a little bit. What went on with CEPO? Why did they cancel this conference? What were we expecting from? I don't know. It's like Sweden is a beautiful country, beautiful people. And there's a censorship here that most people are not aware of. But there is. And I think the latest election and so on, it's a beautiful example of how things are really working under the surface because people who start looking into this latest election, it's very easy to see that it was rigged. Right. The process going on and stuff like that, that hopefully we'd be looked into. But there was this book fair here in Gothenburg, massive one. And so last year, I was invited to come, I couldn't come, but I was invited to that. But the ones that invited me, they were thrown out, because they were called right extremists. I don't know about their political views. I think the people that I've been dealing with super nice people. And they were kind enough to sell my books and stuff, which no one else has offered. So I was very happy about that. But they were thrown out from the book fair last year. So this year, if I'm correctly informed, they wanted to arrange an alternative book fair themselves to open up the possibilities for people with a separate or a different point of view. And as far as I know, the reason why they've been called right extremists are because, and conspiracy theorists, is because they are critical to the vaccines, policy, they're critical to the bill of a group, they're critical to mass immigration, they're critical to, many of these things that I think we've got freedom of speech. So you should be allowed to say, listen, I don't like this. That's the point of view. It's not a violent act. It's just say, I don't like this. I would like a change. But here, what happened was that a friend of mine was extremely kind enough to get me here to Gothenburg and to this book fair. So I was very happy for that. And this alternative book fair was supposed to be at the same time as the big book fair. But just a few days, they didn't even dare to write the address for where it was going to be until a few days before and only to people who are bought tickets because they had been harassed and so on. Then just a few days before it happened, the authorities and the police just shut it down, same because of security problems. They couldn't guarantee the safety. So they just cancel it. Let's talk about this for a second, because I think that freedom of speech is becoming a huge issue for people in the United States. And many of our viewers aren't quite sure. You were born in Denmark, right? Raised in Sweden and now live in Spain. But a lot of people in the United States don't know anything about Sweden. There is freedom of speech. It is a country. Well, if we know that. But what I'm getting at is if we truly have freedom of speech, even if this group is extreme right wing, there could be a Nazi book fair. And that should be allowed. And people can look at that and say, I disagree with those Nazis and walk away. We're not intended to shut down speech that we dislike. That's not freedom of speech. Well, they have their excuse, you know, security. And we have the police and that cost money. But I would suggest like, OK, so if they claim that the right extremist, other ones, arranging the book fair, the these right extremists would be indoors, not dangerous for the public. They would be in there all of them, having whatever their discussions or whatever they had. That would not be a security issue. So why are they so worried about security? Then they would fear normal people being outside throwing rocks at them, which they won't. A suite will not throw a rock. Right. They will get slightly irritated, not showing it, or they will be furious, but still not showing it. But put a bumper sticker on the car saying, I'm mildly irritated. Right. And note down in the washing room saying, that's where they can really get angry down in the basement where they're right. They can't see them. They can't see them. They can't really nasty notes. But otherwise than that. So what's the whole thing about shutting it down due to, and then they say, we had to focus more on public events, like sport events and stuff like that. And this was a private thing, so I'm sorry. But this is what I called the Nice World Order. It's very cute on the surface and very ugly underneath. And once you start challenging it, that's when the ugly face comes up. And then you have beautiful police officers who have no idea that they're being manipulated and used. They're just doing their job. They're being told, go there, stop. Go on. Yes. I have nothing else to police and so on. The safe was, well, the security police, I'm sure many of them are nice people and so on, but they're being used to shut us down. Right. And so that's the key really to a lot of these type of operations is the compartmentalization, because a lot of people would say that three of us are conspiracy theorists. We've heard that, I think, all our lives, due to since you wrote this book and came out, telling the story of yourself and Lee Harvey Oswald, the romance. I can't even recognize myself from the descriptions of myself from some of these people. Blind is a bat comes to mind. But conspiracy theorists is definitely. Definitely something that we've each been accused of. Yes. But that is a CIA term. It was created after the Kennedy assassination. It started 64. 67, it was in full bloom. They weaponized this word to be used against any critic of the official story. And it's a perfect sign up because conspiracy, yeah, true. But that is a term that is used in any court in the American so conspiracy actually means breathing together. But it's been turned into a legal term where it's like conspiracies when two or more people are involved in planning or doing criminal acts. Which happens all the time. All the time. You make a tax fraud. It's a conspiracy of fraud. You know, like, when you're conspiracy right here because they're creating a stalking. And I'm just firing to make a video. Yeah. But in other words, if someone hires someone to kill someone else, that's conspiracy to commit murder. Yeah. So if we were to get evidence and form a theory about a crime, anyone doing that is a conspiracy theorist. But when they add the word theory or theories, that's what they do is they add the doubt. And then you can be disregarded. And then they add the tinfoil hat and you become a joke. See, scientifically speaking, a theory means something that hasn't been proven. Right. So there you are. So if you're a conspiracy theorist, you says that Leosval didn't kill Kennedy, then you're trying to prove something that you maybe that can't prove. That's absolutely not the case. But as Oli has just pointed out, it's been a very effective operation in terms of convincing people that the most people don't even know the definition of the truth. We have downloaded these files saying that we're going to do this. We're going to create this term conspiracy theorist and use it. And what I've observed is that people in the United States today, if you say something that they think is false, they'll say, well, that's just a conspiracy. They've changed the meaning. They've changed people's understanding of the meaning of the word to, if you talk about the death of Vince Foster in certain companies, people will just say, well, that's conspiracy. You're a conspiracy guy. Yeah, conspiracy. In other words, if you don't follow the official version, I don't want to call it anything but the version. So that's pushed that word version. That's having the official version of version doesn't necessarily mean it's true. So that's how we can counter this idea about conspiracy theory. For people version theorists. Yes. I see myself more as like an self-educated forensic detective. I agree. That's what I do. And the reason I do it is because the official ones are not doing it. And you've pointed out so many uncanny similarities between these vastly different events, the assassination of Olaf Palme, the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the assassination of Martin Luther King. I know you're doing this world tour with the new presentation. Can you share any details with us about the King assassination and how it relates to some of the other false flag operations? I wish I was going to do a world tour. I'm really, I would very much like to do a world tour. It's European tour. Yeah, I'm now in Sweden. I'm going to go to Holland. I'm going to go to Denmark and back to Spain. The thing is, I'm doing, I'm like a one-man band with a small little team around me, a beautiful team, trying to do my absolute utmost in showing the truth. I mean, I'm not interested in it. Yes, so it was a follower, it's okay. Yeah, but still. You don't brag on yourself anymore. It's not a matter of bragging. It's a matter of, if you want to do a tour, that takes a lot of effort and finances, airplane tickets. It's not easy to do these things. And most of the time, I have to say no, because I just can't get from point A to point B. So somebody like this time, this beautiful guy, Johnny here in Gothenburg, he said, well, I'll sponsor you. I'll get you the ticket. Boom, I'm here. There you go. Magic happens. And it's like, what I, one of the things I've done is every single time there's been a theory, no, not conspiracy theory, but a alleged terror attack. Like, please note the word alleged terror attack in Europe. I've tried to go there, and I've been to more or less all places with undercover camera filming on location. What happened? Who did it? And what are they up to now? Exactly. Because you got the official version of a lone crazy Muslim, I have never, ever encountered one real Muslim terrorist. I have found state-sponsored terrorism carried out by the NATO, Gladio, the US intelligence agencies, CIA, Mossant, boss, Sep, working together. All-base. What a boss. Boss was the old South African secret service, or secret police. See, it's interesting that you mentioned them all as working in concert, because that's important to observe. I've, see, it's really amazing for me to be sitting here with the two of you, because I remember watching the episode of the Discovery Channel, the men who killed Kennedy, where you were introduced. And I was just amazed by the story. And as I've come to know you and read your book, Me and Lee, which, of course, people should purchase the book. Do it, do it, do it, read it, and to support Judith, and to support the conference. And to get to the truth of what really happened, Lee was really, he said it himself that he was a patsy, but in many ways, the JFK assassination was the modern false flag that started it all. And some of the same people remain in the law. The pattern has not changed much, because these people really aren't that original. If something works, they just keep using it. Yes. And they're using, I believe, old Roman templates. And it's the same template. Old templates? It goes all the way back to the Romans. The same old historical way of doing. For example, when you hear about how Julius Susie was killed, right, you don't hear any of the names of the senators that killed him, all you hear about is Brutus, the one. See, I mean, it's just like that, that pattern. The patsy. The patsy, yeah. Well, of course, he did stab him. But it's too brutal. But that's the only one. Where are the other names? Where are the names of all the other senators? Creacist's dramatic story, doesn't it? Yeah, but it's also a matter of, through all times, there's always been a small little group that have elected themselves as being better than the rest of us, wanting to turn the rest of us into slaves and to be able to control us and use us and abuse us and whatever. But they've been few. We've been many. So how to do it? The old Romans, they had in Rome, they had this massive empire without internet, without phones, without all of it. How do you control them? How can you control millions if you, of you? How did they do it? They were in the Cyop, Cyop's and through fear. And by creating outer enemies, so that we will fear out there and look for protection there. So it's been, and then the people that have been standing up against these self-elected elites, as they call them, so have been eliminated, targeted. And so you will see in modern times, most of the people that have been killed are beautiful people that have been standing up for what is true and right. Beauty, harmony, compassion, forgiveness, all of these things. These ones, other ones, getting their brains blown out. And then in times of that, also, traders try where heroes hang. Right. I love that expression. I do too, Olai. And as you're saying it, I'm watching Judith the pain coming over your face. I can tell you're thinking about Lee. You know, all the things that happened to him, if anybody knew who he was really like, they would be as outraged and ill-upset as I am. He was working to try to save President. He was a hero, if that's had to be in one. Yes. It's really shocking to drive around modern Dallas and see all the Lyndon Johnson freeway and this and that. That stuff should all be named Lee-Ars. There's not even an alleyway named for Lee Uswald, or Lee, listen to me, how I'm going. Name for JFK. Lee Uswald thought so much of Kennedy that he kept a magazine on his coffee table all the time with his picture on it. He told when little baby Patrick Kennedy died and Lee had heard about how Kennedy wept, you know, because his little baby had died of high, of the lung disease because he was premature. Lee called me on the phone and he was crying. Did you know that little Patrick has died? How horrible this must be to lose yet another child for this wonderful family. So I mean, if you could think that he could possibly murder, if you only knew all that he went through to try to save the President and that's why they had to murder him right on television. I know it sounds improbable. It sounds ridiculous that this man that they said was grinning. You see these pictures and grinning when he's in handcuffs. I have blown these pictures up so people can see the frown that they made into a smile with Photoshop type techniques, you know. Lee Uswald was wearing a marine ring when he was arrested that says, sympathy always faithful. Why would he be wearing a marine ring where the Marines against the President? This man joined the Marines. He was only 16 years old. He tried to and he couldn't. So they had to wait till it was 17. And he went through boot camp and everything. When I tried to put on Wikipedia that Lee got his GED while he was in the Marines in three minutes, it was erased. They just say that he dropped out of high school and joined the Marines. I just tried to add one sentence that Lee Uswald, you know, got his GED in the Marines. It was gone in three minutes in a few days. My biography on Wikipedia was gone. Even though my paintings sell like for five and $6,000 and so on, all over the world I've been an author for books and everything, I'm not on Wikipedia except as a conspiracy theorist. Right. There's someone who gets to decide who is and who is not a conspiracy theorist. So let's talk a bit because this concept that, you know, the heroes versus the villains and who decides who is what? So many people because of the news and what's now become history just have and just an inherent dislike for Lee because he was sold to the world as this villain who assassinated Kennedy. Now last night, Ole was talking to us about some of the people that evidence seems to reveal were involved in the assassination of Martin Luther King and one of them was Jesse Jackson, who most people feel is a hero of the civil rights movement and a politician who, by all measures, was at one point thought he was gonna be the first black president. It's a shock to learn these things about Jesse Jackson. And frankly, when I heard it, this man's alive. This man has gone and tried to broker peace deals and so on. So you, it can be shocking, but how do you get the position where you can help to broker peace deals? Where does he stand with that kind of position? How did he get there? How did he get there? I just wanna say that for me, I track down criminals. I'm not interested in politics. I track them down. It doesn't matter. Blue, red, Sikh, Muslim, Christian Jews. I do not care. I go for the individuals, their actions, their words, and so on. And try to expose what actually happened because these are national traumas or global traumas that have sort of put us in this fierce spell. And so what happened? And what would the world look like? Had these people not been taken out? What would the world look like? Had Martin Luther King been left alive. Robert Kennedy, I believe he was gonna be president. King was gonna be vice president. That would have been unbelievable. It would have been unbelievable. The JFK had been living Malcolm X, Gandhi of all people, if he had been left alive. So the world has definitely changed because of the death and the determination of these individuals, the slaughter of these individuals. And so when it comes to Jesse Jackson, black, white, I don't care whatsoever. And I've been only looking at their participation, the involvement, how they did it. And it was absolutely not Jesse Jackson that pulled the trigger. He was just one figure in the whole setup of how to set him up. One other one. I mean, these are the type of people you call traitors in a drama. Another one is a reference Samuel Billy Kyle's who died a year ago. But you had a number of quotes from him that were... Not quotes, recordings. Of him, same as the word. That's the thing. When the ego gets too big, the year passes, you start forgetting. What you're not supposed to say. What you're not supposed to say. And he even Samuel Billy Kyle's, he even says, quote, on film, came with Stanny here. And I was standing there. And only as I walked away to give him a free shot. A clear shot. A clear shot. The shots rang out. Right. He said, but that's only one or many... Because suggestive that he knew the position of the sniper and that it was going to happen. He wasn't even on the balcony, and that's another one. His whole story is an absolute lie. But he was part of a ranging to get King in position before the timing, the location, where to shoot, where it's what close to where, so that the sniper teams knew which one to take out and which one not. And so on. And I've done international interviews on international radio about this before. I pinpointed Jesse Jackson big time. It's been spread around the internet. Jesse Jackson pointed out, I'm not the only one. Also William Pepper, the lawyer of the James O'Rea, I mean, it's thanks to him that a lot of this information is out there. So it voted his life. So it's the text. Yeah, he's been... Pepper has been... Yes. Yes. My God, he's been... He's been the lawyer. Yeah, he's been... He's also the lawyer for Siddharthan Siddharthan, the guy that is totally innocent of the Robert Kennedy assassination. And I have a parallel thing to tell you about Liyas who's called in the Texas Theater. Everybody knows that police came in there and Liyas will try to shoot the policeman and they beat him up and took him out, you know. And he said, this is it and all that. And I suppose they burn if they murder you. And all these are police quotes. Then we find an early transcript of what this policeman, his name is Dick Donald walked. He said, I came approached Oswald with my gun, drawn. Wow. Well, wait a minute. How the official story is that he reached toward Liyas was belt and Lee was drawing his gun and they fought over the gun. But it looks like he was reaching down with the gun. He had drawn and he was going to shoot him in the stomach and make it pretend he was trying to fight with Lee to get the gun. So you have all these things. Now, wait a minute. There's more. We are told that he killed officer Tippet and then fled into the Texas theater. And in fact, somebody saw somebody fleeing but two people were arrested. One went out the back door, one went out the front door. They both looked very similar to each other and the people who saw the man go out the back door with police thought that was Lee Oswald from photographs. It was not. This is a, and it passed there. I know it sounds crazy, but the really Oswald, which burrows who was running the movie and selling popcorn. He can't sell popcorn and run the movie at the same time. He's selling the popcorn before the movie starts. So Lee Oswald, a bag of popcorn. And yes, he did. And then Lee has got the popcorn and says this, when he was being sold to popcorn, that's when the Warren Commission said that JD Tippet was shot by Lee Oswald, six tenths of a mile away. This is from testimony from, what's the gentleman's movie? His name is butch burrows, but he's not the only one. Others saw him in the theater. Why would Lee buy the popcorn? I mean, he's going to the theater. Well, I believe he bought the popcorn. He's a CIA cons. Yes, but he has to look normal and natural. I see. But he did. He moved from seat to seat. They're only like eight people that were in there. He sat next to each one. Why would he do that? The last one was a pregnant woman. She got up, of course, and he was sitting next to me. Got out of there. He was trying to identify the content to tell him what to do. So yes, this was a contact. And we know this because of suppressed evidence. You can find it in the Dallas police files. Two sets of half dollar bills. Two half dollar bills. They have them too. Now here's what. The police have it in evidence. They have it, but it's, you never see it in the regular evidence files. You have to go to the Dallas police to see it. Wow. So he would take a bill, rip it, or someone would give him half of a torn bill. And someone in the theater has the matching half. I have these files. I mean, the idea is he meets the person. You put it together. OK, you're my partner. Well, as you know, he's going to sit next to someone. He's going to wait. He's not going to go and show the bill. Yeah, right. He's going to wait until they have to offer the bill. He has had two of them. So there had to be like two meetings that were going to be set up. Not only that, he had a box top too. And the box. Yes. These things. These things. Yes. And somebody would have the other side of it, like the panel or something. So Lee taught you quite a bit about trade crafts. Yes. He taught me how to make invisible ink and all sorts of things. And he had a pedometer. How many people had pedometers back in 1963? Yeah, Fitbit wasn't out yet. And not only that, he had a telescope. He had a microscope. He had the menop's camera. Oh, no. He said, you know, what CIA said, FBI said, what am I? He didn't have a menop's camera. He had a menop's camera case. He had a menop's light meter. He had the menop's film. But he didn't have a menop's camera. What? Right. I saw the menop's camera. We've seen the pictures of the menop's camera. The menop's camera is so small, you could hide it in the handle of a wrench. Right. You know, it takes pictures. He was very good at smuggling, as we've been mentioning in my book, Kennedy and Oswald, The Big Picture, which we hope will get reprinted soon. And we pull all this together. And we found out, we found an Israeli family that were very happy because they had Elvis records. They got the Elvis records from Lee Oswald, who smuggled the men from America to the USSR. This man was only barely, he was still 19 years old by a couple of days when he entered the Soviet Union supposedly as a defector. I met this supposed defector walking around a free man at the height of the Cold War with a Soviet wife and a little kid. He'd been there 30 months and he is living a normal life that's impossible. Yeah. Let me give you an example. I like to tell people this because they get an idea. Imagine today, if you have a young man, he's 19 years old and he goes to the American Embassy there in South Korea. It says, I'm going to the North Koreans. I'm going to tell him everything I know about all those missiles that we have that we can go and punish them with if they bother us. And when I get there, you know, I'm going to tell him everything. Then 30 months later he comes back and just gets a job in America and nothing happens to him. Do you think that's possible? With the North Korean wife. With the North Korean wife. Or someone joining ISIS or something. It's even I'm saying. It's absolutely impossible. So when I met him and I'd already known some people, I was very involved with anti-caster stuff. I had dated Tony Lopez Friske, who was the castor's finance minister's son. I knew a lot of occupant and I had to go to New Orleans early. But the point is, is when I met him, I knew that he was a hero. I knew it. Lee, you knew him. Absolutely. And you've met. There's no possible way. You've met Raphael Cruz as well. This is very controversial. Fortunately, I have a degree in anthropology of a certain particular type. It includes forensic anthropology, like you can take a skull and rebuild the face. I couldn't miss it. Lee wanted me to know who this man was because he was protecting him. The first time that Lee put out pamphlets and all that, he almost got himself really beat up. So the second time they, yeah, it's Fair Play for Cuba Committee. All of that was to help Farad out castor of spies. It's a long story. And that's obvious. I mean, again, it goes back to, if someone went and stood in the middle of time, square handing out joint ISIS flyers in the middle of the day, you just wouldn't be able to do it. And it mean to be handing out pro-communist literature in the middle of the street in New Orleans in 1963. That is the song. Well, they wanted to shut that down. Of course, he was doing it on purpose. But the people that you see who took them, it didn't throw them away most of them. They threw them away. They would follow those people who took them away. They followed them and they found out where they were going. We know at least two of them were arrested and deported. One of them was planted with drugs. They beat him up and said he was a drug deal. One of the people who received the literature from Lee. Because he actually went to where the meetings were supposed to be held. There was never a meeting held. There was never a list of members. There was never, like it says, luxuries come here. He went there and he got arrested. Wow. So that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. I mean, they followed before he got there and did that so that Lee would be safe. So Lee was working. So this was just down the road. What's that? You would just down the street. Down the road, weren't you? And one of them went up the pamphlets. All right. So the second time I'm there, I delivered a batch of flyers. Lee had saves and flyers for me. Because he knew they all get messed up by this fake interaction that he had to get attention to the police. He'd never thought he was going to get arrested. He thought it was just going to be an interaction. They actually arrested him. And that's a story in itself because the way he comported himself with the police, we have Francis Martello, who was the detective there with the police. And he said, he told the Warren Kibish, I would bet my head on a chopping block that this man would never have shot the president. So Lee told me of an incident that happened while he was at the, they had really, they had hurt him. And he said, honey, don't be upset about that because they think I'm a communist. They're just being patriotic. He wasn't angry at them. And that impressed Martello. He saw that Lee did not get angry at any of the, they were punching him and pinching him and other things. And then when they put him in a cell with some really bad guys and thought he would, he did just fine with them, OK? But they gave everybody their food that night. And they gave Lee a history of food. And they scooped up a handful of dirt and roaches and stuff and sprinkled it right on top of this food. And Lee said, ah, roach alamog. So I mean, he had such a good sense of it. He was so martelosus, I would bet my head on a chopping block this man would not get emotional and all that and go and shoot the president. They couldn't even get him to be upset at them. Wow. But you let them put the crews. So about crews. So Lee had been arrested. He doesn't want to get arrested again. So this time, but he still wants to hand out pamphlets. And so they put him in front of the trademark this time. And Lee said, I want you to know I have protection this time. And he said, I want you to see him. His name is Rafael L.O. You never told me the last name. And he also called him Angel. The Archangel, his protection. Well, Rafael was an Archangel, you know, in the concourse of angels if you want to talk about it like that. So he said, just, I just want you to walk close to him and see his face because I have a terrible memory for faces. He said, I just want you to see my guardian angel as the way he put it, you know. So I did. I walked close. And because of my training, I've had in forensic anthropology. I couldn't miss this long nasal, you know, from here to here as little label. Oh, my goodness, it's so long for him. Sloping shoulders. The ears set a certain particular way, which are really in the unique airline. Everything I'd or I have had training to understand. When I saw his photo in the newspaper, and on the internet and everything like that, along with his very fine young son, you know, Senator and all that, that was him. I had to tell people, yes, I knew it was him. So that was Cruz. And yes, he fled to Canada when the Word Commission report came out. Well, I think it was when Jim Garrison saw this painting. Well, Jim Garrison, I thought so too, but I think it was when right after the Word Commission report came out. It's strange, though, that no one's asked Raphael Cruz about what he knows. I mean, immediately Donald Trump was called a racist by Hillary Clinton for pointing out that there he is with Lee Harvey Oswald. And you hadn't even seen the photo of the motorcade. Well, you've probably seen the photo many times. But just last night. I never saw that part of it. I pointed out to you that he's standing right there. He's having shock. There he was. It's him. Yeah, it's him. So here we have an eyewitness who's met the man. The guy is still alive. The president of the United States has said he's concerning with the person at the official store. You see the fact that the batter is actually Cruz is a good guy. He's helping. He's an FBI informant. He's working. This is an FBI sting project to try to pick up anti-castro. I mean, pro-castro spies. Well, good or not. The point is he knows something that we need to ask him about. Well, I'd love to meet him face to face. And maybe he can't remember. Oh, he was sure. I'm sure he can remember. All right. So Lee was involved with anti-castro operations. And he was in the training film. And he was in all these other things. The CIA training film. Absolutely. Absolutely. And Robert Tannenbaum also saw this film. I saw segments of it. And we've. Where did you see it? Lee Hadett? Well, David Ferry was involved with a lot of the training that was going on out there as well. He was a well-known pilot. He was a mafia. He had mafia connections. Mafia wanted to get the castro as well. Mafia and CIA were working together in New Orleans and helping at this one point. And they were training him Guatemala. They were training him other places. But there had some special training going on in near Lake Pontchartrain. I know exactly where the spot is. I've had people. I've true them out there because it's a particular area. You can see from the film, I saw the parts I saw in the film, Megan Cain Grass growing in near the lake. You can see the boundaries. Where exactly did you see the film? Where was it? I was at David Ferry's house. If you read the book, me and Lee, you'll find out why I was there. It's rather complex to talk about. I had a chance to be there one evening. Usually that wasn't true. They were there splicing together film from that they had taken out there of the training, everybody training, over a period of several weekends that Lee was out there. And he called me. He said, you know, they called me Jay. This is good because other times if David Ferry said Jay, they probably thought it was a guy. So you know, it didn't realize it was a girl. Anyway, I was called out. The other person there, I now know is David Morales. It's really important. Anybody knows about this. David Morales was there. I didn't know all the tellers. It was there at David Ferry's apartment. Yes, he was there with him. This is a big guy. And what I didn't understand, the house committee had a picture of Morales. It never showed the scar over his eyebrow. And here, when I finally saw a picture just a few months ago, there he is. It was shocking to me. I had actually seen this man. Anyway, he was there involved with the film as well. So they're splicing together different forces. And Lee showed me, well, when I, Tannenbaum, Robert Tannenbaum, had also seen this film, all of it apparently, which I didn't get to see all of it. But what's interesting and fascinating to me, at least, is that he wanted, it came in from Georgetown. And there are many reasons why Georgetown would have been able to get hold of this film. One way is that Bobby Kennedy, when Lee was speaking at Mobile in Mobile, Alabama, right, when they were making this training film, Bobby Kennedy sent down the priest. This priest became the confidant of Jackie Kennedy. And there are all kinds of papers that they tried to stop from being released. Same man. It's the same man. And he was there and brought back information. Bobby Kennedy knew that their efforts to kill Castro, when he was involved in really one of his brother to know that much about it. That was through the State Department. I know this because Lee told me how Bobby Kennedy had this group of investigators out at Royal Castle. And if you read my book, you'll see how I got there. The Royal Castle's watching Carlos Marcelo. Bobby Kennedy hated Marcelo. So he's watching him. He's got him surveilled. And because of the connection between Bobby Kennedy and his group there and Lee was involved with that group, Bobby Kennedy knew who Lee Oswald was. We have some evidence to State Department. It's the one that got him out of there. Because when the administration changed from Eisenhower to Kennedy, they weren't giving all the information about who were their fake defectors and who were the CIA people. It weren't cooperating. And let's talk about that for a second. Because a lot of this, again, some people might watch this discussion and say, you know, these guys are talking about ancient history, but we're talking about a pattern that remains in place today. It is a pattern. Because the CIA's interest in Cuba and in killing Castro, Castro wanted to nationalize all of the assets in Cuba, the oil, the sugar and the casinos. And the mafia and the CIA were basically plundering Cuba as a money laundering operation to generate and clean black funds to fund their black operations. And you, Ola, I apologize. I didn't have you on camera, but you had a visceral reaction when Judy mentioned David Morales. David Morales. Because he part of Operation 40. God, yeah, you can say that again. And he is their associate with Lee Oswald Pretend he'd alike him, maybe his friend. And he was really a traitor, okay? Who was he? Murder Morales, oh my God. Right here. Because Operation 40 was going around the world and basically conducting these extrajudicial assassinations. Not at that time. They would create it early in the early 60s, it was Eisenhower that was given that Eisenhower gave the task to Richard Nixon to create this also secret hit team called, and it went under the name of Operation 40. And the time was given. I think they argue about that. They say it doesn't exist in all the cities. God, it exists. I think I spent years revealing this. Sorry. It's been revealed now that it's been... I've done everything for the last five, six years. I'm saying it's been declassified. It's known that it existed. It's out there. Anyway, so they would David Adley Phillips, E Howard Hunt, Ted Shackler with the three people that were given the task to create this thing from Richard Nixon. And the paymaster for this team of assassins was George Bush Sr. as a young man, C. Operator. And David Morales, they recruited mostly ex-acubans down in Miami to use this as a mobile unit to whatever problem they had globally, just go there, take them out. And so there was one group of assassins about 20. There was another group that were really good at extortion, blackmailing, whatever. So depending on what they needed, they were just using these people. And David Morales was a key person. He was a key individual in the JFK assassination. He was at the ambassador hotel when Robert Kennedy was killed, a key one and that one. He was the guy that was together with Felix Rodriguez. Very close associate to George Bush Sr. his whole career that was also a key person in Operation 40 took out Che Guevara down in Bolivia. Yeah. And it just goes on and on. These were brutal, brutal individuals. They were also then central in Operation Phoenix in Vietnam. They were sent there, Shackler and his boys. They were also down in South America and these different coup d'etats and where they were training. I end up in the United States. So why did the HSCA put in a photo of Morales that you can hardly recognize him? They're doing that all the time of these operatives. They want confusing photos, even just let me know. Because if I'd seen the scar, I would have recognized him. Even just last week when we had this Dr. Christine Blassey Ford, first of all, they're referring to her, not as Dr. Ford, not as Christine Ford. Sometimes she's Christine Blassey. Sometimes she's Christine Ford. We saw a GoFundMe page pop up with a picture of a woman who's not her. There were so many things done to distract, to every person who might recognize this person and say, hey, wait a minute, I know them. Anytime they have an opportunity to obfuscate or to draw attention away from them, that's what they want to do. And just for a moment. Do that were they, you're UCFOOT, aren't they? Who are they? That's what I wanted to get to. Because I don't know that Eisenhower sat down and said, let me create an evil team of psychopaths. I believe Eisenhower, as a general, said, you know, War as Hell. And what if we could have a clandestine team that could go around affecting international policy without creating these dramatic wars that kill millions? It could have been been born of something kind of. And I don't believe at all that it was Eisenhower's idea either. These other guys can do it. It's the other one. The ones that put Eisenhower as president, are the ones that got this. So these are just players on a lower level. And these head cleaners or were the mechanics that are called, they were just like doing it on a street level and absolutely not where the order came from. They were just like operatives and assassinations, murder, and corporate it, is the way for them to deal with problems. You stand in their way, you get killed. Or is it still happening today? It's still happening. And like this operation 40, we were talking about the CIA and so on. Porter Goss was one of them. And he was elected the director of the CIA right at 9-11. And then he left right, oh, the deputy director of the CIA. Yes. At the time of 9-11, then got kicked out. But that's, he came from a group of assassins getting all the way up there. Why? Because of George Bush and the whole thing around him. Bush used these assassins. His whole career taking out people. They were central in the watergate. He was talking about using assassins to, because you talk Americans and listening to this, it's really shocking for them to hear this. So you need to moderate, explain a little bit more, I think. What would you like to explain to you? Well, first of all, remember, he always denied that he was even associated with the CIA. H.S.A. Bush did. Who? Who? George H.S.A. Bush. But at the same time, he suddenly becomes the director with no experience, right? And we also have a declassified memo from J. Edgar Hoover, requesting that some piece of information be sent to George Bush. Right, well, they're trying to say that was another George. Of course, nobody knows who that is. It is. And we also have a photograph of a guy who looks kind of exactly like George Bush. Now, they're making me nail it, because again, I told you I've been trained in forensic anthropology and how people stand and weigh your hips or put together the way your knee joints are put together, you name it. There aren't many people who stand the way he stands. And it's happened to put in his hands in his pocket the way he always did. It's simply symbolic of who this man is that even the statue has been made with his hand in his pocket, you know? Right. And of course, Fletcher Proudi identified who was the general that was walking past the three tramps. Well, you're talking about Langedale. Yes, Proudi said that's Langedale right there in the photo. He recognized him. He was walking. He recognized his ring. He used to work with him. And so it was for me to recognize him. He's not that difficult, you know, if you know someone. Well, when Lee Oswald saw Jerry Heming, he saw him from the back, but it wasn't that hard, because he's very successful. It's 5.5 and a half. You know, with boots on, I find it 6.7. Now, the other thing that I found really fascinating last night, Oli, was that you identified Umbrella man by name. Roy Hartgraves. I'd never heard him in my name before. Yeah. And the guy in front of him, the waving cube, and he's sometimes called, who stands and slows down them. I think the reason he steps out in the street is partly to slow down the motor cage even more. His name was Philippe Vidal Santiago, very close to Operation Pointer. Didn't they actually testify in everything at some point, or is there something that he else? But they were tied. You identified them last night as being tied to the Martin Luther King assassination. But we're talking about the same force taking out different individuals. They used, and one time I saw an interview with one people that were involved in international arm stealing and these type of operations. And he got the question, why are you using the same people? And he said, why change your winning team? Exactly. It's the same if you got a great dentist, would you go to someone else? If you have a great ill-excitition, you have a problem. I mean, you don't even have Frank Sturgis at the end there in Watergate and there on Hunt. You just have people there who they've been busy ever since the Kennedy assassination at least. Right. It was called the big event, the JFK assassination. No. And after that, they were sort of in the world of assassins. They were sort of lifted. They were the world series. Because all years, the thing that a lot of people don't know about the big event, which everybody is calling at that now. But that did in 2003, nobody was calling at that. I was filmed for many hours by Nigel Turner. But I said that the name of the office, that Lee told me it was the big event. And you can find it on minute 36 or something like that. So Lee knew they were planning to kill that? He used the name, the big event. And I put that out there. And a few years later, Hunt comes out and says the name of the up was the big event. That is helps a lot of people finally believe me that I really didn't only. And that Lee was involved with these things. Oh, because you mentioned big event before. I before. So in the context, did Lee discuss the big event with you? Well, it was his last telephone call. He said that they've got this op going. And he said, when the big event happens, this is the way he put it. Everybody will know. This is a big event. What did he expect his role would be? That's a past. Well, here's the next. He knew he would be the best. Well, what happened? He saved Kennedy's life in Chicago. He said from then on, he was under suspicion. He believed that he would die and they would put a gun in his hands. He said that was just the digital kind of way that they would kill him. And they tried to do that. Martin Luther King, thing too, killed this time. Standard procedure. That's what they do. He knew that. So he told me he could do that. Explain what they tried to do with Martin Luther King. You take the pap team. You kill them and you put the weapon in their hand, the murder weapon. James Orre was intended to be killed. It's the standard procedure. The patsy get suicide. I mean, they want to close the case right away. Yeah. That's why it's a lone crazy guy alone because then there's no conspiracy. Crazy, then there's no motive. And so boom, he just went up, shot him. And then if that individual then is suicide it or dead or somebody shot them, you know, and they shot them. Then it's case close. Thank you, folks. Go back to sleep. Nothing to worry about anymore. That's all I'm saying, don't worry. So, I'm trying to be killed. I can't tell you. Lee told you he was going to be killed. He knew he was going to be killed. But there was nothing he could do. No where he could go. Why didn't he try to escape with him? He was trying to escape. They would kill all of us. And he would go to anyway. There's a very good girl. Small little children. Wow. But that is why he said here, really, when you think of it, he knew that he was going down. He was absolutely. He was not saying I'm CIA. If he had done that, he had been 30 months in the USSR. And he had contacts there that were with the CIA. They were spies for our country. Double agents in the US. That's right. Now imagine if he said I'm CIA, don't do this to me. All those people in the Soviet Union were no. They would have executed them all. They knew he wouldn't do that. All he could say is they brought me in because I was in the Soviet Union. He gave us a hint by saying that. But also what he knew, the people he had met, like his controller, David Atley Phillips, who later became the director of the Western Hemisphere of the COVID Operations. I mean, these are not low key players. No, these are very good. He had met them. He knew what he looked like. He even identified him. He finally identified all these people that say, oh, I knew this person or I knew that person by name. Actually, David Phillips went by some 40 or 50 different fake names. He gave Lee two close together, Benson and Benton. So Lee is suspicious. Finally, he meets him with Vesiana as Bishop. Well, now he knows he's being given fake names. Only knew the very end. He finally tells me he found out who he was because he traced him to Fort Worth and that's where David Atley Phillips lived. He knew finally and got a glimpse of him. He knew it was him. So imagine if Lee had stayed alive and was allowed to talk and testify. He would have exposed Operation 40. He would have exposed both. She would have exposed all of these things. When you see these mock trials, this is what really irritates me. It makes me hate. He can't speak. But then mock trial would never have happened. You see, you have a grand jury first that has to bring a bill saying they are guilty. They should go to trial. He never would have gotten that far that planted guns. How can you find bullets in his pocket only after he's been frisked three times the next day? I mean, you finally find bullets in his pocket. How can you have what's he's supposed to have done to get away using a cab and a bus going the wrong direction that he had a bus transfer get this. It's not wrinkled. This thing has made a thin paper. I've used them myself. And yet he's supposed to be in a fight and they finally pull it out. There's not one wrinkle on it. But the giveaway is they never tested for fingerprints. They've tested for fingerprints, all the stuff he had. There's not a mark of silver nitrate on that whole thing. They do not because he never had a fingerprint and I never touched it. See, if all this fake evidence, it would have all been thrown out. Roger Craig would have testified. It was a mauser and never worked out. He was killed. His car exploded or something. But that was your thing. It never would have hit him. He never would have had a mock trial. In other words, it never had a trial. It would never have gone that far. But this is where we talk about conspiracy theories or conspiracies fact. Thanks. So you are suspected of doing a crime, a homicide. You're taking in, you're being frisked. The police go through everything. Then the very next day suddenly things appear from your pocket. Question, how the hell did that happen? Or how about the Palm Print? And that's not the gun case. There's so many of them. You have the rifle sent all the way to FBI laboratories. All right. They find no identifiable fingerprints. Until the FBI goes, it's the carer. They come back. He's now dead. He's been shot dead. All of a sudden you have the, it's the mortuary. Actually, it's the, it's the, there's a funeral home. The mortician has got him. He's got him in a coffin. Here they come. He says agents. He doesn't know who they are. But they spent four hours. People say, well, well, how could he spend four hours doing fingerprints? I'll tell you why. Because if you just take a fingerprint off there, put it on the gun like that. It's going to be fresh. But isn't the dead and the rigor mortis? Is that the case? No, no, the rigor mortis. It doesn't matter. That's, that's one of the giveaways. Because the palm print that's on the, on the rifle, it's not curved. It's flat. Rigor mortis. But there's more. The fact is the matter that took, because when you put that fingerprint down, they might want to use it somewhere. They did silicon on those fingers. And that takes a while to drive. They didn't spend four hours there just doing nothing. So they can put his fingerprints on our face? Anywhere they want. But I just want to say with my experience of looking into so many different cases, this is standard procedure. When people are innocent but being framed, this, you check out everything, nothing is found the day after. Suddenly lots of things are found, pointing at you. Meaning you're being set up. We've got here in Sweden, the assassination of Annalind, the guy that is blamed for the whole thing. He was taken into the police. They checked his clothes, everything they didn't find anything. And then the very next day suddenly, evidence started pointing out that was pointing to a motive for him killing her. And so these, and he's in prison, I would very much like look into this case because here we have another innocent individual. For example, they make it very unpleasant for you to look at evidence. For example, they said, we found Oswald's pubic hairs on his little baby daughter's blanket. It's pubic hairs. Sounds pretty gross. Now, then you find out that they went shaved as pubic hairs off. That's when they finally find them on the blanket. And why would they? And by the way, well think about this. Well, then later, Hoover says, look, he shaved down there, he must be a homosexual. Well, he should know. Well, the point is that actually you even shaved down there before it operation. So there are many ways that that area would have been cleaned of hairs. They also took a clunk of hair right in a very embarrassing place right out of the top of his head. They shaved part of his chest. They were humiliating him the whole time, as you can imagine. It's really disgusting. But I look, so I look in the 26 volumes, I find the picture of the pubic hairs here. There's Oswald's pubic hairs. Well, with their showing, here's one here, and here's one here, pubic hair here, from Oswald, and this is on the blanket. They don't show the ends, and they don't show the bulbs. They just show the stems in between now. All you can tell is from that is this Caucasian. That's it. If you have to have the curl tipped on the end to find out, it might be negroid instead of Caucasian. And the bulb on the other end is missing. If it fell out on the blanket, it wouldn't have been shaved. What did they sit on the blanket shave himself? So they will show the bulb. It would have been a bulb that they have the pubic hair. From the hair itself. Could you please explain to me what a pubic hair has to do with the assassination of the immigrant? Well, just trying to smear the guy out. Totally. Because they said the blanket was used to wrap Oswald's hair, but it wasn't. It wasn't one fiber from the blanket on the rifle. And it had it had a heavy duty sticky stuff called a cosmoline on it. That's what they kept these rifles from rusting that were very old. Even if you try and wipe it all off, there's always something sticking. There wasn't one darn hair from the blanket. It was supposed to be wrapped in for 55 days at least. Stuck to the rifle. This rifle is supposed to be wrapped in a blanket, sitting on the floor for 55 days in the Pains Garage. And Leos will just sit there until the last minute. I had never heard about this piece of evidence, but it becomes relevant with what's going on this week in that you take a crime that's so horrendous. In this case, the murder of John Kennedy, or in the case of Judge Kavanaugh, an alleged rape. So the crime is so horrendous and evokes such a strong emotional response from people that the presumption of innocence goes right out the window. Lee Harvey Oswald was never granted the right to being presumed innocent until proven guilty. In our in 10 minutes after the assassination, they filled out a form saying that he was going to be, get this. I mean, this is before Kennedy's body has even gotten out of, just gotten an error out of Dallas. And already they're saying he's the only one that committed the murder of John F. Ken. It was obviously not an investigation. The information about Lee Oswald was already printed in New Zealand. Yes. We had to be very careful about that. And because of their various arguments. So, it gets very complex. It's very complicated about when this was printed, how long it took printed. I like to go to where we have some facts that they can't argue about at all. But wasn't that a Fletcher proud thing? It was a Fletcher proud thing. That was proud of you. Saw that in King's Church. Yeah. And it looks Christ Church. Christ Church. Yes, Christ Church. And it looks very good to me. But they have some species arguments against it, you know. So. I mean, again, when you run into these things that maybe on their own aren't... It's when you pile them up. Yeah. They're not like prima fascia evidence on their own. But is there... I mean, so many people will say, oh, well, there's a lot of coincidences. OK. Well, how about the fact that they find a white jacket? They say that Lee Oswald discarded on his way running away. All right. After shooting Tipit, that lead never owned a white jacket. I know this. I know. He had a gray jacket, OK? And he had another jacket. I can't quite remember whether it was a bluish jacket. He never had a white jacket. And then, of course, his size medium. He wore size small. And it had tags in it that had been dry cleaned when he always had washed all his jackets. It didn't seem like a dry cleaning kind of guy. Well, he dry cleaned his tie and had a fit, because he charged in life for 25 cents, was like 250 today. Jason, can I just give you an example? Please do. Because if you look into different of these top political assassination, which is what I've spent half my life doing, so one of them that I looked into a lot is the all of parliament, the Swedish prime minister, that a lot of people are not aware of. I tell you, massive case. And it's the most expensive murder investigation ever in the history of the world. Still ongoing. They found absolute zero. I've written this book. It's about 1,000 pages in two volumes. Now, this is the Swedish version, of course. But people can go to lightonconspiracies.com and buy it in English. You can buy it in English. It's called Kudita in slow motion. And names, details. I mean, it is all here, all here, compared to the official story that is more or less still there. Wasn't the past, it wasn't. So, OK, that's a very, very good question. I'll just give you a little example when we look into evidence and how it's treated. We're talking, it's only the prime minister of Sweden. So it's not just a hobo that, well, sorry about the evidence we, whatever, I'm not saying that there's different values of life. But then again, it's a national, massive trauma. And so the official story is that the killer was waiting for all of parliament his wife. He went up behind them, boom, fired a three-fifth salmon magnum. The bullet went straight through the body, killed the prime minister right away. Then he fired a second shot at his wife. But she was drawn down in the fall and turned around like that, the bullet passed and just touched her back and disappeared. So a three-fifth to seven magnum is make my day dirty, hairy, but with a shorter barrel, more or less. It was the most powerful hang on more. In the world at the time. So you look at here is where he was killed. So where did the bullets go? You speak to forensic technicians and weapon experts. They say it would go like miles. It would like kilometers down the road. Or it would hit something and it would go ricochet or whatever. So where did they find the bullets? They did not find the bullets at first. The area was caught enough, very small, very, very small. There were a technical team there. They were sweeping up the snow, everything around the area. The only thing they found half a button. So the first bullet was found the day after. So where was it found? In the direction where it was fired? I mean, I'm not even enough to think. If you shoot that way, the bullet should be found there. You would think. No, the first bullet was found in that angle on the other side of the street. More or less intact on top of a hill of snow, a little. How was it found? It would be on top of snow. It would melt through. But not only that, how the hell did it have 40 meters without any impact? It hadn't hit anything. Who found it? This is where the important thing. Also, many times, witnesses eye witnesses are connected to either media, theatre or film type of things. So often, but most of the time, media. Here, how was it found? It was found by an Indian freelance journalist with connections to Indian military intelligence who was sitting at home. Oh my God, all of Palm has been killed. I quote, this is not me making it up. So he said, I want to help. He took a train in, he went around in Stockholm. It was early morning and he put himself in trance. So his name was Alfredo del Tavadas. He's dead now. He said, where's the bullet? Where is the bullet? So he wondered around like that, with closed eyes, where is the bullet? Where is the bullet? And then he said, there is the bullet. And he pointed straight to the bullet. That was amazing. What do you mean, ridiculous? Look at that fact. Anyway, so he gave it to a police officer, bullet one. Bullet two on the crime scene. So we're talking about the most powerful handgun in the world, pass through the body of all of Palm. Hit bones and stuff. So of course, so where did it go? Did it go in the direction? Where did it go? Well, they found it, I think it was 34 hours later, behind a concrete pillar, seven meters from where he died. Wow. That is pretty amazing. It's just the most important. How did they happen? They haven't even been able to prove that these bullets, or the projectiles, came from the same gun. So what did they do? They sent it to the lab. And the lab thought, let's clean them. So they washed them. Oh, no. Took away all kinds of, if there was any tissue on it. Then it was sent down to Vee's button in Germany, because they are really good at it. That is also where the CIA and different, really good at what, forensic investigation. Yeah. So a lot of experts, in that case, were calling from Germany, which in Vee's button, it's exactly where there's military, US military bases and the CIA in that area. Okay. So they sent them down there and do you know what happene