The New JFK Show #187 Stealing JFK's Autopsy Photos

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Welcome to the JFK Show number 187. We're gonna have Laira Vera running rough shot over the JFK community. Once again, we've been standing for years because it's been happening for years. And Lairie, I want you to introduce your new books. So go ahead. Well, Gary, thank you for the introduction. This is a project that's been ongoing for six years and I wanted to start the evening with the publication of the JFK horseman. And I have to thank because without Jim Fetcher and Dave Garry, this would have never been possible. Jim was the first one who believed in my research and gave me a chance. And I have a lot of the researchers out there asked me why hang out with Jim and say, hey, he's the one that gave me a chance. So, you know, forget it. You know, and so, you know, it's... Gary, look at what an absurd issue that is. You know, I promoted all the medical evidence. I published the book The Chatter to Cover Up. I was the first to take on the authenticity of the supporter film. I mean, I've supported Lyndon Johnson as a pivotal player. What the hell have I been wrong about that they should ask you why you should be associated with him? And three of the major books that have ever been published, murder and ditty plaza, assassination science, and they create subruer film hosts, you know, which are required reading for anybody who wants to, you know, research the JFK assassination, you know. So, you know, those are like required reading, you know, as far as I'm concerned. People who are saying those things to you are slackers or disinfo opt- I'm sorry to say Larry, you're just grossly ignorant about the true state of the nature of research. But I don't pay attention to them because, you know, we all know Mel and Gary's holding up the fourth, the latest JFK who, how and why to which you yourself have made contributions. Yeah, and, you know, this latest, you know, like I said, you know, this has been a six year project where I bring up together all the information that I have worked on over the years. And I thank Jim, you know, for, you know, actually putting together the table of contents and the continuity of the book. And I just wanted to mention that this style and the layout that we present defies convention because it offers the reader the images of the actual documents that are cited in key discussions throughout the book. For example, a lot of times you read all these JFK books and they give you the references and the Bidembo back at the end of the book. So a lot of times you have to go physically and I don't know about you Jim, but you sort of get lost in the shuffle, you know, having to go back. Sure. Yeah, right. So I like what you did, Larry. Yeah, yeah. So in the way that we have designed this book, we actually present, you know, those. Isn't Dave a pleasure to work with? Yes, he is. Yes, he is. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's one of the two persons I've known in my life with the best disposition, the other being David, you're romantic. Yeah, yeah. And you know, like I said, you know, the, you don't have to go back and look at appendices, you know, and chase down the actual sources, you know, and this approach, like I said, allows one to fully appreciate the site of research as frame of mind as it pertains to the presentation it had, you know, and this is the cover. And I just wanted to briefly, you know, go over the table of content. We did. We would do it, do it. Yeah. And again, you know, I want to thank Jim, you know, for, you know, arranging, you know, this in a cohesive manner because, you know, once he looked at, you know, all the chapters and everything that he said to me. Yeah, it's my glory to Rivera is, is that, is coming back and clean up, you know, when you come in and you clean up the plates, you know, the way I look at it. I like it, I like it. Rita, ever since Dallas, you know, back in, and Dallas last November, a lot of people were asking, you know, for this. And, and, you know, like I said, it's been a long time coming and finally it's here and, and I'm very happy to say, you know, we start with the first section. The first part of the book is actually about the Alton's photographs, you know, we go right into the meeting potatoes, you know, of the issue, all right. And then we did a word, or a couple of chapters in the Alton's photographic timeline, the Daegers' Chal's Stable Connection. Then we actually dedicate nine chapters. I was counting this, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, nine chapters to the Man in the Door with Jim, with, yeah, wonderful. Yeah, no. Anybody? I was just thinking, Larry, when I initially got into this in a serious way, I published like, probably nine different blogs about it, and was primarily with Ralph and others, even including Judith, and your work is just putting it together. I love it. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, and again, in a very cohesive manner, and then when we start to look at this, you know, from afar, then I say, wait a minute, we have something here, and then the framing of Lee, you know, where we have another five chapters, you know, dedicated to that, ending with the backyard photos, which I think is one of the most important chapters of the book, obviously. And then we go to the Lepaza, okay, and we take a look at our field work there. We're possibly, remember, we went in 2014, and we went down there, and we did everything, and took pictures there, and followed Roy Schafer's information, and everything, which I love, they're a minute of it, you know, because every time I take people down there, they start to look at, you know, the angles and everything, and say, wait a minute, you know, you're right about this, you know, because once you see the limo coming down the Elm Street, and the S curve and everything there, and you see how many seconds that limo was coming straight at that man, at that sniper from right under the triple underpass, they're at crime. Right. And then the locker that they were able to put to rifle. That's right, that's right. Yes, and you know, I wanted to mention that, there was a three of us who were there together, it was great. Yeah, yeah, and then a full researcher by the way, Gary, I had my arm in a swing. Yeah, I was waiting that again. Yeah, can we just do that? If anybody wants to see that, well, no, I'm sorry, it's not up yet. It's not up yet. No, it's just up. No, wait, next time. And check this out, a full researcher of ours, you know, who's on the board, he's on the board with Judy's conference, Ray Hale. He went over there and that box was open. And he wanted to pictures of it and he sent them to me. And at the 11th hour, I was able to add and add those pictures into the book. Perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect. It was open and it showed the exact dimensions where you could easily hide a rifle in there, you know, a high power, you know, you know, so. And then riding with the crowd, all you had to do is walk out and look. You started that out beautifully, Larry. And other people have followed this lead and say, and they've gone down there and say, hey, wait a minute, you know, and they've taken videos and they've sent them to me, you know, oh, man, you know, I've created a monster here, you know. It wasn't a lookout. Yeah, you could have had to look out at the end of the tunnel. Remember how dark it was? No, yeah. Larry, what's actually happening is that serious members of the research community are gravitating our way. And it's sorting out the wheat from the chaff. Those who ignore are not worth having any way because they aren't serious or they're working the other side of the street. Yeah, just. Yeah. Well, I'm just going to make an announcement that the Black Eye radio is going to entertain the fact that one of the frames in the Z-film could have possibly been altered. See, that's the kind of stuff, you know, you kidding me? How pathetic is that? How pathetic is that? I'm going to tell you right now. Everything in this book, they completely stare clear of and most shows do. Yeah, and obviously the most exquisite chapters in my mind of this book are, you know, the Queen, Queen Hakadi and the Jeff K. Horseman, which are Beverly Brunson, you know, the star, you know. Beverly Brunson, we've been talking to her for years, Gary, you know. You've just done such a sensational job with this book, Larry. My hat is off to you, my friends. And the Jeff K. Horseman, which of course, you know, thanks to Tyler Nuke, you know, he's a one that brought it all together, you know, because the information that we obtain from the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the fathers recording. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's irrefutable, you know, even, you know, even Douglas Horn, you know, a utilize, you know, that information, he said, wait a minute, this is, this is irrefutable here. You're talking about people who are there, okay? The motorcycle cops and they're giving you their, that exactly their experiences, you know, from what they, they, what happened that day? And we're talking about hardest, chaining, Jackson, Jackson, you know, Jackson said, you know, the Z film has been all cut up. You know, you know, you know, I'm going to ask you this. The point on which I have been challenged in, in reconstructing these issues is the amount of time of the limo stop. My estimate is, you know, it, it's hard for me to see how it could have been less than 20 seconds. Do you believe it? Of course. And less than 20 seconds. Yeah. I used to, I used to think that was ridiculous, but not anymore. And then you've got the issue of James Shady, you know, he says, hard just ran in between the two limo. Right. I know. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Excuse me. Jackson says five, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I'm at the limo. I love it. You know, like, you know, this is when Clint Hill rushes up to the limo. That's how he was able to catch up to it. It wasn't even moving. Yeah. Right. Right. And then, you know, all of a sudden, you know, this thing was crawling up along Elm Street. We could put our boots on the ground. You know, our motorcycles were tipping over, you know, I mean, what else do you need? You know, yeah, yeah, that car was using that. And do you know that Gary and I did this show what, okay, what three years ago, remember the first 50, also, but the last time that David didn't have a conference in 2014, the one that I attended, that's when Doug Horn gave his final presentation. Right. And he mentioned that. Yeah. And he mentioned, yeah, he mentioned Davis Ellis, you know, where he talked about the little kid picking up the piece of skull, you know, over there on the South curb of the and the infield and we all know from the process of elimination that it had to have been enjoyed. Bram Charles Bram's son and the Secret Service man snatched it away from his hands and threw it into the limo, you know, how, you know, this and Larry, this had to have been the Harper fragment that they brought back. Of course, which later on we see and frame 374 that you discovered and in 343, you know, which I discovered, you know, which are wow, you know, it's like, yeah. Of course, the fragment was way up the street where it had shot, had to come from the sniper's nest, right? Well, you know, what, you know, what the way that it plays out is this fragment was repositioned the next day so that Billy Harper could find it. Right. Okay. Because you'll have to be thought to be supportive of a shot from behind. That's right. Because they place it forward. Right. That's right. Yeah. And, and, you know, you're going to tell me on Friday, they scour the entire crime scene CS. Right. You wouldn't find a huge chunk of skull like that. Exactly. Exactly. They were finding bullets in the grass. And then the next day at five o'clock, we're talking about more than 20, almost 30 hours after the assassination. Oh, here's a big, I mean, two and a half. Yes. Yes. What I found. Yeah. Right. Right. And, you know, I don't believe anything about James files. You know, he's not even relevant, you know, in this case, he's wanting to make sure. So let's go on. I think this thing about blue, you know, is extremely relevant. It is. It's fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. This is something that's new. Okay. Everybody wants to talk about, you know, and five years from now, they'll mention it on Black O'Bradio. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. We've got the document this time. We'll put to them, you know, you know, just embarrassing. Those guys have turned up to me. Drs. Media Aquarides, but counter, counterproductive. They're really suppressing research. They're trying to drive us back to before, before all of our stone print God's sake. Well, I think that the significance of this is what I talked about in Washington, you know, at the conference is that we have a puzzle, all right? And books that have been published before have posited their thesis based on certain pieces of the puzzle, Jim, all right? So, now we have what, what, what, remember, I said 39,000 new documents and some of these PDFs are like up to five pages, you know, so we're talking about maybe about a quarter of a million pages of new documents. Right. You have to go through page by page because they're not sure, right? So, you made that point very nicely, how they deliberately made it extremely difficult and time consuming to actually assess. That's right. That's right. So, and anybody, you know, who wants to follow, you know, this research, all they have to do is go to the website, so the National Archives and go and download the files, you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not putting you on about any of this. So, you're telling us Larry, that nobody's coming to you in the middle of the night with a trench coat on and handing you files? No, of course not. Of course not. Of course not. So, so, so, so, what, and we're just scratching the surface guys, you know, I've been talking about. Yeah, there may be some, I mean, as this illustrates, there's some really good stuff in these documents. That's right. So, I think we did the stuff about the, the northwards, you know, and, and, oh yeah, you, you know, a couple of boatloads of kids. Landsdale, landstale and stuff like that, you know, they want to, yeah, you know, and those are brand new documents that we're, that we're talking about here. Now here, we're talking about something that happened during the HSEA where Robert Blakey and all of his, you know, minions, okay, for lack of a better word. And I don't think there was much minions because these guys had a mind of their own. These guys really wanted to get to the truth. Blakey, of course, was a mob guy. He never had a serious disposition to find out who really did it. Well, well, not only that, Jim, I think that he was just going through the motions. We know that. Yeah. But, but this, the information here really puts him on the spot because his underlings you know, people that were working for him really were pissed off about what was going on, you know, when, when, when over there, rightfully the files and everything. And we're going to talk about this here tonight because I did. Right. But Larry, you put your finger on it. It was just to disrupt the train of custody. Though he may have substituted some photographs for others if they actually had authentic autopsy photographs. Well, well, we don't, we'll never, we're never going to know. That's the point. That's the point of all this, you know, what if those photographs were the real deal and then the loot went in there and, you know, and did the split. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, no. Regardless, regardless, you know, we, we know that these, these shenanigans are going on here are something that even the Washington Post, as we're seeing here, thought it was important enough, but, you know, what they don't report until a, a year later. This happens in June of 1978 and, and they don't start reporting on it. So 1979. You know, Larry, reading, just reading this, George Gardner, I believe actually was CIA, but they're absolutely. I think, I mean, thank you for mentioning it because you're going to see that there is a passage in one of these, one of these articles where it makes it so obvious that he was CIA. All right. When you start to read it, it starts to read as though it's authentic and actually try to get it the truth. And, you know, and like he's got real, like he's got the inside information, Jim. Right, right, right. Because he's connected. Yeah, of course. It's sources. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, there was a project here called MH child, okay, that we're going to, we're going to talk about, and this is something that, if you go to Maryfairone.org, which is supposed to be, you know, the level one source of information on JFK and the Krippin Ames on, you know, all the CIA operations or whatever, you're not going to find anything on MH child. MH child was what we would call a babysitting operation where you could have a CIA agent in it's a many investigation congressional or otherwise, where they would have, and this is exactly what happened with George, Joanneedies. Okay. This is exactly the same situation where they, you know, if there's a Joanneedies file, and what's been released, I'm suspecting. No, no, no, no, no, see, that's the deepest, darkest secret. Yeah, they're only those. Yeah, those, those progress reports of October, November, and the December, you're never going to see the light of day. Never, never, never, never, never. Okay, so, you know, but this is the same, analogous, this is the same situation here, you know, where you have a babysitter that is there for Congressional, maybe the church you know, had the same church committee, all right, might have had somebody there, you know, from the CIA, you know, looking at and supervising, you know, what was being released and everything. And in the age of the HSCA, obviously. And just to give you a little bit of background, when Richard Spray, the first Richard Spray who was the first head counsel. And it was a good man, which is why they got rid of him. Exactly. And because they was treated as a homicide, as Modi means an opportunity. And not only that, Jim, he said that he wanted to have power of subpoena to anybody and any document. Right. He wanted to solve the case. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. And when they said, no, you know, he said, well, okay, I'm out of here. And that's when they went to Tannenbaum, and then after Tannenbaum, they went to Plaky, you know, and on and on. But, you know, and first, the Washington Post, obviously, you know, reported on this. And I want to see where I have the mouse pointer here. Yeah, sure. Yeah, this is what I want to focus on. Okay, it says, the assignment it has since been learned was made under a CIA program called Code named. Code named. Yeah, code named. Uh, M.H. child, which source, which sources describe as encompassing a variety of so-called babysitting chores. All right. Now, you know, what, you know, what that means is that you've got a supervisor there who's going to report back, you know, to. In big co-owner. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know if you guys want to, you know, read through these, you know, but Lordner, obviously, and, and, and, and, and, you know, the thing that I wanted to focus on here, uh, when Lordner writes this, okay, he's talking about which sources describe. Okay. As, uh, so what this means is that he's got the connections, you know, inside of the CIA. Right. As far as, you know, what this whole M.H. child, I mean, let me tell you. And, and this M.H. child operation, you will not find anything on, on the internet or it, uh, Mary Farrell, this is something this is, this is brand new. And, and apparently, and this is why I, you know, when I'm talking about, you know, the, uh, different pieces to the puzzle. So some of these pieces have already gone by, but now when you, when you look at these new, uh, documents, you have to go back and you look, and, and I got these from Wysburg site. And, you know, Wysburg at the time, they didn't even know what the hell this is all about. You know, but now that we have this, which we're going to present now, now it brings the entire, uh, situation into focus where he said, oh, wait a minute, you know, now I know what this is what, what this is, what's all about, you know, so that's, that's the importance of what, and what I was talking about in Washington, you know, where you have to, you know, I, I love the books by John Newman, you know, the CIA, uh, Vietnam and everything, you know, but he was limited to certain amount of documents. Now, when you have all these different, more, a lot of more documents available, you have to rethink this whole situation. And, and like I said, you know, some of these books need to be, uh, rewritten, you know, or reconfigured in a way, you know, I don't know because, uh, you're talking about, you know, new information here that, uh, it's giving you more and more information, new pieces of the puzzle. Anyway, um, we were talking about, you know, how somebody went and rifled through, uh, the JFK files, you know, and they found out that it was just a regist look. Yeah. Go back to the first part, Gary and I'll read a couple paragraphs here. It says, see, CIA office or Blahoot this sort of said went into a room where he wasn't as supposed to be without one of our officers being present. There the source said he opened the safe and pulled out a drawer. He took a ring binder notebook out of the drawer. He ripped a plastic case out of the notebook and he took a picture out of the plastic case. He fled when he heard a noise and then he lied about it. Wow. And I am I right down, I'm good there. Of course. Yeah. Well, you know, again, you know, this is like Cloak and Vanger here. You know, what was this guy doing there? First of all, why would Blakey even allow this guy there? No. That's the question to get into the first place. Yeah, but who saw him do this? You know, and then, you know, and he talked about a year later, you know, and, uh, you know, wait a minute, you know, what was in those files, you know, these, these were safes. They were very much under control. All right. And so this was deemed insignificant. And you're talking about the autopsy photographs of JFK. Integnificant. I mean, this is no, you know, this is no scroll a little further. You're going to read a little more. But I just would like you, sources said he'd always been paranoid about the possibility that some of the gruesome Kennedy, ossobsy photos might get out and destroy the committee's reputation. No one who has seen those photos would have any doubt that they should not be made public when source said the one thing that would have done us, the House assassination committee in would have been for those photos to be publicly released. We were never satisfied that someone else wasn't involved. Now, stop and think about that because the photos they released showed a completely clean back in the head and there's not gruesome about them at all. So they have to be talking about the photographs they actually did release. Thank you. Thank you. That's why I come down here, Jim, and give you exactly what you're talking about. Let me come down. Yeah. What's your answer to them about that? Actually, the eye to Doc's drawing. But I mean, what's gruesome about that? That's like he had a barber shop. Yeah. So exactly. Exactly. So, you know, that's a great observation. I think that's the most important thing here. The discussion, you know, when this discussion is because, you know, now you're talking about that these will saw, you know, photographs that are not, you know, that one that we just showed. And the fact that the matter is nothing is better that should be put in the public domain than the autopsy photographs. They ought to be all out there at the top of the list. Yeah. And I think that's a great observation. I think that's the crux of the matter here, you know, because now we're talking about wait a minute, these people saw something different. Right. Right. Right. Right. They can't possibly be talking about what they actually released and Blakey has to know it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's just sunny, very in and of itself. That's just unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I think this is why, you know, this blohoot thing, you know, that, you know, obviously it's gone over the head of, you know, so many super researchers in the JFK community. You know, I'm not going to mention, you know, what, what, what can they be talking about? Though what photographs did they actually see? They, not the grown, because we know those are fake. Yeah. It's not the grown photographs. So did they have any real photographs? If they were so shocked and appalled at, you know, the photographs that were in that safe, right? And we're talking about a whole different ball game here, you know, I think maybe we are Larry. I think maybe we are. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, as I was saying, the blohoot thing, I just want to go to this guy's side because I believe he's been a member now of the OIC. I forget his name and if, you know, I apologize because Ralph knows his name. And he published a lot of information here on some of the memos that were available, you know, back before. And it was identical to the first one we started at very much like the part of the Washington post. Yeah. So he had, he had some information, but then again, you know, like I was saying, now you're filling out more pieces of the puzzle. So you're able to, you know, see the whole thing and in a better perspective. And so going back, we're just another guy, Anthony Frank, you know, Jim, I know, I know this is a place where you have, you're have, you've had many back. And you've had a lot of battles. Okay. Many battles have passed. A lot of good people are there, but a whole lot of not some good people and a lot of real disinfo ops as well. And that's why I wanted to put this one up here because, you know, somebody's salient me about the authenticity of the film and you know, stuff. I mean, it's just outrageous. Really, I present the proof and then they just attack me again and again and again. Well, you know, this one, you know, obviously everybody's talking, we're talking about the education forum and the sky by the name of Anthony Frank and he posted a very nice post here on the hoot. All right. And guess what? No comments. Nobody. It was talking about 2004, you know, and nobody. I mean, you know, all the great minds are, you know, they populate that forum, you know, and nobody even put that phrase in expression. And quotes great minds. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody even dared to go near this. You know, what's going on? You know, this is, I think this is one of the most important events, you know, in the HSCA. Yeah. Of course. The pivotal event apart from changing from sprig and it's all us to. Yeah. And nobody. And nobody. And nobody even gives this guy a play here at Jim. I think, I mean, if you're, or me or Gary, whatever, we post. We would have been all over this. Yeah. So anyway, I thought this was very interesting, you know, it is. It is. It is. Well, we're going to Miss Memo, okay, Robert Morrison, which was Director of Security for the HSCA here. And he says, oh, wait a minute. You know, our safe has been broken into, you know, in the world detecting. Don't you imagine he or the assistant director security facilitated it? Oh, wow. That's. I don't think so because this guy, you know, you know, the memo here is very specific and it's very. He's really pissed off. Yeah. And not only him, but, you know, his, his assistance and everything, you know, and if you go through this whole memo and you see that some of this has been redacted. Right. And, you know, at the end here, you know, I just want to go here to this. Well, you tell me they didn't have any copies of these photographs so they'd know what the hell had been taken or not taken or substituted or not. Amazingly enough. That's just incompetence. Yeah. Wow. There had to be the originals of the national archives are crying out loud. They didn't only exist here. They should have gone back to the archives and got replacements. Yeah. Well, they were, they were not there with no redundancy built in here. Obviously, you know, no, no, but Larry. No, no, look, the national archives wouldn't give up the original. Even to the HSC, they would only give them copies. Therefore, if they lost some of their copies, they should have gone back to the, they had to know an exact inventory of what they were given by the archive. Well, there's another argument, you know, for a cover up here, you know, because, you know, where, where they have are the originals, you know, right? Well, they're still the national archives. So then, you know, Mark and Lance feel there is no way this could have been done accidentally. Someone had to go and choose it. Right. No way. 100% no way it was an accident. Yeah, because, and then the sky, you know, and as we're going to see here, you're going to go with all kinds of polygraphs and everything, you know, and then they go and ask him, you know, did you or you following orders, you know, was this coming from above, you know, and he gets completely thrown under the bus. Right. They completely released him, you know, into space here, so to speak, and, and hey, you know, and then, you know, when, when, when, when, when, stokes, we're going to see this in a minute here because I think this is very interesting what we're going to present here. And it appears from the content of these new documents that the HSC staffers were pretty pissed off about the actions of Regis Buhoo. I wanted to pursue this case. He should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I mean, he committed a clear security breach. He was prosecutable, Larry. Of course. And then I think this is the most important document of this whole set here because we're talking about head of the CIA, when, when you look at Richard Hounds, you know, and, and what was the Colby? These guys only answered to congressional committees, Jim. You know, these guys just did not talk to, you know, committee councils and stuff like that. You know what I mean? Right. And that's, and that's the point of this whole exercise here, you know, and there's, there's a, a stencil, a stencil, a stencil, a term admiral outside contact report, which comes out. This incident was considered by HSCH Airman Lewis Stokes to be of sufficient importance that he should send HSCH Chief Council Robert Blakey to meet in person with CIA director Admiral Stanfield Turner. This was unprecedented. DCI's never met with committee underlings. In Turner made sure his top lieutenant's red hits of DDCI, Carlucci, were present for this meeting. Here's the outside contact report that summarizes the meeting. Yeah. While Blakey and I met with DDCI Turner, D, D, D, Deputy Director, Carlucci, and Fred Hitz of the Office of Legislative Council at 80, I'm in Turner's office. Blakey initially noted that he'd come and termed Stokes request to discuss with Turner a recent security violation which had been discovered by the committee. Blakey began by describing the Turner of the Nature of the Kennedy Oftopsy Pictures, the restrictions under which the committee had acquired and possessed them. The security precautions, separate safe limited access and log record utilize the safe guard them and the possible motives that might exist for someone unlawfully removing them from the committee. Blakey and X described the circumstances and details of the committee's discovery made on 623-78 that the autopsy photos have been tampered with and the investigation which the staff thereafter conducted, including the identification of all of those persons who had access to the security space where they were located, the fingerprinting process and results, and ultimately the questioning of Regis Blahehood, the DDCI of Boyle was in the security space on that date. And Blaheud lied about significant details. Right, right, right, right. Finally Blakey recalled that Turner, his Turner statement to Blakey in Cornwell on February 4, 1978 in the effect that the committee found any imbrew priority or wrongdoing on the part of any C-A-A-I-M-B-E. He would personally look into it and get to the bottom of it. This is an obvious case. I'm assuming they're by. But Blakey stated that the chairman had been told of Turner's comment on February 4, 1978, now requested that Turner conduct a further investigation of Blaheud, manner. Blakey stated that the committee felt such an investigation was necessary for the following reason. One, the committee had spoken to Blaheud on three occasions July 11, 13 and 14 about his knowledge of the tampering with the autopsy photos, on two of which by Bahu's own subsequent admissions he had lied about significant details. And on the last of which by independent evident, Blaheud and also lied to Blaheud's actions were deliberate as evidence by the fact that Blaheud had opened the committee safe in which the photos were stored and on the first two interviews with the committee he lied about having done so. Three. Excuse me and Blaheud at the top of the hood lied after consulting and speaking with his supporters at the agency, Jim. Go ahead number three. Three, there's only one possible innocent moody from Blaheud's handling and viewing to the autopsy photos that being personal curiosity and the evidence unequivocally shows that personal curiosity was not moody. A page was ripped out. The photo was removed from the plastic sheety. The long shows the photo book in question had not been removed from the safe by the committee staff since September 1977. And Blaheud's story about his handling of an access to the photo book on June 23, 1970 is patently unbelievable and most significantly for prior to at least two of the three occasions on what Blaheud was interviewed by the committee staff. He spoke to his superiors at the agency and after each of those conversations, he told lies to the committee about his involvement evidently of their behest. Turner said that he had already looked into the matter and handed us a report which had been written. Turner suggested Blakey and Cornwell go read the report, not take a copy with them from the building. It also looked at Blaheud's personal personnel file. I wanted to just focus here because the stuff here that is in bold space here at the top just summarizing, Blaheud was polygraphed three times by the agency. Blaheud's supervisors have been spoken to and denied any involvement. It means that Blaheud gets thrown under the bus. Blaheud admits lying to the committee. How brazen he's been caught and he's still lying about it. Yeah, Blaheud fails a polygraph. Blaheud was assigned and I wanted to spend a little time on this, assigned to a project called M.H. child which was in operation in place in 1977. According to the Washington Post, Washington Post article above, we talked about this in a larger report. The assignment since been learned was made under a CIA program codename M.H. child which sources describe as encompassing a variety of babysitter chores. Now, if you go to Mary Farrell, you go to anywhere on the internet, you will not find a single mention of M.H. child. Yeah, it's pretty damn interesting, Larry, that they don't even have any sites to it. Exactly, not a single mention anywhere on the internet. So it just sort of gives you an idea of how hush hush this M.H. child. Now I wanted to remember, I talked about the Joinedies. This is probably exactly the same model that was followed with Joinedies when he also went and met with at Lopez in Hardaway, which is... But Larry, look at Blakey's completely corrupt role in this because they went forward and nevertheless published the autopsy photos they knew were not authentic as part of the formal report coming from the H.S.C.A. Yeah, I said, we're going to see more about Blakey in a minute here because he's a real whipping boy from the CIA here. Does this seem like behavior of innocent men? Of course not. This is corrupt, completely corrupt. Well, like I said, you're running into these documents and start to give you more pieces of the puzzle, Jim. That's right. Again, I have to say, and I've seen it so many times, you go to these releases and you know, these documents are redacted or there's nothing there. Bullshit. There is a lot to do. You have to study the documents. You have to put these pieces together and perspective with where they are supposed to be placed. Then, are you able to see the whole picture? Again, so many books have been written based on previous information and previous documents. I urge all these great minds and all these other authors to now reflect on how this new information can change a lot of their views and a lot of their information that they have presented in the book. This was their guide to sabotage the report of the H.S.C.A. There's no question about it. Oh, yeah. I think this is a very important thing. Back to the business saboteur. Yeah. Well, there's more. There's more. All right. Upon inspection, the report reflected the following A.D. agency interviewed Behoo'd on Friday evening, July 14th, and polygraphed him three times. For roughly two hours each time on Saturday, July 15th, B. Behoo'd supervisor had been spoken to and denied any involvement. Of course. Of course. What do you think they're going to do? We better. We better polygraph them, too. Well, that's right. Behoo'd admitted lying to the committee. D. Mayhoot basically told the same story to the polygraph effort. Tulipo, he had finally told the committee on the morning of July 14th, except that on July 15th, he admitted that he was never given permission by any committee staff member to view the Kennedy autopsy picture. E. Mayhoot persisted in his story, but lied and doing so according to the polygraph that he had opened the committee safe only once. And that was a photo book into the safe. And also again, untruthfully, stated that he had only viewed the autopsy books at two occasions. It was a stunning, Jim. They were stunning. Yeah. Those guys repeatedly lied. I mean, it's obviously TV's planned intentional deliverance. This is a blind to deceive his audience. This is stunning information here. I don't know. Behoo'd admitted assigned to a CIA operation, codenamed M.H. child since April, 1970. And that was some kind of document supervision overseen program, obviously. Yeah, of course, of course, of course. And then check this out. The most important passage here is what? Redacted. Yeah. Office of security chief Gambino and Carlucci's assistant, Ham Smith met with Blakey and Cornwell after they. You think this Gambino with Ken with the Chicago Gambino? The mafia mobster. Yeah. Anyway, stacking the deck, here we find out that 99, we're going to see a little bit further down. The CIA is going to produce a report. If they're going to say, Jim, very obviously, very predictably, 99% sure that the final report would show no involvement in the tampering of the part on the part of the agency. How are you? How are you? Nicholas, can you get what bullshit? I mean, Larry, it's just shocking how blatant they are. They're abused. Yeah, we're going to tamper just enough to make sure that no tampering is evident. Well, 99% sure final report, which no involvement in the tampering on the part of the agency. How could they have that confidence? The personnel from Mayhuts reflected in the bladehood and consistently walked. We know we're clean by a pig in a poke. Something as true value is concealed or unknown, especially something offered for sale. Blakey sheeplessly stayed in full interviews of all bladehood supervisors should be conducted and written reports made in addition. Blakey stayed in that new polygraph should be taken. Yeah, all right. I can have. Yeah. I just reviewed the investigative report provided by turning Blakey request he'd be permitted to see bladehood security file. Gambino refused. Refused to give him this security file. But offer the personnel file. The personnel file reflected in the bladehood and consistently obliterated. I told you this one was nasty. I thought he spent the good. Bino asked Blakey what he felt the agency should do now. Blakey said that full interview of all of Blakey of bladehood supervisors, which would have gone up to Admiral's. Stats for Turner. Statsville Turner should be conducted. And don't stay standing up. You know, right. In addition, Blakey stayed that new polygraph should be taken focus. He primarily on the area. He was essentially omitted, namely the question of mode here. Smith asked whether the committee was going to accept the agency's investigation after it was completed. He said he wanted to know now that he wanted a commitment. Smith said he was 99% of the final. Sure the final report would show no involvement on the tabring on the part of the agency. Gambino said we know where Coney. How ridiculous. I'm going to park. Yeah. In reply, I asked how the agency could be so sure at this early point that none of their employees except bladehood were involved. And also commented that Smith was asking the committee to buy a pig and a Pope suggesting that we should tell him now whether or not we would be satisfied with the agency's investigation. Oh, Ridiculous is that. Before it was even contacted. That's are we going to give you permission to lie your head off? Larry, this is Justin salty. It's insane. This is it. So I thought Statsville Turner was a good guy. I no longer believe that. This is the behavior of innocent man. This is the way you act. And look at the here right there at the bottom there in long hand. Bladehood said we accused him of being a CIA plan. What else was he? You know, if not a CIA plan. Well, of course he wise. He was a safe keeper. He was a babysitter. He was making sure they didn't go where they shouldn't go. Which is exactly what Joanneedys was. You know, I think this is something that those people at JFK facts or morally and those people need to be looking at this, you know, as a guideline of how this thing works, you know, because this is as opposed to a revelation of that babysitting function you're ever going to get. Right. It's a parallel, Jim. It's exactly the same thing. You know, we should tell him now whether or not we'd be satisfied with the agency's investigation before it was even conducted both. What we could state now was that we'd come to the agency with a suggestion that they investigated because we felt that from among the alternatives now available to committee, that was the one with the best chance of success. Finally, Mike, he also noted his hope was that after the agency's investigation was complete copies of the reports could be placed in the agencies and the committee's files, and that would be the end of it. It was terminated with the general understanding. Blakey's suggestion would be followed. And the agency would let us know when they had their reports complete, their fully cover-up reports. And Blakey goes, oh, this is on the CIA. It's just so outrageous. I mean, this is their arrogant shining through. Yeah. I told you this was going to be a winner, Jim. This is a doozy. This is a doozy. You know, you need to publish this one over there on your... This is an effing doozy. And what were Blakey's recommendations following? Were they followed? You know, the Lewis Stokes follow up on you to make sure that everything that Blakey recommended, you know, of course not. You know, hey, you think you're going to go and polygraph, you know, sensible? The skies should have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law and worked the way up the food chain. And guess what? You don't know about any of this until now. That's right. Everybody's dead. So, you know, 2017, you know, Jesus Christ, you know. But you know, damn well that Blakey knew what they were publishing to the CIA report was horse shit. Of course. Blakey just was, you know, obviously he went through the motions, okay? I think because of Lewis Stokes, I think Lewis Stokes might have been, you know, a little bit more persistent. Had he been a little bit more persistent, but, you know, Ben, where you going up against, you know, this model, you know, like what the CIA is, you know, then... Well, you know, I'd always understood that Turner had gotten rid of some 1500 corrupt CIA agents. I now believe he was one of them. Especially. Now, after reading this, huh? Yes. Yes. This is a very persuasive document. Yeah. I think, yeah, and it's an outside contact report. It is, it let me go up here to the top to give you. See where it says this was a meeting in person. Yeah. Okay. So, we're not talking about a telephone conversation here. You know, we're talking about meeting up real people. Yeah. Right. So, you know, I think this is a very, very, extremely important document. Oh, absolutely. You're so right to have figured it. This is crucial. Yeah, very crucial. And we're talking about, you know, this. That's not even, that's a drawing. That's not even... No, I know it is. I know it is. I put it there on purpose. I know it's the item. Yeah. But just to give you what we meant. We do have the corresponding photograph, which obviously is a fabrication. Of course. Of course, the man insert and everything. And I really wanted to document it to, you know, look at this. I think he's done so, so much incredible work. Oh, we got to send him this. I'll send him this, I'll send him this, Larry. Yeah. And because I think he needs to know about this. Yeah. Of course. Because not only his book, you know, is so important, you know, the latest book that he wrote, but all the work that he's done over 30 years, you know, Jim. And this would probably give him, you know, more information. Like I said, I have to keep talking about pieces to the puzzle, you know. And yeah, yeah, yeah. So you'll appreciate this so much. Yeah. Yeah. Because it gives him, you know, a better understanding of, you know, what he was up against, you know, because Emancip has been born, you know, with what little information, you know, he's been allowed to get the team. All right. Now, you know, we're looking at a whole different perspective here on how well hooch, percent, okay, to obfuscate, obviously. And we don't know. And like, you know, you just mentioned that, you know, wait a minute. There were, these people were talking about that, these gruesome photographs, you know, and that's not what we see in the archives. We're looking at this, you know, we're looking at this. We're not looking at that. That was a drawing. I did not know that. Yeah. Of course, I'm on photographs. I put them both up when I do my presentation. I think the observation that Jim made earlier was just incredibly, you know, spot on, you know, or wait a minute, you know, we're talking about this, these are not gruesome photographs, but what they're talking about up here are very gruesome photographs. Right. So photographs are they talking about? Exactly. Exactly. Do they have real autopsy photographs, which we have never seen? Exactly. So when we're talking about flipping, you know, the switch here, you know, and bluehooves involvement here, then wait a minute, you know, there might be something here. I think there really is Jim. That's very interesting, Larry, in all kinds of ways. Thank you, Jim. At these documents, I believe last week was just a blueprint of false flags that we see going on to this very minute. Yeah. Well, you know, this is the mother of false flags. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just need a thing today with Carrie Cassidy and Oli Domagard and I made a presentation about how to sort out false flags. And we use about a dozen different examples. You guys might enjoy it. It's up already. I'm sure it project Camelot just today from three to five thirty. Well, you know, we need to know that we're blacklisted on YouTube. You know, find out these alternative means of getting information out. Well, Carrie's already being resourceful with 153news.net. Yeah, right. Right. That's what I mean. Yeah, that's what we're up against right now. We're on 153 news and it seems that Gus, that's Chambers, been doing a great job of getting the videos up. And now we have to go back to the concept of revenue that comes in from advertisers. And that's very no longer living in a free society. We're now in a Stalinist era where the government is suppressing the people's right to express their opinion and to share their research. It's a disgraceful situation in which we find ourselves. I was watching the movie 1984 with James Wood. Don't hurt. I'm sorry. Don't hurt. And wow, you know, I was just. We're there. We're there. Larry. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. We are there. Yes. We've been censored in every way. I mean, 7,000 subscribers, 381 hour minimum videos with video presentation, slide shows, and everything. Just tell me something about what you've heard as feedback from the DC conference. Well, I actually haven't had time to talk to anybody. You know, a lot of times, you know, talk to people. Oh, oh, wait a minute. I did talk to Craig, the attorney from Washington. He sent me a really nice email. And I was very, very happy to receive that because he saw my presentation. He met my father and everything. And he, I think because obviously, the one presentation that was presenting new documents was mine. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of the other presentations were just, you know, developing, you know, other information and other thesis. That was already known. Yeah. Yeah. And that, I think that's the, I think that we need to look at, you know, going forward, new information. And it's there. Like I said, it's, it's, you have to go there and look at it. Tell me about your dad's assessment of the whole thing. He's a sharp good. Yeah, he loved it. He loved it. He was there every day, every minute, you know, every half hour, every hour, you know, and I was so proud because at the end, you know, when, when the presentation on Saturday, oh my God, what's his name? On the auto, no, no, on what happened, but there's, yeah, yeah. And he asked that one question on, on, on, wow, what's the name of the guy? Yeah. He got right here. He's a super good guy. He's a ligate. John Ligate. John Ligate. Yeah. That's a question about Ligate. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Casey Quinn. Casey Quinn, yeah. On John Ligate, you know, and Casey was taking him back, you know, he said, oh, wait a minute, you know, about John Ligate, you know, I was going to talk about him, but now that you're mentioning him, you know, I don't care. Larry, I wrote on my program that we ought to have Casey on this show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Casey, let's get it going. And we also have to have the fellow from the Paul Bears. Yeah, Brian Edwards. No, no, no, not Brian Edwards. Oh, my God. Well, Larry. The Hubert Clark. Hubert, Hubert, Hubert, Hubert, Hubert. I get you Hubert Clark. I've got so much stuff in my, you know, I like that guy so much. I know, yeah, and he's such a great guy. And he asked me, I told him, look, I would do be willing to come on the show and I've been meeting to call him. And like to the shows right there. Well, we ought to have him and Casey. You know what he said to me, he said to me, Larry, anything for you. Nice. I like it. I like it. I like it. I was actually interested to whether you picked up anything about it. I haven't heard it. Gary, Gary, Gary. Yeah, I haven't heard anything. But what I would like to do is find out from David didn't win the DVDs going to come out. And the last time they had a show, we probably did four or five shows out of that one DVD. So I've already asked, you know, to find out when it's going to be ready. And the right person to ask is Laurie and Trent. And so I asked her, yeah, yeah, Laurie. What was your overall assessment of the conference, Larry? I thought it was, you know, it was very, very good. You know, I was. I was very interested in what Richard Bartholomew had to say, Casey Quimman. He's a good guy that Richard Bartholomew. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. And he's got a book coming forth now. He's got a book that's to be published at Schwartz and in Judy, of course. And, you know, I might just wanted to say like at Tatre was a little bit. He had a lot of interventions there. Obviously, you know, he was in control of a lot of the situations there with his speakers. But we're not going to get into that. But that's why too we can play the DVD. Yeah, David Denton, of course, he's a master. You know, what Laurie and told me, some people leave and contacted her and said they heard that. That Ed and I got into Fisticuffs. And not even close that we were actually duken it out. Not even close, not even close. Not physically. That's better. Yeah, I liked listening to the guy that you said earlier with Quillen. You bet. No, no, no, with Quillen. Brian Edwards. Yeah, Brian, Brian, Brian. We went mad and we hung out together for a while. And he gave him a copy of a lot of my research. I give him copy of the Jeff G. Horseman, the recording, the actual report. Yes. Which he wanted. Yeah. And Jim, you know, I will share my research with anybody. Yeah. I'm not, you know, I'm not like, uh, grow it in. I'm the same way as you, Larry. And we don't go on any show. Any show they invite me? I don't care about its orientation. Left, right, middle, religious, non-religious, whatever. We'll do them all. I don't make any money on this, you know, and so, you know, and if somebody comes over to me and says, look, I'd like to have copies of this. Hey, here's my computer. Give me a pen. Yeah. I'll give you everything. You know, so, I mean, what's the deal? You know, I'm not trying to, you know, hog, you know, and hoard anything, you know, right? Like, these are other people with dog. You're satisfied with just the fact that you're a top researcher on the planet earth. There's no doubt about it. Looks like as the days of our lives, so is the sand, through the hourglass. We just want the book to start sewing. That's all. There we go. Right away. All right, JFK177, appreciate it, Jim Fetzer, Larry Vera. My name's Gary King. We'll see you next week. 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